Topaz
Can you tell me about the topaz?
Topaz is a design sold by Phil Bolger, essentially a shallow draft
double ended outboard runabout, mostly out of plywood.
I think that three have been built in the 'enclosed cabin' version,
and I am the first to build in the 'open runabout' version. I think
it could be built with MDO plywood, (without fiberglass), making it
somewhat 'disposable', but with a boat this big (31ft) there is some
justification towards spending the $/time to build it more
substantially w/plywood/epoxy/fiberglass composite.
Some photos of a Topaz build here:
http://journeyboats.com/photo_journal.htm
I used a different quicker technique for the bottom build, with no
'table', Silicon Bronze nails instead of screws, and I was happy with
the time saved.
Presently, I am partially done, doing interior fitout (most recently,
the 'faux-teak' floorboard planking between the seats and in the
cockpit) plus painting of the underseat compartments. Two weeks ago,
I installed the narrow curved midship top deck strake (20ft x 6"
tilted and curved), for which I used Free!ship to calculate the
layout. Handy software!
Topaz is a design sold by Phil Bolger, essentially a shallow draft
double ended outboard runabout, mostly out of plywood.
I think that three have been built in the 'enclosed cabin' version,
and I am the first to build in the 'open runabout' version. I think
it could be built with MDO plywood, (without fiberglass), making it
somewhat 'disposable', but with a boat this big (31ft) there is some
justification towards spending the $/time to build it more
substantially w/plywood/epoxy/fiberglass composite.
Some photos of a Topaz build here:
http://journeyboats.com/photo_journal.htm
I used a different quicker technique for the bottom build, with no
'table', Silicon Bronze nails instead of screws, and I was happy with
the time saved.
Presently, I am partially done, doing interior fitout (most recently,
the 'faux-teak' floorboard planking between the seats and in the
cockpit) plus painting of the underseat compartments. Two weeks ago,
I installed the narrow curved midship top deck strake (20ft x 6"
tilted and curved), for which I used Free!ship to calculate the
layout. Handy software!
Hi,
You could take a bathtub or kitchen sink into open water on the
right day: but have no fallback if/when the weather changes.
I am the third owner of GK134S Janoralee, now reregistered from SA
to Victoria, and renamed to Jessie II (after my father's boat).
I bought it for rivers, but have had it on Westernport (a shallow
and very tidal bay) in good conditions, and survived a storm with 1
m waves on Lake Eildon (Victoria's most popular inland boating
lake). My mate was steering, and went side on; I took over, was
able to come about and hold the bow into the waves (with one more
side on when I wasn't sufficiently nimble). While I was worried
about broaching, and wouldn't go out in such conditions, the boat
was probably sufficiently stable. My faithful Yamaha 9.9 hp (7.4
kW) four-stroke water-cooled motor didn't miss a beat, and had just
enough power to hold my heading (but probably with nothing in
reserve). Half metre waves are quite ok: quite smooth bow into the
wind, and not much movement if they are cross waves. I have just
had two medium-wind days on Lake King and Lake Tyers (Gippsland,
Victoria), and the boat gave me no fears.
I have a report somewhere of a more skilled boatie holding a
Tennesee safely in 2 m waves on Lake Alexandrina (South Australia),
caught in a storm (and not by choice).
I would certainly not take Jessie II from Seattle to Juneau, and not
Chicago - Toronto either. I would dearly love to transit Ontario's
Trent Canal (Peterborough ship lift, and a ship railway amongst
other attractions) in a Tennessee.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
(Melbourne, Australia)
You could take a bathtub or kitchen sink into open water on the
right day: but have no fallback if/when the weather changes.
I am the third owner of GK134S Janoralee, now reregistered from SA
to Victoria, and renamed to Jessie II (after my father's boat).
I bought it for rivers, but have had it on Westernport (a shallow
and very tidal bay) in good conditions, and survived a storm with 1
m waves on Lake Eildon (Victoria's most popular inland boating
lake). My mate was steering, and went side on; I took over, was
able to come about and hold the bow into the waves (with one more
side on when I wasn't sufficiently nimble). While I was worried
about broaching, and wouldn't go out in such conditions, the boat
was probably sufficiently stable. My faithful Yamaha 9.9 hp (7.4
kW) four-stroke water-cooled motor didn't miss a beat, and had just
enough power to hold my heading (but probably with nothing in
reserve). Half metre waves are quite ok: quite smooth bow into the
wind, and not much movement if they are cross waves. I have just
had two medium-wind days on Lake King and Lake Tyers (Gippsland,
Victoria), and the boat gave me no fears.
I have a report somewhere of a more skilled boatie holding a
Tennesee safely in 2 m waves on Lake Alexandrina (South Australia),
caught in a storm (and not by choice).
I would certainly not take Jessie II from Seattle to Juneau, and not
Chicago - Toronto either. I would dearly love to transit Ontario's
Trent Canal (Peterborough ship lift, and a ship railway amongst
other attractions) in a Tennessee.
Regards,
Roderick B Smith
(Melbourne, Australia)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> I wouldn't hesitate to take a Tennessee from Seattle to Juneau in
the
> summer, might have to wait a couple of days for wx on some of the
legs.
> eric green wrote:
> > Has the master or any builders of Windermere ever commented on
the
> > seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am wondering if Mr.
Bolger has
> > ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats would be, in
his
> > opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastal
cruising such as
> > the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau...
Rhett, I am glad you are enjoying her--you have made
my day reading about your adventures. Here is one
anchoring tip, which you may have figured out already.
With her very shallow underbody, if you anchor and
leave the lower unit in the water, she will pivot
around the motor, "sailing" off to one side or another
and fetching up on the anchor rode with a jerk which
will keep you awake, if there is any wind, and will
also tend to break the anchor loose. If you tilt the
motor up, she is nice and docile at anchor. I've got
to tell you, I never was lucky enough to eat fresh
redfish on her, though. Sam
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my day reading about your adventures. Here is one
anchoring tip, which you may have figured out already.
With her very shallow underbody, if you anchor and
leave the lower unit in the water, she will pivot
around the motor, "sailing" off to one side or another
and fetching up on the anchor rode with a jerk which
will keep you awake, if there is any wind, and will
also tend to break the anchor loose. If you tilt the
motor up, she is nice and docile at anchor. I've got
to tell you, I never was lucky enough to eat fresh
redfish on her, though. Sam
--- ravenouspi <ravenous@...> wrote:
> Okay, after pestering Sam about posting photos on__________________________________________________
> the group for months
> when I was thinking about building a Topaz--and even
> going to see his
> Topaz in Delaware. I ultimately bought his fine
> craft.
> So now I can climb aboard and look at her anytime I
> want from any angle.
> Dianne and I have used her twice. Unfortunatly we
> didn't take many
> pictures. I have posted 3 or 4 in Bolger 5 Photos
> section in a folder
> named TOPAZ.
> Our first trip, we launched on a Friday evening, in
> 30 mph winds with
> lows in the 30s, just before dark. The wind pushed
> us around
> mercilessly as I was timid with the motor at first.
> We were blown
> into one side of the channel or the other as I tried
> to get pointed
> upriver into the wind while just above idle.
> Finally I wised up and
> gave her some gas. Then we were fine. The wind was
> whipping and the
> waves were capping even in the small river, and the
> boat just cut
> through without trouble. The wind was a little
> troublesome but as
> long as I stayed above 4 knots I could compensate.
> We had more
> trouble anchoring, in which we are also
> inexperienced. In the AF4 we
> typically beach or run up in some slew. I picked a
> spot downwind of a
> small islet hoping to get some protection from the
> wind. But we had
> only the 20 lb mushroom anchor from the AF4 and I
> dropped it further
> out in the channel than usual thinking to avoid
> sitting on mud part of
> the night at low tide. The wind forced us against
> the far side of the
> channel in no time, dragging anchor, into some dead
> trees. We had a
> dickens of a time getting out, fighting against the
> wind and trying to
> get anything other than sideways to the bank. After
> a tense 30 minutes
> of inching this way and that and listening to
> branches scrape the
> boat, we did manage to get off and back across the
> channel to the
> protected side. This time anchored right up on the
> islet completely
> out of the wind and had no more troubles. Dianne was
> a little
> stressed, but eventually we unwound. We turned on
> the dickenson
> propane heater, dried off, and settled into our new
> digs. The heater
> did a fine job, despite their being a definite draft
> around the
> windows. We were happy and toasty. Dianne studied
> while I read a
> good mystery novel, and we munched on mixed nuts. We
> eventually put
> the center piece between the two bunks in
> place--turning the center of
> the boat into one big bed, and slept well. The next
> morning we went
> back to dock where we picked up 8 additional
> passengers, Dianne's sons
> and their kids, and went down river to see what we
> could see. One of
> the islands (named Rhett's Island oddly enough) had
> a raging marsh
> fire. We investigated thinking we might see some
> fleeing wildlife.
> It was a fairly impressive sight. We then thought
> to have lunch at a
> local restaurant at a nearby marina, but I lost my
> way and we wound up
> using most of our ships stores on a single meal for
> 10. And the kids
> became enamoured of the porta-pottie, each of them
> going at least
> twice on the 4 hour trip. One of them took up
> residence, preferring
> the peace of sitting alone on the throne away from
> the madding crowd.
> Dianne is a sucker for the grandkids, so when we
> dropped the guests
> off for the night, she schemed on keeping three of
> girls with us
> overnight. We returned to our previous anchorage
> and spent the night
> with the girls. Most of the evening they played
> cards and accused
> each other of cheating fairly oblivious to their
> surroundings. But in
> the morning when the world lit up again, they had a
> blast sitting out
> on the front deck as we idled along the
> river-pointing out logs that
> looked like "Aligators" and shelling and eating
> sunflower seeds. We
> found the restaurant at the marina for lunch and
> dropped the kids off
> with their mothers. We took my parents for a short
> ride, just to show
> off our new toy. Then we took her out and rode
> home.
