Re: [bolger] Re: Launch of Micro Navigator
> wondering how she would look when setteled down in the water...Of course, I have those pictures as a slideshow on my screensaver,
> Jason
and one thing I notice is that the wave/wake of the moving hull
raises the water at the stern transom, and that a shortshaft
motor would have been fine. [a longshaft has been mentioned by others].
I had planned on a tryout of the sails this coming weekend, but
I may cancel now that as the forecast is a big storm hitting California,
with up to 20 inches of rain and high winds. Not exactly optimal
'try out' conditions.
Another aggavation (I haven't written much about) is that I have
had a heck of a time tracking down leak(s?) ( in the topsides)
which lets in rainwater. After lots of head scratching I am finally
concluding it comes from almost invisible cracks, [only microns wide]
where the decks connect to the hull sides. I added epoxy/glass
tape strips, and *maybe* I finally fixed it. A good rain this weekend
should prove or disprove that. Another potential source of the leak(s)
might be that the built-up wooden cabin window stiles, have experienced
some moisture content related shrinking and cracking,
...not exactly sure... .
> It's about the most boat my little subaru can pull.I had a lot of uncertainty about towing. It is better than I
had feared. I am glad I spent the money and trouble to
upgrade (overrate) the load rating of the tires for peace of
mind.
Pulling the boat out and up the slippery ramp with my SUV was
a piece of cake.
Pay attention to the 'bunking' of the unorthodox Micro bottom
shape on the trailer, I found that a very tricky think to deal with.
I have a cross bunk located directly under the forward watertight
bullkhead, and two removeable struts with pegs fitting into the
aft well drain holes located just at the after watertight bulkhead.
I lift the boat using a farm jack at the boat ramp, to install
and remove the rear struts.
Bruce!-
Good job! This is the first time i've been in front of a computer in
3 weeks so i am just now drooling on those pictures. Looks good i was
wondering how she would look when setteled down in the water....not
as cabin heavy as i was thinking....a good thing. Also am stoked to
see rose is still floating high on her lines, after towing mine out
to the cabin for winter stowage i realized how hefty i had built her.
It's about the most boat my little subaru can pull. Hope to get her
launched first of May now when the ski season is over. Been cetoling
some backing plates for deck hardware and the likes, shaping the
rudder, yard and boom. One or two weeks of warm weather to paint the
inside and mount the back windows and i should be ready to roll.
Congradulations on a job well done.
Jason
Good job! This is the first time i've been in front of a computer in
3 weeks so i am just now drooling on those pictures. Looks good i was
wondering how she would look when setteled down in the water....not
as cabin heavy as i was thinking....a good thing. Also am stoked to
see rose is still floating high on her lines, after towing mine out
to the cabin for winter stowage i realized how hefty i had built her.
It's about the most boat my little subaru can pull. Hope to get her
launched first of May now when the ski season is over. Been cetoling
some backing plates for deck hardware and the likes, shaping the
rudder, yard and boom. One or two weeks of warm weather to paint the
inside and mount the back windows and i should be ready to roll.
Congradulations on a job well done.
Jason
That's one single can serving all the windows on one side, right? Sounds
like something like that could be very convenient in a small boat.
like something like that could be very convenient in a small boat.
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:41:10 -0000, rowerwet wrote:
> on all commercial aircraft condensation between the panes is a big
> problem (ice, it gets very cold at altitude) they use a container of
> silica connected by tubing to the cabin windows. unles the window is
> removable from the aircraft one container of silica about the size of
> a can of soda will be plumbed into every window on one side. as an
> aircraft mechanic i've changed the silica in the can many times, it is
> never located any where easy to get to and we couldn't just bake the
> moisture out 'cause we didn't have an oven. just make sure the tube
> connects to the bottom of the window.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, jhkohnen@b... wrote:
problem (ice, it gets very cold at altitude) they use a container of
silica connected by tubing to the cabin windows. unles the window is
removable from the aircraft one container of silica about the size of
a can of soda will be plumbed into every window on one side. as an
aircraft mechanic i've changed the silica in the can many times, it is
never located any where easy to get to and we couldn't just bake the
moisture out 'cause we didn't have an oven. just make sure the tube
connects to the bottom of the window.
