Re: [bolger] Re: Tippy Bill?
>>> Hi Tippy Bill,Does the Romilly still use a boomless lugsail? If so, it would be
interesting to compare the upwind performance with a Chebacco,
especially on the 'bad tack' for the Romilly:-)
Cheers,
Nels >>>
Indeed! Mind you, though boomless, the sail has several full-width battens which must make up for the lack of boom, to some extent. The very high mast and high aspect ratio of the sail must help her a lot, too. Irens is a designer to be reckoned with!
BTW - for those of you 'not in the know' Nigel Irens also designed B&Q, in which Ellen Macarthur beat the round-the-world single-handed record two weels ago.
Bill
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
suspect the Romilly will have it. Not surprising, since even the
carbon spars for a Romilly cost more than all the materials needed to
build a Chebacco!
Hi Tippy Bill,
Does the Romilly still use a boomless lugsail? If so, it would be
interesting to compare the upwind performance with a Chebacco,
especially on the 'bad tack' for the Romilly:-)
Cheers,
Nels
> Interestingly, he's been out in company with a home-built NigelIrens' Romilly. He hasn't said how the performance compares, but I
suspect the Romilly will have it. Not surprising, since even the
carbon spars for a Romilly cost more than all the materials needed to
build a Chebacco!
Hi Tippy Bill,
Does the Romilly still use a boomless lugsail? If so, it would be
interesting to compare the upwind performance with a Chebacco,
especially on the 'bad tack' for the Romilly:-)
Cheers,
Nels
>>>I believe Richard Elkan is the current owner of Sylvester.As far as I know, Sylvester is the only Chebacco in the UK, though I'd
love to be disabused of this notion.>>>
Hi Dan,
Have you by any chance met Richard Elkan? Lovely guy! He tells me a sailor in a Drascombe Lugger greeted him off the Essex coast with "Is that Bill's boat?"
I hadn't realised my notoriety had spread that far. Anyway, Richard confirmed that it was the same Sylvester, before showing a clean pair of heels to the Drascombe ;-)
At the moment I believe he has Sylvester moored at Greenwich Yacht Club in London, though he may have changed the name. Interestingly, he's been out in company with a home-built Nigel Irens' Romilly. He hasn't said how the performance compares, but I suspect the Romilly will have it. Not surprising, since even the carbon spars for a Romilly cost more than all the materials needed to build a Chebacco!
Anyway - as far as I know nobody else in the UK has a Chebacco, more's the pity.
Cheers,
Bill
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I'm toying with one from Tulsa to Mexico...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Heins" <eheins@c...> wrote:
>
>
> Anybody fancy a Chebacco cruise from Florida to Bimini?
>
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> Greetings Ed, Bill, Jamie, Dan (you're the Bill'sUnfortunately no, though when I saw the advert for her in an old
> Sylvester's new captain and swabbie?).
Chebacco News online I was somewhat disappointed both that she'd been
sold, and that even if she were still available I couldn't have afforded
to buy her. I believe Richard Elkan is the current owner of Sylvester.
As far as I know, Sylvester is the only Chebacco in the UK, though I'd
love to be disabused of this notion.
I've found tippy to be a
> subjective sense, and I've found the dreams of many for the ChebaccoI've not read anything where PCB suggested she'd be suitable for the
> to be subjective -- and this seems to include its designer who
> offered the opinion that she'd do the Atlantic. Dan, don't try it!
> I know you want to sail with us, but...:)
Atlantic, though he does say she might be capable of a North Sea
crossing given good weather and an experienced crew (if I recall
correctly). If I were planning such an expedition I'd put the boat on a
trailer, drive it under the Tyne tunnel to North Shields ferry terminal,
and take it across the North Sea in comfort.
I'm still at the examining books and study plans whilst changing my mind
stage of boatbuilding, having grown dissatisfied with hiring other
people's boats. I'd like to build a Chebacco, probably to the revised
long cabin design (or some variant thereof), but my back yard is a few
feet too small in both directions for that to be feasable. My first
exposure to Bolger's work was finding www.chebacco.com and I still think
that the Chebacco is one of the prettiest boats I've ever seen.