> Our second trip was longer and more peaceful. We
> put in for four
> days, spending most of it fishing, eating, and
> sleeping on the
> backside of Blackbeard Island. We were fishing for
> Sheephead using
> fiddlers for bait, but we wound up catching two
> really nice redfish.
> About two pounds each. I cooked really fancy meals
> on the campstove,
> and Dianne studied as usual. We saw porpoises and
> pelicans and otters
> and walked the beach in the wind, until our ears got
> extremely cold.
> It was Monday afternoon before we knew it and we
> didn't want to come
> back.
> One day soon we will leave the boat out long enough
> to paint and
> decorate and make it our own, but not this weekend!
> We are going out
> again, just for two days, but the weather is
> supposed to be clear and
> warm. Sam is right, Coastal Georgia is a Topaz
> paradise. We'll take
> more and better pictures this time, we promise.
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock
> <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
> >
> > In fact,I'll
> > > betcha there are
> > > alot of folks who would love to see many many
> more
> > > pictures of
> > > her,inside and out,placed in one of the "files"
> > > sections(not photo
> > > since the pics are too small ) of one of the
> Bolger
> > > groups.
> >
> > That would be up to Rhett, of this group, who is
> now
> > her owner, down in the Georgia low country. What
> a
> > paradise for shallow draft boats. I just got a
> > digital camera before I delivered her--if I had
> had
> > one a few years ago you would have been sick of
> > pictures of Spat by now. By the time Rhett got
> her,
> > she was pretty tired looking--I 'spect he will
> renew
> > the upholstry and paint, and get her sharp again.
> > I'll stick the digital pictures I have in a file
> > section, however. Sam
> >
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>
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Okay, after pestering Sam about posting photos on the group for months
when I was thinking about building a Topaz--and even going to see his
Topaz in Delaware. I ultimately bought his fine craft.
So now I can climb aboard and look at her anytime I want from any angle.
Dianne and I have used her twice. Unfortunatly we didn't take many
pictures. I have posted 3 or 4 in Bolger 5 Photos section in a folder
named TOPAZ.
Our first trip, we launched on a Friday evening, in 30 mph winds with
lows in the 30s, just before dark. The wind pushed us around
mercilessly as I was timid with the motor at first. We were blown
into one side of the channel or the other as I tried to get pointed
upriver into the wind while just above idle. Finally I wised up and
gave her some gas. Then we were fine. The wind was whipping and the
waves were capping even in the small river, and the boat just cut
through without trouble. The wind was a little troublesome but as
long as I stayed above 4 knots I could compensate. We had more
trouble anchoring, in which we are also inexperienced. In the AF4 we
typically beach or run up in some slew. I picked a spot downwind of a
small islet hoping to get some protection from the wind. But we had
only the 20 lb mushroom anchor from the AF4 and I dropped it further
out in the channel than usual thinking to avoid sitting on mud part of
the night at low tide. The wind forced us against the far side of the
channel in no time, dragging anchor, into some dead trees. We had a
dickens of a time getting out, fighting against the wind and trying to
get anything other than sideways to the bank. After a tense 30 minutes
of inching this way and that and listening to branches scrape the
boat, we did manage to get off and back across the channel to the
protected side. This time anchored right up on the islet completely
out of the wind and had no more troubles. Dianne was a little
stressed, but eventually we unwound. We turned on the dickenson
propane heater, dried off, and settled into our new digs. The heater
did a fine job, despite their being a definite draft around the
windows. We were happy and toasty. Dianne studied while I read a
good mystery novel, and we munched on mixed nuts. We eventually put
the center piece between the two bunks in place--turning the center of
the boat into one big bed, and slept well. The next morning we went
back to dock where we picked up 8 additional passengers, Dianne's sons
and their kids, and went down river to see what we could see. One of
the islands (named Rhett's Island oddly enough) had a raging marsh
fire. We investigated thinking we might see some fleeing wildlife.
It was a fairly impressive sight. We then thought to have lunch at a
local restaurant at a nearby marina, but I lost my way and we wound up
using most of our ships stores on a single meal for 10. And the kids
became enamoured of the porta-pottie, each of them going at least
twice on the 4 hour trip. One of them took up residence, preferring
the peace of sitting alone on the throne away from the madding crowd.
Dianne is a sucker for the grandkids, so when we dropped the guests
off for the night, she schemed on keeping three of girls with us
overnight. We returned to our previous anchorage and spent the night
with the girls. Most of the evening they played cards and accused
each other of cheating fairly oblivious to their surroundings. But in
the morning when the world lit up again, they had a blast sitting out
on the front deck as we idled along the river-pointing out logs that
looked like "Aligators" and shelling and eating sunflower seeds. We
found the restaurant at the marina for lunch and dropped the kids off
with their mothers. We took my parents for a short ride, just to show
off our new toy. Then we took her out and rode home.
Our second trip was longer and more peaceful. We put in for four
days, spending most of it fishing, eating, and sleeping on the
backside of Blackbeard Island. We were fishing for Sheephead using
fiddlers for bait, but we wound up catching two really nice redfish.
About two pounds each. I cooked really fancy meals on the campstove,
and Dianne studied as usual. We saw porpoises and pelicans and otters
and walked the beach in the wind, until our ears got extremely cold.
It was Monday afternoon before we knew it and we didn't want to come
back.
One day soon we will leave the boat out long enough to paint and
decorate and make it our own, but not this weekend! We are going out
again, just for two days, but the weather is supposed to be clear and
warm. Sam is right, Coastal Georgia is a Topaz paradise. We'll take
more and better pictures this time, we promise.
when I was thinking about building a Topaz--and even going to see his
Topaz in Delaware. I ultimately bought his fine craft.
So now I can climb aboard and look at her anytime I want from any angle.
Dianne and I have used her twice. Unfortunatly we didn't take many
pictures. I have posted 3 or 4 in Bolger 5 Photos section in a folder
named TOPAZ.
Our first trip, we launched on a Friday evening, in 30 mph winds with
lows in the 30s, just before dark. The wind pushed us around
mercilessly as I was timid with the motor at first. We were blown
into one side of the channel or the other as I tried to get pointed
upriver into the wind while just above idle. Finally I wised up and
gave her some gas. Then we were fine. The wind was whipping and the
waves were capping even in the small river, and the boat just cut
through without trouble. The wind was a little troublesome but as
long as I stayed above 4 knots I could compensate. We had more
trouble anchoring, in which we are also inexperienced. In the AF4 we
typically beach or run up in some slew. I picked a spot downwind of a
small islet hoping to get some protection from the wind. But we had
only the 20 lb mushroom anchor from the AF4 and I dropped it further
out in the channel than usual thinking to avoid sitting on mud part of
the night at low tide. The wind forced us against the far side of the
channel in no time, dragging anchor, into some dead trees. We had a
dickens of a time getting out, fighting against the wind and trying to
get anything other than sideways to the bank. After a tense 30 minutes
of inching this way and that and listening to branches scrape the
boat, we did manage to get off and back across the channel to the
protected side. This time anchored right up on the islet completely
out of the wind and had no more troubles. Dianne was a little
stressed, but eventually we unwound. We turned on the dickenson
propane heater, dried off, and settled into our new digs. The heater
did a fine job, despite their being a definite draft around the
windows. We were happy and toasty. Dianne studied while I read a
good mystery novel, and we munched on mixed nuts. We eventually put
the center piece between the two bunks in place--turning the center of
the boat into one big bed, and slept well. The next morning we went
back to dock where we picked up 8 additional passengers, Dianne's sons
and their kids, and went down river to see what we could see. One of
the islands (named Rhett's Island oddly enough) had a raging marsh
fire. We investigated thinking we might see some fleeing wildlife.
It was a fairly impressive sight. We then thought to have lunch at a
local restaurant at a nearby marina, but I lost my way and we wound up
using most of our ships stores on a single meal for 10. And the kids
became enamoured of the porta-pottie, each of them going at least
twice on the 4 hour trip. One of them took up residence, preferring
the peace of sitting alone on the throne away from the madding crowd.
Dianne is a sucker for the grandkids, so when we dropped the guests
off for the night, she schemed on keeping three of girls with us
overnight. We returned to our previous anchorage and spent the night
with the girls. Most of the evening they played cards and accused
each other of cheating fairly oblivious to their surroundings. But in
the morning when the world lit up again, they had a blast sitting out
on the front deck as we idled along the river-pointing out logs that
looked like "Aligators" and shelling and eating sunflower seeds. We
found the restaurant at the marina for lunch and dropped the kids off
with their mothers. We took my parents for a short ride, just to show
off our new toy. Then we took her out and rode home.
Our second trip was longer and more peaceful. We put in for four
days, spending most of it fishing, eating, and sleeping on the
backside of Blackbeard Island. We were fishing for Sheephead using
fiddlers for bait, but we wound up catching two really nice redfish.
About two pounds each. I cooked really fancy meals on the campstove,
and Dianne studied as usual. We saw porpoises and pelicans and otters
and walked the beach in the wind, until our ears got extremely cold.
It was Monday afternoon before we knew it and we didn't want to come
back.
One day soon we will leave the boat out long enough to paint and
decorate and make it our own, but not this weekend! We are going out
again, just for two days, but the weather is supposed to be clear and
warm. Sam is right, Coastal Georgia is a Topaz paradise. We'll take
more and better pictures this time, we promise.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
>
> In fact,I'll
> > betcha there are
> > alot of folks who would love to see many many more
> > pictures of
> > her,inside and out,placed in one of the "files"
> > sections(not photo
> > since the pics are too small ) of one of the Bolger
> > groups.
>
> That would be up to Rhett, of this group, who is now
> her owner, down in the Georgia low country. What a
> paradise for shallow draft boats. I just got a
> digital camera before I delivered her--if I had had
> one a few years ago you would have been sick of
> pictures of Spat by now. By the time Rhett got her,
> she was pretty tired looking--I 'spect he will renew
> the upholstry and paint, and get her sharp again.
> I'll stick the digital pictures I have in a file
> section, however. Sam
>
> __________________________________________________
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric green" <ericgreen@...> wrote:
Forgive me for saying so but your questions are very
appropriate.However,I must confess that the cost to date is unknown
to me(I rather prefer it that way ) and I will only know once she is
launched and I take off for a weekend,anchored in some secluded cove
and accompanied by all my bills and a big bottle of port.That
way,all my wailing and gnashing of teeth will not trouble the
neighbours as I add up the final grand total cost :-)
Bu my humble estimate,I hope to be launched by this coming July
and I figure,ha,ha, that I am about 85% complete at this point. I
may well be very wrong with this estimate but I am an optimist at
heart :-D
Sorry for not being more precise but remember,your cost will
undoubtedly be very different since alot of my stuff was bought in
2001,2002,2003,in Canada and as such your own abilities to get good
deals along with your own personal standard,material choice
wise,will corrupt any estimate I may offer.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,looking forward to that day where I am hopefully not
drowning in my own tears,be they from joy or utter disbelief,in that
quiet cove with a bottle of the good stuff.........
> You may have been asked this before, but I cannot find it. Howmany hours do
> you estimate it will take you to finish the boat? How many $$$ (ifthis is
> not too personal)? What % complete are you at this date?Eric,
Forgive me for saying so but your questions are very
appropriate.However,I must confess that the cost to date is unknown
to me(I rather prefer it that way ) and I will only know once she is
launched and I take off for a weekend,anchored in some secluded cove
and accompanied by all my bills and a big bottle of port.That
way,all my wailing and gnashing of teeth will not trouble the
neighbours as I add up the final grand total cost :-)
Bu my humble estimate,I hope to be launched by this coming July
and I figure,ha,ha, that I am about 85% complete at this point. I
may well be very wrong with this estimate but I am an optimist at
heart :-D
Sorry for not being more precise but remember,your cost will
undoubtedly be very different since alot of my stuff was bought in
2001,2002,2003,in Canada and as such your own abilities to get good
deals along with your own personal standard,material choice
wise,will corrupt any estimate I may offer.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,looking forward to that day where I am hopefully not
drowning in my own tears,be they from joy or utter disbelief,in that
quiet cove with a bottle of the good stuff.........
Peter,
You may have been asked this before, but I cannot find it. How many hours do
you estimate it will take you to finish the boat? How many $$$ (if this is
not too personal)? What % complete are you at this date?
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Lenihan
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:21 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Windermere Seaworthyness (Coastal Cruising)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce C. Dillahunty" <bdillahu@...>
wrote:
me that she is not an ocean crosser,not a heavy all weather boat and
certainly not indistructable.She is intended as a two-some full time
live-a-board boat with potential four season service if insulated
per plan.Her scant 12" fully loaded draft makes her the perfect near
shore,shallow river and canal cruiser.Also,her power plant(50hp) is
there to make cruising up-stream on big rivers(that is, with
currents) uneventful.
Think of her as a stylish houseboat.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Windermere builder..........
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You may have been asked this before, but I cannot find it. How many hours do
you estimate it will take you to finish the boat? How many $$$ (if this is
not too personal)? What % complete are you at this date?
Eric
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Windermere Seaworthyness (Coastal Cruising)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce C. Dillahunty" <bdillahu@...>
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> OK, so I'll ask the obvious (to me) question... what condition wasPCB&Fs refer to her as a coastal esturary cruiser.This suggests to
> Windermere designed for?
>
> Bruce
me that she is not an ocean crosser,not a heavy all weather boat and
certainly not indistructable.She is intended as a two-some full time
live-a-board boat with potential four season service if insulated
per plan.Her scant 12" fully loaded draft makes her the perfect near
shore,shallow river and canal cruiser.Also,her power plant(50hp) is
there to make cruising up-stream on big rivers(that is, with
currents) uneventful.
Think of her as a stylish houseboat.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Windermere builder..........
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce C. Dillahunty" <bdillahu@...>
wrote:
me that she is not an ocean crosser,not a heavy all weather boat and
certainly not indistructable.She is intended as a two-some full time
live-a-board boat with potential four season service if insulated
per plan.Her scant 12" fully loaded draft makes her the perfect near
shore,shallow river and canal cruiser.Also,her power plant(50hp) is
there to make cruising up-stream on big rivers(that is, with
currents) uneventful.
Think of her as a stylish houseboat.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Windermere builder..........
wrote:
> OK, so I'll ask the obvious (to me) question... what condition wasPCB&Fs refer to her as a coastal esturary cruiser.This suggests to
> Windermere designed for?
>
> Bruce
me that she is not an ocean crosser,not a heavy all weather boat and
certainly not indistructable.She is intended as a two-some full time
live-a-board boat with potential four season service if insulated
per plan.Her scant 12" fully loaded draft makes her the perfect near
shore,shallow river and canal cruiser.Also,her power plant(50hp) is
there to make cruising up-stream on big rivers(that is, with
currents) uneventful.
Think of her as a stylish houseboat.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,Windermere builder..........
eric green wrote:
answer in good detail.
Jim
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>I second this. It is a concise statement of the question I meant to ask butPerhaps a fax or a piece of snail mail to the Bolgers would get that
>didn�t.
>
>
>
>>OK, so I'll ask the obvious (to me) question... what condition was
>>Windermere designed for?
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>
>Eric
>
>
>
answer in good detail.
Jim
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I second this. It is a concise statement of the question I meant to ask but
didn’t.
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didn’t.
>OK, so I'll ask the obvious (to me) question... what condition wasEric
>Windermere designed for?
>
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James Pope wrote:
Windermere designed for?
Bruce
>Windermere's seaworthiness - What a curious thread!OK, so I'll ask the obvious (to me) question... what condition was
>
>Is the question whether or not the vessel can withstand the sea
>conditions for which she was designed. If so the answer is of course she
>can. All anyone has to do is to look at the pictures of her construction
>and the answer is obvious.
>
>
Windermere designed for?
Bruce
> Phil Bolger would be the first to admit that the sea can overcome anyI recall reading the PB&F believe that their design, Col. Hassler,
> ship upon it.
could likely survive anything the sea could throw at it, up to, and
perhaps including, being run over and dragged full length under a
Supertanker. Malaysian Pirates? I am not so sure.
Windermere's seaworthiness - What a curious thread!
Is the question whether or not the vessel can withstand the sea
conditions for which she was designed. If so the answer is of course she
can. All anyone has to do is to look at the pictures of her construction
and the answer is obvious.
If the question is whether or not she could be used as a life boat on
year round service on the Northwest coast the answer is of course not.
Why? All that glass and heavily breaking seas would not be a safe
combination. She would need a lot more power too.
But there is another dimension that should be added to the discussion.
The quality of the seamanship with which she would likely be handled.
Long, arduous and dangerous voyages have been made in some absurdly
inappropriate boats, Bligh's crossing of the whole Pacific ocean, the
Gloucester, Massachusetts, fisherman who crossed the Atlantic in an open
dory come to mind as examples of extreme seamanship. Both Bligh and
Blackburn would have exulted in Windermere.
Phil Bolger would be the first to admit that the sea can overcome any
ship upon it. But boats built to his design can probably withstand more
and worse conditions than the people who sail them can. He will
cheerfully tell anyone who asks the service for which a given one of his
designs is intended. Hopefully a person who is building one will not
make a change that would negatively alter the boat's stability or weaken
the hull. The boat thus changed wouldn't be his design anymore and I've
heard him say so about one under construction. But do it like he says
and, yup, the boat is indeed seaworthy, whether its Windermere or a Brick.
Jim (pompous as usual) Pope
Is the question whether or not the vessel can withstand the sea
conditions for which she was designed. If so the answer is of course she
can. All anyone has to do is to look at the pictures of her construction
and the answer is obvious.
If the question is whether or not she could be used as a life boat on
year round service on the Northwest coast the answer is of course not.
Why? All that glass and heavily breaking seas would not be a safe
combination. She would need a lot more power too.
But there is another dimension that should be added to the discussion.
The quality of the seamanship with which she would likely be handled.
Long, arduous and dangerous voyages have been made in some absurdly
inappropriate boats, Bligh's crossing of the whole Pacific ocean, the
Gloucester, Massachusetts, fisherman who crossed the Atlantic in an open
dory come to mind as examples of extreme seamanship. Both Bligh and
Blackburn would have exulted in Windermere.
Phil Bolger would be the first to admit that the sea can overcome any
ship upon it. But boats built to his design can probably withstand more
and worse conditions than the people who sail them can. He will
cheerfully tell anyone who asks the service for which a given one of his
designs is intended. Hopefully a person who is building one will not
make a change that would negatively alter the boat's stability or weaken
the hull. The boat thus changed wouldn't be his design anymore and I've
heard him say so about one under construction. But do it like he says
and, yup, the boat is indeed seaworthy, whether its Windermere or a Brick.
Jim (pompous as usual) Pope
> As to your spouses desire for a flush toilette and showerI was thinking of a composting toilet, although I have not been completely
> stall......it is not on the plans. What is offered instead is the not-
> yet-famous Bolger DLD head and the possibility of using the head
> compartment for a quicky shower. The DLD concept may take some fine
> wordings from you to your spouse to convince her that it is anything
> other then an outhouse arrangement, the DLD standing for Don't Look
> Down...............Mind you, if you both have had lots of camping
> experience and/or small boat adventures, the privacy afforded by at
> least a fully enclosed head will be a plus in the right
> direction, not to mention the private space to shower.
convinced that they work. Part of the problem is that I am a backpacker
and she is a campground tent camper (You know, the kind with bathhouses.
She likes a shower every day or two, I can make it 10 days. Of course,
if I was with her, rather than a bunch of smelly guys on a backpacking
trip, I might have more incentive to shower every day!
> You are also a rather tall drink of water and may find yourselfPeter, that is why they make 4x10 sheets of plywood. After spending
> having to bend your head a bit in places as you stroll around
> inside....the full length use of 4X8 plywood for the sides self-
> limits any thoughts of raising the roof any higher :-( ....that
> is, unless you lower the sole to get space for your 6'8".
time in an RV with a 6'6" headroom, I would never have a live-aboard
boat with less than 6'10" of headroom. The cost of cutting down 10 long
sheets of ply is insignificant relative to my neck being straight.