> I wonder if a packet of silica gel placed between the panes wouldprevent
> condensation? If one of the panes was easily removable you couldreplace or
> dry out the silica gel every now and again.on all commercial aircraft condensation between the panes is a big
>
problem (ice, it gets very cold at altitude) they use a container of
silica connected by tubing to the cabin windows. unles the window is
removable from the aircraft one container of silica about the size of
a can of soda will be plumbed into every window on one side. as an
aircraft mechanic i've changed the silica in the can many times, it is
never located any where easy to get to and we couldn't just bake the
moisture out 'cause we didn't have an oven. just make sure the tube
connects to the bottom of the window.
Bruce
Condensation is still going to be an issue with lexan up here. I know SF
isn't the warmest place to sail in the summer but 60-65 degrees is way
different than trying to live aboard in 40-50 degrees and light rain.
Thats why every commercial boat and most other liveaboards has a diesel
cooking stove on board. Having experienced a couple of summers with a
propane stove and near mutiny on the part of my wife, cruising with a
diesel stove made me an enthused convert.
For small cruisers that don't have room for one or the weight carrying
ability I would suggest a small wood camp stove. Mark Zieger has one on
his Martha Jane he got from Harbor Freight, unfortunately they don't
carry it any more.
Alaska Tent and Tarp has some small stoves
http://www.alaskatent.com/products/tents/accessories.htm
The one for the Arctic oven would work well in a small boat I think.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
Condensation is still going to be an issue with lexan up here. I know SF
isn't the warmest place to sail in the summer but 60-65 degrees is way
different than trying to live aboard in 40-50 degrees and light rain.
Thats why every commercial boat and most other liveaboards has a diesel
cooking stove on board. Having experienced a couple of summers with a
propane stove and near mutiny on the part of my wife, cruising with a
diesel stove made me an enthused convert.
For small cruisers that don't have room for one or the weight carrying
ability I would suggest a small wood camp stove. Mark Zieger has one on
his Martha Jane he got from Harbor Freight, unfortunately they don't
carry it any more.
Alaska Tent and Tarp has some small stoves
http://www.alaskatent.com/products/tents/accessories.htm
The one for the Arctic oven would work well in a small boat I think.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>>>Living in Canada I plan to double-glaze the pilohouse on the Long
>>>Micro and add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
>>>more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
>>>
>>>
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>I think Bolger addresses the 'condensation' problem by trying to
>eliminate the water vapor from the cabin. Most his designs have vents
>located for strong cross ventilation.
>
>Don't confuse the condensation tendency of glass with polycarbonate,
>they are not the same. Glass is cool to the touch, polycarbonate is
>warm to the touch. I would expect as much condensation on a piece
>of plywood as I would on polycarbonate. Glass attracts condensation
>like steel does. Polycarbonate attracts condenstion like wood does.
>
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> > Living in Canada I plan to double-glaze the pilohouse on the LongI think Bolger addresses the 'condensation' problem by trying to
> > Micro and add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
> > more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
eliminate the water vapor from the cabin. Most his designs have vents
located for strong cross ventilation.
Don't confuse the condensation tendency of glass with polycarbonate,
they are not the same. Glass is cool to the touch, polycarbonate is
warm to the touch. I would expect as much condensation on a piece
of plywood as I would on polycarbonate. Glass attracts condensation
like steel does. Polycarbonate attracts condenstion like wood does.
I wonder if a packet of silica gel placed between the panes would prevent
condensation? If one of the panes was easily removable you could replace or
dry out the silica gel every now and again.
condensation? If one of the panes was easily removable you could replace or
dry out the silica gel every now and again.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:21:54 -0000, Nels wrote:
> ...
