Re: POWER Sharpies and V39 Comparisons.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
Hull construction
is usually only a third of the time used in building a boat...


Holy Jumpin' Jelly Beans! No wonder things have been going so slow
with Windermere...I always thought the hull was one quarter of the
time.Darnit! Things should speed up considerably since I'm now
actually past the one third stage!Yippee! Wish I'd known about this
sooner so I could have planned accordingly..........

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan,newly inspired to work faster.........!

----- Original Message -----
From: Harry James
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: POWER Sharpies and V39 Comparisons.


In my experience, the strong back, frame and then plank or cover with
plywood is a lot faster and easier than the stitch and glue variations
on skiff or hard chine boats. Of course you then have all those frames
kicking around inside the boat to catch dirt and rot. Hull construction
is usually only a third of the time used in building a boat so your
decision on which boat to build should include other considerations than
just the hull construction.

HJ

I agree wholeheartedly with Harry - A really good S&G hull needs as much attention as a framed hull, to get it dead right.

I built my S&G Chebacco hull over a strongback with the bulkheads positioned accurately and then the panels epoxied and glassed into position. Lots of preparatory work with a spirit level.

I also had to figure out a way of putting the 20 foot floppy panels on single handed! Doable of course, but needs a bit of thinking out unless you've got a slave or two handy ;)

Bill (just completing his 4th S&G hull, spirit level at the ready)

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>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:
>looking to understand the major differences
>
>
>>of the Dakota and V39 construction.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Eric,
> One thing that I wonder about is the V39 bottom construction.
>Mark built his with an inside layer of tongue and groove flooring
>over-layed with plywood while Brad appears to have done his straight
>plywood.Has Mark changed his prescribed building method on newer
>plans and if so,why?
>Something else to consider;the V39 is essentially built like a giant
>skiff and with traditional methods,ie;strong back,frames etc...
>while Bolger likes his "one panel per side" assembly method. It has
>been my experience that the traditional method is perhaps best
>suited for those who may wish to have more checks and balances along
>the way.The Bolger method,while simple to grasp,requires"perfect"
>alignment of all elements prior to glue up day.On small boats this
>is not much of a problem,but on a bigger boat,you really don't want
>to get things out of line for it will forever spoil a considerable
>investment in time and money! Those panels are big,heavy and awkward
>enough that you don't want to fiddle too much with them before final
>assembly. Check out Vince's pictures,in the Dakota files,for his set
>up for swinging just one side panel in place.
>Windermere uses the same method but the hull sides AND cabin sides
>are one piece and all bulkheads must be installed and plumbed prior
>to glue up.Again,simple and elegant enough on paper(or in your minds
>eye) but a real handful when working alone.
>About the only real thing that drives me nuts with these bigger
>sharpies is their complete and total lack of any bilge space.You
>live/walk right on the boats bottom.It seems to me that condensation
>and cold floors would be a forever problem if you used one of these
>boats higher up North then say Carolina and that their bottoms need
>to be thickly built to do away with otherwise much needed transverse
>framing....little bits of wood to forever trip over or step smartly
>over....nightmares after a heavy night of partying!
>And that is why I like Windermere so much...a real bilge and warm
>floors :-) All in all a much safer environment for the sobriety
>challenged :-)
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Peter Lenihan
>
>
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:
looking to understand the major differences
> of the Dakota and V39 construction.
>

Eric,
One thing that I wonder about is the V39 bottom construction.
Mark built his with an inside layer of tongue and groove flooring
over-layed with plywood while Brad appears to have done his straight
plywood.Has Mark changed his prescribed building method on newer
plans and if so,why?
Something else to consider;the V39 is essentially built like a giant
skiff and with traditional methods,ie;strong back,frames etc...
while Bolger likes his "one panel per side" assembly method. It has
been my experience that the traditional method is perhaps best
suited for those who may wish to have more checks and balances along
the way.The Bolger method,while simple to grasp,requires"perfect"
alignment of all elements prior to glue up day.On small boats this
is not much of a problem,but on a bigger boat,you really don't want
to get things out of line for it will forever spoil a considerable
investment in time and money! Those panels are big,heavy and awkward
enough that you don't want to fiddle too much with them before final
assembly. Check out Vince's pictures,in the Dakota files,for his set
up for swinging just one side panel in place.
Windermere uses the same method but the hull sides AND cabin sides
are one piece and all bulkheads must be installed and plumbed prior
to glue up.Again,simple and elegant enough on paper(or in your minds
eye) but a real handful when working alone.
About the only real thing that drives me nuts with these bigger
sharpies is their complete and total lack of any bilge space.You
live/walk right on the boats bottom.It seems to me that condensation
and cold floors would be a forever problem if you used one of these
boats higher up North then say Carolina and that their bottoms need
to be thickly built to do away with otherwise much needed transverse
framing....little bits of wood to forever trip over or step smartly
over....nightmares after a heavy night of partying!
And that is why I like Windermere so much...a real bilge and warm
floors :-) All in all a much safer environment for the sobriety
challenged :-)

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:
I see the basic difference in the V39/Dakota
> construction is the V39 is built on a frame with the ply wood
applied
> as individual pieces.Bolger sharpie construction
sides are scarfed together into one piece and moved
> into place and attached to the bottom. I am just looking to
understand the major differences
> of the Dakota and V39 construction.
>
> Thanks
>
> eric s

Eric,,

Is this a question? If so, you appear to have already answered
it yourself since what you describe is THE major construction
difference between the two designs mentioned.........


Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan