Re: Bolger custom designs
Agreed. Thanks Bruce. And Gary.
Clyde I'm behind so don't know if you have had a response yet. If so
I beg youse pardons.
IIRC Otter is in "Small Boats".
A while ago DonB, master of the marvelous recently relaunched
BSB 'Oink', posted that he would email scans of Otter. Perhaps if
you make contact with Don he would do what he so kindly did for me.
And he put me on to a terriffic free viewer, Cam2PC (thanks Don).
cheers
graeme
Clyde I'm behind so don't know if you have had a response yet. If so
I beg youse pardons.
IIRC Otter is in "Small Boats".
A while ago DonB, master of the marvelous recently relaunched
BSB 'Oink', posted that he would email scans of Otter. Perhaps if
you make contact with Don he would do what he so kindly did for me.
And he put me on to a terriffic free viewer, Cam2PC (thanks Don).
cheers
graeme
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> Great job, Bruce. Thanks. All the Otter discussion has made me
> curious. I don't even know what book it's in. Could you put up
> something similar? Clyde
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In a message dated 3/21/05 12:22:20 PM Central Standard Time,
bruce@...writes:
on historical grounds, but sailing jargon, like all other cant, has a life of
its own that language police will never effectively repress.
1) Originally, spinnakers were pure downwind sails. They were symmetrical, so
that either vertical edge served as the luff or the leach, depending upon the
heading, while a jib has dedicated luffs and leachs. 2)They were also set
"flying", i.e. not hanked to a stay as jibs generally were. 3) To keep the "luff"
taut, the spinnaker sheet runs to the luff through a spinnaker pole on the
weather side of the mast. By contrast, a jib, when running, was used with a
"whisker pole" on the lee side to spread the foot of the sail.
This made distinction between a spinnaker and a jib was easy in the old days.
As the two converge, it becomes less clear:
1) a "single luff spinnaker" obviously has dedicated luffs and leaches, just
like a jib. This implies an airfoil that requires the foot to be transferred
from one side to another when jibing, just like a jib. 2) Hanking a jib to a
stay has its virtues, but it is unnecessary today, using modern materials. 3)
This leaves the pole - extending out to windward - as the criteria for the
difference. However, as sailors got used to the spinnaker, they began to wish to
have the luff positioned further forward, to use the sail when pointing higher.
Apart from requiring a flatter cut sail, they resorted to use of a pole, the
name of which escapes me ("reaching strut"?), set at right angles to the
spinnaker pole, to permit the spinnaker pole to held well forward of the beam. At
some point, the now forward-pointed spinnaker pole approximates to a bowsprit
and the "spinnaker" sail to a "genoa" jib.
There's a lot of technical convergence here. Perhaps too much to support the
distinction between "spinnakers" and "jibs." Maybe we should all just resign
ourselves to "headwalls"!
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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bruce@...writes:
> At what point does the SLRS become a jib sail?I dunno, but I'm always willing to share my ignorance! I vote for the pole,
>
> Is it the pole, or the tension of the luff that matters?
>
> Is it because the pole isn't a bow sprit?
>
>
on historical grounds, but sailing jargon, like all other cant, has a life of
its own that language police will never effectively repress.
1) Originally, spinnakers were pure downwind sails. They were symmetrical, so
that either vertical edge served as the luff or the leach, depending upon the
heading, while a jib has dedicated luffs and leachs. 2)They were also set
"flying", i.e. not hanked to a stay as jibs generally were. 3) To keep the "luff"
taut, the spinnaker sheet runs to the luff through a spinnaker pole on the
weather side of the mast. By contrast, a jib, when running, was used with a
"whisker pole" on the lee side to spread the foot of the sail.
This made distinction between a spinnaker and a jib was easy in the old days.
As the two converge, it becomes less clear:
1) a "single luff spinnaker" obviously has dedicated luffs and leaches, just
like a jib. This implies an airfoil that requires the foot to be transferred
from one side to another when jibing, just like a jib. 2) Hanking a jib to a
stay has its virtues, but it is unnecessary today, using modern materials. 3)
This leaves the pole - extending out to windward - as the criteria for the
difference. However, as sailors got used to the spinnaker, they began to wish to
have the luff positioned further forward, to use the sail when pointing higher.
