Re: [bolger] Re: Dr. Vincent Reddish
>>sails with a short gaff and a sprit boom which actually hadthe snotter at the outboard end.>>
Indeed. Snotters are always best kept outboard. >:-[ Blowing your nose downwind can help.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "o_alemao2003" <o_alemao2003@y...>
wrote:
Great to hear from you! Please let us know what the response is to
your query with PCB. I would be willing to share the cost of such an
upgrade comission.
I read the articles that are posted in junkrig. The information that
Dr. Reddish and his wife built a large sail on their front lawn in
two days using a poly tarp and some bamboo sticks and rope and then
were able to tack upwind in less than 100 degrees is pretty eye-
opening! Later I read the letter posted to Craig O'Donnell and shared
by Bill Samson with a later update from Dr. Reddish where he has
incorporated some shape into the panels and is using stiffer battens
which resulted in even better performance! I think this is from 1998
so now I am curious as to what the latest news may be and to get as
much information as I can about the Reddish sail. Then of course
there is also the updated information on this site from several lug
nuts that is very intriguing:-)
Also I am interested in how Jason Stansil will do with his Micro
Naviagator using a balanced lug from a Martha Jane. Of course the big
change between using a lug sail of any type and the standard, or
Chinese gaff rig, is in the mast location. The question being - how
far further aft would the lug mast have to be? A mast location
further aft may have some sailing advantage since the bow will be
more buoyant in head seas and therefor less pounding perhaps.
However it may encrouch on the cabin. In a Long Micro, this may not
be a big problem as the forward cabin area is where the galley is
located. I have an "idea" of how one could have a second mast
location similar to the one proposed for the One Man Liveaboard, in
which a waterproof sealed pipe would be used as a mast location. It
could then be closed off on top if one did not want to use the lug or
junk rig.
The last time I contacted PCB&F they were too busy to look at a LM
Navigator and were considering a plywood version of Colonel Hasler,
which to me would be far too complicated to build.
This summer I am hoping to do some comparisons between a Micro with
the standard rig and one with a Chinese gaff rig. Then there is
another sailor in northern Canada testing out a Reddish rig, and
Jason testing a balanced lug. Perhaps somewhere in between the
beautiful simplicity of a dipping lug and the complexity of the junk
sail is the perfect solution.
Cheers, Nels
wrote:
>There are several articles in the junkrig files
> Hi, everybody
> by Vincent Reddish himself explaining the decoded junkrig and givingand junkrigged AS-29 Builder.
> advice how to construct them. The articles have been posted
> by "jitzuan", who´s nobody less than Leo W. Foltz, german sailor
> Me, myself have sent a fax 2 days ago to the Man himself, meaningof course PCB, asking for Long Micro plans with a Navigator/Chinese
> Gaffrig upgrade. That would be quite my dreamboat. > At last ashort introduction to myself: I´m a german sailor, 50
> years, living already 9 years in southern Brasil on the beautifulHi Wolfgang,
> island of santa catarina, latitude 27s.
> Greetings
> Wolfgang
Great to hear from you! Please let us know what the response is to
your query with PCB. I would be willing to share the cost of such an
upgrade comission.
I read the articles that are posted in junkrig. The information that
Dr. Reddish and his wife built a large sail on their front lawn in
two days using a poly tarp and some bamboo sticks and rope and then
were able to tack upwind in less than 100 degrees is pretty eye-
opening! Later I read the letter posted to Craig O'Donnell and shared
by Bill Samson with a later update from Dr. Reddish where he has
incorporated some shape into the panels and is using stiffer battens
which resulted in even better performance! I think this is from 1998
so now I am curious as to what the latest news may be and to get as
much information as I can about the Reddish sail. Then of course
there is also the updated information on this site from several lug
nuts that is very intriguing:-)
Also I am interested in how Jason Stansil will do with his Micro
Naviagator using a balanced lug from a Martha Jane. Of course the big
change between using a lug sail of any type and the standard, or
Chinese gaff rig, is in the mast location. The question being - how
far further aft would the lug mast have to be? A mast location
further aft may have some sailing advantage since the bow will be
more buoyant in head seas and therefor less pounding perhaps.