Currently, I'm thinking of building something in the 12-15 foot range to
get some practice (and to get a boat fairly quickly so I can do some
sailing), possibly a Japanese Beach Cruiser (now I've found my copy of
BWAOM for the first time in six months or so). The plan after that is a
folding schooner, as that's easily the biggest boat I could build in the
space available. (I would need to open the back gates in order to unfold
it, but I'm not planning to store it there after it's been built.)
Dan
A Fla-Bimini sail? The Palm Beach inlet to West End is a short haul,
and except for the crossing of the Gulf Stream, would be an easy
thing in the right sort of weather. But I've heard the Bahamians
have some heavy fees in line for incoming foreign boaters, though I
don't know if the Chebacco is exempt or at a lower rate than the
megayachts. -- But we'll talk it up, think about it, plan for
it...and p.p.p.p.possibly do it! -- Dick
and except for the crossing of the Gulf Stream, would be an easy
thing in the right sort of weather. But I've heard the Bahamians
have some heavy fees in line for incoming foreign boaters, though I
don't know if the Chebacco is exempt or at a lower rate than the
megayachts. -- But we'll talk it up, think about it, plan for
it...and p.p.p.p.possibly do it! -- Dick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Heins" <eheins@c...> wrote:
>
>
> Anybody fancy a Chebacco cruise from Florida to Bimini?
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
described as a 'micro lifeboat' so how much safer could I be? ;^D
would choose a Chebbaco over that.
Although Chebacco may be feel a bit "tiddly" at anchor, if it is
similar to the the way Bolger describes Seabird 86, that does not
indicate that it is unseaworthy in waves.
The hull "hardens up" considerably once the second chine meets the
water under press of sail. This actually has a "cushioning effect" on
the boat being tossed around so much. In big waves it would be riding
them much more effectively than a Micro type flat bottom and also not
pounding.
If you look at the midship cross-section of a Chebacco, it looks
almost exactly the same as a Viking longship and apparently a few of
them crossed between Britain and Norway:-)
The main differences are the longships where, well - longer - with
higher ends and less danger of being pooped. They were build with
wide cedar strakes instead of plywood and they did not have the dry
shelter of a Chebacco.
Cheers, Nels
> Billpunt across the North Sea to Norway! After all, it has been
>
> PS I think I'll celebrate being a UK citizen by rowing my Shoebox
described as a 'micro lifeboat' so how much safer could I be? ;^D
>One of your countrymen did it in a West Wight Potter I have heard. I
would choose a Chebbaco over that.
Although Chebacco may be feel a bit "tiddly" at anchor, if it is
similar to the the way Bolger describes Seabird 86, that does not
indicate that it is unseaworthy in waves.
The hull "hardens up" considerably once the second chine meets the
water under press of sail. This actually has a "cushioning effect" on
the boat being tossed around so much. In big waves it would be riding
them much more effectively than a Micro type flat bottom and also not
pounding.
If you look at the midship cross-section of a Chebacco, it looks
almost exactly the same as a Viking longship and apparently a few of
them crossed between Britain and Norway:-)
The main differences are the longships where, well - longer - with
higher ends and less danger of being pooped. They were build with
wide cedar strakes instead of plywood and they did not have the dry
shelter of a Chebacco.
Cheers, Nels
At the very least I'm pleased to find the vocal Chebacco fans all
present! Greetings Ed, Bill, Jamie, Dan (you're the Bill's
Sylvester's new captain and swabbie?). I've found tippy to be a
subjective sense, and I've found the dreams of many for the Chebacco
to be subjective -- and this seems to include its designer who
offered the opinion that she'd do the Atlantic. Dan, don't try it!
I know you want to sail with us, but...:)
I'd not think to take our Chebacco on a trans-Atlantic sail,
although, like Tim Smith I'd cross from Cape Cod to the islands...if
weather looked good, forecasters said 'yes' and the wind was there
and fate smiled that morning. And, and, and.
But this thread reveals, yet again, that the Chebacco sheet ply is
indeed a fine design that proves itself in many (sensible) hands when
in appropriate waters. The impulse to start the thread was proably,
once again, the latest 'design improvements' (shown in MAIB) as well
as what I thought to be Bill's concern over tippiness that seemed to
not rest well with my experience. Yet, assuming (incorrectly?) that
Bolger was 'correcting' the design in his latest reworking, I was
seeking two ways of 'correcting' the original design (and I'm
convinced by all that it is a waste of time and thought): heavier CB,
extendable coamings. And I wasn't thinking of making those changes,
at least not until "Stealing Horses" has some nautical miles under
her. Plus, might I add, holding the mainsail without spilling air
while taking solid water over a coaming isn't something I'd imagine
doing...ever. Stabilty to 90 deg.? I'd let go way way before that.
