Re: [bolger] KiteSails (was "a little moxie for TIMS")
> balanced lug rigOops, it has a dipping lug rig, sorry.
> I remember seeing a BolgerThat would be Weston Martyr, design 487. It has a
> cartoon for a boat designed (I believe) for an
> Australian who wished
> to have ocean-crossing capability with European canal
> compatability.
balanced lug rig with small mizzen and bow steering
sails. A pretty interesting boat, except the steel hull
scares me as too expensive, too cold, and too noisy.
I suspect that Bolger chose that rig for its low stress
simplicity and for the tendency to spend days at a time
on one tack while crossing oceans. I predict that he
would think that a kite sail would require the crew to
expose themselves to too much risk while handling it.
Though, I don't really understand kite sails other than
seeing them in action and they seem to need acrobatics.
Hi All
Can anyone remember any more details of this since
I've just written to PB and Bob about a similar
project
Cheers
Andy
I think that some sort of kite sail configuration
might be well
exploited for some sort of world-cruiser. I remember
seeing a Bolger
cartoon for a boat designed (I believe) for an
Australian who wished
to have ocean-crossing capability with European canal
compatability.
I don't recall the details of his solution, but this
seems an
application where kite-power, suitably refined, might
be an advance
in the state of the art.
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Can anyone remember any more details of this since
I've just written to PB and Bob about a similar
project
Cheers
Andy
I think that some sort of kite sail configuration
might be well
exploited for some sort of world-cruiser. I remember
seeing a Bolger
cartoon for a boat designed (I believe) for an
Australian who wished
to have ocean-crossing capability with European canal
compatability.
I don't recall the details of his solution, but this
seems an
application where kite-power, suitably refined, might
be an advance
in the state of the art.
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Thanks to Jim Pope for calling my attention to Dave Culp's newest
endeavor. I think this notion of kite sails has real posibilities.
(However, I do have in my possession an Amateur Scientist column from
March, 1975 that explores the concept. That I've somehow not lost in
the intervening years is probably an indication that I'm not entirely
sane on this matter.)
I think that some sort of kite sail configuration might be well
exploited for some sort of world-cruiser. I remember seeing a Bolger
cartoon for a boat designed (I believe) for an Australian who wished
to have ocean-crossing capability with European canal compatability.
I don't recall the details of his solution, but this seems an
application where kite-power, suitably refined, might be an advance
in the state of the art.
If one were ever to go world-cruising, an sensible person would chose
to follow the same routes as the square riggers that pioneered them -
i.e. more or less down wind. With the lateral thrust taken from deck
level, there would be much less heeling force than from a sail on a
mast and the hull could be correspondingly narrower, lighter and more
easily driven. Flying the kite at altitude would expose it to
stronger and more constant winds than sails set on a mast at sea
level. I don't think one would use such a rig near shore, or in a
crowd, but landfall would be the time to retrieve the kite and fire
up the "iron breeze".
It seems that the Dutch are the pioneers in this field. The '75 SciAm
article was inspired by a Professor J.G. Hagedoorn of Lieden
University. A few years ago Dave Culp recommended to me "Stunt Kites
II" by Servaas van der Horst and Nop Velhuizen as a source. Evidently
these Dutchmen are racing, including upwind, in little buggies drawn
by un-sparred kites. Pretty amazing.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN
endeavor. I think this notion of kite sails has real posibilities.
(However, I do have in my possession an Amateur Scientist column from
March, 1975 that explores the concept. That I've somehow not lost in
the intervening years is probably an indication that I'm not entirely
sane on this matter.)
I think that some sort of kite sail configuration might be well
exploited for some sort of world-cruiser. I remember seeing a Bolger
cartoon for a boat designed (I believe) for an Australian who wished
to have ocean-crossing capability with European canal compatability.
I don't recall the details of his solution, but this seems an
application where kite-power, suitably refined, might be an advance
in the state of the art.
If one were ever to go world-cruising, an sensible person would chose
to follow the same routes as the square riggers that pioneered them -
i.e. more or less down wind. With the lateral thrust taken from deck
level, there would be much less heeling force than from a sail on a
mast and the hull could be correspondingly narrower, lighter and more
easily driven. Flying the kite at altitude would expose it to
stronger and more constant winds than sails set on a mast at sea
level. I don't think one would use such a rig near shore, or in a
crowd, but landfall would be the time to retrieve the kite and fire
up the "iron breeze".
It seems that the Dutch are the pioneers in this field. The '75 SciAm
article was inspired by a Professor J.G. Hagedoorn of Lieden
University. A few years ago Dave Culp recommended to me "Stunt Kites
II" by Servaas van der Horst and Nop Velhuizen as a source. Evidently
these Dutchmen are racing, including upwind, in little buggies drawn
by un-sparred kites. Pretty amazing.
Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN