Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Navigator first sail!
> just adventures in boat building.FWIW, I was poking around my collection of 'grabbed'
> Jason
online Micro photos, and I see one from 'Shorty' that
has a balanced lug rig too, though smaller than
yours and with a mizzen sail. Florida numbers,
boat named Taylor Jean. Looks like she sails
nicely too.
> These improvements to the design do not show up on the sketch, you****************
> refer to on Bolger4.
I never called them "improvements", just adventures in boat
building.
*************
You mentioned further improvements to the rudder as well?
> Cheers, NelsThe original keel became a strip laminated skeg about 18 inches long
with a rudder the same depth as the belly of the boat(same mounting
method). The rudder is extended aft about 2" and has an eight inch
endplate.
Jason
> Great photo(s) Bruce. Can you picture Rose out there?Interesting question. With the enclosed cabin,
> Nels
the stability curve 'on paper' (at least) of a
Micro Navigator is similar to a surf boat.
I expect that the mast(s) might get snapped off
in a roll, and your teeth might get knocked out
while being tossed around the cabin.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Cheers,
Nels - Who somehow suddenly feels a craving for a Corona beer:-)
>> I am constantly amazed by 'Lectronic Latitudes,Great photo(s) Bruce. Can you picture Rose out there?
>
> That surf boat photo is taken only a few miles
> from my house.
Cheers,
Nels - Who somehow suddenly feels a craving for a Corona beer:-)
I wonder what PCB would think of this surf boat picture?
The 'buoyancy profile' of that hull is not unlike Tahiti.
[gratuitous 'on-topic' Bolger reference]
http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicLat/2005/0205/211/Feb11.html
I am constantly amazed by 'Lectronic Latitudes,
That surf boat photo is taken only a few miles
from my house.
The 'buoyancy profile' of that hull is not unlike Tahiti.
[gratuitous 'on-topic' Bolger reference]
http://www.latitude38.com/LectronicLat/2005/0205/211/Feb11.html
I am constantly amazed by 'Lectronic Latitudes,
That surf boat photo is taken only a few miles
from my house.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
These improvements to the design do not show up on the sketch, you
refer to on Bolger4. So now I can relax as well:-)
You mentioned further improvements to the rudder as well?
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
>of
> Hey, HA, if you guys think the
> sail is bad and the tabernacle is huge don't forget i have 425lbs
> lead cast into the belly of the little beast with an offcenterboard
> and case laid up against the port bunk.Ahhh there ya go Jason,
These improvements to the design do not show up on the sketch, you
refer to on Bolger4. So now I can relax as well:-)
You mentioned further improvements to the rudder as well?
Cheers, Nels
> Hey,I am relaxed! plus I'm optimistic that it will work!
> relax guys, this is suppose to be fun. I am using a MJ 200 sqft.
> lug. The tabernacle is back at the first bulkhead, with a 7ish
> degree aft rake to the mast.
Just fire up the iron jib if you need to go faster to windward.
Downwind and on a reach, you will be really movin'!
Hey,
relax guys, this is suppose to be fun. I am using a MJ 200 sqft.
lug. The tabernacle is back at the first bulkhead, with a 7ish
degree aft rake to the mast. The CE is dead on were it is suppose to
be and the foot of the lug can swing forward or aft 6 inches to
adjust for the sails shape.....i tested this out on another boat and
it doesn't affect anything but the helm balance as long as the yard
stays put. The forward end of the boom is about 4 inches aft of the
forward transom and the aft end of the boom is about 8 inches out
board of the stern. I'm not going to lie this boat is a real freak
and could be a dog, but hey it's my dog. HA, if you guys think the
sail is bad and the tabernacle is huge don't forget i have 425lbs of
lead cast into the belly of the little beast with an off centerboard
and case laid up against the port bunk. This boat is a poor excuse
of a Bolger Navigator. I'm really not worried about the balance as
my board is oversized for the canvas and allows alot of tinkering
with the Center of lateral resistance. I did quite a bit of trig
trying to figure it out and i think it's pretty close, time will
tell.
Jason directions suck Stancil
If you look in bolger 4 files under lugger.bmp you'll see a scale
image of the rig on the navigator.....the sail is actually a hair
farther back than shown,
relax guys, this is suppose to be fun. I am using a MJ 200 sqft.
lug. The tabernacle is back at the first bulkhead, with a 7ish
degree aft rake to the mast. The CE is dead on were it is suppose to
be and the foot of the lug can swing forward or aft 6 inches to
adjust for the sails shape.....i tested this out on another boat and
it doesn't affect anything but the helm balance as long as the yard
stays put. The forward end of the boom is about 4 inches aft of the
forward transom and the aft end of the boom is about 8 inches out
board of the stern. I'm not going to lie this boat is a real freak
and could be a dog, but hey it's my dog. HA, if you guys think the
sail is bad and the tabernacle is huge don't forget i have 425lbs of
lead cast into the belly of the little beast with an off centerboard
and case laid up against the port bunk. This boat is a poor excuse
of a Bolger Navigator. I'm really not worried about the balance as
my board is oversized for the canvas and allows alot of tinkering
with the Center of lateral resistance. I did quite a bit of trig
trying to figure it out and i think it's pretty close, time will
tell.