> I would love to hear what you consider a "reasonable amount ofReasonable is in the eye of the beholder. I figure that means something
> time" to build along with whatever response you may gather from our
> Hero regarding your questions.
I can build with 2000-2500 hours of work. Temper this with the fact that
I am a hands-on, experienced, engineer, carpenter, mechanic and machinist.
I have built and/or repaired about one of everything before, so I tend to
work relatively fast and make few mistakes (usually, not always).
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The recent discussion about coastal
cruising/passagemaking in Bolger boxes has made me
wonder whether anyone in the group has a
recommendation for a passagemaking guide for the
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean region under power. I know
there are many cruising guides out there with
routes/currents/weather information for sailboats, but
anybody know of a similar book for light displacement
power cruisers, who don't seek to exploit the wind as
much as avoid it altogether?
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cruising/passagemaking in Bolger boxes has made me
wonder whether anyone in the group has a
recommendation for a passagemaking guide for the
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean region under power. I know
there are many cruising guides out there with
routes/currents/weather information for sailboats, but
anybody know of a similar book for light displacement
power cruisers, who don't seek to exploit the wind as
much as avoid it altogether?
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In fact,I'll
her owner, down in the Georgia low country. What a
paradise for shallow draft boats. I just got a
digital camera before I delivered her--if I had had
one a few years ago you would have been sick of
pictures of Spat by now. By the time Rhett got her,
she was pretty tired looking--I 'spect he will renew
the upholstry and paint, and get her sharp again.
I'll stick the digital pictures I have in a file
section, however. Sam
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> betcha there areThat would be up to Rhett, of this group, who is now
> alot of folks who would love to see many many more
> pictures of
> her,inside and out,placed in one of the "files"
> sections(not photo
> since the pics are too small ) of one of the Bolger
> groups.
her owner, down in the Georgia low country. What a
paradise for shallow draft boats. I just got a
digital camera before I delivered her--if I had had
one a few years ago you would have been sick of
pictures of Spat by now. By the time Rhett got her,
she was pretty tired looking--I 'spect he will renew
the upholstry and paint, and get her sharp again.
I'll stick the digital pictures I have in a file
section, however. Sam
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric green" <ericgreen@A...> wrote:
I do not know if any other Windermeres have been launched yet
but I am building one and having the time of my life doing so.This
summer is my target launch date.
The boat is an esturary/coastal cruiser capable of a couple of weeks
worth of shore side autonomy.That is,you need not spend every night
at a marina for supplies etc....As designed,she has significant
reserves of both fuel,water and electrics and can also be fully
insulated for serious 4 season live-a-board duty.
As to seaworthyness,I do not know yet :-) But,based on the
wonderfully successful Champlain design(smaller model of
Windermere),these square shapes,with all their important weight kept
down low are remarkably stable platforms and with Windermeres' load
of 12 batteries in two banks(1832lbs), gives her close to self
righting capabilities providing no windows/doors are open during a
knock down.If insulated as per plans,she is also very much
unsinkable.
Of course,the prudent sailor will always keep an eye out for
the weather and not take reckless chances.With Windermeres' glorious
almost panoramic view on the outside world and her scant 12 inch
loaded draft, I would imagine that anyone doing the"inside passage"
will naturally want to hug the shore for some stunning nature vistas
and with such a shallow draft be able to quickly tuck into a shallow
cove for shelter from some really nasty weather.
With her presribed 50hp outboard for main propulsion,her
expected cruising speed is around 6.5 to 7 knots. Not the sort of
speed that will let you out-run any approaching foul weather thus
keeping a good eye on the weather is all the more important.
As to your spouses desire for a flush toilette and shower
stall......it is not on the plans.What is offered instead is the not-
yet-famous Bolger DLD head and the possibility of using the head
compartment for a quicky shower.The DLD concept may take some fine
wordings from you to your spouse to convince her that it is anything
other then an outhouse arrangement,the DLD standing for Don't Look
Down...............Mind you,if you both have had lots of camping
experience and/or small boat adventures,the privacy afforded by at
least a fully enclosed head will be a plus in the right
direction,not to mention the private space to shower.
You are also a rather tall drink of water and may find yourself
having to bend your head a bit in places as you stroll around
inside....the full length use of 4X8 plywood for the sides self-
limits any thoughts of raising the roof any higher :-( ....that
is,unless you lower the sole to get space for your 6'8". At 6',I
roam about inside with neary a thought of what is over head :-)
I would love to hear what you consider a "reasonable amount of
time" to build along with whatever response you may gather from our
Hero regarding your questions.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, winter Windermere builder............
>Bolger has
> Has the master or any builders of Windermere ever commented on the
> seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am wondering if Mr.
> ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats would be, inhis
> opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastalcruising such as
> the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau. Any comments from thoseof you
> who have read all of his MAIB columns?for "light"
>
>
>
> His commentary on Topaz states it would be considered acceptable
> coasting, but I am not certain what this means, plus the boat isMost
> significantly smaller (in terms of cabin space) than Windermere.
> importantly, my wife states the cabin is too small, and has nixedthe Topaz.
> She has offered tentative approval of Windermere, contingent to medrawing
> the plan to scale with chalk on the shop floor. She really wants aboat with
> a full bathroom (flush toilet and shower), but I think I have herconvinced
> that this is not realistic in a boat that I can both build in areasonable
> amount of time and tow behind a pickup.Bolger.
>
>
>
> Obviously, what I really need to do is fax the question to Mr.
> Thanks for any feedback.Hi Eric,
I do not know if any other Windermeres have been launched yet
but I am building one and having the time of my life doing so.This
summer is my target launch date.
The boat is an esturary/coastal cruiser capable of a couple of weeks
worth of shore side autonomy.That is,you need not spend every night
at a marina for supplies etc....As designed,she has significant
reserves of both fuel,water and electrics and can also be fully
insulated for serious 4 season live-a-board duty.
As to seaworthyness,I do not know yet :-) But,based on the
wonderfully successful Champlain design(smaller model of
Windermere),these square shapes,with all their important weight kept
down low are remarkably stable platforms and with Windermeres' load
of 12 batteries in two banks(1832lbs), gives her close to self
righting capabilities providing no windows/doors are open during a
knock down.If insulated as per plans,she is also very much
unsinkable.
Of course,the prudent sailor will always keep an eye out for
the weather and not take reckless chances.With Windermeres' glorious
almost panoramic view on the outside world and her scant 12 inch
loaded draft, I would imagine that anyone doing the"inside passage"
will naturally want to hug the shore for some stunning nature vistas
and with such a shallow draft be able to quickly tuck into a shallow
cove for shelter from some really nasty weather.
With her presribed 50hp outboard for main propulsion,her
expected cruising speed is around 6.5 to 7 knots. Not the sort of
speed that will let you out-run any approaching foul weather thus
keeping a good eye on the weather is all the more important.
As to your spouses desire for a flush toilette and shower
stall......it is not on the plans.What is offered instead is the not-
yet-famous Bolger DLD head and the possibility of using the head
compartment for a quicky shower.The DLD concept may take some fine
wordings from you to your spouse to convince her that it is anything
other then an outhouse arrangement,the DLD standing for Don't Look
Down...............Mind you,if you both have had lots of camping
experience and/or small boat adventures,the privacy afforded by at
least a fully enclosed head will be a plus in the right
direction,not to mention the private space to shower.
You are also a rather tall drink of water and may find yourself
having to bend your head a bit in places as you stroll around
inside....the full length use of 4X8 plywood for the sides self-
limits any thoughts of raising the roof any higher :-( ....that
is,unless you lower the sole to get space for your 6'8". At 6',I
roam about inside with neary a thought of what is over head :-)
I would love to hear what you consider a "reasonable amount of
time" to build along with whatever response you may gather from our
Hero regarding your questions.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan, winter Windermere builder............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@y...>
wrote:
She is indeed a very pretty boat! In fact,I'll betcha there are
alot of folks who would love to see many many more pictures of
her,inside and out,placed in one of the "files" sections(not photo
since the pics are too small ) of one of the Bolger groups.
Love the tropical blue of her too!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,only a wee bit envious..:-)
wrote:
>Sam,
> I managed to loose the picture off this post, so I
> loaded it to Bolger4photos as "Cam 1 071" (Yeah, I
> fouled up the caption, too. Anyway, she is a pretty
> little boat, I think). Sam
She is indeed a very pretty boat! In fact,I'll betcha there are
alot of folks who would love to see many many more pictures of
her,inside and out,placed in one of the "files" sections(not photo
since the pics are too small ) of one of the Bolger groups.
Love the tropical blue of her too!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,only a wee bit envious..:-)
Nels,
I have read the Delaware write-up. Very appealing to me as a weekend boat.
However, we are looking for something that we can spend 7-10 days on the
boat. Personally, I would go nuts in Delaware with the relatively small
cabin. In addition, I am 6�8� tall, so I have to look for a boat where I
can raise the roof without causing significant problems. This boat does not
look like it would enjoy lifting the roof 10 inches.
Eric Green
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Nels
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:21 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Windermere Seaworthyness (Coastal Cruising)
I have read the Delaware write-up. Very appealing to me as a weekend boat.
However, we are looking for something that we can spend 7-10 days on the
boat. Personally, I would go nuts in Delaware with the relatively small
cabin. In addition, I am 6�8� tall, so I have to look for a boat where I
can raise the roof without causing significant problems. This boat does not
look like it would enjoy lifting the roof 10 inches.
Eric Green
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Nels
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 8:21 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Windermere Seaworthyness (Coastal Cruising)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric green" <ericgreen@A...> wrote:
>
> Has the master or any builders of Windermere ever commented on the
> seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am wondering if Mr.
Bolger has
> ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats would be, in
his
> opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastal
cruising such as
> the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau. Any comments from those
of you
> who have read all of his MAIB columns?
