Re: Crazy idea, but...
Hi Rick,
That name sounded familar! Is this the same guy do you think?
http://www.pacificdesignspaddles.com/index.html
Cheers, Nels
That name sounded familar! Is this the same guy do you think?
http://www.pacificdesignspaddles.com/index.html
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Rick Bedard <sctree@y...> wrote:
> I had Steve build one of his kydex sharpies back in '84, great boat
and great material.
I had Steve build one of his kydex sharpies back in '84, great boat and great material. The hull was two layers of kydex with 2" of foam sandwiched in between to get a 22' hull that weighed 240 lbs. Mine was built from 4x8 sheets (prior to that you could buy roll of kydex) which required two butt joints per full panel. Steve heat bent the mating edges back 90 degrees and used aluminum angle as backups before gluing and riveting the panels together... That was extra labor, but it still went together fast. I seem to recall he built the complete hull (singlehanded) in three or four weeks. I don't own the boat anymore, but heard rumor it's still going strong...
Rick
marka@...wrote:
Twenty years ago, Steven Wilce has a business of small boats made with Kydex,
so, no,you are not too of-the-wall.
His boats were Kydex over foam and with a channel framework. Awfully labor
intensive, which may explain the lack of catching on.
Bonding to plywood ought to be practical if the weight were watched.
Mark
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Rick
marka@...wrote:
Twenty years ago, Steven Wilce has a business of small boats made with Kydex,
so, no,you are not too of-the-wall.
His boats were Kydex over foam and with a channel framework. Awfully labor
intensive, which may explain the lack of catching on.
Bonding to plywood ought to be practical if the weight were watched.
Mark
Quoting Bruce Dillahunty <bdillahu@...>:
>Bolger rules!!!
> OK, I'm going to toss out my idea and watch everybody shoot it down:
>
> I like a lot of the panel built (plywood) boat designs, but by the time
> you get done with the epoxy, etc., it just seems a bit much. I know
> some get away with just painting and sealing, and that is definitely
> one tactic... now for my brainstorm...
>
> Clad it in Kydex.
>
> If you aren't familiar with Kydex, its a sheet plastic that comes in a
> few colors, and easily heat formable. You heat it up and it will bend
> (without loss of appreciable thickness) to "form fit" to whatever its
> forming to. When it cools, it stays in its new shape. It is commonly
> used for gun and knife holsters and display counter coverings. Other
> uses are hospital coverings/claddings due to his liquid resistance.
>
> I don't really see why I couldn't build a hull with plywood, sand it
> "reasonably", prime with a latex primer as recommended by the Kydex
> people, then bond a layer of Kydex over it. If you weld the Kydex
> sheets together, then it becomes a "one piece" layer to keep the water
> away from the wood. It is really tough stuff, so I would expect it to
> handle the normal bump and scrape. It would have the wood behind it for
> the ultimate structural strength. Extend the Kydex up to above the
> waterline and you have a "plastic" boat lined with wood :-)
>
> I don't see that this is going to be much worse than the (fairly
> common?) tactic of epoxy/glass on the exterior and just paint on the
> interior.
>
> For technical details, see:
>
> www.kydex.com
>
> There are tech. notes at:
>
>http://www.kydex.com/Technical/BriefIndex.asp
>
> including notes on bonding it to wood, and welding sheets together.
>
> One site I have found for purchase is:
>
>http://www.professionalplastics.com
>
> Seems to run between $45 - $240 for a 4x8' sheet, depending on
> thickness (the high price is of .25" thick... that would be about
> armorplate.
>
> Thoughts/ideas/laughter?
>
> Be kind :-)
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
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Twenty years ago, Steven Wilce has a business of small boats made with Kydex,
so, no,you are not too of-the-wall.
His boats were Kydex over foam and with a channel framework. Awfully labor
intensive, which may explain the lack of catching on.
Bonding to plywood ought to be practical if the weight were watched.
Mark
Quoting Bruce Dillahunty <bdillahu@...>:
so, no,you are not too of-the-wall.
His boats were Kydex over foam and with a channel framework. Awfully labor
intensive, which may explain the lack of catching on.
Bonding to plywood ought to be practical if the weight were watched.
Mark
Quoting Bruce Dillahunty <bdillahu@...>:
>
> OK, I'm going to toss out my idea and watch everybody shoot it down:
>
> I like a lot of the panel built (plywood) boat designs, but by the time
> you get done with the epoxy, etc., it just seems a bit much. I know
> some get away with just painting and sealing, and that is definitely
> one tactic... now for my brainstorm...
>
> Clad it in Kydex.
>
> If you aren't familiar with Kydex, its a sheet plastic that comes in a
> few colors, and easily heat formable. You heat it up and it will bend
> (without loss of appreciable thickness) to "form fit" to whatever its
> forming to. When it cools, it stays in its new shape. It is commonly
> used for gun and knife holsters and display counter coverings. Other
> uses are hospital coverings/claddings due to his liquid resistance.
>
> I don't really see why I couldn't build a hull with plywood, sand it
> "reasonably", prime with a latex primer as recommended by the Kydex
> people, then bond a layer of Kydex over it. If you weld the Kydex
> sheets together, then it becomes a "one piece" layer to keep the water
> away from the wood. It is really tough stuff, so I would expect it to
> handle the normal bump and scrape. It would have the wood behind it for
> the ultimate structural strength. Extend the Kydex up to above the
> waterline and you have a "plastic" boat lined with wood :-)
>
> I don't see that this is going to be much worse than the (fairly
> common?) tactic of epoxy/glass on the exterior and just paint on the
> interior.
>
> For technical details, see:
>
> www.kydex.com
>
> There are tech. notes at:
>
>http://www.kydex.com/Technical/BriefIndex.asp
>
> including notes on bonding it to wood, and welding sheets together.
>
> One site I have found for purchase is:
>
>http://www.professionalplastics.com
>
> Seems to run between $45 - $240 for a 4x8' sheet, depending on
> thickness (the high price is of .25" thick... that would be about
> armorplate.
>
> Thoughts/ideas/laughter?
>
> Be kind :-)
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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Bruce,
There used to be a fellow in Southern California who built boats up to 19 -20 feet in Kydex and foam sandwich. Hard chines as I recall. Claimed they were lighter than wood/glass/foam and stronger, but also that they were nicely insulated (in fact, every locker was a potential ice chest). He sold finished boats and some hulls and parts.
I don't think your idea is too far fetched.
Mike
There used to be a fellow in Southern California who built boats up to 19 -20 feet in Kydex and foam sandwich. Hard chines as I recall. Claimed they were lighter than wood/glass/foam and stronger, but also that they were nicely insulated (in fact, every locker was a potential ice chest). He sold finished boats and some hulls and parts.
I don't think your idea is too far fetched.
Mike
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Subject: [bolger] Crazy idea, but...
OK, I'm going to toss out my idea and watch everybody shoot it down:
I like a lot of the panel built (plywood) boat designs, but by the time
you get done with the epoxy, etc., it just seems a bit much. I know
some get away with just painting and sealing, and that is definitely
one tactic... now for my brainstorm...
Clad it in Kydex.
If you aren't familiar with Kydex, its a sheet plastic that comes in a
few colors, and easily heat formable. You heat it up and it will bend
(without loss of appreciable thickness) to "form fit" to whatever its
forming to. When it cools, it stays in its new shape. It is commonly
used for gun and knife holsters and display counter coverings. Other
uses are hospital coverings/claddings due to his liquid resistance.
I don't really see why I couldn't build a hull with plywood, sand it
"reasonably", prime with a latex primer as recommended by the Kydex
people, then bond a layer of Kydex over it. If you weld the Kydex
sheets together, then it becomes a "one piece" layer to keep the water
away from the wood. It is really tough stuff, so I would expect it to
handle the normal bump and scrape. It would have the wood behind it for
the ultimate structural strength. Extend the Kydex up to above the
waterline and you have a "plastic" boat lined with wood :-)
I don't see that this is going to be much worse than the (fairly
common?) tactic of epoxy/glass on the exterior and just paint on the
interior.