Jason directions suck Stancil
If you look in bolger 4 files under lugger.bmp you'll see a scale
image of the rig on the navigator.....the sail is actually a hair
farther back than shown,
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
pictures....makes me very envious!
You sail in one hell of a romantic part of America.Now all you have
to do is take a sabatical from all that busy work of boatbuilding(we
know you love to build!) and get yourself away on a month long
cruise.That'll be good for what ails ya!
HAPPY ADVENTURES!
Peter Lenihan,anxious to see liquid water again instead of ice and
snow...........
>http://community.webshots.com/album/268317741GVBHLS/0No wind, almost no gasoline, getting sucked
>
> ...shows pictures of my first sail of my Micro Navigator,
>> half full tank.
> out the Golden Gate,Great good news Bruce and good for you!!! I really love those
pictures....makes me very envious!
You sail in one hell of a romantic part of America.Now all you have
to do is take a sabatical from all that busy work of boatbuilding(we
know you love to build!) and get yourself away on a month long
cruise.That'll be good for what ails ya!
HAPPY ADVENTURES!
Peter Lenihan,anxious to see liquid water again instead of ice and
snow...........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
tabernacle mounted up against the foward cabin bulkhead. The MJ boom
is 16 feet long so the forward end would be right at the bow or maybe
even ahead slightly. The aft end right over the stern. This would
maybe place the ce about at the 9 foot mark from the bow, well aft of
the halfway mark of where the ballest is located, if that is any help.
He already has an end plate on the rudder so what else he can do
there is beyond me. Even if there was room for a small mizzen, it
would probably be completely blocked off by that big lugsail, as well
as the pilothouse. Perhaps a long shafted yuloh serving as a steering
oar, even when going downwind!
Cheers, Nels
>> Where did Jason put his mast? Up forward like a Cat?Can't locate the photos right now. I recall quite a massive
> A Balanced Lug without a mizzen would require the mast
> to be moved back into the cabin.
tabernacle mounted up against the foward cabin bulkhead. The MJ boom
is 16 feet long so the forward end would be right at the bow or maybe
even ahead slightly. The aft end right over the stern. This would
maybe place the ce about at the 9 foot mark from the bow, well aft of
the halfway mark of where the ballest is located, if that is any help.
He already has an end plate on the rudder so what else he can do
there is beyond me. Even if there was room for a small mizzen, it
would probably be completely blocked off by that big lugsail, as well
as the pilothouse. Perhaps a long shafted yuloh serving as a steering
oar, even when going downwind!
Cheers, Nels
> OK, it is not magic. The center of the sail(s) should be a littleI am wrong about the center of sail just aft of the center of lateral plan.
> bit aft of the center of the lateral plane. If not, you got trouble.
It is obvoiusly forward, not aft. Calculating just how much, that I don't know,
other than trying to copy it from a boat that works.
What does matter is that when trying alternate sail rigs,
you should not change the center of sail for a given hull.
> I imagine he is right now trying to gently break the news. He doesOK, it is not magic. The center of the sail(s) should be a little
> not have a mizzen!
> Cheers, Nels
bit aft of the center of the lateral plane. If not, you got trouble.
Where did Jason put his mast? Up forward like a Cat?
A Balanced Lug without a mizzen would require the mast
to be moved back into the cabin.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
I imagine he is right now trying to gently break the news. He does
not have a mizzen!
I think he is using the main from a Martha Jane, and there is no room
for one.
Cheers, Nels
>>Poor Jasin:-(
> As I suggested above, increasing the size of the mizzen [or reducing
> the size of the main] might be more important and effective than
> altering the rudder.
I imagine he is right now trying to gently break the news. He does
not have a mizzen!
I think he is using the main from a Martha Jane, and there is no room
for one.
Cheers, Nels
> Nope, my navigator(?) is lug rigged(balanced).Have you calculated the 'center' of your sails?
The reason I mention this is that my first 'first hand'
experience with a Cat Yawl, is that the balance
between the windage on both sails is a very big
deal! In short, if you have the mizzen sheeted wrong,
no amount of tiller will bring the boat up.
IWO, if you move the center of the mainsail
forward [like with a balanced lug], you would need
to increase the mizzen size, or move the center of
the mizzen aft.
Also, you might want to 'dry run' your procedure
for reefing the balanced lug, considering access
restrictions imposed by the cabin, use braille lines,
or etc..