>
>
You might consider what he has to say about Deleware, which they
claim could do the coast of Labrador. And would be lighter to
trailer than Windermere. I heard a rumour that if they finalize the
plans, it may be re-named Labrador (?)
There is a write-up here if you have good eyes:-)
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20Trawler/
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Bruce,
I think that in the size of boat that we are discussing here, �trailerable�
becomes a very subjective term. While I realize Dakota has been trailered (I
have seen the photos), I think I would be scared to haul something that size
from Texas to Washington. Additionally, I understand that there are big
problems launching Dakota from a trailer. While generally I would not have a
problem having it launched and loaded using a lift (I can�t image I would be
launching and loading the boat more than 3-4 times year even if I am lucky
so the cost would not kill me), it would be nice to be able to launch the
boat oneself in less developed areas (All those fiord-like lakes in BC keep
coming to me in my dreams).
OTOH, Dakota is a very appealing boat ignoring the transportation issues.
Eric Green
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design Dakota, with the addition that the Deutz diesel / Sonic
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I think that in the size of boat that we are discussing here, �trailerable�
becomes a very subjective term. While I realize Dakota has been trailered (I
have seen the photos), I think I would be scared to haul something that size
from Texas to Washington. Additionally, I understand that there are big
problems launching Dakota from a trailer. While generally I would not have a
problem having it launched and loaded using a lift (I can�t image I would be
launching and loading the boat more than 3-4 times year even if I am lucky
so the cost would not kill me), it would be nice to be able to launch the
boat oneself in less developed areas (All those fiord-like lakes in BC keep
coming to me in my dreams).
OTOH, Dakota is a very appealing boat ignoring the transportation issues.
Eric Green
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>in hisas
> opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastal cruising such
> the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau.I asked PB&F this question almost exactly, and the suggested their
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>in hisI asked PB&F this question almost exactly, and the suggested their
> opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastal cruising such as
> the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau.
design Dakota, with the addition that the Deutz diesel / Sonic
outdrive would be a good choice.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric green" <ericgreen@A...> wrote:
claim could do the coast of Labrador. And would be lighter to
trailer than Windermere. I heard a rumour that if they finalize the
plans, it may be re-named Labrador (?)
There is a write-up here if you have good eyes:-)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Delaware%
20Trawler/
Nels
>Bolger has
> Has the master or any builders of Windermere ever commented on the
> seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am wondering if Mr.
> ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats would be, inhis
> opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastalcruising such as
> the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau. Any comments from thoseof you
> who have read all of his MAIB columns?You might consider what he has to say about Deleware, which they
>
>
claim could do the coast of Labrador. And would be lighter to
trailer than Windermere. I heard a rumour that if they finalize the
plans, it may be re-named Labrador (?)
There is a write-up here if you have good eyes:-)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Delaware%
20Trawler/
Nels
Mr. Bolger has indicate to me that Topaz would be
acceptable for crossing to and cruising the Bahamas,
assuming one waited for the weather.
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acceptable for crossing to and cruising the Bahamas,
assuming one waited for the weather.
--- eric green <ericgreen@...> wrote:
> Has the master or any builders of Windermere ever__________________________________________________
> commented on the
> seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am
> wondering if Mr. Bolger has
> ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats
> would be, in his
> opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer)
> coastal cruising such as
> the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau. Any
> comments from those of you
> who have read all of his MAIB columns?
>
>
>
> His commentary on Topaz states it would be
> considered acceptable for light
> coasting, but I am not certain what this means, plus
> the boat is
> significantly smaller (in terms of cabin space) than
> Windermere. Most
> importantly, my wife states the cabin is too small,
> and has nixed the Topaz.
> She has offered tentative approval of Windermere,
> contingent to me drawing
> the plan to scale with chalk on the shop floor. She
> really wants a boat with
> a full bathroom (flush toilet and shower), but I
> think I have her convinced
> that this is not realistic in a boat that I can both
> build in a reasonable
> amount of time and tow behind a pickup.
>
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>
> Obviously, what I really need to do is fax the
> question to Mr. Bolger.
> Thanks for any feedback.
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I wouldn't hesitate to take a Tennessee from Seattle to Juneau in the
summer, might have to wait a couple of days for wx on some of the legs.
HJ
eric green wrote:
summer, might have to wait a couple of days for wx on some of the legs.
HJ
eric green wrote:
> Has the master or any builders of Windermere ever commented on the
> seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am wondering if Mr. Bolger has
> ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats would be, in his
> opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastal cruising such as
> the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau. Any comments from those of you
> who have read all of his MAIB columns?
>
>
>
> His commentary on Topaz states it would be considered acceptable for “light”
> coasting, but I am not certain what this means, plus the boat is
> significantly smaller (in terms of cabin space) than Windermere. Most
> importantly, my wife states the cabin is too small, and has nixed the Topaz.
> She has offered tentative approval of Windermere, contingent to me drawing
> the plan to scale with chalk on the shop floor. She really wants a boat with
> a full bathroom (flush toilet and shower), but I think I have her convinced
> that this is not realistic in a boat that I can both build in a reasonable
> amount of time and tow behind a pickup.
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Has the master or any builders of Windermere ever commented on the
seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am wondering if Mr. Bolger has
ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats would be, in his
opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastal cruising such as
the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau. Any comments from those of you
who have read all of his MAIB columns?
His commentary on Topaz states it would be considered acceptable for �light�
coasting, but I am not certain what this means, plus the boat is
significantly smaller (in terms of cabin space) than Windermere. Most
importantly, my wife states the cabin is too small, and has nixed the Topaz.
She has offered tentative approval of Windermere, contingent to me drawing
the plan to scale with chalk on the shop floor. She really wants a boat with
a full bathroom (flush toilet and shower), but I think I have her convinced
that this is not realistic in a boat that I can both build in a reasonable
amount of time and tow behind a pickup.
Obviously, what I really need to do is fax the question to Mr. Bolger.
Thanks for any feedback.
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seaworthiness of this boat? Specifically, I am wondering if Mr. Bolger has
ever stated that any of his trailerable power boats would be, in his
opinion, acceptable for doing fair weather (summer) coastal cruising such as
the inside passage from Seattle to Juneau. Any comments from those of you
who have read all of his MAIB columns?
His commentary on Topaz states it would be considered acceptable for �light�
coasting, but I am not certain what this means, plus the boat is
significantly smaller (in terms of cabin space) than Windermere. Most
importantly, my wife states the cabin is too small, and has nixed the Topaz.
She has offered tentative approval of Windermere, contingent to me drawing
the plan to scale with chalk on the shop floor. She really wants a boat with
a full bathroom (flush toilet and shower), but I think I have her convinced
that this is not realistic in a boat that I can both build in a reasonable
amount of time and tow behind a pickup.
Obviously, what I really need to do is fax the question to Mr. Bolger.
Thanks for any feedback.
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I managed to loose the picture off this post, so I
loaded it to Bolger4photos as "Cam 1 071" (Yeah, I
fouled up the caption, too. Anyway, she is a pretty
little boat, I think). Sam
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little boat, I think). Sam
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The Katrina disaster caused the plywood mills to go off their
production schedule for fabricating MDO just at the time that I was
buying plywood. MDO was unavaiIable locally. Instead I used 1/2" fir
Rated Sheathing with 10 oz fiberglass each side. Not as good, but
good enough, and more timely.
Also, when I asked Phil Bolger about using MDO, he said "fine,
whatever", but he also said that I should not omit the fiberglass.
So any actual "work saved" with MDO would have been minimal. I like
the price/quality of the $18 five-ply 1/2" fir rated sheathing they
sell at Home Depot. I have used about 25+ sheets so far.
Personally, I would poke a hole in the end of the shop before I
altered the length of the boat. [Literally, I *did* poke a hole in
the end of my 20 foot shop!]
The panel expansions and bulkhead sizes and shape are all carefully
calculated and provide by Bolger as part of his design. Changing the
length would nullify all the dimensions, and force you to recalculate
them all by lofting. The provided dimensions *vastly* speeds up the
process of building this boat. I only have 80 hours into it and I have
all the plywood pieces fabricated except the seats, hatches, ceilings
and topsides.
production schedule for fabricating MDO just at the time that I was
buying plywood. MDO was unavaiIable locally. Instead I used 1/2" fir
Rated Sheathing with 10 oz fiberglass each side. Not as good, but
good enough, and more timely.
Also, when I asked Phil Bolger about using MDO, he said "fine,
whatever", but he also said that I should not omit the fiberglass.
So any actual "work saved" with MDO would have been minimal. I like
the price/quality of the $18 five-ply 1/2" fir rated sheathing they
sell at Home Depot. I have used about 25+ sheets so far.
Personally, I would poke a hole in the end of the shop before I
altered the length of the boat. [Literally, I *did* poke a hole in
the end of my 20 foot shop!]
The panel expansions and bulkhead sizes and shape are all carefully
calculated and provide by Bolger as part of his design. Changing the
length would nullify all the dimensions, and force you to recalculate
them all by lofting. The provided dimensions *vastly* speeds up the
process of building this boat. I only have 80 hours into it and I have
all the plywood pieces fabricated except the seats, hatches, ceilings
and topsides.
On 1/29/06, clydewis <clydewis@...> wrote:
> Bruce, now that you are well along in building, how are you finding
> working with MDO? Do you think one could cut 2 feet out of the middle
> of the Topaz hull. My shed is going to be 32ft long and I also don't
> need a 31ft boat. I was looking at the expansions and the offsets and
> thinking perhaps I could cut 2 feet out and still keep the shape. Clyde
>
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Bruce, now that you are well along in building, how are you finding
working with MDO? Do you think one could cut 2 feet out of the middle
of the Topaz hull. My shed is going to be 32ft long and I also don't
need a 31ft boat. I was looking at the expansions and the offsets and
thinking perhaps I could cut 2 feet out and still keep the shape. Clyde
working with MDO? Do you think one could cut 2 feet out of the middle
of the Topaz hull. My shed is going to be 32ft long and I also don't
need a 31ft boat. I was looking at the expansions and the offsets and
thinking perhaps I could cut 2 feet out and still keep the shape. Clyde
Hi Bob,
I'm building Topaz just north of NYC. And of course Sam
Glasscock on this list has launched his. And don't miss this
website:http://jboats.weblogger.com/
--Tim.