However it may encrouch on the cabin. In a Long Micro, this may not
be a big problem as the forward cabin area is where the galley is
located. I have an "idea" of how one could have a second mast
location similar to the one proposed for the One Man Liveaboard, in
which a waterproof sealed pipe would be used as a mast location. It
could then be closed off on top if one did not want to use the lug or
junk rig.
The last time I contacted PCB&F they were too busy to look at a LM
Navigator and were considering a plywood version of Colonel Hasler,
which to me would be far too complicated to build.
This summer I am hoping to do some comparisons between a Micro with
the standard rig and one with a Chinese gaff rig. Then there is
another sailor in northern Canada testing out a Reddish rig, and
Jason testing a balanced lug. Perhaps somewhere in between the
beautiful simplicity of a dipping lug and the complexity of the junk
sail is the perfect solution.
Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
Now, that´s an interesting thread going on here. As a long time
reader/lurker here as well in the junkrig group, i´m gonna pipe up
for the first time. There are several articles in the junkrig files
by Vincent Reddish himself explaining the decoded junkrig and giving
advice how to construct them. The articles have been posted
by "jitzuan", who´s nobody less than Leo W. Foltz, german sailor and
junkrigged AS-29 Builder.
Me, myself have sent a fax 2 days ago to the Man himself, meaning of
course PCB, asking for Long Micro plans with a Navigator/Chinese
Gaffrig upgrade. That would be quite my dreamboat. There´s no reply
until now, which might be a good sign - maybe the master is busy
designing the thing. Let´s wait and see. If there´s no upgrade sheet
available, i´d have to work it out myself, hoping for further
communication and help especially those, like Nels who have similar
intentions.
At last a short introduction to myself: I´m a german sailor, 50
years, living already 9 years in southern Brasil on the beautiful
island of santa catarina, latitude 27s.
Greetings
Wolfgang
>options
>
>http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/junk/tutorial.html#Reddish
>
> Reddish link including how to design and make a sail
> DonB
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I have been very interested in investigating the various sail
> > that Mr. Bolger uses and am deeply admiring of his wealth ofI
> > knowledge and understanding in this regard. If sailing rigs were
> > catagorized on a dollar invested Vs: performance realized basis -
> > believe his recommendations would be ahead of anybody elses.particularly
> >
> > As I plan to develop a Long Micro Navigator version I am
> > interested in some of the lug rigs and also his Chinese gaffwith the
> > idea of low effort and leisurely jaunts without too many stringsto
> > keep track of if possible. Also Gary B and Gary L's and otherlug
> > nuts:-)Victor
> >
> > My interest has included the junk sail design developed by Dr.
> > Reddish who researched right back to the earlier offshoreChinese
> > junks, rather than following the developments of Hasler andMcLeod
> > and he seems to have come up with a design that is superior totheirs.
> >Hi, everybody
Now, that´s an interesting thread going on here. As a long time
reader/lurker here as well in the junkrig group, i´m gonna pipe up
for the first time. There are several articles in the junkrig files
by Vincent Reddish himself explaining the decoded junkrig and giving
advice how to construct them. The articles have been posted
by "jitzuan", who´s nobody less than Leo W. Foltz, german sailor and
junkrigged AS-29 Builder.
Me, myself have sent a fax 2 days ago to the Man himself, meaning of
course PCB, asking for Long Micro plans with a Navigator/Chinese
Gaffrig upgrade. That would be quite my dreamboat. There´s no reply
until now, which might be a good sign - maybe the master is busy
designing the thing. Let´s wait and see. If there´s no upgrade sheet
available, i´d have to work it out myself, hoping for further
communication and help especially those, like Nels who have similar
intentions.
At last a short introduction to myself: I´m a german sailor, 50
years, living already 9 years in southern Brasil on the beautiful
island of santa catarina, latitude 27s.
Greetings
Wolfgang
http://www.friend.ly.net/~dadadata/junk/tutorial.html#Reddish
Reddish link including how to design and make a sail
DonB
Reddish link including how to design and make a sail
DonB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have been very interested in investigating the various sail options
> that Mr. Bolger uses and am deeply admiring of his wealth of
> knowledge and understanding in this regard. If sailing rigs were
> catagorized on a dollar invested Vs: performance realized basis - I
> believe his recommendations would be ahead of anybody elses.