ANd I'd never cleat a mains'l and fall asleep, would I?
Ed might think he is the slowest Chebacco builder on record, but Ed,
move aside sir! I suspect I'm the hands down champion even with
several years in Papua New Guinea and a year in Malaysia and a year
on the fix-it-up at home curriculum, still I'm slow pokey and of
course I work in an unheated barn in a 4 season climate. I'm aghast
to think that next sailing season might come and go without being on
the water, but...all gods willing...we'll be there, even if we have
to hold sails to masts with our teeth. And it'll be a 'built-to-
design' boat too! See you at St. Michaels, y'all, and see you in New
England too. -- Dick
present! Greetings Ed, Bill, Jamie, Dan (you're the Bill's
Sylvester's new captain and swabbie?). I've found tippy to be a
subjective sense, and I've found the dreams of many for the Chebacco
to be subjective -- and this seems to include its designer who
offered the opinion that she'd do the Atlantic. Dan, don't try it!
I know you want to sail with us, but...:)
I'd not think to take our Chebacco on a trans-Atlantic sail,
although, like Tim Smith I'd cross from Cape Cod to the islands...if
weather looked good, forecasters said 'yes' and the wind was there
and fate smiled that morning. And, and, and.
But this thread reveals, yet again, that the Chebacco sheet ply is
indeed a fine design that proves itself in many (sensible) hands when
in appropriate waters. The impulse to start the thread was proably,
once again, the latest 'design improvements' (shown in MAIB) as well
as what I thought to be Bill's concern over tippiness that seemed to
not rest well with my experience. Yet, assuming (incorrectly?) that
Bolger was 'correcting' the design in his latest reworking, I was
seeking two ways of 'correcting' the original design (and I'm
convinced by all that it is a waste of time and thought): heavier CB,
extendable coamings. And I wasn't thinking of making those changes,
at least not until "Stealing Horses" has some nautical miles under
her. Plus, might I add, holding the mainsail without spilling air
while taking solid water over a coaming isn't something I'd imagine
doing...ever. Stabilty to 90 deg.? I'd let go way way before that.
ANd I'd never cleat a mains'l and fall asleep, would I?
Ed might think he is the slowest Chebacco builder on record, but Ed,
move aside sir! I suspect I'm the hands down champion even with
several years in Papua New Guinea and a year in Malaysia and a year
on the fix-it-up at home curriculum, still I'm slow pokey and of
course I work in an unheated barn in a 4 season climate. I'm aghast
to think that next sailing season might come and go without being on
the water, but...all gods willing...we'll be there, even if we have
to hold sails to masts with our teeth. And it'll be a 'built-to-
design' boat too! See you at St. Michaels, y'all, and see you in New
England too. -- Dick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
> >>>Just to put this into perspective, in the UK there's nothing to
stop you
> building (or indeed buying) a Chebacco or any other boat that
doesn't
> meet this criterion and taking it onto the open ocean (apart from
any
> common sense you may have), it just means that you can't advertise
it as
> suitable for use on the open ocean.
>
> Dan>>>
>
> Correct, Dan. In France, however, they won't let you leave harbour
without showing that you meet their very stringent regulations
regarding equipment, fitness for purpose of the boat and so on.
Rumour has it that all French harbourmasters work chandlery sales on
the side, though I'm sure that's a scurrilous libel! [OTOH maybe
their brothers-in-law are chandlers?]
>
> Bill
>
> PS I think I'll celebrate being a UK citizen by rowing my Shoebox
punt across the North Sea to Norway! After all, it has been
described as a 'micro lifeboat' so how much safer could I be? ;^D
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Anybody fancy a Chebacco cruise from Florida to Bimini?
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>>>Just to put this into perspective, in the UK there's nothing to stop youbuilding (or indeed buying) a Chebacco or any other boat that doesn't
meet this criterion and taking it onto the open ocean (apart from any
common sense you may have), it just means that you can't advertise it as
suitable for use on the open ocean.
