Re: Wing-Nut Plans!!!

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Probst" <stefan.probst@o...>
wrote:

<snip> "Maybe a scow bow?"

That would be fine, and add more bouyancy too. I was originally going
to make it scow bow'ed, and folding at the center joint to be a
automotive roof top luggage container. But realized I didn't want
roof racks on the Honda and needed some bookshelves, so....

<snip> (Duckworks) "I hope it will be in the free section ... I am
tempted to subscribe, but money has a different value in VN,"

Yes, I know. Our son taught English in Shanghai for two years. Lived
quite well on the salary: maid, eating out all the time, nice
apartment, travel all over China, saved a lot of his pay. His Chinese
savings of two years were entirely ate up paying for his trip home.

Make it free, (I haven't paid for Duckworks in years) start sending
Chuck articles for subscription credit. I for one, would be really
interested in some Asian boat, boatbuilding, river cruising, stories
with photos. Maybe a few others would be too.

Bruce Hector
It may be only chest deep, but the mud goes on forever. Don't fall in
head first.

--- "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:

> I'd say Wing-Nut is the name of the design, and the first of class
> also. So if you build it I'll be famous, Woooo Whoooo! Just say you
> built a Bruce Hector designed (I have my tounge firmly planted
> in my cheek) Wing-Nut, named whatever you like.

Well, I might call it the Bruce Hector (I won't expand into the
German meaning of your initials "BH" ;^) designed Peter Lenihan
collection of usable/floatable furnitures. <vbg>

> and moved the sketch to the files section of that same group.

Thanks!
I know see also your can-sized seal of acceptance right in the middle
of the plans. Or should those round marks symbolize a magnifying
glass around the description of the Lexan window?

> Fore rocker on mine is 3 inches off the flat.
> I wouldn't go any more than 4 inches, you want the point
> to just clear the water a max load.

What about some ripples, shouldn't it ride over them?

Your bow is stiched. Never done that. Frightens me, although I
know "it hurts only the first time", and sooner or later I will have
to do it. Maybe a scow bow (just sweep up the bottom, but keep the
sides straight). Would also be a homage to Vietnamese style. Or, in
addition to that pull the sides in a bit and make it a garvey (or
would it be then a punt?). We'll see.

> Aft rocker on mine is 2 inches, and if I do it again
> I'll increase it to 3 or 4 also, as you can see in the pics
> its dragging it's tail slightly. Best is to have the bottom
> of the transom just out of the water.

Noted.

> 1/4 inch ply is fine, in fact I'll drop the side ply to 1/8 th if I
> could get it. It's plenty stiff as it is. Especially if you bond in
> some shelf risers, which act as frames to further stiffen a stiff
> side.

Right. I thought about that shortly. But if used as outrigger, with
possibly more draft, and at higher speeds, then a slightly thicker
bottom might be advisable.

> Join them with bolts, and tighten them down. The stiffer the better.

I guess to use wing nuts (besides the cross section) is the only
fixed requirement to call a series of book shelves a "Wing Nut" Canoe?

> Oh, and wear your life jackets, I trust the water in Vietnam isn't
> too cold this time of year!

I will, and if it just to complete the image of a total crazy fool to
all the unbelieving by-standers. Water isn't cold, is only chest-deep
where I plan to use it, and I (like you ;) have invested over the
years into a "naturally grown safety belt/flotation device" around my
center of gravity. So, no need to worry.

> I sent a longish article to Chuck at Duckworks,
> who said he'll get it up soon.

I hope it will be in the free section ...
I am tempted to subscribe, but money has a different value in VN, and
there are no "regionally adjusted subscription rates" (yet?).

> Wow, imagine that, me an international boat designer.

The boat was designed in Canada, built and launched in Florida,
blessed with Belgian Beer, calling upon Greek and/or Roman deities.
Doen't this make it already "traditional" and "international"?

> Took some pics of it as a bookshelf today,
> I'll try to post the later.

I have already some more ideas:

- You could design the shelf boards in such a way that you can use
them to deck-in the boat, and thus get a aircraft carrier for model
planes ;)

- And what about the module with the well for live bait, that could
be used as an aquarium when in upright position?

- For my daughter, instead of making all shelves, we could make a
puppet house out of it.

- And for myself, I might put some light from behind the lexan window
and make a bar in front of it. Porto would probably look quite nice,
if illuminated from behind....

The advantage is, that rooms in Vietnam are usually quite high, so I
will have no problem to assemble 8 feet tall furniture (means: no
need to kneel to have access to the bottles) ....

As you see: all is set and built. Unfortunately until now only in my
virtual boat shed. Let's look to get it done.

Stefan

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...>
> wrote: "excited about roughing in the aft stateroom"
>
> You dirty dog you! Is that what we're calling it now?
>
> Le Mouton Noir de Kingston
> Who's always excited by boats.

Zat,monsieur Le Baron, eez vat zee real man have alvays called
it...eet eez only zee voman who like to "slapping",no?
Me no "dirty dog" so much as you maybe "sligh fox",yes?

Much heart felt thoughts,

Petrov Portinbellyski,who is liking much to practice your english
tongue despite epoxy on teeth and no finding Bolger plywood in
supermarket of tools...........

I think my ratio of boats built to plans purchased is about 1 boat for every 10 plans.

John T

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Lenihan
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:25 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat inventory

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:

With only 1 verifiable neuron still functioning in each lobe, this
must surely qualify me as a boat challenged bum considering that my
neuron collectivity has only allowed me to build 4 boats. Added to
this, I am compelled to sell them off each time I want to build
another.
They have been:

a Bolger SURF
a Redmond ELVER
a Bolger MICRO
and presently under construction a Bolger WINDERMERE

Prior to the building bug, I did however own a Laser,a Mistral 4.5,
a Tanzer 16 O/N and a lovely Rhodes 19. All long sold off.Do they
count?

Oh sure, I've lusted after a number of Beuhler,Benford and Garden
designs,not to mention a fleet of Bolger boats.Sprinkled in between
have been a Tad Roberts,a Parker,a Devlin,a Piver,a Wharram,a
Cross....oh the sinful lusting I have done!
But in the end, I have only ever bought 4 plans and only built as
many boats.
Alas,I am but a boatbuilding weenie amongst giants :-)

I would be curious to know the plans inventory held by folks or more
precisely,the ratio between plans owned and boats built from them.

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan, excited about roughing in the aft stateroom on
Windermere but frustrated that there is still more film in the
camera before developing.........

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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:

> > Do they count?
> > Peter Lenihan,
>
> Others?

Great question for a discussion board!

Built -
Cape Cod Frosty
Bolger Diablo
Pointy Skiff
Nymph
Micro

owned
Rhodes 22
Herreshoff Goldeneye

Still own:
Enterprise
Marshall 18
Diablo
Pointy Skiff
Linoleum canoe

Still in a tube -
Light Dory
Cartopper

Guess which boat in the current fleet sees the most use...:-)

Happy Building
David Jost
"is that epoxy I smell; or do I smell of epoxy?"

Cool Stefan,

I'd say Wing-Nut is the name of the design, and the first of class
also. So if you build it I'll be famous, Woooo Whoooo! Just say you
built a Bruce Hector designed (I have my tounge firmly planted in my
cheek) Wing-Nut, named whatever you like.

I posted all my pics of her so far in the Wing Nut album here:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst

and moved the sketch to the files section of that same group.

Fore rocker on mine is 3 inches off the flat. I wouldn't go any more
than 4 inches, you want the point to just clear the water a max load.

Aft rocker on mine is 2 inches, and if I do it again I'll increase it
to 3 or 4 also, as you can see in the pics its dragging it's tail
slightly. Best is to have the bottom of the transom just out of the
water.

1/4 inch ply is fine, in fact I'll drop the side ply to 1/8 th if I
could get it. It's plenty stiff as it is. Especially if you bond in
some shelf risers, which act as frames to further stiffen a stiff
side.

Join them with bolts, and tighten them down. The stiffer the better.

Oh, and wear your life jackets, I trust the water in Vietnam isn't
too cold this time of year!

Have a ball and post pictures.

I sent a longish article to Chuck at Duckworks, who said he'll get it
up soon.

Wow, imagine that, me an international boat designer.

Cool.

Bruce Hector
Took some pics of it as a bookshelf today, I'll try to post the later.

> Hi Bruce,
>
> I was comtemplating 2-feet-wide modular structures previously, but

> that time gave it up, since it is just too small for boats: You
> cannot pass each other on such a narrow space.
>
> However, my meanwhile more restricted building space, and your idea
> to use it as bookcase, revived my interest. Furthermore, I have now
> some use for a canoe, and besides that, it could later be used as

the

> outrigger in a Proa or a Trimaran. Finally, it looks like a
> perfect "father and daughter" project. My wife will leave to

Germany

> for two weeks in April, so this would be a good building time: My

11-

> years-old daughter could build one mid section module (I will only
> cut the ply for her), and I the bow and stern. Maybe one more mid
> section now - maybe later.
>
> In short: you got me hooked.
>
> Do you have already some more detailled plans? The sketch is a bit
> small in the photo section. I think, if you would put it in the

files

> section, then it would be available in full size.
>
> I assume the height is 1 foot? I did not see this measure in the
> sketch. What ply did you use? I guess 6 mm (1/4") would be enough,
> with 8 mm (3/8") on the safe side.
>
> What are the dimensions of the bow module?
> With 4" draft, the forward rocker should be at least 8", or what do
> you suggest? Your Wing-Nut seems to have less. With a rocker of

12",

> and a beam of 24", this would make a pointed bow with "balanced pea
> pressure" (i.e. curvature in the bottom same like in the sides),

no?

> Well, from the bookcase point-of-view, some stem would probably

look

> better.
>
> And the most important question ;):
> Is "Wing-Nut" the name of the design, or of your particular boat?

> latter one, then how is the design called? Bookcase Canoe?

Bookshelf

> Canoe? Ikea Canoe? The Storing Canoe (instead of the folding
> schooner)? The 8-Hector-Liter Boat (one hecto litre (equallying 100
> litres) being the common measure for beer in Bavaria)?
>
> Last, but not least: A few more photos with details would be
> appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan

--- "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:

> I know my wife is bored to tears with them. She likes her Wing-Nut
> bookcase though.

Hi Bruce,

I was comtemplating 2-feet-wide modular structures previously, but at
that time gave it up, since it is just too small for boats: You
cannot pass each other on such a narrow space.

However, my meanwhile more restricted building space, and your idea
to use it as bookcase, revived my interest. Furthermore, I have now
some use for a canoe, and besides that, it could later be used as the
outrigger in a Proa or a Trimaran. Finally, it looks like a
perfect "father and daughter" project. My wife will leave to Germany
for two weeks in April, so this would be a good building time: My 11-
years-old daughter could build one mid section module (I will only
cut the ply for her), and I the bow and stern. Maybe one more mid
section now - maybe later.

In short: you got me hooked.

Do you have already some more detailled plans? The sketch is a bit
small in the photo section. I think, if you would put it in the files
section, then it would be available in full size.

I assume the height is 1 foot? I did not see this measure in the
sketch. What ply did you use? I guess 6 mm (1/4") would be enough,
with 8 mm (3/8") on the safe side.

What are the dimensions of the bow module?
With 4" draft, the forward rocker should be at least 8", or what do
you suggest? Your Wing-Nut seems to have less. With a rocker of 12",
and a beam of 24", this would make a pointed bow with "balanced pea
pressure" (i.e. curvature in the bottom same like in the sides), no?
Well, from the bookcase point-of-view, some stem would probably look
better.

And the most important question ;):
Is "Wing-Nut" the name of the design, or of your particular boat? If
latter one, then how is the design called? Bookcase Canoe? Bookshelf
Canoe? Ikea Canoe? The Storing Canoe (instead of the folding
schooner)? The 8-Hector-Liter Boat (one hecto litre (equallying 100
litres) being the common measure for beer in Bavaria)?

Last, but not least: A few more photos with details would be
appreciated.

Cheers,
Stefan

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:

> Others?

Total length of all boats built,
or, more meaningful maybe:
Total GRT, aka sum of all prism volumes (prism volume being over-all
length times beam times height)

That last calculation would give at least my Brick-like "boat" some
advantage over all those flat mice <g>.

And your TIMS modules could compete adequately, too ;)

Cheers,
Stefan

> Do they count?
> Peter Lenihan,

I now realize there are many ways.

# of boats presently accumulated.
Total boats ever owned.
Total boats built.

And, my favorite, the BBA, [Bolger batting average]
% Bolger boats built.

And even other indicators,

'Blue Tubes' on the shelf.
Total pounds of boats built.
TIM's pieces accumlated.
Gallons of epoxy consumed.
Best boat shop / 'tool chest'.
Number of boat models.
Others?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...>
wrote: "excited about roughing in the aft stateroom"

You dirty dog you! Is that what we're calling it now?

Le Mouton Noir de Kingston
Who's always excited by boats.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote: "if we're playing true confessions"

Of course we are, if we can't brag about our silly little boats here,
where can we?

I know my wife is bored to tears with them. She likes her Wing-Nut
bookcase though.

Bruce Hector

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:

With only 1 verifiable neuron still functioning in each lobe, this
must surely qualify me as a boat challenged bum considering that my
neuron collectivity has only allowed me to build 4 boats. Added to
this, I am compelled to sell them off each time I want to build
another.
They have been:

a Bolger SURF
a Redmond ELVER
a Bolger MICRO
and presently under construction a Bolger WINDERMERE

Prior to the building bug, I did however own a Laser,a Mistral 4.5,
a Tanzer 16 O/N and a lovely Rhodes 19. All long sold off.Do they
count?

Oh sure, I've lusted after a number of Beuhler,Benford and Garden
designs,not to mention a fleet of Bolger boats.Sprinkled in between
have been a Tad Roberts,a Parker,a Devlin,a Piver,a Wharram,a
Cross....oh the sinful lusting I have done!
But in the end, I have only ever bought 4 plans and only built as
many boats.
Alas,I am but a boatbuilding weenie amongst giants :-)

I would be curious to know the plans inventory held by folks or more
precisely,the ratio between plans owned and boats built from them.

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan, excited about roughing in the aft stateroom on
Windermere but frustrated that there is still more film in the
camera before developing.........

These are the boats I have built. Most were given away to the kids at
Moss Landing Middle School and others who "helped" build them. Ten are
still in my backyard, including the first actually sold: Rosalie will
soon take my Oldshoe to Seattle.
See the recent article in Duckworks on my LPB design.

JOE'S PRETTY GOOD BOATS

1. Daisy May, Hill, for Dawn and Charley, c.1986
2. Oldshoe, Bolger, for JT, 1988
3. Teal, Bolger, "Fred", for JT
4. Teal for A.J. Thompson, 1995
5. Teal for Daniel Brown, 1995
6. Teal for Steven Mortenson,1995
7. Bateau 18 1/2 for MLMS, 1995
8. Bateau 20 for MLMS raffle, 1995,
to Michael Stevenson
9. Kayak, Newick, for Kirk Semis, 1996
10. Le Petit Bateau, Joe T, for Matt Young, 1996
11. LPB for Eric DeGroodt, 1996
12. LPB for Jacob Sanderson, 1996
13. LPB for Joe T, 1996
14. LPB for John Thompson, 1997
15. LPB for Harley Pemberton, 1997
16. LPB for MLMS, 1997, raffle to Helen Motyka,
donated to MLMS, auction to Vicki Testa, 2000
17. LPB for Tim Hereford, 1997
18. LPB for Orlando De La Cruz, 1997
19. North Greenland Kayak,"NGK" for Joe T, 1997
20. Surf, Bolger,"Moby Dick", for MLMS, 1998
21. Nymph, Bolger,"O'Mania", for Joe T, 1998
22. Minimum Kayak-15, after Bolger, for Eric Stover, 1999
23. Minimum Kayak, Bolger, for Miguel Santiago, 1999
24. Minimum Kayak for Corey Douglas, 1999
25. Elegant Punt, Bolger, for Jacob Smith, 1999
26. LPB-15 for Joe T, 2000 (green)
27. LPB-15 for John Reynolds, 2000
28. LPB-15 for Daniel Datlof, 2000
29. LPB-15 for John Wheelwright, 2000
30. LPB-15 for Adam Rule, 2001
31. LPB-15 for Enrique Gomez, 2001
32. LPB-15 for Ross Celica, 2001
33. LPB-15 for Joe T., 2001
34. Scow Ten, "SX", Joe T., 2001
35. Kayak, Rob Bryan, "Seguin," 2004
36. Teal, "Pepe" for Langarica family, 2004

John, let's keep going here. I have a 17'Starcraft in my yard, A 22'
Cris-craft, A10'x6' Frolicat ,a Scaffie, a 15'10" Seabreeze/Curlew and a
Lightning that is in the process of being changed into a power cruiser. Also
a 1964 Teena, APA plans, sans centerboard case, in the water once and scared
the builder out of his wits. 1968 Ouchita 12' fishing boat and an 8' dinghy
[Skimmar] My wife of more yrs. than I can remember has decided we're all
nut's.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Boat inventory

>
> Well, if we're playing true confessions, I built two Folbot kayaks, a
Kayel Slalom kayak, a strip built version of the Rob Roy canoe from the
lines in The Compleat Cruiser, a Thomaston Galley, an Oughtred Acorn Skiff,
a Sweet Pea, a Scooner, and a Michalak Mixer. This works out to about one
every 4 years...
>
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:28 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat inventory
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > I noticed you picked up the micros offered. How many in your "fleet"
> > > now?
> >
> > One Frosty (with a broken mast that I need to replace)
> > One old wooden Lightning in need of restoration
> > One Gloucester Gull in working order
> > Two Mouseboats in prime condition
> > One "His and Her" Schooner, in need of a weekend or two of further
> > work before first launch
> > Two Micros: one to be given away, and the other (half-finished) to
> > become a Micro Navigator
> > A dream about an Insolent 60
> >
> > Total: seven, eight if you count the other Micro.
> > Punchline: none of the sailboats currently work :-)
> >
> > Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
>
> ***********
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm a relative newcomer to small boating. My boat count is Zero. My
> boat project count is Three. One Micheal Storer "Goat Island Skiff"
> which is almost done. Two skin-on-frame kayak frames - need skinning.
> Have started gazing longingly at plans for Next Boat. Very likely a
> John Welsford boat, though I'm partial to the Chebacco and intrigued
> by the idea of a Long Micro Navigator. Anyone building one yet? Three,
> possibly four boats, that's it. The rest of you seem to have a Serious
> Problem. No, I swear, that's it! Well, maybe a houseboat - does that
> count?
>
> Cheers,
> David Graybeal
> Portland, OR.
>
> "Bound is the boatless man" - Norwegian folk saying
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Bruce
Thanks for editing my photos. I'm actually shooting 35mm film, then having a
disk burned along with a set of prints at the photo store. If you have
suggestions on how I might "downsize" as I post, I'd be glad to save you the
trouble.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention I have a Nymph in the basement (no, not the
Missus!), and a half completed Winter Wren by Sam Devlin. I started it 16
years ago. My friends tell me thatWHEN (yes I will finish it!!!) it's done,
it will qualify as the oldest new boat ever launched! Does Guiness have a
catagory for that?
Thanks, David Lipsey

Well, if we're playing true confessions, I built two Folbot kayaks, a Kayel Slalom kayak, a strip built version of the Rob Roy canoe from the lines in The Compleat Cruiser, a Thomaston Galley, an Oughtred Acorn Skiff, a Sweet Pea, a Scooner, and a Michalak Mixer. This works out to about one every 4 years...

John T

----- Original Message -----
From: David
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:28 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Boat inventory

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
>
> > I noticed you picked up the micros offered. How many in your "fleet"
> > now?
>
> One Frosty (with a broken mast that I need to replace)
> One old wooden Lightning in need of restoration
> One Gloucester Gull in working order
> Two Mouseboats in prime condition
> One "His and Her" Schooner, in need of a weekend or two of further
> work before first launch
> Two Micros: one to be given away, and the other (half-finished) to
> become a Micro Navigator
> A dream about an Insolent 60
>
> Total: seven, eight if you count the other Micro.
> Punchline: none of the sailboats currently work :-)
>
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>

***********

Hi All,

I'm a relative newcomer to small boating. My boat count is Zero. My
boat project count is Three. One Micheal Storer "Goat Island Skiff"
which is almost done. Two skin-on-frame kayak frames - need skinning.
Have started gazing longingly at plans for Next Boat. Very likely a
John Welsford boat, though I'm partial to the Chebacco and intrigued
by the idea of a Long Micro Navigator. Anyone building one yet? Three,
possibly four boats, that's it. The rest of you seem to have a Serious
Problem. No, I swear, that's it! Well, maybe a houseboat - does that
count?

Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR.

"Bound is the boatless man" - Norwegian folk saying

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Of course if noone has already come up with this
one(I'm about 30 behind on emails)how about fitting a
detachable skirt with a fan to pump it up and turn it
into a hovercraft until it gets to the water.Possibly
not as daft as it sounds because years ago a friend
made a basic hovercraft out of a sheet of
6'x4'ply'with two moped engines - one for lift,one for
thrust.He said that the moped engine would lift 4cwt
with no trouble.He also said that it went better over
water(the local canal)but had a decidedly hairy moment
when the plug on the lift engine carbonned up and the
engine stopped
Cheers
Andy
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "saillips"
<saillips@c...> wrote:

>
> Hi Susan, You've hit upon what I see as one of the

bigger challenges

> of the "Challenge" in a BW2. But as you say, Matt's

Parodox is about

> the same weight fully loaded, and there is a

gentleman who is again

> entering with a Sea Pearl 21, though I don't know

the weight of that

> boat.

I'm wondering about a solution for a similar sized
boat.

Inflatable beach rollers-used all the time in
Europe-will roll a
loaded Wayfarer above high water. Mainsheet used for
tackle going up
and down. Finding a stout anchor for the mainsheet
going uphill might
be tricky. For launching, hitch up the mainsheet
tackle to the kedge
anchor and HEAVE! Apparently that's how Paradox was
launched. Deflate
the rollers, haul up the anchor, attach the mainsheet
and set sail.
Piece of cake, no?

Wayne
In the Swamp.

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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:

>
> > I noticed you picked up the micros offered. How many in your "fleet"
> > now?
>
> One Frosty (with a broken mast that I need to replace)
> One old wooden Lightning in need of restoration
> One Gloucester Gull in working order
> Two Mouseboats in prime condition
> One "His and Her" Schooner, in need of a weekend or two of further
> work before first launch
> Two Micros: one to be given away, and the other (half-finished) to
> become a Micro Navigator
> A dream about an Insolent 60
>
> Total: seven, eight if you count the other Micro.
> Punchline: none of the sailboats currently work :-)
>
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>

***********

Hi All,

I'm a relative newcomer to small boating. My boat count is Zero. My
boat project count is Three. One Micheal Storer "Goat Island Skiff"
which is almost done. Two skin-on-frame kayak frames - need skinning.
Have started gazing longingly at plans for Next Boat. Very likely a
John Welsford boat, though I'm partial to the Chebacco and intrigued
by the idea of a Long Micro Navigator. Anyone building one yet? Three,
possibly four boats, that's it. The rest of you seem to have a Serious
Problem. No, I swear, that's it! Well, maybe a houseboat - does that
count?

Cheers,
David Graybeal
Portland, OR.

"Bound is the boatless man" - Norwegian folk saying

Funny -- for a while I actually kept the count in my head. I knew how
many boats I had built and how many I owned. Now . . . I've lost track!

Let's see:

2 Mouseboats
1 Toto
1 Piragua, with sailing rig
1 Gypsy
1 Mayfly
1 Elegant Punt
1 Cormorant, nearly done . . .
1 old 20' carvel-planked catboat awaiting restoration

Gave away:
1 Windsprint (wedding present)
1 15' stretched Piragua (housewarming present)
1 Larsboat (raffle prize for fire department)

Already dreaming of:
John Welsford's Navigator . . .
George Buehler 60' schooner . . .
Wharram 42' catamaran . . .

--Garth "what boat problem?" Battista

I feel quite self-denying in this company. Lilliput pram, Peach Pie dinghy and four kayaks.

Bill

PS I no longer have my favourite boat ever, which was a Payson Pirogue. If you've never had one - make one. You'll use it LOADS! I feel the need for a couple sheets of ply coming on . . .

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My boats?! How ever many there are, they are not nearly enough!

Don't tell my wife that, though.

JB

|
|
| --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote: "The
| other Bruce probably beats me too, though you and I are presently
| tied at seven. Teal, Spur II, Kotick, Roar, Yellow Leaf, Tortoise,
| Micro Navigator."
|

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote: "The
other Bruce probably beats me too, though you and I are presently
tied at seven. Teal, Spur II, Kotick, Roar, Yellow Leaf, Tortoise,
Micro Navigator."

Let's see,

Had a Nymph, but it was stolen, or misplaced, whaterver, so I can't
count that. And I won't count my two Micros as they're now in Sue
and ?Bryant's? fleet count.

So here goes.

Diablo, Skimmer, Payson Pirogue (in ned of some serious delaminatin
repairs, but not burned yet), TIMS (is this 1 or 11 boats?), Sport
Dory, Seagull, Wing-Nut modular canoe (could be counted as 4, or just
a set of pink and blue shelves), so that's the homebuilts. Plus an 8'
plastic tender, a 16' fibreglass Peterborough Canoe and Adagio my 38'
sort of home made houseboat.

Total fleet somewhere betweem 10 and 23.

But I'm still thinking of an 8 foot beam Tims type, a plywood
narrowboat, or a power sharpie, probably Tennessee.

Bruce "Boat-Mad" Hector
Stretching my dear Elaine's patience to no end, bound and determined
I'll get her to scream "What, not ANOTHER bloody boat!" at least once
in this incarnation.

So many boats, so little time.

Oh, and the carrier, can't forhet to build the carrier....

Presumably I'm the recipient of the Micro "to give away" if the offer
still holds.

This would make my count, as of today.

1 International Mirror
1 Poly paddleboat converted to rowboat
1 Home built skiff
1 Fisherman's Mouse
1 Micro cruiser

Bryant "boat envy" Owen

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
>
> > I noticed you picked up the micros offered. How many in your "fleet"
> > now?
>
> One Frosty (with a broken mast that I need to replace)
> One old wooden Lightning in need of restoration
> One Gloucester Gull in working order
> Two Mouseboats in prime condition
> One "His and Her" Schooner, in need of a weekend or two of further
> work before first launch
> Two Micros: one to be given away, and the other (half-finished) to
> become a Micro Navigator
> A dream about an Insolent 60
>
> Total: seven, eight if you count the other Micro.
> Punchline: none of the sailboats currently work :-)
>
> I think Bruce still has me beat in boat count, though, especially if
> you count the Timbits separately. :-)
>
> -- Sue --
> (Long-term, the I60, the Micro Navigator, and a racing boat of some
> sort (possibly the Lightning, possibly the I60) are staying, as are
> the Mice. We'll see about the rest.)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>

> I think Bruce still has me beat in boat count, though, especially if
> you count the Timbits separately. :-)
>
> -- Sue --

The other Bruce probably beats me too,
though you and I are presently tied at seven.

Teal, Spur II, Kotick, Roar, Yellow Leaf, Tortoise, Micro Navigator.

>
> Total: seven, eight if you count the other Micro.
> Punchline: none of the sailboats currently work :-)
>
> I think Bruce still has me beat in boat count, though, especially if
> you count the Timbits separately. :-)
>
>Sue, can you channel some of that interest and boat energy to my wife?

We've been together 20 years, so she is obviously a woman of (almost)
infinite patience, but she has a black belt in shopping and would
rather go to the mall than sailing. I'd rather endure bamboo shoots
under the fingernails than go to the mall.
Oh well.
Take care, DAvid

Hi Wayne and David G,
Go to www.watertribe.com
All the details are there, except entry fee.
The race is broken into 4 classes, so the sailboats such as mine don't
compete directly with the canoes and kayaks, etc.
Approx. 300 miles from Fort Desoto, just south of Tampa, to Key Largo.
I think it'll be a blast in the comfort of a BW.
David in Nashville

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dvd_godsey" <dvd_godsey@y...> wrote:

>
> Not sure what 'challenge' you refer to but here is a local idea

used

> by some area open ocean dory fishermen in Oregon. Don't know the
> weight you are dealing with, here is a
> guess solution:
>
> 1. Get a couple of poly barrels (normally blue, ~3/16" thick wall,
> 25 gallon variety). They are used for chemicals and around here,

the

> iodine rinse for milking parlors comes in them. Here in Tillamook
> County we are awash in surplus barrels.
> 2. Drill center holes and insert PVC pipe with a galvanized iron
> pipe or aluminum core.
> 3. Fill with poly foam for heavier boats.
> Bingo, instant boat roller.
>
> If you are really enterprising, some 2x4s and wide strapping can be
> used to make a sling. Tie off to cleats and it'll stay in place
> until you are ready to float them free.
>
> Dave G. - Nehalem, OR

Dave, it's the Water Tribe Everglades Challenge. A waterborne
competition along the Florida coast on the Gulf side I believe.
Originally started for paddlers and off-the-beach sailboats like
Hobies, larger sailboats wanted to join the fun. So, the organizers
initiated a "size filter". In essence, the boat is on land above the
waterline. At the start the boat must be launched from the beach. All
well and good. However, everything used to launch the boat (people,
hardware, hot air ballon, rollers, draft horses, etc.) must be placed
in the boat for the duration of the race. So far, fairly light
sailboats that one or two people can get in the water easily enjoy an
advantage over the paddlers.

Here comes the suppressed rant:

I, as a minority of one, think the "size filter" is artificial and
contrived. If the paddlers feel disadvantaged, make seperate
divsions. If the gung-ho types in light sailboats feel threatened by
larger craft like mine, make a seperate division. To further level
the playing field between paddlers and sailboats, have a series of
paddle/oars only legs like the Raids in Europe. I would enjoy
participating at a less than gung-ho level of competition. Make up
a "cruisers" division. Start last. Sail slow and taper off. Have fun
instead of beating your brains out. Participation would increase for
sure. Safety would be enhanced because us old coots in our big boats
would be along shortly to assist anyone in trouble.

From where I sit, the "size filter" is only limiting participation.
Until/unless there is a windless Everglades Challenge, sailboats will
have a clear advantage.

Wayne
In the Swamp.

> I noticed you picked up the micros offered. How many in your "fleet"
> now?

One Frosty (with a broken mast that I need to replace)
One old wooden Lightning in need of restoration
One Gloucester Gull in working order
Two Mouseboats in prime condition
One "His and Her" Schooner, in need of a weekend or two of further
work before first launch
Two Micros: one to be given away, and the other (half-finished) to
become a Micro Navigator
A dream about an Insolent 60

Total: seven, eight if you count the other Micro.
Punchline: none of the sailboats currently work :-)

I think Bruce still has me beat in boat count, though, especially if
you count the Timbits separately. :-)

-- Sue --
(Long-term, the I60, the Micro Navigator, and a racing boat of some
sort (possibly the Lightning, possibly the I60) are staying, as are
the Mice. We'll see about the rest.)

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

David,
Don't bother trying to glue styrofoam with regular contact cement. It will
just dissolve it, as will gasoline, and polyester resin. Look for a contact
cement that says for use with styrene foam on the label. You can also use
epoxy or certain construction adhesives (check the label).
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lipsey" <saillips@...>
At this point I'm
> cosidering the contact cement route, though it may have to be the low
> oder,
> water-based version to avoid melting the foam, which is what I think the
> solvent-based glue will do. I plan on a test piece this week. Take care,
> and
> thanks for keeping me apprised of your progress!
> David

Not sure what 'challenge' you refer to but here is a local idea used
by some area open ocean dory fishermen in Oregon. Don't know the
weight you are dealing with, here is a
guess solution:

1. Get a couple of poly barrels (normally blue, ~3/16" thick wall,
25 gallon variety). They are used for chemicals and around here, the
iodine rinse for milking parlors comes in them. Here in Tillamook
County we are awash in surplus barrels.
2. Drill center holes and insert PVC pipe with a galvanized iron
pipe or aluminum core.
3. Fill with poly foam for heavier boats.
Bingo, instant boat roller.

If you are really enterprising, some 2x4s and wide strapping can be
used to make a sling. Tie off to cleats and it'll stay in place
until you are ready to float them free.

Dave G. - Nehalem, OR

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lipsey" <saillips@c...> wrote:

> Hi Wayne. Sounds like a great idea, one I'm ignorant of.

Here you go, from a place in Maryland...

http://www.praktek.com/mcart/index.cgi?code=3&cat=8

And let me just say this about the silly size filter...oops, better
not. Mom raised me better than that.

Good luck!

Wayne
In the Swamp.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...>
wrote: "the only thing that will successfully be raided is

> my stash of Porto .... But yes y'all should drop in for a visit and

a tot!"

Why the heck have a 300 mile upstream maraton, I'd prefer a "fun"
event. Paddling or rwoing downhill, towards a case of Oporto. And
here he is above, our own gererous Peter Lenihna, practically begging
us to raid in his direction!

How about a raid that can be completed in a weekend. Say from
Fairmont CP Hotel's lovely Chateau Montibello
http://www.fairmont.com/montebello/
which has adequate accomodations for the Mouton Noir de Kingston
himself and a marina/canoe launch to Peter Lenihan's Top Secret
Oporto and Tapas bar at the lovely Ecluse de Cote St-Catherine hidden
in the treeline in the distance here at
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/stlauren/photos/stecatherine2.htm
with an overnight camp and sing son of the vieux courieres de bois
chansons (old singing Voyageurs) at Voyageur Provincial Park,
http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/voya.html
right by the only Portage around the Carilon Lock.
http://tinyurl.com/3mkbf
The squirrely lines at the left are the Voyageur Park and the lock is
at the end of the dam to the upper right.

We'd arrive in a fit condition to enjoy the splendiferous buffet and
open bar set up by Pirate Pete de Mon'real.

Bruce Hector
Warming up my drin... er, ... rowing arm, that's it, rowing arm and
polishing my horned Viking war helmet for the raid.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@n...> wrote:

>
> I presume you mean Quebec City. That'd be interesting.

Heck,that would be too easy! All one would need is a raft(45 gal.
drums,2X6 frame etc...I'm confident le Mouton Noir de Kingston could
devise a suitable platform..),storage space for consumable liquids
and off you'd go with the current tugging you there at about 2.5
knots and the prevailing winds at your back.I wanna be on THAT
raft :-)

Sincerely,

Huckleberry Looney,with dreams of lazy dog-day afternoons drifting
downstream to nowhere.........

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@n...> wrote:

> What would be more challenging I think would be a "raid" from M.
> Lenihan's humble boatyard to Haileybury via the Ottawa
> River/Temiskaming Waterway - with appropriate stages. All

upstream.

> I get tired just thinking about it.