I know you have already built your balanced lug,
but you might also consider using the 'per plans'
triangular sprit sail arrangement of the standard
Micro. I have done some investigation of this
geometry, and have concluded that the standard
sprit rig could/would work with the Navigator cabin.
In fact, I am seriously tempted to build 'standard'
Micro masts and polytarp sails just out of curiousity,
to know 'first hand' the differences between the two
rigs.
> writing that it takes an hour to step the mast and rig.Yes, though only about half of this time is due to the Chinese
Gaff rig, the rest is just unavoidable 'launching' work.
The biggest single time-eater in the setup process derives from
the fact that I need to separate the mainsail from the mast for the
mast to be swung into the horizontal position. This would be
true with or without a tabernacle. I am still trying to devise a clever way
to streamline this process, one should be possible.
A second time eater is the rigging the mizzen and the aft sheetlets
off the mizzen mast/staff and the boomkin.
A third is the complexity associated with the straps and struts to
support the fat belly of Micro on the trailer.
> My helm balance may or may not be off so i might goAs I suggested above, increasing the size of the mizzen [or reducing
> ahead and build a second larger rudder before i even launch.
the size of the main] might be more important and effective than
altering the rudder.
> Also, considering that _Alerts_ Chinese Gaff rig seems to beNope, my navigator(?) is lug rigged(balanced). She's hybernating for
> decomissioned, Oink and Rose might be the only two
> Chinese Gaff rigs in the world at the moment. [Jason?]
winter she'll be ready to go after a few 60 degree days so i can
paint the inside, build the tiller/rudder and get the last coat of
varnish on.
Your boat looks great and the rig is really neat but you settled my
nerve by writing that it takes an hour to step the mast and rig. My
boat won't be nearly as weatherly and string happy as the real deal
but i can swing the mast up, cinch the lockstaff set the tack and
hoist the sail in about a minute. Trailer sailing is totally doable
for my boat. My helm balance may or may not be off so i might go
ahead and build a second larger rudder before i even launch.
Jason
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
Well, between lazing around at the beach, winery tours, golfing,
mountain biking, canoeing on the Thompson, and spring skiing at Sun
Peaks I'm thinking it would be great to squeeze in some sailing:-)
Will keep in touch,
Nels (Hoping to see Moriarty's Chinese lug rig and new end-plated
rudder in action:-)
> Hi Nelsso if you can avoid the urge to wade, swim or sunbathe we should be
> good. I'll contact you offline.Thanks Derek,
>
> cheers
> Derek
Well, between lazing around at the beach, winery tours, golfing,
mountain biking, canoeing on the Thompson, and spring skiing at Sun
Peaks I'm thinking it would be great to squeeze in some sailing:-)
Will keep in touch,
Nels (Hoping to see Moriarty's Chinese lug rig and new end-plated
rudder in action:-)
Hi Nels
"...will you be back in the water by Easter? "
[thinks] Hmmm. When's Easter?
End of March, eh? Well the lake shouldn't have any noticeable hard bits by
then, so if you can avoid the urge to wade, swim or sunbathe we should be
good. I'll contact you offline.
cheers
Derek
"...will you be back in the water by Easter? "
[thinks] Hmmm. When's Easter?
End of March, eh? Well the lake shouldn't have any noticeable hard bits by
then, so if you can avoid the urge to wade, swim or sunbathe we should be
good. I'll contact you offline.
cheers
Derek
> > Oink and Rose might be the only twoYes, of course! Moriarty, Oink and Rose.
> > Chinese Gaff rigs in the world at the moment. [Jason?]
>
> I believe Derek Waters, up here in the Frozen North has been using
> one on his Micro for a couple years now.
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
one on his Micro for a couple years now.
BTW Derek, will you be back in the water by Easter? I heading out
your way then.
Cheers, Nels
> Also, considering that _Alerts_ Chinese Gaff rig seems to beI believe Derek Waters, up here in the Frozen North has been using
> decomissioned, Oink and Rose might be the only two
> Chinese Gaff rigs in the world at the moment. [Jason?]
one on his Micro for a couple years now.
BTW Derek, will you be back in the water by Easter? I heading out
your way then.
Cheers, Nels
> Hi Bruce, congratulations upon your launch and maiden sail.Thanks, There was a big kind of 'post par tum' foreshadowing,
> DonB
for the inaugurate sail... Would I like it? or have remorse?
Indeed, I have had considerable more history with the fun of
building boats and somewhat less with the fun of using boats.
Let me announce: Using that boat is *lots* of fun!
And (almost as important), my 'significant partner' feels
the same. [She had reservations about the portable pot, etc..]
We are eagerly planning a three day trip for the coming
President's Day weekend. And in the next ten days I
have a list of tweaks to make based on lessons learned
during the shakeout cruise.