Dan>>>
Correct, Dan. In France, however, they won't let you leave harbour without showing that you meet their very stringent regulations regarding equipment, fitness for purpose of the boat and so on. Rumour has it that all French harbourmasters work chandlery sales on the side, though I'm sure that's a scurrilous libel! [OTOH maybe their brothers-in-law are chandlers?]
Bill
PS I think I'll celebrate being a UK citizen by rowing my Shoebox punt across the North Sea to Norway! After all, it has been described as a 'micro lifeboat' so how much safer could I be? ;^D
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> At the risk of sounding anally European, no recreational small sailing boat on this side of the pond can be legally sold for open ocean use unless she self-rights from a hundred and something degrees. The standard Chebacco certainly won't do that.Just to put this into perspective, in the UK there's nothing to stop you
building (or indeed buying) a Chebacco or any other boat that doesn't
meet this criterion and taking it onto the open ocean (apart from any
common sense you may have), it just means that you can't advertise it as
suitable for use on the open ocean.
Dan
Interesting comments all. I conclude that 'tippiness' is in the inner ear of the sailor!
But coming back to where we started; Chebacco surviving extreme conditions in open ocean, Phil's 'shallow draft' philosophy, Romp passing through a hurricane with 'no anxiety' and so on, Chebacco just isn't that kind of boat. She's for semi-protected waters; though, as Phil said, without bad luck, she'd probably survive a trip the open ocean quite well. Whether the skipper would survive being tossed around is another matter.
At the risk of sounding anally European, no recreational small sailing boat on this side of the pond can be legally sold for open ocean use unless she self-rights from a hundred and something degrees. The standard Chebacco certainly won't do that.
Bill
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But coming back to where we started; Chebacco surviving extreme conditions in open ocean, Phil's 'shallow draft' philosophy, Romp passing through a hurricane with 'no anxiety' and so on, Chebacco just isn't that kind of boat. She's for semi-protected waters; though, as Phil said, without bad luck, she'd probably survive a trip the open ocean quite well. Whether the skipper would survive being tossed around is another matter.
At the risk of sounding anally European, no recreational small sailing boat on this side of the pond can be legally sold for open ocean use unless she self-rights from a hundred and something degrees. The standard Chebacco certainly won't do that.
Bill
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And here's my two bits worth...
I don't find my Chebacco tippy -- it's less stable at rest than
keelboats I've sailed, but no one's ever had trouble with it or even
commented on it. I often walk along the side decks with the boom
tent up, and haven't fallen in (yet).
As far as adding ballast to the centreboard, that won't help much as
the effect of the ballast is only felt when she starts to heel, it
has minimal effect at rest. Given a Chebacco's narrow bottom,
stepping on to the side deck is bound to cause movement. If you
can't live with that, you'll have to widen the bottom -- but then
you've got a different hull entirely.
Didn't Tim Smith's boat come with 300# of ballast built in? I think
taking it out was the first thing he did.
Why not build her and sail her first, you can always change the
centreboard later.
Jamie
I don't find my Chebacco tippy -- it's less stable at rest than
keelboats I've sailed, but no one's ever had trouble with it or even
commented on it. I often walk along the side decks with the boom
tent up, and haven't fallen in (yet).
As far as adding ballast to the centreboard, that won't help much as
the effect of the ballast is only felt when she starts to heel, it
has minimal effect at rest. Given a Chebacco's narrow bottom,
stepping on to the side deck is bound to cause movement. If you
can't live with that, you'll have to widen the bottom -- but then
you've got a different hull entirely.
Didn't Tim Smith's boat come with 300# of ballast built in? I think
taking it out was the first thing he did.
Why not build her and sail her first, you can always change the
centreboard later.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, eheins@c... wrote:
> Dick & Bill,
>
> I think "tippiness" is relative to what you've been
accustomed to.
> As far as I'm concerned Boudicea's much more stable than I would
have
> expected, probably due to the hard chines. I have owned a kenner
> kittiwake (24ft, 1800 lb ballast full keel 3 ft draft, displ 3000
lbs) and
> the Chebaco is not much more difficult to walk on deck on than
that. I
> find that if my 200 lbs can stand on a rail and it not roll over,
it's got
> enough initial stability for me. The Chebacco will do that almost
as well
> as the Kittiwake. The one difference being that the Kittiwake
would roll
> 25 - 30 degrees and be rock solid. It would spill air before
capsizing.
> Boudicea probably won't do that and I'm not anxious to test it.
>
> In the meantime, showing pure diplomacy, I have to say that
you're
> both right. It is more "dinghy like" than "keelboat like". But
> then again I needed a 3/4 ton pickup to haul the keelboat around so
> I didn't do that very much. This summer if my bride will sew up a
> nice bag for me to store the sail, boom, gaff combo in, I should
> be able to trailer launch & recover in short order.
>
> Having said all that, Dick, my only further suggestion is to
get
> out there & get building so you can dispute or deny my claims.
> Having much experience in the procrastination arts, (maybe the
> longest ongoing Chebacco project in history) I know of what I
> speak.
>
> Ed Heins
> On the banks of the Shenandoah river waiting for spring.
Dick & Bill,
I think "tippiness" is relative to what you've been accustomed to.
As far as I'm concerned Boudicea's much more stable than I would have
expected, probably due to the hard chines. I have owned a kenner
kittiwake (24ft, 1800 lb ballast full keel 3 ft draft, displ 3000 lbs) and
the Chebaco is not much more difficult to walk on deck on than that. I
find that if my 200 lbs can stand on a rail and it not roll over, it's got
enough initial stability for me. The Chebacco will do that almost as well
as the Kittiwake. The one difference being that the Kittiwake would roll
25 - 30 degrees and be rock solid. It would spill air before capsizing.
Boudicea probably won't do that and I'm not anxious to test it.
In the meantime, showing pure diplomacy, I have to say that you're
both right. It is more "dinghy like" than "keelboat like". But
then again I needed a 3/4 ton pickup to haul the keelboat around so
I didn't do that very much. This summer if my bride will sew up a
nice bag for me to store the sail, boom, gaff combo in, I should
be able to trailer launch & recover in short order.
Having said all that, Dick, my only further suggestion is to get
out there & get building so you can dispute or deny my claims.
Having much experience in the procrastination arts, (maybe the
longest ongoing Chebacco project in history) I know of what I
speak.
Ed Heins
On the banks of the Shenandoah river waiting for spring.
I think "tippiness" is relative to what you've been accustomed to.
As far as I'm concerned Boudicea's much more stable than I would have
expected, probably due to the hard chines. I have owned a kenner
kittiwake (24ft, 1800 lb ballast full keel 3 ft draft, displ 3000 lbs) and
the Chebaco is not much more difficult to walk on deck on than that. I
find that if my 200 lbs can stand on a rail and it not roll over, it's got
enough initial stability for me. The Chebacco will do that almost as well
as the Kittiwake. The one difference being that the Kittiwake would roll
25 - 30 degrees and be rock solid. It would spill air before capsizing.
Boudicea probably won't do that and I'm not anxious to test it.
In the meantime, showing pure diplomacy, I have to say that you're
both right. It is more "dinghy like" than "keelboat like". But
then again I needed a 3/4 ton pickup to haul the keelboat around so
I didn't do that very much. This summer if my bride will sew up a
nice bag for me to store the sail, boom, gaff combo in, I should
be able to trailer launch & recover in short order.
Having said all that, Dick, my only further suggestion is to get
out there & get building so you can dispute or deny my claims.
Having much experience in the procrastination arts, (maybe the
longest ongoing Chebacco project in history) I know of what I
speak.
Ed Heins
On the banks of the Shenandoah river waiting for spring.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
stepping into a dinghy.
described by Bolger as "tiddly at anchor on account of the narrow
waterline". I believe the narrow bottom compromise was made so the
hull would fit on a standard trailer.
That is why I chose a 20' Long Micro over a 23 'Seabird 86 or the 25
foot Chebacco, for a part-time liveboard. The additional wetted
surface would mean I would use the iron jib sooner and since I will
be in port most of the time this is felt to be a good compromise and
also charges up the batteries:-)
As for looks from passers by, I am sure the Seabird would win hands
down. As for me watching the passers by from inside the cabin, my
view would be much the same.
Cheers,
Nels
> Hi Dick,had experience of.
>
> I'm talking here about the sheet ply version - the only one I've
>more than a typical keelboat of the same length would. It's like
> When you step off the dock onto the bench you feel it heeling much
stepping into a dinghy.
>but harder bilges would have much more effect.
> Sure - a few hundred pounds of ballast would reduce the tendency,
>and slow her down.