For technical details, see:
www.kydex.com
There are tech. notes at:
http://www.kydex.com/Technical/BriefIndex.asp<http://www.kydex.com/Technical/BriefIndex.asp>
including notes on bonding it to wood, and welding sheets together.
One site I have found for purchase is:
http://www.professionalplastics.com<http://www.professionalplastics.com/>
Seems to run between $45 - $240 for a 4x8' sheet, depending on
thickness (the high price is of .25" thick... that would be about
armorplate.
Thoughts/ideas/laughter?
Be kind :-)
Bruce
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OK, I'm going to toss out my idea and watch everybody shoot it down:
I like a lot of the panel built (plywood) boat designs, but by the time
you get done with the epoxy, etc., it just seems a bit much. I know
some get away with just painting and sealing, and that is definitely
one tactic... now for my brainstorm...
Clad it in Kydex.
If you aren't familiar with Kydex, its a sheet plastic that comes in a
few colors, and easily heat formable. You heat it up and it will bend
(without loss of appreciable thickness) to "form fit" to whatever its
forming to. When it cools, it stays in its new shape. It is commonly
used for gun and knife holsters and display counter coverings. Other
uses are hospital coverings/claddings due to his liquid resistance.
I don't really see why I couldn't build a hull with plywood, sand it
"reasonably", prime with a latex primer as recommended by the Kydex
people, then bond a layer of Kydex over it. If you weld the Kydex
sheets together, then it becomes a "one piece" layer to keep the water
away from the wood. It is really tough stuff, so I would expect it to
handle the normal bump and scrape. It would have the wood behind it for
the ultimate structural strength. Extend the Kydex up to above the
waterline and you have a "plastic" boat lined with wood :-)
I don't see that this is going to be much worse than the (fairly
common?) tactic of epoxy/glass on the exterior and just paint on the
interior.
For technical details, see:
www.kydex.com
There are tech. notes at:
http://www.kydex.com/Technical/BriefIndex.asp
including notes on bonding it to wood, and welding sheets together.
One site I have found for purchase is:
http://www.professionalplastics.com
Seems to run between $45 - $240 for a 4x8' sheet, depending on
thickness (the high price is of .25" thick... that would be about
armorplate.
Thoughts/ideas/laughter?
Be kind :-)
Bruce
I like a lot of the panel built (plywood) boat designs, but by the time
you get done with the epoxy, etc., it just seems a bit much. I know
some get away with just painting and sealing, and that is definitely
one tactic... now for my brainstorm...
Clad it in Kydex.
If you aren't familiar with Kydex, its a sheet plastic that comes in a
few colors, and easily heat formable. You heat it up and it will bend
(without loss of appreciable thickness) to "form fit" to whatever its
forming to. When it cools, it stays in its new shape. It is commonly
used for gun and knife holsters and display counter coverings. Other
uses are hospital coverings/claddings due to his liquid resistance.
I don't really see why I couldn't build a hull with plywood, sand it
"reasonably", prime with a latex primer as recommended by the Kydex
people, then bond a layer of Kydex over it. If you weld the Kydex
sheets together, then it becomes a "one piece" layer to keep the water
away from the wood. It is really tough stuff, so I would expect it to
handle the normal bump and scrape. It would have the wood behind it for
the ultimate structural strength. Extend the Kydex up to above the
waterline and you have a "plastic" boat lined with wood :-)
I don't see that this is going to be much worse than the (fairly
common?) tactic of epoxy/glass on the exterior and just paint on the
interior.
For technical details, see:
www.kydex.com
There are tech. notes at:
http://www.kydex.com/Technical/BriefIndex.asp
including notes on bonding it to wood, and welding sheets together.
One site I have found for purchase is:
http://www.professionalplastics.com
Seems to run between $45 - $240 for a 4x8' sheet, depending on
thickness (the high price is of .25" thick... that would be about
armorplate.
Thoughts/ideas/laughter?
Be kind :-)
Bruce