> Living in Canada I plan to double-glaze the pilohouse on the Long
> Micro and add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
> more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
>
> I would use two layers of lexan with inside and outer gaskets. The
> inside windows would be removable in case moisture got caught in
> between. I plan to use what are called barrel bolts to install them.
> Another option is to have the inner ones replaceable with screens and
> the outer ones able to slide open at the top, like many camper vans
> have.
> ...
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I am sure that I am not alone in wanting to see all those lines attached
to the sails while they are flying. I eagerly await the first sailing
pictures. Another long weekend coming up Bruce!!
HJ
to the sails while they are flying. I eagerly await the first sailing
pictures. Another long weekend coming up Bruce!!
HJ
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
>
>
>>As promised, here are photos of my Christmas Day
>>launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
>>Bruce,
>>
>>
>
>
Nels
As an Alaskan I have been thinking about the single pane issue also.
Anybody who has cruised in these climes knows about windows literally
running with water. I have thought of making double panes by gluing a
well fitted strip of lexan around the outside edge and then gluing on
another pane. There was a link a couple of years ago on this list about
a web site for glues for lexan and other plastics which I have lost.
After reading about these glues it seemed possible that you could create
an air tight joint so that you wouldn't get moisture in the inner space
between the panes.
HJ
As an Alaskan I have been thinking about the single pane issue also.
Anybody who has cruised in these climes knows about windows literally
running with water. I have thought of making double panes by gluing a
well fitted strip of lexan around the outside edge and then gluing on
another pane. There was a link a couple of years ago on this list about
a web site for glues for lexan and other plastics which I have lost.
After reading about these glues it seemed possible that you could create
an air tight joint so that you wouldn't get moisture in the inner space
between the panes.
HJ
>Living in Canada I plan to double-glaze the pilohouse on the Long
>Micro and add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
>more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
>
>I would use two layers of lexan with inside and outer gaskets. The
>inside windows would be removable in case moisture got caught in
>between. I plan to use what are called barrel bolts to install them.
>Another option is to have the inner ones replaceable with screens and
>the outer ones able to slide open at the top, like many camper vans
>have.
>
>Also plan to install a small bulkhead fireplace, as I intend to be
>living aboard for periods of a month or two.
>
>Cheers, Nels
>
>
>
>
>
Hi Peter, good to hear from you.
We have the warmth, but as I speak, 45knot winds and heavy rain. It's
been like this pretty much since xmas, and forecast for the next
weekend.....our neighbours went on a 1 months camping holiday, poor
them. Only consolation is the tsunami was only 4 inches high when it
got here.
From the tone of your posts, you must be battling 20 below? Why is the
climate never perfect anywhere?
Have you any update pics of your progress?
DonB
We have the warmth, but as I speak, 45knot winds and heavy rain. It's
been like this pretty much since xmas, and forecast for the next
weekend.....our neighbours went on a 1 months camping holiday, poor
them. Only consolation is the tsunami was only 4 inches high when it
got here.
From the tone of your posts, you must be battling 20 below? Why is the
climate never perfect anywhere?
Have you any update pics of your progress?
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> >> I will be launching come hell or high water in January. > DonB
>
>
> Hmmmmm....let's see here,"summer holidays","rain",lots of loose talk
> about "launchings","moorings" and other warm weather boating
> activities...Yup, that sure sounds like a fair description of Hell
> to me Don ! I guess it will have to be the "high water" option:-)
> I hope you have a safe and successful launching and that OINK proves
> herself to have been worth the effort,as I'm sure she will!
>
> All this recent flury of boat launchings sure is good to read
> about,especially for me,up here in paradise,with the wind whistling
> a sweet -18C melody,while my every happy breath shows itself off in
> front of my face like a mini heaven made cloud.There really is
> nothing so titilating as gentling hugging a sub-zero metal hand tool
> with fingers blue-numb with anticipation,all the while hoping to
> feel ones toes soon before dreamy images of frostbite over-come the
> present image of a warm bed......hell even a warm car:-) Oh
> yeah,summers coming!