Also, considering that _Alerts_ Chinese Gaff rig seems to be
decomissioned, Oink and Rose might be the only two
Chinese Gaff rigs in the world at the moment. [Jason?]
Hi Bruce, congratulations upon your launch and maiden sail. She looks
very comfortable indeed.
I hoped to beat you into the water last month, but I got absorbed with
my new dinghy, and at the times when tide and times coincided, the
haulage people were not back at work, an ill friend came from Fiji and
had to be carted around to all sorts of medical places, but I'm now
booked again for monday. Will be motoring Oink to my mooring which
dries out, and the following weekend will be rig reinstallation.
Good sailing,
DonB
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
very comfortable indeed.
I hoped to beat you into the water last month, but I got absorbed with
my new dinghy, and at the times when tide and times coincided, the
haulage people were not back at work, an ill friend came from Fiji and
had to be carted around to all sorts of medical places, but I'm now
booked again for monday. Will be motoring Oink to my mooring which
dries out, and the following weekend will be rig reinstallation.
Good sailing,
DonB
-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> Well, I was required to keep the tacks just correct to cause the sun
> to shine on the berth for Vitamin D therapy. We appreciated the
> enlarged slot roof hatch.
>
> ALL the other boats on the bay, even those with seemingly huge
> interior spaces had the entire crews up in the cockpits. I was
> jealous of them during the sunny part of the day, but after about
> 3PM I *really* appreciated the shelter and warmth
> of being inside an enclosed 'glass house' cabin. At no time
> was the glass house cabin claustrophobic, but the tinted windows
> took away the 'tanning/burning" edge of the sun. Plus the salt
> spray and wind in the face. [I need to add a telltale to the masthead.]
> The people in the other boats looked cold, bundled up with hats
> and foul weather gear, while I sat comfortable in shirtsleeves.
>
> I have a 1990 era Honda 9.9hp longshaft outboard, bought cheap.
> It is too big for the hull, needing just above idle to push her
> at hull speed. A smaller motor would be better, as it is trouble
> to just have 'full power' and 'off' as choices.
>
> The egonomics of starting the motor with the 75% decked over
> motor well is not really a problem, and the enlarged afterdeck
> is a big convenience when getting in and out of the boat, etc..
>
> Starting the motor is an art, "three pulls with choke at 3/4, then
> one pull with no choke, then feather throttle,
> etc..". An art that I haven't yet fully figured out!
>
> Also, a short shaft motor would work, due to the fact that the
> stern wave at hull speed rises up at the transom.
>
> The outboard motor noise is negligable, four strokes are quite.
> The fumes are there but not really more than you would expect
> in an open skiff, etc..
Well done BH!
A great job and a great sail. Great looking Micro!
I feel so sloooooowwwwww in my Micro building efforts.
Another B.H.
Bruce Hector
Wasting time in sunny Florida and thinking of a new row boat, as I
had to leave Twisted Seagull back in the frozen north.
A great job and a great sail. Great looking Micro!
I feel so sloooooowwwwww in my Micro building efforts.
Another B.H.
Bruce Hector
Wasting time in sunny Florida and thinking of a new row boat, as I
had to leave Twisted Seagull back in the frozen north.
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Well, I was required to keep the tacks just correct to cause the sun
to shine on the berth for Vitamin D therapy. We appreciated the
enlarged slot roof hatch.
ALL the other boats on the bay, even those with seemingly huge
interior spaces had the entire crews up in the cockpits. I was
jealous of them during the sunny part of the day, but after about
3PM I *really* appreciated the shelter and warmth
of being inside an enclosed 'glass house' cabin. At no time
was the glass house cabin claustrophobic, but the tinted windows
took away the 'tanning/burning" edge of the sun. Plus the salt
spray and wind in the face. [I need to add a telltale to the masthead.]
The people in the other boats looked cold, bundled up with hats
and foul weather gear, while I sat comfortable in shirtsleeves.
I have a 1990 era Honda 9.9hp longshaft outboard, bought cheap.
It is too big for the hull, needing just above idle to push her
at hull speed. A smaller motor would be better, as it is trouble
to just have 'full power' and 'off' as choices.
The egonomics of starting the motor with the 75% decked over
motor well is not really a problem, and the enlarged afterdeck
is a big convenience when getting in and out of the boat, etc..
Starting the motor is an art, "three pulls with choke at 3/4, then
one pull with no choke, then feather throttle,
etc..". An art that I haven't yet fully figured out!
Also, a short shaft motor would work, due to the fact that the
stern wave at hull speed rises up at the transom.
The outboard motor noise is negligable, four strokes are quite.
The fumes are there but not really more than you would expect
in an open skiff, etc..
to shine on the berth for Vitamin D therapy. We appreciated the
enlarged slot roof hatch.
ALL the other boats on the bay, even those with seemingly huge
interior spaces had the entire crews up in the cockpits. I was
jealous of them during the sunny part of the day, but after about
3PM I *really* appreciated the shelter and warmth
of being inside an enclosed 'glass house' cabin. At no time
was the glass house cabin claustrophobic, but the tinted windows
took away the 'tanning/burning" edge of the sun. Plus the salt
spray and wind in the face. [I need to add a telltale to the masthead.]
The people in the other boats looked cold, bundled up with hats
and foul weather gear, while I sat comfortable in shirtsleeves.
I have a 1990 era Honda 9.9hp longshaft outboard, bought cheap.
It is too big for the hull, needing just above idle to push her
at hull speed. A smaller motor would be better, as it is trouble
to just have 'full power' and 'off' as choices.
The egonomics of starting the motor with the 75% decked over
motor well is not really a problem, and the enlarged afterdeck
is a big convenience when getting in and out of the boat, etc..
Starting the motor is an art, "three pulls with choke at 3/4, then
one pull with no choke, then feather throttle,
etc..". An art that I haven't yet fully figured out!
Also, a short shaft motor would work, due to the fact that the
stern wave at hull speed rises up at the transom.
The outboard motor noise is negligable, four strokes are quite.
The fumes are there but not really more than you would expect
in an open skiff, etc..
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
Boy that looked like one the nicer days on Frisco Bay from what you
have been telling us. Your crew seemed to handle the late winter
weather in fine form as well. Looks like a lot of happy times ahead
after all the hard work.
One thing I am still a bit puzzled about is how convenient it is to
use the motor with the stern closed over? Can you lower it, start,
and run it from inside the house? What about the noise and fumes? Are
you using a 4 hp 4-stroke or larger? And do you think it is the
correct motor?
Thanks, Nels
>http://community.webshots.com/album/268317741GVBHLS/0Congratulations Bruce!
>
> ...shows pictures of my first sail of my Micro Navigator,
> sorry, but I didn't have my act together enough to
> get the 'from a distance' perspective shot.
>
Boy that looked like one the nicer days on Frisco Bay from what you
have been telling us. Your crew seemed to handle the late winter
weather in fine form as well. Looks like a lot of happy times ahead
after all the hard work.
One thing I am still a bit puzzled about is how convenient it is to
use the motor with the stern closed over? Can you lower it, start,
and run it from inside the house? What about the noise and fumes? Are
you using a 4 hp 4-stroke or larger? And do you think it is the
correct motor?
Thanks, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Kreamer" <kreamer@a...> wrote:
mystery... - Bill
> Haven't gotten Bolger emails since last Tuesday. This has happenedseemingly
> spontaneously. I'm getting other emails just fine. I've reviewed mysettings
> at Yahoo. What other settings are involved? - BillStill nothing! I'm getting my own posts, but nobody else's. What a
mystery... - Bill
> A few judiciously applied 'snap shackles' and a a good bit of practice , andThe shackles had crossed my mind,
> I predict you'll half that. Velcro straps to tie and untie lines &c. help a
> lot, too.
> Derek
but the Velcro idea is a good one that hadn't.
I am sure I can cut the time in half with practice,
though I am wait-listed for a marina berth
in downtown San Francisco "some time this spring"
which is the way to go with a Chinese Gaff rig for sure.
I never did have the illusion that a Micro Navigator was
optimised for trailer sailing, basically an hour hooking
up and on the road, an hour rigging up and ramp launching
four hours sailing, and then another two hours retrieving,
unstepping, driving home and unpacking.
I really liked the way the Chinese Gaff has plenty
of square footage for ghosting, but then can be quickly,
easily and safely reefed upon whim. The price you pay
for that is a lot of lines to sort out. I am curious at just
how much simpler a sprit rigged mainsail would be,
and I am tempted to make a 'Home Depot' mast
and a polytarp sail; on a whim just to see.
Also, my idea of rotating cleats on the ceiling of the
cabin, too clever for my own good, and was a waste.
I found it much simpler to use cheapo nylon cleats
and discount store bathrobe hooks to stow the lines.
Though I will splurge a a few more camcleats for the
sheets and sheetlets.
Congratulations, Bruce!!
"...but I didn't have my act together enough to get the 'from a distance'
perspective shot."
Not good enough! Get back out there :)
"...stepping of the masts, and sorting out the tangle of lines is a pretty
big deal, an hour plus."
A few judiciously applied 'snap shackles' and a a good bit of practice , and
I predict you'll half that. Velcro straps to tie and untie lines &c. help a
lot, too.
Again, congratulations, and enjoy!
cheers
Derek
"...but I didn't have my act together enough to get the 'from a distance'
perspective shot."
Not good enough! Get back out there :)
"...stepping of the masts, and sorting out the tangle of lines is a pretty
big deal, an hour plus."
A few judiciously applied 'snap shackles' and a a good bit of practice , and
I predict you'll half that. Velcro straps to tie and untie lines &c. help a
lot, too.
Again, congratulations, and enjoy!
cheers
Derek
http://community.webshots.com/album/268317741GVBHLS/0
...shows pictures of my first sail of my Micro Navigator,
sorry, but I didn't have my act together enough to
get the 'from a distance' perspective shot.
Never the less, I feel a pretty good sense of accomplishment
sailing the boat after two years in the makin'.
This was my first experience sailing a cat yawl, and
it was fascinating trimming the sails and experiencing
the control of how the boat responded to the balance.
The photos were taken with nearly no wind at all,
just after than we dropped sail and motored to Angel
Island. After we got there I discovered that I probably
should have bought gasoline, starting with a less than
half full tank. No wind, almost no gasoline, getting sucked
out the Golden Gate, we had a few minutes of anxiety.
Then the wind came up, and wow, we had a great
sail reaching across SF Bay near Alcatraz, and I gradually
reefed the main first once, then twice.
Oh, I neglected to mention that at the boat ramp
stepping of the masts, and sorting out the tangle
of lines is a pretty big deal, an hour plus.
It was hard to not feel competitive, but while we
felt like we were going very fast, we were being
passed by everybody. [No surprise, as we were
by far the shortest boat out there.] Though at one
point in time a 30 foot sailboat was trying to pass
me for over five minutes and had to sort out their
sails, trim, in order to succeed, clearly he was
struggling to pass the 15'6" oddity.
I will probably have to get used to explaining the
boat to onlookers, I am not exaggerating that
twenty people stopped by and wanted to talk
about the boat.
With the ongoing talk of yullohs, regardless,
I am very much happy to have had my motor
to get home during the last hour of daylight.
Motors cannot be beaten when you have no
wind and are short of time!
I have a pretty long list of tweaks I need/want
to make to the boat, plus a new resolve to
check the level of gasoline in the gas tank.
...shows pictures of my first sail of my Micro Navigator,
sorry, but I didn't have my act together enough to
get the 'from a distance' perspective shot.
Never the less, I feel a pretty good sense of accomplishment
sailing the boat after two years in the makin'.
This was my first experience sailing a cat yawl, and
it was fascinating trimming the sails and experiencing
the control of how the boat responded to the balance.
The photos were taken with nearly no wind at all,
just after than we dropped sail and motored to Angel
Island. After we got there I discovered that I probably
should have bought gasoline, starting with a less than
half full tank. No wind, almost no gasoline, getting sucked
out the Golden Gate, we had a few minutes of anxiety.
Then the wind came up, and wow, we had a great
sail reaching across SF Bay near Alcatraz, and I gradually
reefed the main first once, then twice.
Oh, I neglected to mention that at the boat ramp
stepping of the masts, and sorting out the tangle
of lines is a pretty big deal, an hour plus.
It was hard to not feel competitive, but while we
felt like we were going very fast, we were being
passed by everybody. [No surprise, as we were
by far the shortest boat out there.] Though at one
point in time a 30 foot sailboat was trying to pass
me for over five minutes and had to sort out their
sails, trim, in order to succeed, clearly he was
struggling to pass the 15'6" oddity.
I will probably have to get used to explaining the
boat to onlookers, I am not exaggerating that
twenty people stopped by and wanted to talk
about the boat.
With the ongoing talk of yullohs, regardless,
I am very much happy to have had my motor
to get home during the last hour of daylight.
Motors cannot be beaten when you have no
wind and are short of time!
I have a pretty long list of tweaks I need/want
to make to the boat, plus a new resolve to
check the level of gasoline in the gas tank.
Haven't gotten Bolger emails since last Tuesday. This has happened seemingly
spontaneously. I'm getting other emails just fine. I've reviewed my settings
at Yahoo. What other settings are involved? - Bill
spontaneously. I'm getting other emails just fine. I've reviewed my settings
at Yahoo. What other settings are involved? - Bill
I haven't gotten any group messages since Tuesday morning...- Bill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
any word on the progress of Sitka plans?
I faxed PB&F couple weeks ago but no response yet; maybe someone has an
update?
> > > Phil asked me to consider the Fiji basic hull design, but optimizedSITKA
> > > engine propulsion only.
>
> Fiji, with its Deutz diesel and Sonic Outdrive already
> has power capablity on par+ with Sitka Explorer,
> and these two boats are very similar in size.
>
> Fiji 39' x 11' 42hp
> Sitka 38' x 8 ft 30hp
any word on the progress of Sitka plans?
I faxed PB&F couple weeks ago but no response yet; maybe someone has an
update?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
and having no sails... you sort of get into that floating gin palace
syndrome... you need more range therfore more power, therefore a
bigger engine and more tankage and therefor more power. Not to
mention perhaps more electic generation capacity for all the extra
toys you can now carry:-)
Also, what about the advantages of a riding sail? Storm sail? Back-up
power if the engine breaks down?
I guess it all hinges on whethr or not you want off-shore capability.
Like for example if you live in San Fran and want to go up to Seattle
or Juneau, or down to San Diego or the Sea Of Cortez? Not even
talking about crossing oceans here:-)
Cheers, Nels
> > > Phil asked me to consider the Fiji basic hull design, butoptimized
> > > engine propulsion only.Yes, but I am wondering if the superstructure is higher and longer,
>
> Fiji, with its Deutz diesel and Sonic Outdrive already
> has power capablity on par+ with Sitka Explorer,
> and these two boats are very similar in size.
>
> Fiji 39' x 11' 42hp
> Sitka 38' x 8 ft 30hp
and having no sails... you sort of get into that floating gin palace
syndrome... you need more range therfore more power, therefore a
bigger engine and more tankage and therefor more power. Not to
mention perhaps more electic generation capacity for all the extra
toys you can now carry:-)
Also, what about the advantages of a riding sail? Storm sail? Back-up
power if the engine breaks down?
I guess it all hinges on whethr or not you want off-shore capability.
Like for example if you live in San Fran and want to go up to Seattle
or Juneau, or down to San Diego or the Sea Of Cortez? Not even
talking about crossing oceans here:-)
Cheers, Nels
> > Phil asked me to consider the Fiji basic hull design, but optimizedFiji, with its Deutz diesel and Sonic Outdrive already
> > engine propulsion only.
has power capablity on par+ with Sitka Explorer,
and these two boats are very similar in size.
Fiji 39' x 11' 42hp
Sitka 38' x 8 ft 30hp
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Gutermuth" <stefan-g@m...>
wrote:
I'd love to view the sketches but I don't really want to bother him
as I am unlikely to build it. Any chance of giving us an idea of what
they look like?
Is the overall height of the living quarters changed and extended?
What kind of propulsion is he advising? Would you still be installing
the centerboard and rudders? Full head and shower? Accomodations for
two couples? Will it be off-shore capable?
Or what are the charges for the study plans? I wonder if it will
appear in MAIB?
Thnaks, Nels
wrote:
> Phil asked me to consider the Fiji basic hull design, but optimizedfor
> engine propulsion only. That would free up some of the heightrestrictions,
> and allow more flexibility with the cabin design. More livingspace with
> the same hull shape. Phil actually has some sketches of thesealternate
> configurations. You might want to contact Bolger for some of thedesign
> options.Hi Stephan,
>
> Good Luck
I'd love to view the sketches but I don't really want to bother him
as I am unlikely to build it. Any chance of giving us an idea of what
they look like?
Is the overall height of the living quarters changed and extended?
What kind of propulsion is he advising? Would you still be installing
the centerboard and rudders? Full head and shower? Accomodations for
two couples? Will it be off-shore capable?
Or what are the charges for the study plans? I wonder if it will
appear in MAIB?
Thnaks, Nels
I have done a little research into "live aboard" Bolger designs. I have
built Bolger's 23' fully enclosed Water Van and several Mahogany Kayaks.
Fiji got my attention initially, as being about the right size to actually
live aboard. I asked for some study plans for review. Upon review, I
quickly realized that the motor sailor concept, while offering some
propulsion advantages, takes away from the available living space. Masts
and rigging have to go somewhere.
Phil asked me to consider the Fiji basic hull design, but optimized for
engine propulsion only. That would free up some of the height restrictions,
and allow more flexibility with the cabin design. More living space with
the same hull shape. Phil actually has some sketches of these alternate
configurations. You might want to contact Bolger for some of the design
options.
Good Luck
Stefan Gutermuth, V.P.
John O'Hara Company
Ph: 973-673-4676
Fx: 973-673-7141
Cl: 201-970-8007
stefan@...
-----Original Message-----
From: pilcct [mailto:pilcct@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:10 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Live aboard !?
- I am looking for a live-aboard boat , but not a "big" one.
- I don't wont to go "down" to it (step ladder), i have some "back"
problems and a .....dog.
- Maybe sail, maybe not , but wont to cross a ocean (Norway-England)
Have looked into "Tahiti ,Fiji,Shady Lady,All weather houseboat" ,
and many more.Need help to figure it out.
I have time,and will build a smaller boat first, but need some
bigger goals :-)
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built Bolger's 23' fully enclosed Water Van and several Mahogany Kayaks.
Fiji got my attention initially, as being about the right size to actually
live aboard. I asked for some study plans for review. Upon review, I
quickly realized that the motor sailor concept, while offering some
propulsion advantages, takes away from the available living space. Masts
and rigging have to go somewhere.