Bryant,

This is a nice idea but....based solely on the proclivities of
one Big Bad Bruce,the only thing that will successfully be raided is
my stash of Porto. Add to this the industrial consumption of spicey
pickled meats,aged soft cheeses,sourkraut and some of BBB's famous
chili!
Oh yeah, I can just see us shoving off the ramp at sunrise the
following morning with the mist yet burned off the Seaway.Big Bad
Bruce in the lead boat hollerin' out in agony as he lets fly another
salvo from his personal rear-end Howitzer,all the while promising to
any and all who will listen,that this is the LAST time (KABOOM!),he
will ever(POW!) down such a malodorus melange (BANG!) promise....
The rest of us will wisely head upstream while our fearless,
fartfull leader,now nearly blind from the noxious vapours, pulls his
way unknowingly into the St.Catherine lock chambers. The men of the
Seaway commission will undoubtedly stare in stunned amazement at the
wee size of the boat materializing out of the mist but will run
screaming as yet another salvo is launched echoing its way up the
chamber walls and loosening little bits of mortar from the walls
themselves.Above the sounds of destruction,will come to be heard by
us Big Bad Bruces' grade school French,'' MAUDIT TABERNAC DE
CHALISSE! OU EST LE PAPIER DE TOILETTE''
Of course,we will do our best to control our own mirth with
polite giggles and guffaws while hoping the Coast Guarde doesn't
take much longer to get here :-D

But yes y'all should drop in for a visit and a tot!

Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan, crazy as usual.............

Yes, buy it, its getting hard to find now, who in their right mind would sell their copy anyway!!!??

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Hi Bob,
Good to hear from you. My project has been stalled since late October.
Hoping to make some progress soon. I went to a steel supplier and had them
cut the 1/2" plate since I don't have the cutting torch equipment. About
$80. Not cheap! I'd be very interested in the details of your steering gear.
I haven't started that yet, nor have I glued foam. At this point I'm
cosidering the contact cement route, though it may have to be the low oder,
water-based version to avoid melting the foam, which is what I think the
solvent-based glue will do. I plan on a test piece this week. Take care, and
thanks for keeping me apprised of your progress!
David

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Hi David,

Thanks for posting the pix, all of which I'm studying with interest!!

My BW2 has no pictures posted, but progress is happening (slowly). I am
still building pieces in the basement, awaiting the proper moment to run to
the garage and assemble them into something boat-like. The four frames,
stem, stern, steering mechanism are done. The (off) centerboard is cut out
in wood, but awaiting return of my oxygen regulator for the cutting
torch. It gave up at the early stages of cutting steel and is being
rebuilt. I'm presently cutting pieces for the OCB trunk. Also, I have
been trying to find a source for a trailer, and today I found a fellow that
builds drift boats and thinks he can be a trailer supplier. I hope this
works out.

I am taking some pix and hope to make these available soon. It is more fun
to look at your BW2, as she is boat shaped! I hope the ice melted in the
bow...

All the best and happy building,
Bob Larkin
Corvallis, OR

David Lipsey wrote:

>Hello all, I've added some photos of an earlier stage of the building
>process on my BW2, the implication of course is I've nothing new to
>post! snip.............

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lipsey" <saillips@c...> wrote:

> Hi Wayne. Sounds like a great idea, one I'm ignorant of.

Think big inflatable nylon/PVC sausages. You'll probably have to
import them from the U.K. A second choice would be suitable sized
flotation bags but they may not be as sturdy. West Marine shows
flotation bags in their catalog. The beach rollers/flotation bags can
be deflated and rolled and stowed or used for flotation as needed.
Talk to the Wayfarer sailors in the U.K.

Wayne
In the Swamp.

Hi Wayne. Sounds like a great idea, one I'm ignorant of. Where do I find
these wheels? My latest idea was 2" PVC schedule 80 pipes, about 36-48"
long, free to roll on lengths of pressure treated 2x2 laying on the sand.
Then kedge of f with multi-part rode for increased purchase (if needed). The
Everglades Challenge requires one to carry any launch gear used for the
entire course, so that seemed a cheap and portable way to go.Thanks for the
suggestion.
David

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@n...>
> wrote: "Too bad we don't have anything like that in Canada"

Y'all do have an event. The Silva Bay Boatschool Raid in August,
2005. Get fit and be there!

Wayne
In the Swamp.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "saillips" <saillips@c...> wrote:

>
> Hi Susan, You've hit upon what I see as one of the bigger challenges
> of the "Challenge" in a BW2. But as you say, Matt's Parodox is about
> the same weight fully loaded, and there is a gentleman who is again
> entering with a Sea Pearl 21, though I don't know the weight of that
> boat.

I presume you mean Quebec City. That'd be interesting. Hey, maybe we
could get the Feds to give us a sponsorship? (bad canuck joke here)

Bryant

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:

>
> > You organize it, and I'll enter, I promise.
>
> Montreal to Quebec?

> You organize it, and I'll enter, I promise.

Montreal to Quebec?

I love the Picton Island one. Do "the county" as they say there.

I think the Lake Ontario idea would be interesting provided we had
challenges i.e. paddling from Oswego to Niagara on the Lake.

What would be more challenging I think would be a "raid" from M.
Lenihan's humble boatyard to Haileybury via the Ottawa
River/Temiskaming Waterway - with appropriate stages. All upstream.
I get tired just thinking about it.

Bryant

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...>
wrote:

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@n...>
> wrote: "Too bad we don't have anything like that in Canada"
>
> Great idea Bryant.
>
> You organize it, and I'll enter, I promise.
>
> Around Picton Island, Sandbanks back to Sandbanks, what 80 miles,

for

> the junior event.
>
> Around Lake Ontario starting at the same spot with checkpoints in
> Kingston, Oswego, Niagra on the Lake and Toronto for the big

Canadian

> Waternuts Challenge! About 350 miles, a similar distance.
>
> What do you think?
>
> No, wait, DON'T tell me.
>
> Bruce Hector

Hi David
Rollers on wood should work fine although I'd be
inclined to use 1 1/2 or 2" square box section steel
for rigidity.I once moved a 12 ton lathe using a 1ton
pull lift singlehandedly using a similar method.Your
problem is more likely to be stopping it running away
downhill
Cheers
Andy Airey
--- saillips <saillips@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi Susan, You've hit upon what I see as one of the
bigger challenges
of the "Challenge" in a BW2. But as you say, Matt's
Parodox is about
the same weight fully loaded, and there is a gentleman
who is again
entering with a Sea Pearl 21, though I don't know the
weight of that
boat. So those were the two examples that made me
think it is
possible. I thought about wheels, but they might bog
down in soft
sand. I've also been thinking of 36" wide rollers
mounted on 1"x 6"
boards, 3 maybe 4, independent of each other and
hop-scotched down the
beach as the boat is moved towards the water. Pulling
power could come
from setting the heaviest anchor we would carry on the
beach or
further out in the water, and hauling with a
multi-purchase rigged
rode. The rules state that these items must remain
with/in the boat
for the duration of the Challenge, so that's why I'm
trying to think
of a small portable solution. The good news is I've
got slightly less
than one year to get it straight! The bad news is my
boat isn't
finished yet!!! BTW, the fellow with the Sea Pearl
dragged his boat
into the water on a "Slip and Slide". Just goes to
show!
I've always liked Scooner (Phil's spelling) and the
H&H Schooners. But
the BW2 is what I have to work with, and I figure if I
can get 1/2 to
2/3s of the hull in the water, I've got it made since
it only needs 6"
to float.
I noticed you picked up the micros offered. How many
in your "fleet"
now? I have the BW2 under construction, plus a
Catalina 22 in a cradle
in my (boat) yard. I see them as sculptural. I think
the neighbors see
them as they would an old Dodge sans wheels and up on
concrete blocks!
Thanks for the input. I look forward to meeting you
and your boats.
David

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Thank you for those words of comfort.You must know the
old mensuration joke - An engineer works to the
nearest thou,a plater to the nearest eighth,a
carpenter to the nearest quarter and a shipwright to
the nearest ship
Cheers
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY
<andyairey@y...>
wrote: "I can live with a 6'6" berth,as I said - I
fold well."

But you don't have to. Bolger's slab sided boats can
stand a bulkhead
or two being off by an inch or so. Heck, we're not
finish carpenters
here, even when we try to be spot on, I'll bet we're
all over the map.

So go ahead, move the foot end bulkhead an inch and
the head ended
bulkhead the opposite direction an inch.

Sleep in 6' 8" comfort.

You just nay not be able to turn around in the head!
Back in-walk out.

The "other" BH.
Bruce "Who builds with a real estate tape, we don't
need no stinking
fractions! Epoxy will bridge a three inch gap anyway!"
Hector

The man who helped Bill Sampson make the Gougeon
Brothers rich.

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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "saillips" <saillips@c...>
wrote: "I've added some photos of an earlier stage of the building
process on my BW2, It looks as though Bruce Hector (is he the
bolger4photos moderator?, ahhh YEP!) has been able to pare down the
size of the files of my earlier photos, and might want to do the same
to the new ones"

Sure did David,

Nice shots. Nice boat. If you do get it down Tampa way for next (or
any) years Watertribes Challenge be sure to look me up.

But tell me, I'm curious about how many photos you can get on your
camera's memory chip at nearly 3000 KB a shot? My little Fuji would
only take about a dozen.

Check in the amnual, or with the people in a camera shop. Once you
know hoe, (isn't that so true about so much) it's pretty easy to set
the resolution. And be able to 200 shots on the same chip.

Bruce Hector
Having trouble with my own memory banks as age, a liftime of aluminum
cookware and al. beer cans begin to kick in. Peter who?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@y...>
wrote: "I can live with a 6'6" berth,as I said - I fold well."

But you don't have to. Bolger's slab sided boats can stand a bulkhead
or two being off by an inch or so. Heck, we're not finish carpenters
here, even when we try to be spot on, I'll bet we're all over the map.

So go ahead, move the foot end bulkhead an inch and the head ended
bulkhead the opposite direction an inch.

Sleep in 6' 8" comfort.

You just nay not be able to turn around in the head! Back in-walk out.

The "other" BH.
Bruce "Who builds with a real estate tape, we don't need no stinking
fractions! Epoxy will bridge a three inch gap anyway!" Hector

The man who helped Bill Sampson make the Gougeon Brothers rich.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bryant Owen" <mariner@n...>
wrote: "Too bad we don't have anything like that in Canada"

Great idea Bryant.

You organize it, and I'll enter, I promise.

Around Picton Island, Sandbanks back to Sandbanks, what 80 miles, for
the junior event.

Around Lake Ontario starting at the same spot with checkpoints in
Kingston, Oswego, Niagra on the Lake and Toronto for the big Canadian
Waternuts Challenge! About 350 miles, a similar distance.

What do you think?

No, wait, DON'T tell me.

Bruce Hector

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...>
wrote: " Water Tribe's "Everglades Challenge", do you think a BW2,
would be a competative boat?" "Getting her off the beach would be a
challenge"

One of the entrants this year was a Sea Pearl 21, similar all up
weight, he took over an hour to kedge it off the beach using a walked
out anchor and a winch along with some rollers. So it can be done.
You fionally get in the water, and start to row, already dripping
with sweat and bordering on exhaustion. Whoo Hoo!

"Sue-thinking of entering next year with the H&HS, which should be
fast under both sail and oar power,"

Very cool Sue, wanna' race?

I was thinking Jim Michalaks IMB. Probably couldn't win, but I'd
sleep in more comfort and have room for a keg of beer. Smithwicks of
course! You'd never get very far ahead of me as long as the keg
wasn't yet empty, I'll wager.

Bruce Hector
Kedge heck! I don't lift anything heavier than a pint!

You're a brave woman indeed!

Too bad we don't have anything like that in Canada - at least AFAIK.

Bryant

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
> -- Sue --
> (thinking of entering next year with the H&HS, which should be fast
> under both sail and oar power, and is much lighter)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>

Hi Susan, You've hit upon what I see as one of the bigger challenges
of the "Challenge" in a BW2. But as you say, Matt's Parodox is about
the same weight fully loaded, and there is a gentleman who is again
entering with a Sea Pearl 21, though I don't know the weight of that
boat. So those were the two examples that made me think it is
possible. I thought about wheels, but they might bog down in soft
sand. I've also been thinking of 36" wide rollers mounted on 1"x 6"
boards, 3 maybe 4, independent of each other and hop-scotched down the
beach as the boat is moved towards the water. Pulling power could come
from setting the heaviest anchor we would carry on the beach or
further out in the water, and hauling with a multi-purchase rigged
rode. The rules state that these items must remain with/in the boat
for the duration of the Challenge, so that's why I'm trying to think
of a small portable solution. The good news is I've got slightly less
than one year to get it straight! The bad news is my boat isn't
finished yet!!! BTW, the fellow with the Sea Pearl dragged his boat
into the water on a "Slip and Slide". Just goes to show!
I've always liked Scooner (Phil's spelling) and the H&H Schooners. But
the BW2 is what I have to work with, and I figure if I can get 1/2 to
2/3s of the hull in the water, I've got it made since it only needs 6"
to float.
I noticed you picked up the micros offered. How many in your "fleet"
now? I have the BW2 under construction, plus a Catalina 22 in a cradle
in my (boat) yard. I see them as sculptural. I think the neighbors see
them as they would an old Dodge sans wheels and up on concrete blocks!
Thanks for the input. I look forward to meeting you and your boats.
David

> berth,as I said - I fold well.The motor may be more of
> a problem because,although you don't need much power
> on the canals themselves since there is a 4mph
> limit,the river part of the system can be a different
> matter.

The horsepower and the propellor matter more than
the fuel type I think. Asking Bolger would be wise
because he would have an expert opinion on this.

I predict that he would specify the use of the new
'high thrust" big prop outboards, like the
Yamaha T9.9, there are also 25 and 50 HP verisions.

Thanks Bruce

I think my next step must be to print out a copy of
the Weston Martyr drawing and go and talk nicely to my
canal boat building friends.Although 45ft is about
right for a universal canal boat(some canals have
50/55 ft long locks)it may be over the top for me but
if I don't ask I wont find out.I can live with a 6'6"
berth,as I said - I fold well.The motor may be more of
a problem because,although you don't need much power
on the canals themselves since there is a 4mph
limit,the river part of the system can be a different
matter.I once helped a friend move his 70' trip boat
from Keadby on the Trent round to Rotherham on the
Sheffield & South Yorkshire.Actually Keadby is the
outlet from the old line of the S&SY but because they
overlooked a 55'lock at Thorne when they modernised
the River Don and New Junction cut anything above 55'
has to go the long way round.You drop down the Trent
on the ebb(on tickover)to Trent Falls.Power across the
Ouse(40hp on full throttle and you weren't making much
progress)and tie up and then up to Goole on the flood.
I'm a bit confused about the comments on it's long
distance sailing abilities though - does that mean
that it would always sail heeled over
Cheers
Andy
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

> I've been looking at the Bolger Picara,

Picara is a Jim Mickalak design, seemingly way too
small for
Andrew's wishlist.