> I think you built her strongerBuilt to original plan scantlings, but had second thoughts
> than the plans didn't you, which probably saved more serious damage
> from the trailer mishap. Oink would probably have cracked her 'built
> to plan' chines.
about the chine, rough cut and epoxied in some beefy chine
reinforcement. Whether that chine reinforcement actually
helped, is impossible to know. I do know, from observations
that the largest bulk of the weight of the boat rests on the
bottom of the lead filled fin keel not the chines.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
about "launchings","moorings" and other warm weather boating
activities...Yup, that sure sounds like a fair description of Hell
to me Don ! I guess it will have to be the "high water" option:-)
I hope you have a safe and successful launching and that OINK proves
herself to have been worth the effort,as I'm sure she will!
All this recent flury of boat launchings sure is good to read
about,especially for me,up here in paradise,with the wind whistling
a sweet -18C melody,while my every happy breath shows itself off in
front of my face like a mini heaven made cloud.There really is
nothing so titilating as gentling hugging a sub-zero metal hand tool
with fingers blue-numb with anticipation,all the while hoping to
feel ones toes soon before dreamy images of frostbite over-come the
present image of a warm bed......hell even a warm car:-) Oh
yeah,summers coming!
>> I will be launching come hell or high water in January. > DonBHmmmmm....let's see here,"summer holidays","rain",lots of loose talk
about "launchings","moorings" and other warm weather boating
activities...Yup, that sure sounds like a fair description of Hell
to me Don ! I guess it will have to be the "high water" option:-)
I hope you have a safe and successful launching and that OINK proves
herself to have been worth the effort,as I'm sure she will!
All this recent flury of boat launchings sure is good to read
about,especially for me,up here in paradise,with the wind whistling
a sweet -18C melody,while my every happy breath shows itself off in
front of my face like a mini heaven made cloud.There really is
nothing so titilating as gentling hugging a sub-zero metal hand tool
with fingers blue-numb with anticipation,all the while hoping to
feel ones toes soon before dreamy images of frostbite over-come the
present image of a warm bed......hell even a warm car:-) Oh
yeah,summers coming!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Great Good News Bruce! Hooray and Bravo! Ya done it! What an awesome
sense of relief it must be for you to finally launch her and that
with your launch day buggaboos to boot!
Your pictures are a splendid treat for the eyes and speak volumes
regarding the robust nature of the mighty Micro(any version!).
Picture no.5,however,does truly beg for a caption,in light of what
happened on the ramp :-)
Here's to wishing you smoother launchings and fairer sailing days in
the New Year !
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who can only dream of the "cold weather" Bruce
complains about and would happily switch places,if even for a
day,just so Bruce could feel much warmer in the future :-D
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
Navigator's sailing capabilities. I have written to PB&F re
modifications for the Micro, so I can hardly wait for first hand
experience on how the Navigator performs,
Chhers,
John Mann
> Don & Bruce,As a keen Micro Sailor I eagerly await your stories and pics on the
Navigator's sailing capabilities. I have written to PB&F re
modifications for the Micro, so I can hardly wait for first hand
experience on how the Navigator performs,
Chhers,
John Mann
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:design calls
> > > Living in Canada I plan to...
> > > add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
> > > more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
> >
> > I put 3/4" insulation in the sides and the roof. Bolger's
> > for a 'ceiling' on the sides to keep condensation from gettingcondensation.
> > the bedding wet, and Bolger explained to me in a letter that
> > insulation could be used instead or or in addtion to the ceiling.
> >
> > The new Birdwatcher II also uses insulation to reduce
>stronger
> Hi Bruce,
> Congratulations upon your launching. She looks a beauty, and hardly
> surprising that she attracted a crowd. I think you built her
> than the plans didn't you, which probably saved more serious damageher 'built
> from the trailer mishap. Oink would probably have cracked
> to plan' chines.a
> I will be launching come hell or high water in January. Have found
> local mooring which dries out, and nicely sheltered. We have ourthe
> summer holidays now, and when it stops raining I will finish the
> rigging, and if the sun ever comes out, check out my outboard on
> dinghy.chore.
> Incidentally, I found a 4hp outboard quite enough for a Micro. Once
> you get over about 5hp, the weight goes up markedly, which makes
> taking the motor home for security btween outings a less likely
> Good luck with your next launch,
> DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Congratulations upon your launching. She looks a beauty, and hardly
surprising that she attracted a crowd. I think you built her stronger
than the plans didn't you, which probably saved more serious damage
from the trailer mishap. Oink would probably have cracked her 'built
to plan' chines.
I will be launching come hell or high water in January. Have found a
local mooring which dries out, and nicely sheltered. We have our
summer holidays now, and when it stops raining I will finish the
rigging, and if the sun ever comes out, check out my outboard on the
dinghy.
Incidentally, I found a 4hp outboard quite enough for a Micro. Once
you get over about 5hp, the weight goes up markedly, which makes
taking the motor home for security btween outings a less likely chore.
Good luck with your next launch,
DonB
> > Living in Canada I plan to...Hi Bruce,
> > add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
> > more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
>
> I put 3/4" insulation in the sides and the roof. Bolger's design calls
> for a 'ceiling' on the sides to keep condensation from getting
> the bedding wet, and Bolger explained to me in a letter that
> insulation could be used instead or or in addtion to the ceiling.
>
> The new Birdwatcher II also uses insulation to reduce condensation.
Congratulations upon your launching. She looks a beauty, and hardly
surprising that she attracted a crowd. I think you built her stronger
than the plans didn't you, which probably saved more serious damage
from the trailer mishap. Oink would probably have cracked her 'built
to plan' chines.
I will be launching come hell or high water in January. Have found a
local mooring which dries out, and nicely sheltered. We have our
summer holidays now, and when it stops raining I will finish the
rigging, and if the sun ever comes out, check out my outboard on the
dinghy.
Incidentally, I found a 4hp outboard quite enough for a Micro. Once
you get over about 5hp, the weight goes up markedly, which makes
taking the motor home for security btween outings a less likely chore.
Good luck with your next launch,
DonB
> Living in Canada I plan to...I put 3/4" insulation in the sides and the roof. Bolger's design calls
> add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
> more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
for a 'ceiling' on the sides to keep condensation from getting
the bedding wet, and Bolger explained to me in a letter that
insulation could be used instead or or in addtion to the ceiling.
The new Birdwatcher II also uses insulation to reduce condensation.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, MARTIN FEAVIOUR <martin.feaviour@b...>
wrote:
when he sailed Birdwatcher. When he returned to shore he was still
only wearing his short-sleeved shirt and all the open boaters were
off to change their wet clothes. He did not realize how chilly it had
become until he stood up in the opening.
Living in Canada I plan to double-glaze the pilohouse on the Long
Micro and add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
I would use two layers of lexan with inside and outer gaskets. The
inside windows would be removable in case moisture got caught in
between. I plan to use what are called barrel bolts to install them.
Another option is to have the inner ones replaceable with screens and
the outer ones able to slide open at the top, like many camper vans
have.
Also plan to install a small bulkhead fireplace, as I intend to be
living aboard for periods of a month or two.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
>> i'm definitely going to build a navigator now,theWriting in MAIB, Phil Bolger shared a similar experience to Bruce
> design is all that i've been looking for
> my only reservations concern all that glass!!!
> we english are just not used to all that brightness
> it gets cold sailing over here
> maybe the glass area could be cut down by at least
> a1/2 to 3/4 to suit us this side of the pond?
> thanks
> martin
>
when he sailed Birdwatcher. When he returned to shore he was still
only wearing his short-sleeved shirt and all the open boaters were
off to change their wet clothes. He did not realize how chilly it had
become until he stood up in the opening.
Living in Canada I plan to double-glaze the pilohouse on the Long
Micro and add a layer of foam insulation under the cabin top. I am
more concerned with condensation than the actual temperature.