Apart from requiring a flatter cut sail, they resorted to use of a pole, the
name of which escapes me ("reaching strut"?), set at right angles to the
spinnaker pole, to permit the spinnaker pole to held well forward of the beam. At
some point, the now forward-pointed spinnaker pole approximates to a bowsprit
and the "spinnaker" sail to a "genoa" jib.
There's a lot of technical convergence here. Perhaps too much to support the
distinction between "spinnakers" and "jibs." Maybe we should all just resign
ourselves to "headwalls"!
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
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> At what point does the SLRS become a jib sail?1) Cut of the sail and luff tension. If it's too full, or too saggy,
you won't be able to sail close to the wind.
2) Sail Area and Balance. If the boat has a full-size rig which is
correctly balanced witout the SLRS, then it will be over-canvased and
have lee helm with the SLRS.
3) The designer gets to call it whatever he wants.
Peter
This sailboat, Cartoon #40 _Casual Day Sailer_
has a single luff reaching spinnaker.
Could someone explain the distinction between a
cat with a Single Luff Reaching Spinnaker and a
sloop with a jib sail?
At what point does the SLRS become a jib sail?
Is it the pole, or the tension of the luff that matters?
Is it because the pole isn't a bow sprit?
Doesn't the Micro II have a SLRS?
has a single luff reaching spinnaker.
Could someone explain the distinction between a
cat with a Single Luff Reaching Spinnaker and a
sloop with a jib sail?
At what point does the SLRS become a jib sail?
Is it the pole, or the tension of the luff that matters?
Is it because the pole isn't a bow sprit?
Doesn't the Micro II have a SLRS?
It doesn't plane, but will move right along. The comfortable masximum
speed was about 5.5 knots, about what you'd expect for a boat with a
16 foot or so waterline. It did exceed 6 knots sustained a couple
times when it breezed up and although the boat was still under
control, it was obviously being pressed.
When it's built according to the plans, the stem is a smooth,
seamless curve right into the bottom; there's no knuckle or hard
point. The stem ran all the way back to the bulkhead at the forward
end of the cockpit, and the plank keelson was notched into it.
In Boats With an Open Mind, Bolger talked about the wonderful
handling of Spartina (which I've actually had a ride in). He got the
same qualities in this boat. Harmony is the word I would use. You
don't have the tension of trying to get a high performance boat up on
a plane, rather you get a sense of handling a responsive boat (that
looks like a boat) ahd feels at home in the waves and wind. Probably
not well expressed, but it's that indefineable rightness that keeps
me raving about this boat, and hoping someone builds another one.
Even though I cut up the hull because I didn't trust my construction
of it. I have the centerboard, rudder, tiller, mast, gaff, boom and
sail 'cause I still plan to rebuild it some day with some
improvements learned from the original. Unless of course, someone
else falls for the boat and talks me out of all this leftover gear!!!
Gary
speed was about 5.5 knots, about what you'd expect for a boat with a
16 foot or so waterline. It did exceed 6 knots sustained a couple
times when it breezed up and although the boat was still under
control, it was obviously being pressed.
When it's built according to the plans, the stem is a smooth,
seamless curve right into the bottom; there's no knuckle or hard
point. The stem ran all the way back to the bulkhead at the forward
end of the cockpit, and the plank keelson was notched into it.
In Boats With an Open Mind, Bolger talked about the wonderful
handling of Spartina (which I've actually had a ride in). He got the
same qualities in this boat. Harmony is the word I would use. You
don't have the tension of trying to get a high performance boat up on
a plane, rather you get a sense of handling a responsive boat (that
looks like a boat) ahd feels at home in the waves and wind. Probably
not well expressed, but it's that indefineable rightness that keeps
me raving about this boat, and hoping someone builds another one.
Even though I cut up the hull because I didn't trust my construction
of it. I have the centerboard, rudder, tiller, mast, gaff, boom and
sail 'cause I still plan to rebuild it some day with some
improvements learned from the original. Unless of course, someone
else falls for the boat and talks me out of all this leftover gear!!!
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
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> "Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:> > > It looks like that boat
would be fun and fast, planing on sail."
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>
>
> This boat would never plane, just look at the stern shape and the
run aft up to the transom.
>
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This boat would never plane, just look at the stern shape and the run aft up to the transom.
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> Did you read the text? PCB says not a fast boat, and it won't plane.Not close enough, <g>. I was thinking the Dan Segal
planing reports with a Gypsy.
> Did you have to change that jagged shape in the bow of the bottomGreggs _Hulls_ program (is great) though it simplifies all curves down
> panel that shows the the diagram from Hulls?
>
> Peter
to interlocking triangles. The forefoot of the Cartoon 40 boat, (like, say,
for instance, the forefoot on a Gypsy or Gloucester Gull), is tortured a bit,
nailed to a curved wooden stem. The panel at the stem appears jagged
in the Hulls panel layout expansion from the triangles, but in real life I just
'eyeballed it' back to be a smooth fair curve while cutting with the scissors.
I think you could do similar working full size in plywood, filling any gaps
or goofs with epoxy, or Portland cement ;-)
> And here are a few photos of a cardboard model of the hull.Did you read the text? PCB says not a fast boat, and it won't plane.
> It looks like that boat would be fun and fast, planing on sail.
>http://community.webshots.com/album/298174160oRSuXz
From some angles the model looks like a Seaford skiff or Melonseed.
Not a bad recommendation. Fun? Most certainly.
Compared to the usual Cape Cod Cat, I think it would probably be a
pretty fast in light air. See the remarks on catboats in Chapelle. The
racing cats got flatter and flatter on the bottom for power to carry
sail. Culler and Chapelle both said good things about a fairly deep V.
In heavy air, it might not have the legs, but would be easier to sail
which might be enough to keep it competitive. A lot would depend on
how heavy you built a big version.
Did you have to change that jagged shape in the bow of the bottom
panel that shows the the diagram from Hulls?
Peter
> > > When you look at this, Cartoon #40 seems atAnd here are a few photos of a cardboard model of the hull.
It looks like that boat would be fun and fast, planing on sail.
http://community.webshots.com/album/298174160oRSuXz
Bruce: Thanks for the scans! and even better, you did the drawings,
which show exactly how the boat looks. You even found column that
mentioned my 30-footer --- but don't try writing me at that address
as that's about three moves ago :-)
Peter: The plans I had were a bit more finished than what he
published, but were on two sheets. They had some details, like the
mast scantlings (3.5 inch round, as I recall, tapered to 1.5 or 2
inches at the top -- I eventually replaced it with an aluminum tube).
The stem was about 3 x 3, but swelled until it was 6 x 6 at the mast
step. This boat did require that a jig and forms be constructed, only
the second boat I've done that isn't instant boat fashion. But
someone who's reasonably familiar with boats could do it from the
offsets in the article. I doubt Bolger would charge much for the
blueprints.
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
which show exactly how the boat looks. You even found column that
mentioned my 30-footer --- but don't try writing me at that address
as that's about three moves ago :-)
Peter: The plans I had were a bit more finished than what he
published, but were on two sheets. They had some details, like the
mast scantlings (3.5 inch round, as I recall, tapered to 1.5 or 2
inches at the top -- I eventually replaced it with an aluminum tube).
The stem was about 3 x 3, but swelled until it was 6 x 6 at the mast
step. This boat did require that a jig and forms be constructed, only
the second boat I've done that isn't instant boat fashion. But
someone who's reasonably familiar with boats could do it from the
offsets in the article. I doubt Bolger would charge much for the
blueprints.
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
>to
> > When you look at this, Cartoon #40 seems at
> > least as finished as some other Bolger numbered
> > designs. Yet, it is called a Cartoon. Any ideas why?
>
> I think it's called a cartoon here because it's part of the SBJ
> cartoon series, many of which became finished designs. If he every
> made a "completed" plan, I've not seen it, and I don't know why.
> Possibly, no interest, except maybe Gary, who is experienced enough
> build from the table of offsets.
>
> Peter
> When you look at this, Cartoon #40 seems atI think it's called a cartoon here because it's part of the SBJ
> least as finished as some other Bolger numbered
> designs. Yet, it is called a Cartoon. Any ideas why?
cartoon series, many of which became finished designs. If he every
made a "completed" plan, I've not seen it, and I don't know why.
Possibly, no interest, except maybe Gary, who is experienced enough to
build from the table of offsets.
Peter
Great job, Bruce. Thanks. All the Otter discussion has made me
curious. I don't even know what book it's in. Could you put up
something similar? Clyde
Bruce Hallman wrote:
curious. I don't even know what book it's in. Could you put up
something similar? Clyde
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>http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/Also:
In typical Bolger fashion, the bilge panels fall efficiently
on two sheets of plywood.
http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/panels.gif
And, here is are some isometrics of the hull
http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/iso.gif
see scans here:
http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/
That boat looks great. I don't understand the
distinction Bolger makes between 'unfinished'
designs that he calls Cartoons, #40 in this
instance and 'finished' designs which he numbers.
When you look at this, Cartoon #40 seems at
least as finished as some other Bolger numbered
designs. Yet, it is called a Cartoon. Any ideas why?
http://hallman.org/SBJ/64/
That boat looks great. I don't understand the
distinction Bolger makes between 'unfinished'
designs that he calls Cartoons, #40 in this
instance and 'finished' designs which he numbers.
When you look at this, Cartoon #40 seems at
least as finished as some other Bolger numbered
designs. Yet, it is called a Cartoon. Any ideas why?
> > I did find some scale drawings,An interesting point is that the table of offsets was published with
> > side and top view, I did to get an idea of how the longer version
> > would look.
the first article.
Peter
Peter, I'm with Gary here. I'd like a looksee at that design and the
subsequent write up about the stretch to 19ft.
Dennis
subsequent write up about the stretch to 19ft.
Dennis
> >If
> > Small Boat Journal #64, Dec/Jan 1989
> > Casual Sailing Dinghy, Cartoon #40
> > Design number not shown.
> >
> > My scanner is not working tonight; sorry.
> >
> > Peter
>
> Peter: That's great! I'd like to see the article & cartoons again.
> you look a couple issues later in the question & answer section ofnnd
> Bolger's column, you'll see his short discussion of the longer
> version (but no drawing). I looked last night and couldn't find the
> plans; doubt I have them any more. I did find some scale drawings,
> side and top view, I did to get an idea of how the longer version
> would look. I'm about to go on vacation and may not get to scana
> post them before I go, but will get to it if anyone is interested i
> these somewhat crude drawings. Sorry, didn't do any end views...
>
> Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
you look a couple issues later in the question & answer section of
Bolger's column, you'll see his short discussion of the longer
version (but no drawing). I looked last night and couldn't find the
plans; doubt I have them any more. I did find some scale drawings,
side and top view, I did to get an idea of how the longer version
would look. I'm about to go on vacation and may not get to scana nnd
post them before I go, but will get to it if anyone is interested i
these somewhat crude drawings. Sorry, didn't do any end views...
Gary
wrote:
>hope
> > > Well, Gary, thanks for bragging about that catboat design! I
> > > that someone out there who has some old copies of SBJ runsacross
> > > that design in their researches and posts the good news of thePeter: That's great! I'd like to see the article & cartoons again. If
> find.
>
> Small Boat Journal #64, Dec/Jan 1989
> Casual Sailing Dinghy, Cartoon #40
> Design number not shown.
>
> My scanner is not working tonight; sorry.
>
> Peter
you look a couple issues later in the question & answer section of
Bolger's column, you'll see his short discussion of the longer
version (but no drawing). I looked last night and couldn't find the
plans; doubt I have them any more. I did find some scale drawings,
side and top view, I did to get an idea of how the longer version
would look. I'm about to go on vacation and may not get to scana nnd
post them before I go, but will get to it if anyone is interested i
these somewhat crude drawings. Sorry, didn't do any end views...
Gary
> > Well, Gary, thanks for bragging about that catboat design! I hopefind.
> > that someone out there who has some old copies of SBJ runs across
> > that design in their researches and posts the good news of the
Small Boat Journal #64, Dec/Jan 1989
Casual Sailing Dinghy, Cartoon #40
Design number not shown.
My scanner is not working tonight; sorry.
Peter
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at a dock with the (rather large) mast up. it was designed at 15.5
feet x six foot beam --- bigger than the Payson cat. A couple issues
later, someone asked Bolger about a larger version, and he said the
stations could simply be moved 25 percent further apart on the same
beam to come up with the longer version, which is what I built. The
cartoon may has shown it with a single luff spinnaker, which was
possible, but which I never made or used. I think I started building
it around 1992, so it may have been in a 1990 or 1991 issue.
A couple of changes I sure Bolger would make. The mast at 18'9" was
exhausting to step; eventually a tabernacle was used and it worked
very well. Secondly, he specified sand bags for ballast (around 140
pounds I think, but that may be wrong). Today I'm sure he'd use water
ballast tanks under the cockpit floorboards, which is what I will do
if I ever rebuild it.
I'm glad the itch for this boat is planted in someone else! :-)
Gary
> > Well, Gary, thanks for bragging about that catboat design! I hopefind.
> > that someone out there who has some old copies of SBJ runs across
> > that design in their researches and posts the good news of the
>of
> I have a complete set of the 77 issues of SBJ, and my quick check
> 74 of them I doesn't recognize the Cat Boat that Gary mentions.No, this was a gaff cat, originally intended to be left in the water
>
> [I don't have the issues #3, #9 and #12 immediately available,
> but those early issues predate the 'Bolger Cartoon' feature,
> and I recall all three of those Bolger articles were reprinted in
> BWAOM.]
>
> Could you be remembering the "Cartoon #16 - Tiny Plywood Cat
> Boat" in SBJ Vol#40, which later evolved in to the plywood catboat
> plans that Dynamite Payson sells?
at a dock with the (rather large) mast up. it was designed at 15.5
feet x six foot beam --- bigger than the Payson cat. A couple issues
later, someone asked Bolger about a larger version, and he said the
stations could simply be moved 25 percent further apart on the same
beam to come up with the longer version, which is what I built. The
cartoon may has shown it with a single luff spinnaker, which was
possible, but which I never made or used. I think I started building
it around 1992, so it may have been in a 1990 or 1991 issue.
A couple of changes I sure Bolger would make. The mast at 18'9" was
exhausting to step; eventually a tabernacle was used and it worked
very well. Secondly, he specified sand bags for ballast (around 140
pounds I think, but that may be wrong). Today I'm sure he'd use water
ballast tanks under the cockpit floorboards, which is what I will do
if I ever rebuild it.
I'm glad the itch for this boat is planted in someone else! :-)
Gary
> Could you be remembering the "Cartoon #16 - Tiny Plywood CatI remember this design. Not the Tiny Cat. PCB included his usual
> Boat" in SBJ Vol#40, which later evolved in to the plywood catboat
> plans that Dynamite Payson sells?
remarks on designing thoroughbred handling into a small boat,
including good rocker, short waterline, depth on the centerline, etc.
The actual plans were sketchy, and the SBJ editors cautioned, perhaps
in a later issue, that they were only suitable for experienced
builders. I've always thought a 24' version would be great for catboat
regatta.
Peter
> Well, Gary, thanks for bragging about that catboat design! I hopeI have a complete set of the 77 issues of SBJ, and my quick check of
> that someone out there who has some old copies of SBJ runs across
> that design in their researches and posts the good news of the find.
74 of them I doesn't recognize the Cat Boat that Gary mentions.
[I don't have the issues #3, #9 and #12 immediately available,
but those early issues predate the 'Bolger Cartoon' feature,
and I recall all three of those Bolger articles were reprinted in
BWAOM.]
Could you be remembering the "Cartoon #16 - Tiny Plywood Cat
Boat" in SBJ Vol#40, which later evolved in to the plywood catboat
plans that Dynamite Payson sells?
Well, Gary, thanks for bragging about that catboat design! I hope
that someone out there who has some old copies of SBJ runs across
that design in their researches and posts the good news of the find.
Dennis
that someone out there who has some old copies of SBJ runs across
that design in their researches and posts the good news of the find.
Dennis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote: "I'm
sure the plans for almost all,... designs are available from PB&F."
I agree Philip,
The problem is it's difficult to order something that you do not know
exists. A full list, with cartoons, and descriptions of all his
designs would be a great resource. I hope PB&F get around to
publishing one soon. Book format would be great, but a full website
would be better. A summer student hire of someone enrolled in a
computer program at college level or higher could probably get it up
for them in one summer .... Sigh!
Bruce Hector
sure the plans for almost all,... designs are available from PB&F."
I agree Philip,
The problem is it's difficult to order something that you do not know
exists. A full list, with cartoons, and descriptions of all his
designs would be a great resource. I hope PB&F get around to
publishing one soon. Book format would be great, but a full website
would be better. A summer student hire of someone enrolled in a
computer program at college level or higher could probably get it up
for them in one summer .... Sigh!
Bruce Hector
> I saw Gary Blankenship's boat, the doubled-Gypsy, in the most recentNow Garth, when you get Cormorant finished, (the progress of which
> MAIB classifieds, and it made me think -- I might've built that
> instead of Cormorant if I knew about it. (And Gary, I'd love to hear
> more about it, as I bet many others on this list would.)
I'm avidly following on Duckworks) I'll be glad to talk about a
trade! :-)
Actually, it's not 100 percent sure that we're selling, but we do
want to know if there's interest as we need to pare down the fleet.
(We also have a Frolic2, a predecessor of Cormorant, and a Piccup,
plus a plastic kayak. My wife's favorite is the Frolic2...)
Accepting your invitation to talk more about the Le Dulci-Mer (and
what boat owner wouldn't), I'll start by noting I've seen some of
Bolger's other designs during visits, and there are truly many unique
custom designed boats. But I don't think he would have comeup with
one like mine for you, Bruce. My specifications, more than 20 years
ago, were for an easily and inexpensive boat that would be capable of
competing in the smallest class of the OSTAR, which was then a
maximum length of 30 feet. I was expecting something like a beefed up
Burgundy or an AS 29, but instead he came up with this hull, with a
deep fin keel. We consciously limited comfort in exchange for low
cost and more speed. Nor was this intended to be fast around the
bouys, it was intended for open ocean sailing. I didn't request it,
but Bolger also included in full foam floatation, which limits
storage. Although it's comforts were minimal I always enjoyed sailing
the boat. In ad hoc racing (after Le Dulci-Mer was rerigged from a
dipping to a balanced lugger)against local racer-cruiser types, it
did okay. It was slightly slower and not quite as close winded going
to weather (which you would expected witha four-sided sail) and a bit
faster reaching and running, especially in stronger winds. It's
weaknesses were (and are) speed in light airs because you can't add
to the one sail (it will move in a zephyr, just not as fast as boats
that can hang out a big genor) and going to weather in a certain size
of chop, which I atrributed to the flat bottom and fairly light
displacement of 5,500 pounds. If the stern is coming off one three
foot or larger wave while the bow is hitting the next one, progress
will nearly stop and it's time to crack off to a close reach.
A bit over five years ago I was in Boston on business and managed to
squeeze in a quick visit to Phil and Suzanne. Heading toward the
door, I somewhat wistfully commented that I had a boat designed for
single handed ocean and was using it as a day sailer and occasional
overnighter, and its deep draft and and small cabin with large
windows were terribly impractical in the shallow, sunny Gulf of
Mexico. In an incredible 10 minutes, they had the plans out and
brainstormed that they thought some changes could make it a more Gulf
friendly boat. The result was the first generation swing wing, a
higher cabin with large hatches, a swinging mast, and the revised
cockpit, all detailed in the Duckworks article. The changes have
enabled me to move the boat to a different locale, closer to home.
I've done some racing, but it's not against casual racer cruisers,
but dedicated racing boats like J-24s, and a local copy of that
called a Harmony 22, or boats that are longer, and not suprisingly I
don't keep up, especially on the wind. But since getting the wing
keel problems ironed out, I'm not getting lapped any more!
I still think the wing is slower than the fin, but maybe not as much
as earlier surmised. LAst Sunday I was out in perfect conditions,
good breezes that were not quite strong enough to require a reef. I
had sailed out a couple miles, hard on the wind, when I noticed 3-4
boats coming up from behind. They eventually caught up, but the two
that passed were larger boats, about 32-33 feet (one was a freedom
32).
I turned back a couple minutes after they did, and about the time a
Lancer 29 just caught up and also turned back. My impression (from a
ways behind) was the larger boats were just a bit faster on the reach
back while the Lancer 29 and my boat were perfectly matched. We sail
more than 5 miles side by side without a 50-foot change in position
(and if there was a change, it was in my favor :-)). That ain't bad.
BTW, my all time favorite Bolger design is a v-bottom catboat
daysailer he did in one of the old Small Boat Journal cartoons. It
could be built either 15.5 feet or 19.5 feet, with the same beam. I
did the longer one, the only boat built to the design that I know of.
It was a masterpiece (the design, not the execution of the
cosntruction). It didn't have blazing speed, but it felt fast,
handled wonderfully, being steady on course but turning on a dime. It
could tack faster and maintain its momentum better than the 30-
footer. A true classic that I recommend to anyone. Unfortunately, I
don't have the design at hand and can't even give you a number.
And Bruce: what issue of MAIB did you see the ad in? I just got my
3/1 and didn't see it....
Gary
Thanks Bruce --
Don't know how I missed it:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/s/articles/wingkeel/index.cfm
All best,
Garth
Don't know how I missed it:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/s/articles/wingkeel/index.cfm
All best,
Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > I saw Gary Blankenship's boat, the doubled-Gypsy, in the most recent
> > MAIB classifieds, and it made me think -- I might've built that
> > instead of Cormorant if I knew about it.
>
> Look up his articles in Duckworks to learn more.
>
Garth, I'm sure the plans for almost all, if not every
one, of Phil Bolger and Friends' designs are available
from PB&F. A fax to (978) 282-1349 will let you know
for sure and how much the plans are.
Only a few days after your check arrives in
Gloucester one of those charming blue tubes will be
delivered to you by a uniformed representative of the
US Government.
Phil Smith
--- GarthAB <garth@...> wrote:
one, of Phil Bolger and Friends' designs are available
from PB&F. A fax to (978) 282-1349 will let you know
for sure and how much the plans are.
Only a few days after your check arrives in
Gloucester one of those charming blue tubes will be
delivered to you by a uniformed representative of the
US Government.
Phil Smith
--- GarthAB <garth@...> wrote:
>
>
> I saw Gary Blankenship's boat, the doubled-Gypsy, in
> the most recent
> MAIB classifieds, and it made me think -- I might've
> built that
> instead of Cormorant if I knew about it. (And Gary,
> I'd love to hear
> more about it, as I bet many others on this list
> would.) And the
> recent mention of Dido, also a Bolger custom design,
> made me wonder --
> are these custom jobs strictly one-offs? Are plans
> available for sale
> to the rest of us? Do they get numbered in PCB's
> long-running
> sequence? How many custom jobs are lurking out
> there, unknown to us?
>
> All best,
>
> Garth
> (in the dark, as usual)
>
> I saw Gary Blankenship's boat, the doubled-Gypsy, in the most recentLook up his articles in Duckworks to learn more.
> MAIB classifieds, and it made me think -- I might've built that
> instead of Cormorant if I knew about it.
> are these custom jobs strictly one-offs? Are plans available for saleI am sure they are for sale, when and if Bolger feels like it.
> to the rest of us? Do they get numbered in PCB's long-running
> sequence? How many custom jobs are lurking out there, unknown to us?
Our database only has about half of the numbered designs, so
many must be missing. Gary's was a numbered design.
I saw Gary Blankenship's boat, the doubled-Gypsy, in the most recent
MAIB classifieds, and it made me think -- I might've built that
instead of Cormorant if I knew about it. (And Gary, I'd love to hear
more about it, as I bet many others on this list would.) And the
recent mention of Dido, also a Bolger custom design, made me wonder --
are these custom jobs strictly one-offs? Are plans available for sale
to the rest of us? Do they get numbered in PCB's long-running
sequence? How many custom jobs are lurking out there, unknown to us?
All best,
Garth
(in the dark, as usual)
MAIB classifieds, and it made me think -- I might've built that
instead of Cormorant if I knew about it. (And Gary, I'd love to hear
more about it, as I bet many others on this list would.) And the
recent mention of Dido, also a Bolger custom design, made me wonder --
are these custom jobs strictly one-offs? Are plans available for sale
to the rest of us? Do they get numbered in PCB's long-running
sequence? How many custom jobs are lurking out there, unknown to us?
All best,
Garth
(in the dark, as usual)