Re: [bolger] worse day of boatbuilding, top this one!
Have you thought about cutting part way into the 2x10 to take some of
the strength out of it? Then tack a piece of plywood to it after you
have it lined up again. Might save some time.
Just a thought...
Mark in MN.
the strength out of it? Then tack a piece of plywood to it after you
have it lined up again. Might save some time.
Just a thought...
Mark in MN.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, John Tuma <jtuma@s...> wrote:
> David and all,
>
> I don't know what would qualify as my worst day, as there have been
> many. But my current worst day would be yesterday, when I discovered
> that my beautifully trued and leveled strongback had warped. In the
past
> I always used 2x6 lumber for the strongback rails. These tend to be
> flexible in the vertical dimension even when on edge, and I would
just
> wedge them wherever necessary to level them. This time however, I
used
> 2x10s, hoping to avoid the flex problems. It worked for a while,
but as
> the rails dried, one of them warped and I now have a 1/4 inch arch
in
> the starboard side. All the frames have been erected and trued. And
even
> with me standing on the starboard rail of the strongback, only
about 1/8
> inch of the warp disappears (I weight 180#!). That 2x10 lumber
really
> resists the flex I so feared. So I now I will probably have to
remove
> all of the molds, re-level the rail, re-install and re-true all of
the
> molds, and hope that the rail is done warping. With 11 molds, it's
> probably a day, maybe a day and half of work. Ouch!
>
> John Tuma
David and all,
I don't know what would qualify as my worst day, as there have been
many. But my current worst day would be yesterday, when I discovered
that my beautifully trued and leveled strongback had warped. In the past
I always used 2x6 lumber for the strongback rails. These tend to be
flexible in the vertical dimension even when on edge, and I would just
wedge them wherever necessary to level them. This time however, I used
2x10s, hoping to avoid the flex problems. It worked for a while, but as
the rails dried, one of them warped and I now have a 1/4 inch arch in
the starboard side. All the frames have been erected and trued. And even
with me standing on the starboard rail of the strongback, only about 1/8
inch of the warp disappears (I weight 180#!). That 2x10 lumber really
resists the flex I so feared. So I now I will probably have to remove
all of the molds, re-level the rail, re-install and re-true all of the
molds, and hope that the rail is done warping. With 11 molds, it's
probably a day, maybe a day and half of work. Ouch!
John Tuma
I don't know what would qualify as my worst day, as there have been
many. But my current worst day would be yesterday, when I discovered
that my beautifully trued and leveled strongback had warped. In the past
I always used 2x6 lumber for the strongback rails. These tend to be
flexible in the vertical dimension even when on edge, and I would just
wedge them wherever necessary to level them. This time however, I used
2x10s, hoping to avoid the flex problems. It worked for a while, but as
the rails dried, one of them warped and I now have a 1/4 inch arch in
the starboard side. All the frames have been erected and trued. And even
with me standing on the starboard rail of the strongback, only about 1/8
inch of the warp disappears (I weight 180#!). That 2x10 lumber really
resists the flex I so feared. So I now I will probably have to remove
all of the molds, re-level the rail, re-install and re-true all of the
molds, and hope that the rail is done warping. With 11 molds, it's
probably a day, maybe a day and half of work. Ouch!
John Tuma
Hi All,
(on topic part);
Today I finished the port and starboard windshield on the Navigator/
Birdwaicher type pilot house on the Snow Goose. Since the auto glass way
1/4" thick, I made a plywood sandwich with a mask on the inside and
outside and a center filler with the glass fit into it, and glued the
whole thing together and mounted in place. With the home style pilot
house and the previous trim I had installed, it is starting to look like
sort of a sissy work boat. I hope by the time the stern wheel is built
and installed, it will have the river boat look that I have been going
for. ;-)
(off topic part)
I cannot thank, all of you that responded to my questions about my
web page, enough for your suggestions and offers of help. This list,
above any I have ever been involved in, proves the old adage that;
"friends are those that double your pleasure and halve your grief". It
certainly doubles my boat pleasure to be able to share what I can
accomplish with you all, and when things don't work out the way we hoped
for, it greatly lessons our grief to have you all to fall back on, for
assistance. If anyone ever asks any of you. What is so great about the
internet, Just respond, "the Bolger Egroup"
To all who responded, both on the list and off, my heart felt thanks.