I would use two layers of lexan with inside and outer gaskets. The
inside windows would be removable in case moisture got caught in
between. I plan to use what are called barrel bolts to install them.
Another option is to have the inner ones replaceable with screens and
the outer ones able to slide open at the top, like many camper vans
have.
Also plan to install a small bulkhead fireplace, as I intend to be
living aboard for periods of a month or two.
Cheers, Nels
> i'm definitely going to build a navigator now,theI encourage you to build a Micro Navigator. The
> design is all that i've been looking for
> my only reservations concern all that glass!!!
> we english are just not used to all that brightness
> it gets cold sailing over here
> maybe the glass area could be cut down by at least
> a1/2 to 3/4 to suit us this side of the pond?
> thanks
> martin
windows could be made smaller, as long as you
realize that the Micro Navigator has no conventional
outside 'cockpit', so that unlike 99.99% of sailboats,
you sail her from *inside* the cabin, and the windows
are required for navigation and visibiltiy.
You are probably aware that the windows are made
of tinted polycarbonate plastic, also known as 'Lexan'.
It isn't similar to glass in several respects. It is very
tough to break, also it doesn't have a high thermal
coefficient like glass does [Lexan isn't cold to the touch].
Christmas day was brisk [by California standards],
and outside on the dock it felt cold, but sitting in the
shelter of the cabin [no wind, and trapped thermal
energy] it felt warm.
My side windows are 6" taller than Bolger's design.
That is, the bottom edge is lowered by 6 inches.
I also think the roof of the cabin could be made 4" lower
than that shown on Bolger's design. Though the high
headroom in the cabin [plus the windows] solves the
'claustrophobic' feeling that plagues so many sailboats,
in my opinion.
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
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As promised, here are photos of my Christmas Day
launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
well done bruce!!! great pics!!!
i'm definitely going to build a navigator now,the
design is all that i've been looking for
my only reservations concern all that glass!!!
we english are just not used to all that brightness
it gets cold sailing over here
maybe the glass area could be cut down by at least
a1/2 to 3/4 to suit us this side of the pond?
thanks
martin
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As promised, here are photos of my Christmas Day
launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
well done bruce!!! great pics!!!
i'm definitely going to build a navigator now,the
design is all that i've been looking for
my only reservations concern all that glass!!!
we english are just not used to all that brightness
it gets cold sailing over here
maybe the glass area could be cut down by at least
a1/2 to 3/4 to suit us this side of the pond?
thanks
martin
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging
dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts,
and snip away
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
of Rose under sail!! Congratulations! Well done!
> As promised, here are photos of my Christmas DayBeautiful photos and a great boat! Please don't hesitate to post pics
> launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
of Rose under sail!! Congratulations! Well done!
I guess if the usual Bolger philosophy is applied you mix and match features of the two designs to give a compromise that is convenient for yourself; or maybe add features one at a time as expense and need dictate.
The Birdwatcher featured in a recent issue of WoodenBoat already had a sturdy OB mount on it, which is probably the main thing that most people would like so they can be sure of getting home in a head sea when rowing would be out of the question.
Bill
Nels wrote:
Do you think an existing BWI could be modified to include some of the
improvements that are in BWII or would it be better to begin from
scratch?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The Birdwatcher featured in a recent issue of WoodenBoat already had a sturdy OB mount on it, which is probably the main thing that most people would like so they can be sure of getting home in a head sea when rowing would be out of the question.
Bill
Nels wrote:
Do you think an existing BWI could be modified to include some of the
improvements that are in BWII or would it be better to begin from
scratch?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
protected cabin with good visibility. I can hardly wait to see some
shots of her powering along in 15 - 20 knots of wind with you at the
helm!
> As promised, here are photos of my Christmas DayThe photos and the boat are absolutely fabulous. I envy your large
> launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
> Bruce,
protected cabin with good visibility. I can hardly wait to see some
shots of her powering along in 15 - 20 knots of wind with you at the
helm!