>
> As I plan to develop a Long Micro Navigator version I am particularly
> interested in some of the lug rigs and also his Chinese gaff with the
> idea of low effort and leisurely jaunts without too many strings to
> keep track of if possible. Also Gary B and Gary L's and other lug
> nuts:-)
>
> My interest has included the junk sail design developed by Dr. Victor
> Reddish who researched right back to the earlier offshore Chinese
> junks, rather than following the developments of Hasler and McLeod
> and he seems to have come up with a design that is superior to theirs.
>
> I believe Bill Samson on this group, and certainly Craig O'Donnell
> are familar with his work and hopefully others as well.
>
> I would like to know if his designs are a viable option to a Chinese
> gaf and if anybody has heard or him or from him lately?
>
> I posted a portion of a letter from Bill to junkrig group which was
> from Craig's site and it stated that Dr. Reddish sailed for 1000
> miles while only needing to leave the cockpit once to re-tie a knot.
> This seems to me to be a significant accomplishment that I would love
> to duplicate!
>
> I am also very interested in dowsing, which Dr. Reddish is
> researching.
>
> Cheers, Nels
> Does one need a boom vang with Bolgers Chinese gaff rig?One of the attractions of the original Micro rig's sprit-boomed main is its
relaxed downwind behaviour, being 'self vanging'. A simple vang on the
gaffer's boom returns similar nonchalance. Not a 16:1 sail tweaker, just a
stout piece of triangulation.
FWIW, I don't think there's a lot of downward component in the sheetlet
forces. Aft and in, yes; down, not much. YMMV.
cheers
Derek
> Does one need a boom vang with Bolgers Chinese gaff rig?'Need' is relative. The Chinese gaff rig for Micro Navigator has
a boom vang drawn on the design. In a letter from PCB
he wrote about where the vang should be attached (a short
distance up the boom.)
In my one real world use of my Chinese Gaff I found that a
vang was useful, 'needed', because the boom tended to
creep up the mast if not held down. The drawings call
for the vang to be routed through sheaves into the cabin,
but I am tempted to simplify and just tie the vang off
directly to the mast partner or to a cleat on the mast.
And regarding the sheeting staff/mizzen mast:
I think it is great, and I don't understand why a few
thousand years of Chinese sailers have not invented
such a thing for the traditional junk rig. Running all
those junk sheets down to the deck gives too acute an
angle in my opinion.
> Does one need a boom vang with Bolgers Chinese gaff rig?Answer 1: No one knows since there have only been a couple of boats
rigged this way.
Answer 2: It's probably not vital, due to all the downward force of
the sheetlets on the battens.
Just guessin'.
Peter
Hi Nels,
Been readiing along the same line as you have for a couple weeks.
For all of us that have gaff or lug rigs it may be possible to make
a "poor Boy" Chinese rig by just adding one batten, likely at the
top set of reef points on our lug or gaff sail. Most junk rigs have
6 or more sheetlets reduces to 3 or less sheets. My thinking is to
use a sheet staff(maybe a mizzen mast) and just rig yard and batten
sheets (vangs?) to turning blocks there. The aft end of the boom,
batten and yard would provide connecting points for the sheets.
The addition of the two top sheets may greatly improve the ability
to shape the sail and also allow one to use a lighter yard to reduce
weight aloft.
This would give one a taste of the chinese rig without great cost or
changing the sail or sail balance on ones vessel. I think the top 2
sheets could be slacked off and the sail operated much like she was
before when doing short tacks in light winds.
If the experiment works, the next step might be a full conversion to
junk or Chinese gaff rig.
I would appreciate advice on such a conversion as I would like to
learn the junk rig -- already thinking of a cheap poly tarp junk
sail to "learn the ropes".
Hope to be experimenting with a 19 foot cat yawl this summer. Got to
get the gaff rig working first.
I don't think Bolger has drawn the lug sail using a sheet staff, but
I see no reason it wouldn't improve the sheeting angles on a lug rig
as well as it does on a gaff rig.
