Re: Removing a Teal center frame
Brent
Don't worry too much about comfort, You'll be having too much fun. Go
with the spacer blocks and round off the corners of the inwales a bit.
If you still need comfort, but a section on pipe insulation on the
gunwale, or better, use your spare PFD for a back cushion. wouldn't
uglify it like pipe insulation. I'll put up a photo in B-5 of my
latest Teal. Note the dory transom just visable with rounded top.
Thwarts are set about 1/2" below the gunwale to let the sheer line
flow without a break. With blocked inwale screw the thwarts below the
inwale into solid blocking. End decks are no problem. Put them below
the inwale, again solid blocking also in this area. Note: adds weight.
Leave a hole for water to drain when stored inverted. Whatever you
decide, just do it. It isn,t a lifetime commitment. It is likely there
are more boats in your future.
Don't worry too much about comfort, You'll be having too much fun. Go
with the spacer blocks and round off the corners of the inwales a bit.
If you still need comfort, but a section on pipe insulation on the
gunwale, or better, use your spare PFD for a back cushion. wouldn't
uglify it like pipe insulation. I'll put up a photo in B-5 of my
latest Teal. Note the dory transom just visable with rounded top.
Thwarts are set about 1/2" below the gunwale to let the sheer line
flow without a break. With blocked inwale screw the thwarts below the
inwale into solid blocking. End decks are no problem. Put them below
the inwale, again solid blocking also in this area. Note: adds weight.
Leave a hole for water to drain when stored inverted. Whatever you
decide, just do it. It isn,t a lifetime commitment. It is likely there
are more boats in your future.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Brent Minchey" <bminchey@b...> wrote:
>
> I like the looks of an inwale with spacer blocks, and I imagine it
would be
> the strongest option, but I worry about the comfort factor of
leaning up
> against it. I'd also like to put some decking fore and aft (or even
> enclosed floatation) at some point when I figure out the best way to
support
> it and I fear the inwale would complicate that. But if you build
the boat
> you describe, I'd love to see pictures.
>
> -Brent
>
> >If I build another Teal (5 so far) without the center frame I would
add
> >an inwale with spacer blocks. That would be stiff for sure. Put a
bit
> >of curve in the bow (stitch & tape) and loft in a dory transom
just to
> >make it prettier.
>
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I like the looks of an inwale with spacer blocks, and I imagine it would be
the strongest option, but I worry about the comfort factor of leaning up
against it. I'd also like to put some decking fore and aft (or even
enclosed floatation) at some point when I figure out the best way to support
it and I fear the inwale would complicate that. But if you build the boat
you describe, I'd love to see pictures.
-Brent
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the strongest option, but I worry about the comfort factor of leaning up
against it. I'd also like to put some decking fore and aft (or even
enclosed floatation) at some point when I figure out the best way to support
it and I fear the inwale would complicate that. But if you build the boat
you describe, I'd love to see pictures.
-Brent
>If I build another Teal (5 so far) without the center frame I would add--
>an inwale with spacer blocks. That would be stiff for sure. Put a bit
>of curve in the bow (stitch & tape) and loft in a dory transom just to
>make it prettier.
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If I build another Teal (5 so far) without the center frame I would
add an inwale with spacer blocks. That would be stiff for sure.
Put a bit of curve in the bow (stitch & tape) and loft in a dory
transom just to make it prettier.
add an inwale with spacer blocks. That would be stiff for sure.
Put a bit of curve in the bow (stitch & tape) and loft in a dory
transom just to make it prettier.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@s...> wrote:
> I haven't looked at the Teal drawings, but "stiff" is a function of
> structural depth, not of the tonnage of the wood; i.e., I'd add the
new 1x2
> to either the inside or outside of the existing gunwale.
I haven't looked at the Teal drawings, but "stiff" is a function of
structural depth, not of the tonnage of the wood; i.e., I'd add the new 1x2
to either the inside or outside of the existing gunwale.
I think I'd also leave as much of the old frame as consistent with the end
use. If your end were well enough padded, even 1/4" of the old frame would
help prevent oil canning.
Roger
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structural depth, not of the tonnage of the wood; i.e., I'd add the new 1x2
to either the inside or outside of the existing gunwale.
I think I'd also leave as much of the old frame as consistent with the end
use. If your end were well enough padded, even 1/4" of the old frame would
help prevent oil canning.
Roger
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From: "Brent Minchey" <bminchey@...>
> I'm guessing the extra 1x2 strip goes below the existing gunwale.
> Should the whole frame come out, or would the side members
> continue to serve a purpose?
Should the
Hi Brent,
I did a similar thing on my Bolger Nymph. I left the side portions
of the center frame. I cut as close as I could to the bottom and
then ground down the rest. This gave me an area to slide around in
when sitting on the bottom.
Reed
> whole frame come out, or would the side members continue to serve apurpose?
Hi Brent,
I did a similar thing on my Bolger Nymph. I left the side portions
of the center frame. I cut as close as I could to the bottom and
then ground down the rest. This gave me an area to slide around in
when sitting on the bottom.
Reed
I found this little tidbit in an article Jim Michalak wrote on boat camping:
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2002/0901/
"I made my old Teal skiff suitable for camping by adding
another 1x2 lamination to the wale and taking a saw to
the center frame that was blocking my sleep space. The
modified boat was better all around: no heavier than
before but just as rigid and with a wide open center."
This sounds like a wonderful idea for anyone with a Teal and a desire to
stretch out. It would have been an even more wonderful idea if I'd read it
before I fastened that frame to the bottom and sides with a thick bead of
epoxy and a whole bunch of screws (and then glassed over the heads). Such
is life. Removing that sucker ain't gonna be fun, but it's bound to be
easier than building another boat.
Anyone done something like this and care to elaborate? I'm wary of hacking
away at structural members with no more than two sentences to go on. I'm
guessing the extra 1x2 strip goes below the existing gunwale. Should the
whole frame come out, or would the side members continue to serve a purpose?
Plan of attack? My initial thinking is a fresh stack of Dremel cut-off
wheels to carve along as close as possible to the bottom and find all the
screws. Then finish the cut from the other side and make a few vertical saw
cuts to remove the bulk of the material. Then Dremel and belt sand as
appropriate to reach bottom.
Any elegant suggestions, dire warnings or charges of blasphemy?
-Brent
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http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2002/0901/
"I made my old Teal skiff suitable for camping by adding
another 1x2 lamination to the wale and taking a saw to
the center frame that was blocking my sleep space. The
modified boat was better all around: no heavier than
before but just as rigid and with a wide open center."
This sounds like a wonderful idea for anyone with a Teal and a desire to
stretch out. It would have been an even more wonderful idea if I'd read it
before I fastened that frame to the bottom and sides with a thick bead of
epoxy and a whole bunch of screws (and then glassed over the heads). Such
is life. Removing that sucker ain't gonna be fun, but it's bound to be
easier than building another boat.
Anyone done something like this and care to elaborate? I'm wary of hacking
away at structural members with no more than two sentences to go on. I'm
guessing the extra 1x2 strip goes below the existing gunwale. Should the
whole frame come out, or would the side members continue to serve a purpose?
Plan of attack? My initial thinking is a fresh stack of Dremel cut-off
wheels to carve along as close as possible to the bottom and find all the
screws. Then finish the cut from the other side and make a few vertical saw
cuts to remove the bulk of the material. Then Dremel and belt sand as
appropriate to reach bottom.
Any elegant suggestions, dire warnings or charges of blasphemy?
-Brent
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