Phil asked me to consider the Fiji basic hull design, but optimized for
engine propulsion only. That would free up some of the height restrictions,
and allow more flexibility with the cabin design. More living space with
the same hull shape. Phil actually has some sketches of these alternate
configurations. You might want to contact Bolger for some of the design
options.
Good Luck
Stefan Gutermuth, V.P.
John O'Hara Company
Ph: 973-673-4676
Fx: 973-673-7141
Cl: 201-970-8007
stefan@...
-----Original Message-----
From: pilcct [mailto:pilcct@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:10 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Live aboard !?
- I am looking for a live-aboard boat , but not a "big" one.
- I don't wont to go "down" to it (step ladder), i have some "back"
problems and a .....dog.
- Maybe sail, maybe not , but wont to cross a ocean (Norway-England)
Have looked into "Tahiti ,Fiji,Shady Lady,All weather houseboat" ,
and many more.Need help to figure it out.
I have time,and will build a smaller boat first, but need some
bigger goals :-)
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
- stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
- Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
(978) 282-1349
- Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Yahoo! Groups Links
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pilcct" <pilcct@y...> wrote:
Main cabin and another three down to the sleeping quarters. Capable
of sailing any ocean, without having to go out on deck.
Not only that but you should get two free sets of plans with it. One
for elegant punt and one for Fast Brick so you can build them for
tune- ups and life boats.
I decided on a LONG MICRO instead, because I want something I can
trailer and have decided not to live aboard a boat full-time. I have
found that a mobile home is a better choice, especially with a heated
insulated workshop attached and a spare lot next door to park my
toys. I might add a prow shaped deck on the front and spray the grass
blue at some point;-)
Cheers, Nels
(Wondering if he will need a cooks helper?)
>England)
> - I am looking for a live-aboard boat , but not a "big" one.
> - I don't wont to go "down" to it (step ladder), i have some "back"
> problems and a .....dog.
> - Maybe sail, maybe not , but wont to cross a ocean (Norway-
>My choice - hands down - would be FIJI. Three easy steps down to the
> Have looked into "Tahiti ,Fiji,Shady Lady,All weather houseboat" ,
> and many more.Need help to figure it out.
>
> I have time,and will build a smaller boat first, but need some
> bigger goals :-)
Main cabin and another three down to the sleeping quarters. Capable
of sailing any ocean, without having to go out on deck.
Not only that but you should get two free sets of plans with it. One
for elegant punt and one for Fast Brick so you can build them for
tune- ups and life boats.
I decided on a LONG MICRO instead, because I want something I can
trailer and have decided not to live aboard a boat full-time. I have
found that a mobile home is a better choice, especially with a heated
insulated workshop attached and a spare lot next door to park my
toys. I might add a prow shaped deck on the front and spray the grass
blue at some point;-)
Cheers, Nels
(Wondering if he will need a cooks helper?)
> - I am looking for a live-aboard boat , but not a "big" one.The four boats you mentioned are all 'big' boats in my opinion.
> - I don't wont to go "down" to it (step ladder), i have some "back"
> problems and a .....dog.
> - Maybe sail, maybe not , but wont to cross a ocean (Norway-England)
>
> Have looked into "Tahiti ,Fiji,Shady Lady,All weather houseboat" ,
> and many more.Need help to figure it out.
>
> I have time,and will build a smaller boat first, but need some
> bigger goals :-)
> pilcct
I am not sure what you mean about not wanting to go 'down',
as almost for certain, as boats need to keep out the water,
therefore the access into the boat is from 'up' to 'down'.
As you suggest you can accept 'smaller', a couple Bolger boats to
consider might be Advanced Sharpie 29 "AS29", and the
Jessie Cooper, 25 feet long. While ugly to some eyes, they are
capable live-a-board boats.
http://www.towndock.net/shipping/2004_05_01_shiparchive.html
[page down about halfway] has an article of an AS29 live-a-board.
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/
...describes a Jessie Cooper live-a-board.
- I am looking for a live-aboard boat , but not a "big" one.
- I don't wont to go "down" to it (step ladder), i have some "back"
problems and a .....dog.
- Maybe sail, maybe not , but wont to cross a ocean (Norway-England)
Have looked into "Tahiti ,Fiji,Shady Lady,All weather houseboat" ,
and many more.Need help to figure it out.
I have time,and will build a smaller boat first, but need some
bigger goals :-)
- I don't wont to go "down" to it (step ladder), i have some "back"
problems and a .....dog.
- Maybe sail, maybe not , but wont to cross a ocean (Norway-England)
Have looked into "Tahiti ,Fiji,Shady Lady,All weather houseboat" ,
and many more.Need help to figure it out.
I have time,and will build a smaller boat first, but need some
bigger goals :-)