All the best, Stan, Micro Tugger, Snow Goose.
(on topic part);
Today I finished the port and starboard windshield on the Navigator/
Birdwaicher type pilot house on the Snow Goose. Since the auto glass way
1/4" thick, I made a plywood sandwich with a mask on the inside and
outside and a center filler with the glass fit into it, and glued the
whole thing together and mounted in place. With the home style pilot
house and the previous trim I had installed, it is starting to look like
sort of a sissy work boat. I hope by the time the stern wheel is built
and installed, it will have the river boat look that I have been going
for. ;-)
(off topic part)
I cannot thank, all of you that responded to my questions about my
web page, enough for your suggestions and offers of help. This list,
above any I have ever been involved in, proves the old adage that;
"friends are those that double your pleasure and halve your grief". It
certainly doubles my boat pleasure to be able to share what I can
accomplish with you all, and when things don't work out the way we hoped
for, it greatly lessons our grief to have you all to fall back on, for
assistance. If anyone ever asks any of you. What is so great about the
internet, Just respond, "the Bolger Egroup"
To all who responded, both on the list and off, my heart felt thanks.
All the best, Stan, Micro Tugger, Snow Goose.
Stan Muller wrote:
David, Welcome to the club!Stan
For the past few weeks I have been designing, building, and
installing the Birdwatcher type navigator pilot house on the snow goose
and I can't believe the problems. I'm sure that things would have been
easier if I had finished the designing BEFORE I had started the
building, But patience is not one of my strong points.
Nothing big, just a lot of little things. It reminds me of a saying
we used to have when I worked as a machinist, "I built the same thing
once". Building the same thing twice is the problem and those are the
problems I've been having. I made one side, and as I went, I cut two of
everything, so I would have the other side ready to go. Even though
every thing should be the same, I still had to fake a 1/4" here and 3/8"
there to get it all to line up.
For anyone that is planing to build, the first thing to learn is to
mix filler, to hide, and/or fix and fit all those little mistakes. As
you said, "fill with goop".
On top of everything else, My web site is down because my server has
changed there software and it no longer supports the java script that my
"easy wed page" was written with. Now I'll have to write it, the hard
way, with html, or whatever. Anyone have any ideas? I'm not computer
illiterate, but I sure never passed the, "see spot run" stage of
learning. Anyone out there want to undertake the tutoring of of a dummy,
or have any suggestions of the best way for me to get a web page
together?
David, it does sound like your having fun, and in spite of the
setbacks your making progress, so keep the sense of humor and keep up
the good work!
Stan, Micro tugger, Snow Goose.------------------------------------------------------------------------
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David,
The micro navigatorhasn't bitten me yet, but I was once butting sides for 3
- 6 hour canoes the neightborhood kids and I were putting together. I
forgot to make mirror image sides, ie butt blocks on the inside of the ply
sheets and ended up with 5 port hull sides. Yeah I got one right. Karma!
The good news is that it was cheap AB ply. Of course I had to look at my
mistakes untill I found some more kids wanting boats.
Rennie
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The micro navigatorhasn't bitten me yet, but I was once butting sides for 3
- 6 hour canoes the neightborhood kids and I were putting together. I
forgot to make mirror image sides, ie butt blocks on the inside of the ply
sheets and ended up with 5 port hull sides. Yeah I got one right. Karma!
The good news is that it was cheap AB ply. Of course I had to look at my
mistakes untill I found some more kids wanting boats.
Rennie
>From: "David Jost" <djost@...>______________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] worse day of boatbuilding, top this one!