I'm building Topaz just north of NYC. And of course Sam
Glasscock on this list has launched his. And don't miss this
website:http://jboats.weblogger.com/
--Tim.
> Guess I'll be posting more often in the near future as it seemsI'm
> building a Topaz!Anyone else in the process?
>
> Bob
On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 07:16 PM, Bruce Hallman
<brucehallman@...> wrote:
hal
<brucehallman@...> wrote:
>> building a Topaz!Anyone else in the process?Can someone post a cartoon of the runabout version?
>
> Topaz, I want one!
>
> The Topaz is an exceptionally
> beautiful boat. Are you thinking
> of the 'cabin' version, or the
> 'runabout' version?
hal
Topaz runabout? Is there a drawing or photo?
Jeff
Jeff
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Topaz
> > building a Topaz!Anyone else in the process?
>
> Topaz, I want one!
>
> The Topaz is an exceptionally
> beautiful boat. Are you thinking
> of the 'cabin' version, or the
> 'runabout' version?
>
>
>
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> building a Topaz!Anyone else in the process?Topaz, I want one!
The Topaz is an exceptionally
beautiful boat. Are you thinking
of the 'cabin' version, or the
'runabout' version?
Had a very nice chat with Phil and Susanne about a powerboat for our
charter company here in St Thomas. The aim is a chase boat and a
means to deliver Champagne to some of our clients as well as being
able to get to the further edges of our local cruising grounds in the
event of an emergency.
We also added the requirements that it should also be handy for
fishing and diving excursions of a personal nature. Quick to build
and economical to run were also issues of some importance.
Topaz came up and P&S sent a cartoon and an article from
MAIB...Looked very interesting and put it into the short list
of "possibles"
Sheila ( the smart one in our partnership) came home saw the info and
said lets buy the plans! Check went out this afternoon...
Guess I'll be posting more often in the near future as it seems I'm
building a Topaz!Anyone else in the process?
Bob
charter company here in St Thomas. The aim is a chase boat and a
means to deliver Champagne to some of our clients as well as being
able to get to the further edges of our local cruising grounds in the
event of an emergency.
We also added the requirements that it should also be handy for
fishing and diving excursions of a personal nature. Quick to build
and economical to run were also issues of some importance.
Topaz came up and P&S sent a cartoon and an article from
MAIB...Looked very interesting and put it into the short list
of "possibles"
Sheila ( the smart one in our partnership) came home saw the info and
said lets buy the plans! Check went out this afternoon...
Guess I'll be posting more often in the near future as it seems I'm
building a Topaz!Anyone else in the process?
Bob
Everybody here has to look at Journy boats website, there are some
pictures of a brilliant Topaz, I have never - ever seen such a great
job, I love that boat, but I expect it is too complicated for me
like my other favorite the Champlain, so I now will start up easy
with cutting out some ply for the Idaho 31, in fact it also is a
nice design as have been overlooked. Many thanks to everybody for
helping me answering my quistions, if the project with the Idaho do
as I will, who knows, maybe I some day will built the Dreamboat
Wyoming!!
Claus
Denmark
NB: The photo journal on the construction is out of function, but it
should be ready very soon.
pictures of a brilliant Topaz, I have never - ever seen such a great
job, I love that boat, but I expect it is too complicated for me
like my other favorite the Champlain, so I now will start up easy
with cutting out some ply for the Idaho 31, in fact it also is a
nice design as have been overlooked. Many thanks to everybody for
helping me answering my quistions, if the project with the Idaho do
as I will, who knows, maybe I some day will built the Dreamboat
Wyoming!!
Claus
Denmark
NB: The photo journal on the construction is out of function, but it
should be ready very soon.
My experience has been that a well maintained outboard is just as
safe and reliable as a diesel.
Mike
safe and reliable as a diesel.
Mike
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> an
> inboard diesel is needed for reliability and safety.
>
> Thanks and regards, Tom
>
>
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In a message dated 7/17/2002 5:48:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
vachew@...writes:
person.
For me it is let than 10,000 lbs including the trailer. What ever it is I end
up building it must be low maintenance and capably of handling some coastal
weather, ea.: small chop say 6 foot seas. I have come to believe that power
is more efficient but sail is more fun. A pilot house is a must and an
inboard diesel is needed for reliability and safety.
Thanks and regards, Tom
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vachew@...writes:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Topaz/Good question, the def. of Max trailerable boat would vary from person to
>
person.
For me it is let than 10,000 lbs including the trailer. What ever it is I end
up building it must be low maintenance and capably of handling some coastal
weather, ea.: small chop say 6 foot seas. I have come to believe that power
is more efficient but sail is more fun. A pilot house is a must and an
inboard diesel is needed for reliability and safety.
Thanks and regards, Tom
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Brad,
How soon are you leaving? I would love to come down to Bellaire (from
Charlevoix) to see your Topaz.
Vince Chew (building Dakota)
How soon are you leaving? I would love to come down to Bellaire (from
Charlevoix) to see your Topaz.
Vince Chew (building Dakota)
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, " bradford raby" <sailormon@t...> wrote:
> For those in southern fl. you might see the topaz sliding by this winter. My catamaran down there has sold and I will be trailering the topaz down there to stay on and run about in. We will be at my docks near LaBelle and primarily on the west coast and perhaps the keys as well. All work has been suspended on the boat for the last one half of the summer due to work. Fl will allow us to perhaps finish the boat off. Hope to see a few of you folks down there. Brad and Connie Raby----boat name will be the same as my last two boats, Nantantia
Best wishes for your trip and I was wondering how do you pronounce
both your name and the boats name. I know it is a different spelling
but there has been three generations of plotographers in the Odgen
Utah area since the 1880s
thanks
jeffery
both your name and the boats name. I know it is a different spelling
but there has been three generations of plotographers in the Odgen
Utah area since the 1880s
thanks
jeffery
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, " bradford raby" <sailormon@t...> wrote:
> For those in southern fl. you might see the topaz sliding by this
winter. My catamaran down there has sold and I will be trailering
the
topaz down there to stay on and run about in. We will be at my docks
near LaBelle and primarily on the west coast and perhaps the keys as
well. All work has been suspended on the boat for the last one half
of the summer due to work. Fl will allow us to perhaps finish the
boat off. Hope to see a few of you folks down there. Brad and
Connie
Raby----boat name will be the same as my last two boats,
For those in southern fl. you might see the topaz sliding by
this winter. My catamaran down there has sold and I will be trailering the
topaz down there to stay on and run about in. We will be at my docks near
LaBelle and primarily on the west coast and perhaps the keys as well. All
work has been suspended on the boat for the last one half of the summer due to
work. Fl will allow us to perhaps finish the boat off. Hope to see a
few of you folks down there. Brad and Connie Raby----boat name will be the
same as my last two boats, Nantantia
Thanks for the come back, ref planning. In actuality, the boats angle of
attack is minimal, meaning 5 degrees or so. As I mentioned in early
mailing, I cannot even detect when it is in plane. The transition is
smooth with no sudden raising of the bow. I had my wife take some still
pix as well, I may scan one and send along to Chuck showing it at speed.
Don, I must defend my project. The topaz is 31'. I feel better now. In
fact, last night I adjusted the motor down to it's lowest setting, which
will help keep the nose pressed down somewhat. Will follow your advice and
use the power tilt to adjust from there. I am considering taking out the
pin that limits the down position altogether so as to have more latitude.
I went and looked at sneakeasy under power. The topaz fly's higher from
the water than seen in that picture. I don't think she is really heavy at
this point as well as having 75 hp.
Bill in MN. I am going to print your response for my notebook, what an
education. Thanks to all, Brad in Mi.
attack is minimal, meaning 5 degrees or so. As I mentioned in early
mailing, I cannot even detect when it is in plane. The transition is
smooth with no sudden raising of the bow. I had my wife take some still
pix as well, I may scan one and send along to Chuck showing it at speed.
Don, I must defend my project. The topaz is 31'. I feel better now. In
fact, last night I adjusted the motor down to it's lowest setting, which
will help keep the nose pressed down somewhat. Will follow your advice and
use the power tilt to adjust from there. I am considering taking out the
pin that limits the down position altogether so as to have more latitude.
I went and looked at sneakeasy under power. The topaz fly's higher from
the water than seen in that picture. I don't think she is really heavy at
this point as well as having 75 hp.
Bill in MN. I am going to print your response for my notebook, what an
education. Thanks to all, Brad in Mi.
I have a question of those more familiar with speed boats. A couple of
nights ago, Bolgers called and asked if I could get together a video of the
boat. This morning, my wife and I went to the lake and did just that.
However, upon veiwing the boat under power, I was surprised. In the video
at plane the bow was completely out of the water with the boat planing on
only the flat 1/2 to 2/3 of the hull. It feels fine doing this. But to
see the bow flying high was novel at best. This occurs between 15 mph and
26 mph. I did get some good speed vs rpm figures to work with as a result.
Is this a normal thing in flat bottomed speed boats? I am going to
adjust the motor down to the last notch and try again.
My only experience going this fast was in my last sailboat I built. We
reached over 22 knots in lake Mi. and it even sailed stern down a little.
By the way, this was a trimaran. Thanks in advance, Brad
nights ago, Bolgers called and asked if I could get together a video of the
boat. This morning, my wife and I went to the lake and did just that.
However, upon veiwing the boat under power, I was surprised. In the video
at plane the bow was completely out of the water with the boat planing on
only the flat 1/2 to 2/3 of the hull. It feels fine doing this. But to
see the bow flying high was novel at best. This occurs between 15 mph and
26 mph. I did get some good speed vs rpm figures to work with as a result.
Is this a normal thing in flat bottomed speed boats? I am going to
adjust the motor down to the last notch and try again.
My only experience going this fast was in my last sailboat I built. We
reached over 22 knots in lake Mi. and it even sailed stern down a little.
By the way, this was a trimaran. Thanks in advance, Brad
To Dennis, Tim, Les and others who have communicated personally, and those
who follow.
We have the brass installed fore and aft on the boat. I manufactured
mahogany bases and joins for the brass. Boy this is really nice with these
touches. I did not bring the brass full length as seen in the drawings. I
am also putting the finish on the foam core roof, also my addition. I am
using hatteras off white for the topsides above the red hull and the
combination is great. The swim platform is installed at the transom. This
too is changed and beefed up from the plans. I installed a cross bar that
impacts the prop in the down position. The prop is stopped of course and
the engine raised. The engine is used to hold the ladder in place rather
than rope.
I have run the boat in high winds and we are really impressed at the
outstanding smooth ride we get. I still can never really be sure when it
is planing as it just gets faster and there is no transition as with most
motor boats. I suppose this is true of long a skinny boat?????? To say I
am impressed with it is an understatement. As to beauty, it is a credit to
the designer. I have people stopping all the time just to comment, take
pictures or yell great things. And I am at the very end of a navigable
water way. I think it maintains a plane at 3000 rpm, and this is plenty
fast enough. I have had several people contact me about building the
Topaz. It is a lot of work and is certainly not a cheap boat to build, but
one worthy of the effort. The finished product is worth the effort
however. We, my wife and I are very happy with her at this point. Brad
who follow.
We have the brass installed fore and aft on the boat. I manufactured
mahogany bases and joins for the brass. Boy this is really nice with these
touches. I did not bring the brass full length as seen in the drawings. I
am also putting the finish on the foam core roof, also my addition. I am
using hatteras off white for the topsides above the red hull and the
combination is great. The swim platform is installed at the transom. This
too is changed and beefed up from the plans. I installed a cross bar that
impacts the prop in the down position. The prop is stopped of course and
the engine raised. The engine is used to hold the ladder in place rather
than rope.
I have run the boat in high winds and we are really impressed at the
outstanding smooth ride we get. I still can never really be sure when it
is planing as it just gets faster and there is no transition as with most
motor boats. I suppose this is true of long a skinny boat?????? To say I
am impressed with it is an understatement. As to beauty, it is a credit to
the designer. I have people stopping all the time just to comment, take
pictures or yell great things. And I am at the very end of a navigable
water way. I think it maintains a plane at 3000 rpm, and this is plenty
fast enough. I have had several people contact me about building the
Topaz. It is a lot of work and is certainly not a cheap boat to build, but
one worthy of the effort. The finished product is worth the effort
however. We, my wife and I are very happy with her at this point. Brad
I am writing for those interested as well as the designer in this case as
this is followed by the B's. As I mentioned, there was a design problem in
the transom enclosing the motor when the motor was lifted. I went ahead
and notched out about one foot of the aft corner almost to the boot stripe.
Then lifted the motor to as high a position as would be used in really
shallow water. It worked, the prop is now clear of the sides. I also feel
there will be an indirect result of this cutting away. It seems to me, if
you take two sides and angle them in behind the hidden transom and below
the water line, this constriction will cause a lot of turbulence and slow
the vessel down. As the cut is submerged and will not show anyhow, it
might be a good idea not to carry the hull aft at all below the water line.
I have the engine installed minus the steering. I still waiting for the
steering cable. I am using a big T teleflex which was a spare for my large
sailboat having converted it to hydraulic steering this last fall. If
anyone is installing a large remote engine such as I am doing and cannot
read wiring diagrams, I would suggest going to your dealer and have them
rig it. I got away with it, but confess to having other life experiences
that allowed me to fudge through. The dash has all the instruments mounted
now and is looking like the cockpit of an airplane. As I told Les, I have
some instruments left over from building my last plane and might???????put
in the altimeter for kicks and conversation. The compass for sure. I am
surprised at the pleasure in building a motor driven vessel, as all my
other projects have been sail. I suppose it is the process more than the
outcome. Luck to all, Brad
this is followed by the B's. As I mentioned, there was a design problem in
the transom enclosing the motor when the motor was lifted. I went ahead
and notched out about one foot of the aft corner almost to the boot stripe.
Then lifted the motor to as high a position as would be used in really
shallow water. It worked, the prop is now clear of the sides. I also feel
there will be an indirect result of this cutting away. It seems to me, if
you take two sides and angle them in behind the hidden transom and below
the water line, this constriction will cause a lot of turbulence and slow
the vessel down. As the cut is submerged and will not show anyhow, it
might be a good idea not to carry the hull aft at all below the water line.
I have the engine installed minus the steering. I still waiting for the
steering cable. I am using a big T teleflex which was a spare for my large
sailboat having converted it to hydraulic steering this last fall. If
anyone is installing a large remote engine such as I am doing and cannot
read wiring diagrams, I would suggest going to your dealer and have them
rig it. I got away with it, but confess to having other life experiences
that allowed me to fudge through. The dash has all the instruments mounted
now and is looking like the cockpit of an airplane. As I told Les, I have
some instruments left over from building my last plane and might???????put
in the altimeter for kicks and conversation. The compass for sure. I am
surprised at the pleasure in building a motor driven vessel, as all my
other projects have been sail. I suppose it is the process more than the
outcome. Luck to all, Brad
For those interested in this boat and the ongoing pictures sent to
Duckworks, work will be suspended this next week. This is not to say I
quit. Rather it is time to go sailing. As I live in northern Mi. and
have retired, I keep a boat in Florida ( a gemini catamaran) on which I
live during the winter. Thus, the topaz will be put to bed until
april. At that time I plan to continue to send in reports and pictures
of the boat up through it's launch. During that summer I will be
touring the inland lakes on which I live plus some of the inland
waterways in mi. The later part of the summer it will be found in
Canada in the north channel out among the islands.
I will be available and will respond to mail up through the ninth of
this month for anyone who wishes. I would like to thank the folks who
have contacted me and gave encouragement during this project. This is
a big boat and your interest is really apprectiated. Sometimes I need
a kick start as like anyone, I get a little lazy now and
then.............Smooth sailing to all and I will be with you in spirit
while sailing the Bahamas for the next four months. Brad
Duckworks, work will be suspended this next week. This is not to say I
quit. Rather it is time to go sailing. As I live in northern Mi. and
have retired, I keep a boat in Florida ( a gemini catamaran) on which I
live during the winter. Thus, the topaz will be put to bed until
april. At that time I plan to continue to send in reports and pictures
of the boat up through it's launch. During that summer I will be
touring the inland lakes on which I live plus some of the inland
waterways in mi. The later part of the summer it will be found in
Canada in the north channel out among the islands.
I will be available and will respond to mail up through the ninth of
this month for anyone who wishes. I would like to thank the folks who
have contacted me and gave encouragement during this project. This is
a big boat and your interest is really apprectiated. Sometimes I need
a kick start as like anyone, I get a little lazy now and
then.............Smooth sailing to all and I will be with you in spirit
while sailing the Bahamas for the next four months. Brad
Thats very good work Brad... she's beautiful! (And thats a male
opinion at that!)
Thanks for showing the stem. Looks similar to my catboat's
construction. Nice to see it fleshed out like that.
Enjoy
"chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
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opinion at that!)
Thanks for showing the stem. Looks similar to my catboat's
construction. Nice to see it fleshed out like that.
Enjoy
"chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=744
> And, as promised, I have the beginnings of a web page with Brad'sgreat
> pictures at this url:One
>http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/articles/topaz/index.htm
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sailormon@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:16 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Topaz
>
>
> > Hi to all. As I promised, I would get some pics out to duckworks.
> > Well I think I succeded in doing that with a few more to follow.
> > other party who is interested I am sending attachments to him aswell.
> > Kind of fun now that I am doing it. I did not get into the actualway
> > it was built as I feel that there is a lot more skilled informationout
> > there than I can put forth. If these pics are viewed by you folks,away
> > please understand, they were took spontaneously with all the
> > accumulated clutter that comes with frenetic construction. I get
> > with it by claiming to be creative. Any excuse in a storm. Evenas I
> > speak, my comp. is downloading four more pics that may show betterthe
> > lines of the boat. The bow which I think is pretty. The inside,overal
> > foreward and aft. The stern etc. You may get the impression that a
> > few others have. The boat with all the vertical members gives the
> > effect of open oriental construction which I am partial to. As a
> > side light, all the women who have seen the boat really like the
> > effect. My wife being in the fore front of this opinion.was
> > I will shortly be preparing to put on the roof today. This I
> > constructed diferently than the plans suggested. three eighths ply
> > suggested. I used 1/4" glued to 3/4" foam and topped with 3 ozweigh
> > figerglass for an insulated and composite roof. I think it will
> > a little less as well. Attaching it will be a little circumspectthan
> > 3/8 however. Brad
> >
> >
And, as promised, I have the beginnings of a web page with Brad's great
pictures at this url:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/articles/topaz/index.htm
Chuck
pictures at this url:
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg/articles/topaz/index.htm
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: <sailormon@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:16 AM
Subject: [bolger] Topaz
> Hi to all. As I promised, I would get some pics out to duckworks.
> Well I think I succeded in doing that with a few more to follow. One
> other party who is interested I am sending attachments to him as well.
> Kind of fun now that I am doing it. I did not get into the actual way
> it was built as I feel that there is a lot more skilled information out
> there than I can put forth. If these pics are viewed by you folks,
> please understand, they were took spontaneously with all the
> accumulated clutter that comes with frenetic construction. I get away
> with it by claiming to be creative. Any excuse in a storm. Even as I
> speak, my comp. is downloading four more pics that may show better the
> lines of the boat. The bow which I think is pretty. The inside,
> foreward and aft. The stern etc. You may get the impression that a
> few others have. The boat with all the vertical members gives the
> effect of open oriental construction which I am partial to. As a
> side light, all the women who have seen the boat really like the overal
> effect. My wife being in the fore front of this opinion.
> I will shortly be preparing to put on the roof today. This I
> constructed diferently than the plans suggested. three eighths ply was
> suggested. I used 1/4" glued to 3/4" foam and topped with 3 oz
> figerglass for an insulated and composite roof. I think it will weigh
> a little less as well. Attaching it will be a little circumspect than
> 3/8 however. Brad
>
>
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Hi to all. As I promised, I would get some pics out to duckworks.
Well I think I succeded in doing that with a few more to follow. One
other party who is interested I am sending attachments to him as well.
Kind of fun now that I am doing it. I did not get into the actual way
it was built as I feel that there is a lot more skilled information out
there than I can put forth. If these pics are viewed by you folks,
please understand, they were took spontaneously with all the
accumulated clutter that comes with frenetic construction. I get away
with it by claiming to be creative. Any excuse in a storm. Even as I
speak, my comp. is downloading four more pics that may show better the
lines of the boat. The bow which I think is pretty. The inside,
foreward and aft. The stern etc. You may get the impression that a
few others have. The boat with all the vertical members gives the
effect of open oriental construction which I am partial to. As a
side light, all the women who have seen the boat really like the overal
effect. My wife being in the fore front of this opinion.
I will shortly be preparing to put on the roof today. This I
constructed diferently than the plans suggested. three eighths ply was
suggested. I used 1/4" glued to 3/4" foam and topped with 3 oz
figerglass for an insulated and composite roof. I think it will weigh
a little less as well. Attaching it will be a little circumspect than
3/8 however. Brad
Well I think I succeded in doing that with a few more to follow. One
other party who is interested I am sending attachments to him as well.
Kind of fun now that I am doing it. I did not get into the actual way
it was built as I feel that there is a lot more skilled information out
there than I can put forth. If these pics are viewed by you folks,
please understand, they were took spontaneously with all the
accumulated clutter that comes with frenetic construction. I get away
with it by claiming to be creative. Any excuse in a storm. Even as I
speak, my comp. is downloading four more pics that may show better the
lines of the boat. The bow which I think is pretty. The inside,
foreward and aft. The stern etc. You may get the impression that a
few others have. The boat with all the vertical members gives the
effect of open oriental construction which I am partial to. As a
side light, all the women who have seen the boat really like the overal
effect. My wife being in the fore front of this opinion.
I will shortly be preparing to put on the roof today. This I
constructed diferently than the plans suggested. three eighths ply was
suggested. I used 1/4" glued to 3/4" foam and topped with 3 oz
figerglass for an insulated and composite roof. I think it will weigh
a little less as well. Attaching it will be a little circumspect than
3/8 however. Brad
To update those who are following this. The bottom is now finished
minus the painting and ready to turn over. I put on the cutwater last
evening and glassed her in. For any who might try this boat, she is
big and getting heavy. Watch things like the cutwater as I think Phil
made a mistake here as things were not gelling in my mind. Sooo, I
lifted the lines fron the foreward curve of the bow with my trusty glue
gun and small wood strips and got a perfect fit. The lines are really
nice in the bow. All the bulkheads are standing by as well as the
finished cabin sides ready to assemble. All I need is some extra hands
to get her over on the bottom. I do have some photos I will be
forewarding to Chuck L. as soon as I get the time. Will let you all
know when this happens. I found the sollution to the weight, we moved
to a larger car. My little Chev smoked tires on some ramps last season
with a smaller boat and I decided it would not work on this boat
afterall. Blazers work well on boat ramps as I used to have one. Brad
minus the painting and ready to turn over. I put on the cutwater last
evening and glassed her in. For any who might try this boat, she is
big and getting heavy. Watch things like the cutwater as I think Phil
made a mistake here as things were not gelling in my mind. Sooo, I
lifted the lines fron the foreward curve of the bow with my trusty glue
gun and small wood strips and got a perfect fit. The lines are really
nice in the bow. All the bulkheads are standing by as well as the
finished cabin sides ready to assemble. All I need is some extra hands
to get her over on the bottom. I do have some photos I will be
forewarding to Chuck L. as soon as I get the time. Will let you all
know when this happens. I found the sollution to the weight, we moved
to a larger car. My little Chev smoked tires on some ramps last season
with a smaller boat and I decided it would not work on this boat
afterall. Blazers work well on boat ramps as I used to have one. Brad
"chuck leinweber" <duckwork-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=428
replacement ratio of 2.3:1 in any recipe calling for experience.
--D
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/bolger/?start=428
> Brad:Crazy ideas make an excellent substitute for experience. I use a
>
> I don't have a lot of experience, but I do have a lot of crazy ideas.
replacement ratio of 2.3:1 in any recipe calling for experience.
--D
Brad:
I don't have a lot of experience, but I do have a lot of crazy ideas. You
might consider making some composite panels, then cutting and using them as
if they were plywood. Foam cored panels can work, or if you feel really
high tech, you could make or buy honeycomb panels. This route is expensive,
but you can eliminate a lot of weight. Since you are an airplane guy, I am
sure you know about this stuff, I just mention it for the sake of
discussion.
Chuck
I don't have a lot of experience, but I do have a lot of crazy ideas. You
might consider making some composite panels, then cutting and using them as
if they were plywood. Foam cored panels can work, or if you feel really
high tech, you could make or buy honeycomb panels. This route is expensive,
but you can eliminate a lot of weight. Since you are an airplane guy, I am
sure you know about this stuff, I just mention it for the sake of
discussion.
Chuck
> At this point in the building I am up against the problem of weight.
> Like most of you who are building for performance or are in to the
> bigger boats, this problem looms high. Having built the bulkheads, I
> am already concerned about the totals weight of the boat. Yes, it is
> supposed to weigh 2500-3000lb. However, my chevy can haul 3000# max.
> Soooo what to do. I am propsing to cut out spaces, decorative or
> othewise in the bulkheads. Those that look like fish or something
> pretty will stay. Those that are just circles etc. I plan to fill with
> 1/2" blue board and glass lightly over. I think I can dispose of a few
> pounds or so this way. If you have not used this, don't worry. By the
> way, remove the plastic that covers these sheets or you will not get a
> bond. I built the webbing for an airplane, plus the the wing truss
> and glassed it. Later when done flew the plane and as far as I know it
> is still up there in another town with a new owner. Many of the area's
> need to be somewhat solid as they abutt the settee etc.
> My question is, will I be able to lighten up on the sides or bottom in
> any way. The bottom is two layers of 1/2" ply and the sides are 1/2".
> I considered thinning the bottom and using unidirectional glass (two
> layers of 12 oz) cross ways to stiffen the ply. On the sides I thought
> I saw a pic, of layering of ply in a webbing fashion. Any suggestions
> from someone who has beem here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
> Brad
>
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First I would like to thank Chuck for making available the information
on the Tapaz to the readers. I contacted him in this regard and he had
already done the leg work. What a guy.
At this point in the building I am up against the problem of weight.
Like most of you who are building for performance or are in to the
bigger boats, this problem looms high. Having built the bulkheads, I
am already concerned about the totals weight of the boat. Yes, it is
supposed to weigh 2500-3000lb. However, my chevy can haul 3000# max.
Soooo what to do. I am propsing to cut out spaces, decorative or
othewise in the bulkheads. Those that look like fish or something
pretty will stay. Those that are just circles etc. I plan to fill with
1/2" blue board and glass lightly over. I think I can dispose of a few
pounds or so this way. If you have not used this, don't worry. By the
way, remove the plastic that covers these sheets or you will not get a
bond. I built the webbing for an airplane, plus the the wing truss
and glassed it. Later when done flew the plane and as far as I know it
is still up there in another town with a new owner. Many of the area's
need to be somewhat solid as they abutt the settee etc.
My question is, will I be able to lighten up on the sides or bottom in
any way. The bottom is two layers of 1/2" ply and the sides are 1/2".
I considered thinning the bottom and using unidirectional glass (two
layers of 12 oz) cross ways to stiffen the ply. On the sides I thought
I saw a pic, of layering of ply in a webbing fashion. Any suggestions
from someone who has beem here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Brad
on the Tapaz to the readers. I contacted him in this regard and he had
already done the leg work. What a guy.
At this point in the building I am up against the problem of weight.
Like most of you who are building for performance or are in to the
bigger boats, this problem looms high. Having built the bulkheads, I
am already concerned about the totals weight of the boat. Yes, it is
supposed to weigh 2500-3000lb. However, my chevy can haul 3000# max.
Soooo what to do. I am propsing to cut out spaces, decorative or
othewise in the bulkheads. Those that look like fish or something
pretty will stay. Those that are just circles etc. I plan to fill with
1/2" blue board and glass lightly over. I think I can dispose of a few
pounds or so this way. If you have not used this, don't worry. By the
way, remove the plastic that covers these sheets or you will not get a
bond. I built the webbing for an airplane, plus the the wing truss
and glassed it. Later when done flew the plane and as far as I know it
is still up there in another town with a new owner. Many of the area's
need to be somewhat solid as they abutt the settee etc.
My question is, will I be able to lighten up on the sides or bottom in
any way. The bottom is two layers of 1/2" ply and the sides are 1/2".
I considered thinning the bottom and using unidirectional glass (two
layers of 12 oz) cross ways to stiffen the ply. On the sides I thought
I saw a pic, of layering of ply in a webbing fashion. Any suggestions
from someone who has beem here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Brad
Donald and the group:
There has been a lot of interest in the Topaz, so I have uploaded a scan of
the line drawing, and the text of the MAIB article. Look in the Vault
section of the Bolger group:http://www.egroups.com/docvault/bolger/In
the "Topaz" folder is the drawing of the Topaz, and four files containing
the article. For some reason, at this minute, the link isn't working. If
this happens, try again later.
Chuck
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg
There has been a lot of interest in the Topaz, so I have uploaded a scan of
the line drawing, and the text of the MAIB article. Look in the Vault
section of the Bolger group:http://www.egroups.com/docvault/bolger/In
the "Topaz" folder is the drawing of the Topaz, and four files containing
the article. For some reason, at this minute, the link isn't working. If
this happens, try again later.
Chuck
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.hilconet.com/~dworksmg