Re: [bolger] Re: Alternative to the Chebacco?
>>>On the Chebacco in the UK, though, is it indeed a 'savvy' boat foryour waters or are other designs such as Dix's more appropriate?
Do you plan some interesting kayaking trips this coming season?
Dick>>>
It's hard to say how 'savvy' the Chebacco is around here (or any other sailing boat for that matter!). A decade or so ago I'd have said 'yes', because there were plenty of days when winds were moderate (F2 to F4) and Chebacco sailing was fine.
My impression now is that, in Scotland at least, there's a climatic trend away from days of moderate wind to a mixture of days of flat calm, and days of F6+ winds, with little in between. So you spend your time with the OB on to get anywhere, or to avoid having the sails up at all. The guys in the local 'racing' club tell me the same - Their records show that over the past 5 or 6 years an increasing number of races are cancelled because of lack of wind, and the ones that take place keep the rescue boats busy with capsizes and broaches.
That's what has made me drift in the direction of kayaks; on the many calm days I can go anywhere while the sailors are whistling for a wind. I don't bother going out on the rough days, or I drive to a more sheltered inland loch for a paddle.
If I were to build another bigger boat (which I'm not) it'd be a power boat or at least a motor sailer; the heavier the better.
Bill
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Hi Bill,
I envy you that Water Craft mag. There's some fine boat mags coming
out of the UK--I used to find them in the Japanese bookstore in
Singapore...Traditional Watercraft, I think, was the name of one.
Dudly Dix's designs are quite interesting and this one is very nice.
But, it cannot stand in the same league as the more lowly Chebacco
because of cost, at least that's my take. There's all kinds of nice
things about Dix's design that appeal but the same could be said
about other, unaffordable, designs. I'm readily placated by simply
looking at the Chebacco in the barn. Plus, having done 85% of her,
I'd be looney to ever start another boat of that size again!
On the Chebacco in the UK, though, is it indeed a 'savvy' boat for
your waters or are other designs such as Dix's more appropriate?
Do you plan some interesting kayaking trips this coming season?
Dick
I envy you that Water Craft mag. There's some fine boat mags coming
out of the UK--I used to find them in the Japanese bookstore in
Singapore...Traditional Watercraft, I think, was the name of one.
Dudly Dix's designs are quite interesting and this one is very nice.
But, it cannot stand in the same league as the more lowly Chebacco
because of cost, at least that's my take. There's all kinds of nice
things about Dix's design that appeal but the same could be said
about other, unaffordable, designs. I'm readily placated by simply
looking at the Chebacco in the barn. Plus, having done 85% of her,
I'd be looney to ever start another boat of that size again!
On the Chebacco in the UK, though, is it indeed a 'savvy' boat for
your waters or are other designs such as Dix's more appropriate?
Do you plan some interesting kayaking trips this coming season?
Dick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My copy of Water Craft arrived today with an article in it on the
construction of the Cape Henry 21 - designed by Dudley Dix.
>
> The Cape Henry has a lapstrake ply hull, quite similar to that of
the lapstrake Chebacco, but has a gaff cutter rig. It's made from
3/8" ply over ply bulkheads and stringers. Doesn't look any harder
than the lapstrake Chebacco.
>
> The displacement is over 3000 pounds, over twice as much as a
Chebacco-20, though I'm not sure how much of that would be ballast.
She has a centreboard and is trailerable.
>
> The downside is the cost of the plans $400 plus, though full size
mylar patterns are available at extra cost.
>
> Anyway, the website ishttp://dixdesign.com/ch21.htm
>
> Bill
>
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The boat weights twice as much as the chebacco, with 1200lb of
ballast, and twice the sail area.
Might be a good "off-shore" version, if you are wanting a 20ft wooden
boat to take you to the Bahamas.
However, the chebacco is a much better weekender, especialy the Light
Cruiser. Easier to tow, easier to sail (and certainly easier to
single-hand)
Speed difference would be hard to figure. It weighs more and has more
wetted surface, but has twice the sail area. I would bet that a
Chebacco would hold it's own or win off the wind, and fall behind
slowly to windward.