>http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
> Bruce,Puget Sound, and the Inside Passage was in my mind when I chose
> The Navigator version has always fascinated me. Seems like, for our
> Pacific Northwest waters, it would be a nice outfit. How do you like
> it, now that it's done and you've had a chance to log some hour in
> her? How easy is it to go out on deck? How much room is there in &
> out? How does she sail/motor/yuloh?
>
> Cheers,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR.
the Micro Navigator. San Francisco is nearly always cool and windy
also. I like it so far, though literally I have only 'cruised' one hour.
A related issue is how much my 'S.O.' likes it, and that it not determined.
The tiny deck is pretty easy to access, but what really matters is the
size of the *huge* bright cushy cabin considering the size of the hull 15'4".
I had a tangle of lines, so I didn't get to sail it on Christmas, not launching
until 60 minutes before sunset. Mostly I wanted to check for leaks, and
shake out some ofthe inevitable bugs [like my ramp launching technique].
The Micro handles like a Cadillac, tracking straight, turning slow,
lots of momentum. A 9.9 hp motor is overpowered, max to hull speed is
a medium/fast idle. I haven't tried the yuloh, as it can't be mounted
with the motor in place.
In truth, she is a semi-big chore to rig up and launch. Though, she trailers
launches and retrieves pretty easy. I hope to get a marina berth in
downtown San Francisico, [the harbormaster thinks I will come to the
top of the waiting list in late Spring], so I can sail it on a whim after work.
Several 'tweaks' came apparent after trying it out, one for instance is that
there is a need for some handholds inside the cabin to brace yourself when
in rough water, [I took it out in the Pacific, and the 5' swells/and swells
rebounding from the breakwater bounced you around a bit inside the cabin
which is too large to brace yourself off the ceiling, walls. Also, some grab
rails on the cabin roof would be useful for manhandling her while next to
a floating dock. I also need some scheme [and practice] keeping the halyards,
topping lifts, and reefing lines untangled when the mast is unstepped, and the
boom,gaff, and batten jaws are loosened.
Nice pics, ditto for the sailing pics.
Looks like a great job with a great finish, well done.
Looks like a great job with a great finish, well done.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:02:03 -0000, Nels <arvent@...> wrote:
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
>> As promised, here are photos of my Christmas Day
>> launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
>>
>>http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
>
> Great photos Bruce and congratulations for making history. Two firsts in
> one day. The first launching of a Micro Navigator and the first launching
> of a Micro that missed the ocean!
>
> Looks like you have lots of room and buoyancy. Can't wait to see Rose
> will all sails set.
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
> Cheers, Nels
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
in one day. The first launching of a Micro Navigator and the first
launching of a Micro that missed the ocean!
Looks like you have lots of room and buoyancy. Can't wait to see Rose
will all sails set.
Cheers, Nels
Cheers, Nels
> As promised, here are photos of my Christmas DayGreat photos Bruce and congratulations for making history. Two firsts
> launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
in one day. The first launching of a Micro Navigator and the first
launching of a Micro that missed the ocean!
Looks like you have lots of room and buoyancy. Can't wait to see Rose
will all sails set.
Cheers, Nels
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Bruce,
The Navigator version has always fascinated me. Seems like, for our
Pacific Northwest waters, it would be a nice outfit. How do you like
it, now that it's done and you've had a chance to log some hour in
her? How easy is it to go out on deck? How much room is there in &
out? How does she sail/motor/yuloh?
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR.
no sky
no earth but still
snowflakes fall -- Hashin
> As promised, here are photos of my Christmas Day****************
> launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
>
>http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
Bruce,
The Navigator version has always fascinated me. Seems like, for our
Pacific Northwest waters, it would be a nice outfit. How do you like
it, now that it's done and you've had a chance to log some hour in
her? How easy is it to go out on deck? How much room is there in &
out? How does she sail/motor/yuloh?
Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR.
no sky
no earth but still
snowflakes fall -- Hashin
As promised, here are photos of my Christmas Day
launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
launching of my Bolger Micro Navigator.
http://community.webshots.com/album/238506707FOsBFw
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
Do you think an existing BWI could be modified to include some of the
improvements that are in BWII or would it be better to begin from
scratch? Are the major design modifications mostly in the stern area,
like the doors over the companionway, new rudder design and covered
over deck with raised coamings and the motor mount? As well as the
hard covers for the opening?
Seems to me the centerboard could be made heavier, if not
conveniently enlarged and the bow fillets added and the interior
lined. I guess I am wondering if there is an upgrade sheet, or does
one have to buy a complete BWII set of plans to modify an existing
BWI?
Cheers, Nels
>> For what it is worth, I'd build a Birdwatcher II as IHi Phil,
> am not attracted to minimalism and I think that the
> additions to the design really are improvements.
>
Do you think an existing BWI could be modified to include some of the
improvements that are in BWII or would it be better to begin from
scratch? Are the major design modifications mostly in the stern area,
like the doors over the companionway, new rudder design and covered
over deck with raised coamings and the motor mount? As well as the
hard covers for the opening?
Seems to me the centerboard could be made heavier, if not
conveniently enlarged and the bow fillets added and the interior
lined. I guess I am wondering if there is an upgrade sheet, or does
one have to buy a complete BWII set of plans to modify an existing
BWI?
Cheers, Nels
I've seen the video but it was at PB&F's
interplanetary HQ. I don't know if they've made it
available for sale yet.
The video show's Birdwatcher's stability and
capablities. It is a really slick design. Phil thinks
it is among his best if not his best design.
For what it is worth, Phil said that he'd have a
Birdwatcher I built rather than a BW II if he were to
commission that style of boat. It is worthwhile
remembering that Phil Bolger is attracted to
minimalism.
For what it is worth, I'd build a Birdwatcher II as I
am not attracted to minimalism and I think that the
additions to the design really are improvements.
As they say, "You pays your money and you takes your
choices." They also say, "Your Milage May Vary."
Phil Smith
interplanetary HQ. I don't know if they've made it
available for sale yet.
The video show's Birdwatcher's stability and
capablities. It is a really slick design. Phil thinks
it is among his best if not his best design.
For what it is worth, Phil said that he'd have a
Birdwatcher I built rather than a BW II if he were to
commission that style of boat. It is worthwhile
remembering that Phil Bolger is attracted to
minimalism.
For what it is worth, I'd build a Birdwatcher II as I
am not attracted to minimalism and I think that the
additions to the design really are improvements.
As they say, "You pays your money and you takes your
choices." They also say, "Your Milage May Vary."
Phil Smith
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "max56537" <max56537@y...> wrote:
In the MAIB article, Bolger says, "... we borrowed her to do more
testing and to get some footage for a video that will be made
available when we get around to editing it."
This is about the original Birdwatcher. I expect BWII to out-perform
the original to a significant degree, due to improved sailplan and
larger, weighted off-centerboard.
Therefore I suggest that one get started on building BWII asap and be
the first to get one on the water!
Merry Christmas, Nels
>right?
> I believe at one time Bolger& Friends announced that a video of
> Birdwatcher would be available this fall. Northern Hemisphere,
> Has anybody seen it?Hi Max,
In the MAIB article, Bolger says, "... we borrowed her to do more
testing and to get some footage for a video that will be made
available when we get around to editing it."
This is about the original Birdwatcher. I expect BWII to out-perform
the original to a significant degree, due to improved sailplan and
larger, weighted off-centerboard.
Therefore I suggest that one get started on building BWII asap and be
the first to get one on the water!
Merry Christmas, Nels
I believe at one time Bolger& Friends announced that a video of
Birdwatcher would be available this fall. Northern Hemisphere, right?
Has anybody seen it?
Birdwatcher would be available this fall. Northern Hemisphere, right?
Has anybody seen it?