Re: Nesting/Breakdown Tenders

> SBJ#63 (11/98) Has a little article by Paul & Marya Butler on how

to saw any

> favorite little boat in half and put it back together again with

bolts.

Dear Group,
I was intrigued by this reference to an article in Small Boat
Journal, and I recently came across the issue on a website maintained
by Chris Councill; I inquired about the particular piece via email,
and he was kind enough to post it alongside several other SBJ
articles.
Here's the link:
http://www.widgetsailor.com/sbjournal/dingy/dingy1.html

Best regards,
Phil McNamara

BO>I wonder what the possibilities are for something similar but smaller than P
BO>Double Brick w/ Mortar.

Briefly tThought of doing this with two Shoeboxes, but was put off at
the thought of high-rise shoeboxes on an already block-of-flats boat
profile, not to mention having to sail on one tack because of lack of
clearance under the boom. Nope, got to be small enough to sit entire,
or nesting, or give up and tow it....

Tim & Lady Kate

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I put twobits.jpg in the bolger vault.
David Beede

KF4call@...wrote:

> In a message dated 00-04-07 07:08:25 EDT, you write:
>
> << Warren,
> I'd be glad to scan and post it.
> David Beede
> 115 Cygnet Lane
> Melrose, FL 32666 >>
>
>
> David,
> I'll send it out this AM. I could also fax it if you have a fax number.
> Regards, Warren
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Warren,
I'd be glad to scan and post it.
David Beede
115 Cygnet Lane
Melrose, FL 32666

David

KF4call@...wrote:

> In a message dated 00-04-06 13:10:35 EDT, you write:
>
> << Warren,
> Do you have a line drawing with you plans of "Two Bits!" It would be
> interesting to see it.
> >>
> I'll be happy to send a copy to someone to scan in. Regards, Warren
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Foster,
I have built Danny Greene's Two Bits. I found it an excellent little tender,
about 9' (3 meters) overall by about 4' (1.25 meters) abeam and breaking down
to 5' x 4' (1.5 x 1.25 meters). It rowed well, could handle a chop, and sailed
respectably with three adults aboard. I do not know if this plan is still
available, but Mr. Greene is still designing and building nesting dingys, down
in the Virgin Islands, I think. I could track down his contact information if
interested. Sadly, the boat was kept on the banks of Otsego (Glimmerglass)
Lake, outside of Cooperstown, NY, and it disappeared several summers ago. I
have also built a nesting set of Bolger boats, a Shoe Box that fits inside of a
Tortoise. I made this possible by making the Tortoise 1" (2.5 cm.) wider than
designed and changing the deck configuration. The Shoe Box is to plan. While
this concept doesn't allow for the joining of the two boats, it does allow for
their storage in one 78" x 40" (1.95 meter by 1 meter) patch. I still have
these boats, and find them nice and stable, if a little tedious to row. The
nesting feature eliminates the mast step and bilge board box on the Tortoise,
but some other sailing configuration could be conceived rather easily, I think.
With a hull speed of under 3 kts., I doubt sailing would be the main purpose of
the vessel, anyway. I found the Shoe Box to be surprisingly heavy for such a
small boat. If I were to build another, I would probably make it out of 4 mm
plywood with a 6 mm bottom,
david

Foster Price wrote:

> Hello List
>
> I'm looking a building a new tender to my 23' yacht this (southern
> hemisphere) winter. The 7' 6" pram that currently serves is nice and light
> and fits (akwardly) on deck but these are it's only redeeming features.
>
> The local conditions don't really suit small tenders or inflatables, as my
> mooring is a long way "off" (about 300 yards) and its very exposed to the
> wind. Chop is usually small and isn't usually a big problem as theres not
> much of a fetch. I row by preference and through the poverty imposed by
> owning a yacht(!).
>
> Normally we tow the tender but sometimes sea conditions dictate that it
> needs to be on deck, likewise when we race ocassionally.
>
> Our three kids like to fish and often the best places are in close to the
> rocks/over reefs where I'm not keen to risk the mothership.
>
> I think these factors point to the need for a tender of about 10' - 12'.
> The BIG question is how to fit it on deck when required. Long experience
> with things that "cunningly convert" such as settees that convert to berths
> and the like have convinced me that it pays to do lots of study to get
> things simple.
>
> Some of the designs I know of in rough order of preference are:
>
> BandB's "Castaway 10"
> Dave Gerr's "Nestor"
> Bolger's BWOM nesting tender (enlarged)
> Jaques Merhterns Nesting Pram
>
> There are probably lots of others. I would appeciate hearing about other
> ideas for breakdown/nesting tenders, especially the system used to divide
> them eg cut athwartships like "Nestor" or cut lenghtwise like PCB's nesting
> pram. Also of interest is the system used to align the pieces and fasten
> them. My thoughts are that it might be best to figure out the best method
> of achieving the breakdown, then selecting and adapting an existing
> "conventional" design.
>
> Regards - Foster Price
> Southland, New Zealand
>
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See WB#99 (4/91) for Mike O'brian's design article on the subject. Included are:

Longsplice, Charles Strayer
J.P. Downs Memorial Bifurcating Dinghy, Kaufman Design
Chameleon, Danny Greene

The first two are too long for your boat, being about 16' assembled. But O'Brian
calls Greene, "The dean of nesting-dinghy designers." Chameleon is overall 10'4"
folding to 5'3" x 4'2". There is some discussion of fastening systems.

SBJ#63 (11/98) Has a little article by Paul & Marya Butler on how to saw any
favorite little boat in half and put it back together again with bolts.

I wonder what the possibilities are for something similar but smaller than PCB's
Double Brick w/ Mortar. If you remember, that just has some sort of little box
with the right shape to hold the hulls together. Part of the beauty there is
that you actually have 2 complete boats, which might be handy. For something 8'
or 10' long the fixture would be very small. You could just toss it into the
pile.

On the other hand, consider going deeper in debt for a larger boat. Then your
dinghy could be a genuine Folding Schooner. :-)