About what happens when I "race" standard white fiberglass sloops
with white sails and blue sail covers... :-)
ballast, and twice the sail area.
Might be a good "off-shore" version, if you are wanting a 20ft wooden
boat to take you to the Bahamas.
However, the chebacco is a much better weekender, especialy the Light
Cruiser. Easier to tow, easier to sail (and certainly easier to
single-hand)
Speed difference would be hard to figure. It weighs more and has more
wetted surface, but has twice the sail area. I would bet that a
Chebacco would hold it's own or win off the wind, and fall behind
slowly to windward.
About what happens when I "race" standard white fiberglass sloops
with white sails and blue sail covers... :-)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My copy of Water Craft arrived today with an article in it on the
construction of the Cape Henry 21 - designed by Dudley Dix.
>
> The Cape Henry has a lapstrake ply hull, quite similar to that of
the lapstrake Chebacco, but has a gaff cutter rig. It's made from
3/8" ply over ply bulkheads and stringers. Doesn't look any harder
than the lapstrake Chebacco.
>
> The displacement is over 3000 pounds, over twice as much as a
Chebacco-20, though I'm not sure how much of that would be ballast.
She has a centreboard and is trailerable.
>
> The downside is the cost of the plans $400 plus, though full size
mylar patterns are available at extra cost.
>
> Anyway, the website ishttp://dixdesign.com/ch21.htm
>
> Bill
>
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Certainly not as easily handled as a mast in tabernacle, with rigging
attached. I spend more time pulling the sail cover off than rigging
the boat.
That said, that is certainly a pretty boat, and the cutter rig would
give you many options for reefing.
attached. I spend more time pulling the sail cover off than rigging
the boat.
That said, that is certainly a pretty boat, and the cutter rig would
give you many options for reefing.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...>
wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My copy of Water Craft arrived today with an article in it on the
> construction of the Cape Henry 21 - designed by Dudley Dix.
> >
> How tall and easy to handle is the mast, is the first thing I
always
> ask, when a boat is advertised as being trailerable?
>
> To me the shorter one looks more similar to the Chebacco.
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
ask, when a boat is advertised as being trailerable?
To me the shorter one looks more similar to the Chebacco.
Cheers, Nels
> Hi all,construction of the Cape Henry 21 - designed by Dudley Dix.
>
> My copy of Water Craft arrived today with an article in it on the
>How tall and easy to handle is the mast, is the first thing I always
ask, when a boat is advertised as being trailerable?
To me the shorter one looks more similar to the Chebacco.
Cheers, Nels
Hi all,
My copy of Water Craft arrived today with an article in it on the construction of the Cape Henry 21 - designed by Dudley Dix.
The Cape Henry has a lapstrake ply hull, quite similar to that of the lapstrake Chebacco, but has a gaff cutter rig. It's made from 3/8" ply over ply bulkheads and stringers. Doesn't look any harder than the lapstrake Chebacco.
The displacement is over 3000 pounds, over twice as much as a Chebacco-20, though I'm not sure how much of that would be ballast. She has a centreboard and is trailerable.
The downside is the cost of the plans $400 plus, though full size mylar patterns are available at extra cost.
Anyway, the website ishttp://dixdesign.com/ch21.htm
Bill
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My copy of Water Craft arrived today with an article in it on the construction of the Cape Henry 21 - designed by Dudley Dix.
The Cape Henry has a lapstrake ply hull, quite similar to that of the lapstrake Chebacco, but has a gaff cutter rig. It's made from 3/8" ply over ply bulkheads and stringers. Doesn't look any harder than the lapstrake Chebacco.
The displacement is over 3000 pounds, over twice as much as a Chebacco-20, though I'm not sure how much of that would be ballast. She has a centreboard and is trailerable.
The downside is the cost of the plans $400 plus, though full size mylar patterns are available at extra cost.
Anyway, the website ishttp://dixdesign.com/ch21.htm
Bill
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