>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:25:23 -0000
>
> I finally got around to building Micro's (a.k.a Firefly) sides
>with the marine ply I ordered. I layed out a grid for the stations,
>and transferred the marks for the shear and bottom curves. I then
>proceeded to apply the double butt straps to the side. (I left out
>the part about the wrong stations/misplaced measurings/cut out the
>shear curve a little funny will fill with goop!) I had some 3/4 inch
>clench nails from a previous project, these are nice nails from
>Strawberry Banke in Portsmouth NH, and applied butt strap #1 to one
>half of the side. Then drilled out more holes for the 1 1/4" nails
>for the butt strap doubler. I broke 3 drills. Then I slathered up
>the
>seam with glue and then clenched the nails over. I had inadvertently
>missed half of the doubler with epoxy. It then dawned on me that I
>should have doubled the butt strap first, then attached it to the
>side! Oops. Many expletives later, I reattached the butt strap to
>the side and got the whole thing glued up and clenched to both
>halves
>of the side. I went off to work and then returned a few hours later
>to check my unhandy work. I stood back and then realized that I had
>oriented the butt strap so that the natural bend of the wood matched
>the natural bend of the ply. The whole thing had about a 1" curve to
>it! Oh no! It does appear that I will be able to screw it to Frame B
>and then glass/epoxy it in place to insure it will remain where I
>intend it to be.
> I did the second side today, my 5 year old was the one who
>pointed out that it was going backwards, as I intend to have the A
>side of the AB ply on the outer face! We erased our marks and
>started
>over again. This time I will double the butt straps then attach
>them,
> making sure that I do not induce any curvature into the ply
>inadvertently.
> Ok, There is my confession. Let's hear some more horror
>stories. Misery loves company.
>
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Stan - I just use Netscape Composer. No Java stuff though...
Best, Pippo
Best, Pippo
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> Anyone have any ideas? I'm not computer
> illiterate, but I sure never passed the, "see spot run" stage of
> learning. Anyone out there want to undertake the tutoring of of a
dummy,
> or have any suggestions of the best way for me to get a web page
> together?
David, Welcome to the club!
For the past few weeks I have been designing, building, and
installing the Birdwatcher type navigator pilot house on the snow goose
and I can't believe the problems. I'm sure that things would have been
easier if I had finished the designing BEFORE I had started the
building, But patience is not one of my strong points.
Nothing big, just a lot of little things. It reminds me of a saying
we used to have when I worked as a machinist, "I built the same thing
once". Building the same thing twice is the problem and those are the
problems I've been having. I made one side, and as I went, I cut two of
everything, so I would have the other side ready to go. Even though
every thing should be the same, I still had to fake a 1/4" here and 3/8"
there to get it all to line up.
For anyone that is planing to build, the first thing to learn is to
mix filler, to hide, and/or fix and fit all those little mistakes. As
you said, "fill with goop".
On top of everything else, My web site is down because my server has
changed there software and it no longer supports the java script that my
"easy wed page" was written with. Now I'll have to write it, the hard
way, with html, or whatever. Anyone have any ideas? I'm not computer
illiterate, but I sure never passed the, "see spot run" stage of
learning. Anyone out there want to undertake the tutoring of of a dummy,
or have any suggestions of the best way for me to get a web page
together?
David, it does sound like your having fun, and in spite of the
setbacks your making progress, so keep the sense of humor and keep up
the good work!
Stan, Micro tugger, Snow Goose.
For the past few weeks I have been designing, building, and
installing the Birdwatcher type navigator pilot house on the snow goose
and I can't believe the problems. I'm sure that things would have been
easier if I had finished the designing BEFORE I had started the
building, But patience is not one of my strong points.
Nothing big, just a lot of little things. It reminds me of a saying
we used to have when I worked as a machinist, "I built the same thing
once". Building the same thing twice is the problem and those are the
problems I've been having. I made one side, and as I went, I cut two of
everything, so I would have the other side ready to go. Even though
every thing should be the same, I still had to fake a 1/4" here and 3/8"
there to get it all to line up.
For anyone that is planing to build, the first thing to learn is to
mix filler, to hide, and/or fix and fit all those little mistakes. As
you said, "fill with goop".
On top of everything else, My web site is down because my server has
changed there software and it no longer supports the java script that my
"easy wed page" was written with. Now I'll have to write it, the hard
way, with html, or whatever. Anyone have any ideas? I'm not computer
illiterate, but I sure never passed the, "see spot run" stage of
learning. Anyone out there want to undertake the tutoring of of a dummy,
or have any suggestions of the best way for me to get a web page
together?
David, it does sound like your having fun, and in spite of the
setbacks your making progress, so keep the sense of humor and keep up
the good work!
Stan, Micro tugger, Snow Goose.