> Unfortunately, harder bilges would also increase the wetted area
>Seabird '86 has a full keel and 1000 lb. lead ballest yet is also
> It's always a compromise.
>
> Bill
described by Bolger as "tiddly at anchor on account of the narrow
waterline". I believe the narrow bottom compromise was made so the
hull would fit on a standard trailer.
That is why I chose a 20' Long Micro over a 23 'Seabird 86 or the 25
foot Chebacco, for a part-time liveboard. The additional wetted
surface would mean I would use the iron jib sooner and since I will
be in port most of the time this is felt to be a good compromise and
also charges up the batteries:-)
As for looks from passers by, I am sure the Seabird would win hands
down. As for me watching the passers by from inside the cabin, my
view would be much the same.
Cheers,
Nels
Hi Dick,
I'm talking here about the sheet ply version - the only one I've had experience of.
When you step off the dock onto the bench you feel it heeling much more than a typical keelboat of the same length would. It's like stepping into a dinghy.
Sure - a few hundred pounds of ballast would reduce the tendency, but harder bilges would have much more effect.
Unfortunately, harder bilges would also increase the wetted area and slow her down.
It's always a compromise.
Bill
I'm talking here about the sheet ply version - the only one I've had experience of.
When you step off the dock onto the bench you feel it heeling much more than a typical keelboat of the same length would. It's like stepping into a dinghy.
Sure - a few hundred pounds of ballast would reduce the tendency, but harder bilges would have much more effect.
Unfortunately, harder bilges would also increase the wetted area and slow her down.
It's always a compromise.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: seagulloutb
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:47 PM
Subject: [bolger] Tippy Bill?
Bill Samson's description of the Chebacco as tippy has me wondering.
Surely it will be more tippy than a deep keel solid timber boat, but
having been in 2 Chebaccos (the now-named Lark built by Brad Story
and sailed by Tim Smith, and Ed Hein's self-build), I didn't
experience anything near to the level of tipiness that my canoe can
induce. In fact, in placid waters, it was lovely -- one could move
about without jiggling a thing.... So, I'm wondering if, as Bill
suggests, the design (and I wonder as a long long term builder of the
design) if stability might not be improved, if one finds a need for
it, by adding weight to the CB and also, if further needed, of coming
up with some sort of coaming extender? A simple (oh, yeah, sure)
exchange of the ply CB with its mere 18 lbs. of lead for a solid
steel one, for example--that might keep things from rolling about;
and perhaps something of a canvas or sliding coaming extender on
cockpit for increasing the height of the opening? - Dick
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Bill Samson's description of the Chebacco as tippy has me wondering.
Surely it will be more tippy than a deep keel solid timber boat, but
having been in 2 Chebaccos (the now-named Lark built by Brad Story
and sailed by Tim Smith, and Ed Hein's self-build), I didn't
experience anything near to the level of tipiness that my canoe can
induce. In fact, in placid waters, it was lovely -- one could move
about without jiggling a thing.... So, I'm wondering if, as Bill
suggests, the design (and I wonder as a long long term builder of the
design) if stability might not be improved, if one finds a need for
it, by adding weight to the CB and also, if further needed, of coming
up with some sort of coaming extender? A simple (oh, yeah, sure)
exchange of the ply CB with its mere 18 lbs. of lead for a solid
steel one, for example--that might keep things from rolling about;
and perhaps something of a canvas or sliding coaming extender on
cockpit for increasing the height of the opening? - Dick
Surely it will be more tippy than a deep keel solid timber boat, but
having been in 2 Chebaccos (the now-named Lark built by Brad Story
and sailed by Tim Smith, and Ed Hein's self-build), I didn't
experience anything near to the level of tipiness that my canoe can
induce. In fact, in placid waters, it was lovely -- one could move
about without jiggling a thing.... So, I'm wondering if, as Bill
suggests, the design (and I wonder as a long long term builder of the
design) if stability might not be improved, if one finds a need for
it, by adding weight to the CB and also, if further needed, of coming
up with some sort of coaming extender? A simple (oh, yeah, sure)
exchange of the ply CB with its mere 18 lbs. of lead for a solid
steel one, for example--that might keep things from rolling about;
and perhaps something of a canvas or sliding coaming extender on
cockpit for increasing the height of the opening? - Dick