Does one need a boom vang with Bolgers Chinese gaff rig?
David Davis
Been readiing along the same line as you have for a couple weeks.
For all of us that have gaff or lug rigs it may be possible to make
a "poor Boy" Chinese rig by just adding one batten, likely at the
top set of reef points on our lug or gaff sail. Most junk rigs have
6 or more sheetlets reduces to 3 or less sheets. My thinking is to
use a sheet staff(maybe a mizzen mast) and just rig yard and batten
sheets (vangs?) to turning blocks there. The aft end of the boom,
batten and yard would provide connecting points for the sheets.
The addition of the two top sheets may greatly improve the ability
to shape the sail and also allow one to use a lighter yard to reduce
weight aloft.
This would give one a taste of the chinese rig without great cost or
changing the sail or sail balance on ones vessel. I think the top 2
sheets could be slacked off and the sail operated much like she was
before when doing short tacks in light winds.
If the experiment works, the next step might be a full conversion to
junk or Chinese gaff rig.
I would appreciate advice on such a conversion as I would like to
learn the junk rig -- already thinking of a cheap poly tarp junk
sail to "learn the ropes".
Hope to be experimenting with a 19 foot cat yawl this summer. Got to
get the gaff rig working first.
I don't think Bolger has drawn the lug sail using a sheet staff, but
I see no reason it wouldn't improve the sheeting angles on a lug rig
as well as it does on a gaff rig.
Does one need a boom vang with Bolgers Chinese gaff rig?
David Davis
Hi Folks,
I have been very interested in investigating the various sail options
that Mr. Bolger uses and am deeply admiring of his wealth of
knowledge and understanding in this regard. If sailing rigs were
catagorized on a dollar invested Vs: performance realized basis - I
believe his recommendations would be ahead of anybody elses.
As I plan to develop a Long Micro Navigator version I am particularly
interested in some of the lug rigs and also his Chinese gaff with the
idea of low effort and leisurely jaunts without too many strings to
keep track of if possible. Also Gary B and Gary L's and other lug
nuts:-)
My interest has included the junk sail design developed by Dr. Victor
Reddish who researched right back to the earlier offshore Chinese
junks, rather than following the developments of Hasler and McLeod
and he seems to have come up with a design that is superior to theirs.
I believe Bill Samson on this group, and certainly Craig O'Donnell
are familar with his work and hopefully others as well.
I would like to know if his designs are a viable option to a Chinese
gaf and if anybody has heard or him or from him lately?
I posted a portion of a letter from Bill to junkrig group which was
from Craig's site and it stated that Dr. Reddish sailed for 1000
miles while only needing to leave the cockpit once to re-tie a knot.
This seems to me to be a significant accomplishment that I would love
to duplicate!
I am also very interested in dowsing, which Dr. Reddish is
researching.
Cheers, Nels
I have been very interested in investigating the various sail options
that Mr. Bolger uses and am deeply admiring of his wealth of
knowledge and understanding in this regard. If sailing rigs were
catagorized on a dollar invested Vs: performance realized basis - I
believe his recommendations would be ahead of anybody elses.
As I plan to develop a Long Micro Navigator version I am particularly
interested in some of the lug rigs and also his Chinese gaff with the
idea of low effort and leisurely jaunts without too many strings to
keep track of if possible. Also Gary B and Gary L's and other lug
nuts:-)
My interest has included the junk sail design developed by Dr. Victor
Reddish who researched right back to the earlier offshore Chinese
junks, rather than following the developments of Hasler and McLeod
and he seems to have come up with a design that is superior to theirs.
I believe Bill Samson on this group, and certainly Craig O'Donnell
are familar with his work and hopefully others as well.
I would like to know if his designs are a viable option to a Chinese
gaf and if anybody has heard or him or from him lately?
I posted a portion of a letter from Bill to junkrig group which was
from Craig's site and it stated that Dr. Reddish sailed for 1000
miles while only needing to leave the cockpit once to re-tie a knot.
This seems to me to be a significant accomplishment that I would love
to duplicate!
I am also very interested in dowsing, which Dr. Reddish is
researching.
Cheers, Nels