> Anhinga is a 23'7" by 5' 7" design which I once read

PCB has indicated

> he'd like to talk to anybody wanting to build it as

no one had built

> it full size at that time.

Anhinga was built, search 'way back' in the archives
of this
Group for discussion of that. I recall, mysteriously,
the hull
capsized, which seemed to violate the physics of the
buoyancy curve and suggested a flooding of the aft
chamber somehow. I still think Anhinga is an
interesting
boat that I would like to build someday.

Weston Martyr #487 comes close to Andrew's wishlist,
though no inboard diesel, and not primarily a motor
sailer, but she would speed right along with a small
outboard
motor, I would think.

I think that Bolger's standard berth length is 6'6" so
that
a 6'7" tall person would be hurting. Perhaps the
bulkhead
at the foot of one of the berths in #487 could have a
hole cut out in it to allow your feet to stretch
through.

One 'big and tall' guy boat that he designed is
WhaleWatcher.
In BWAOM, but it is 8 foot wide, I see.

Andrew may need a custom design from Bolger, and
his design backlog is huge. Fax him and ask if he has

an idea or a prior design to suite.

http://hallman.org/bolger/487/487.gif
shows a scan of the article for you to study.
This is from the excellent magazine _Messing About in
Boats_,
[everybody should subscribe].

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> Have any of our members competed in the Water Tribe's "Everglades
> Challenge", (see watertribe.com). And if so, do you think a BW2, with
> 6" draft and easily moved by sail or oar, would be a competative boat?

Getting her off the beach would be a challenge -- you're required to
start with your boat above the high-water mark and shift her across
the beach by hand, without leaving anything behind (like a trailer).
Moving 1000 pounds of boat across 50 yards of beach seems like quite a
feat, unless you install retractable portage wheels or something
similar. If you could get her into the water, though, she ought to do
reasonably well.

OTOH, Matt Layden won a couple of years ago in the Paradox prototype.
Fully loaded, a Paradox comes out to a similar all-up weight, though
the ballast is removable and I'm not sure if Matt sailed with empty
water ballast tanks.

-- Sue --
(thinking of entering next year with the H&HS, which should be fast
under both sail and oar power, and is much lighter)

--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>

> I've been looking at the Bolger Picara,

Picara is a Jim Mickalak design, seemingly way too small for
Andrew's wishlist.

> Anhinga is a 23'7" by 5' 7" design which I once read PCB has indicated
> he'd like to talk to anybody wanting to build it as no one had built
> it full size at that time.

Hello all, I've added some photos of an earlier stage of the building
process on my BW2, the implication of course is I've nothing new to
post! It looks as though Bruce Hector (is he the bolger4photos
moderator?) has been able to pare down the size of the files of my
earlier photos, and might want to do the same to the new ones to save
space. Pure speculation on my part as I don't know how these things
work! :~) Also, I was wondering where Nels has been lurking lately,
and Peter Lenihan, too. Hope all is well. Thanks to all for the great
messages, info, photos, humor, and inspiration. Two last questions.
Have any of our members competed in the Water Tribe's "Everglades
Challenge", (see watertribe.com). And if so, do you think a BW2, with
6" draft and easily moved by sail or oar, would be a competative boat?
Thanks again, David Lipsey

Andy,

I've been looking at the Bolger Picara, which has an absolute beam of
6' 10" with leeboards. It's an 18 footer, but a stretched version
might fit your needs. Since stability improves with length, it should
be more stable in a stretched form. I would consult with PCB &
friends before proceeding with a stretch however. Don't think I've
ever seen a six by thirty-ish design by Bolger.

Anhinga is a 23'7" by 5' 7" design which I once read PCB has indicated
he'd like to talk to anybody wanting to build it as no one had built
it full size at that time. It's in the files section in the Bolger 2
group.

Just my $.02

TomP
Tulls Bay, NC

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@y...> wrote:
> Thanks Bruce
>
> While I'm learning how to navigate my way round the
> site(before learning how to navigate my way round
> anywhere else)does anyone else have any information
> about Weston Martyr please.
> The sort of spec I was looking for - the assumption is
> that I will only have one boat - is as follows
>
> Motor sailer (inboard diesel)
> Liveaboard 1 or 2
> Cruising 4
> nb I'm 6'7" tall so a reasonable headroom would be
> useful(although I do fold well)My two mates are both
> big(or at least wide)lads as well
> Length about 30' - not critical
> Beam 6'10" absolute maximum probably6'6" on design
> Draught 2'max
> The beam and draught are to suit English narrow
> canals,which is where the boat is likely to spend most
> of it's time(hence the inboard diesel)
> Hull - steel. This is because a) I'm more familiar
> with the material b)less susceptible to damage in
> canal use - I don't make a practice of ramming things
> before anyone comments but I do remember the 'Navy
> Lark'(50's BBC radio comedy) c)I'm friendly with a
> firm that builds canal boats
> Sailing Capabilities - This is where I'm a complete
> novice.The thought was that I would like to cross the
> English Channel and go sailing in the Med via the
> French canal system.Capability for further afield
> would be nice.This is where I'm well out of my
> depth.I've been wondering about a slimline AS29 or 39
> with detachable leeboards but although the beam is
> only about a foot or so narrower than those would it
> compromise the sailing stability.Because of the steel
> construction I was wondering if it would be possible
> to add detachable outriggers to make a narrow
> trimaran(overall beam about 12') for stability and to
> improve buoyancy.Any comments - even if only to say
> that I'm shooting for the moon.
> Cheers
> Andy
>
>

Thanks Bruce

While I'm learning how to navigate my way round the
site(before learning how to navigate my way round
anywhere else)does anyone else have any information
about Weston Martyr please.
The sort of spec I was looking for - the assumption is
that I will only have one boat - is as follows

Motor sailer (inboard diesel)
Liveaboard 1 or 2
Cruising 4
nb I'm 6'7" tall so a reasonable headroom would be
useful(although I do fold well)My two mates are both
big(or at least wide)lads as well
Length about 30' - not critical
Beam 6'10" absolute maximum probably6'6" on design
Draught 2'max
The beam and draught are to suit English narrow
canals,which is where the boat is likely to spend most
of it's time(hence the inboard diesel)
Hull - steel. This is because a) I'm more familiar
with the material b)less susceptible to damage in
canal use - I don't make a practice of ramming things
before anyone comments but I do remember the 'Navy
Lark'(50's BBC radio comedy) c)I'm friendly with a
firm that builds canal boats
Sailing Capabilities - This is where I'm a complete
novice.The thought was that I would like to cross the
English Channel and go sailing in the Med via the
French canal system.Capability for further afield
would be nice.This is where I'm well out of my
depth.I've been wondering about a slimline AS29 or 39
with detachable leeboards but although the beam is
only about a foot or so narrower than those would it
compromise the sailing stability.Because of the steel
construction I was wondering if it would be possible
to add detachable outriggers to make a narrow
trimaran(overall beam about 12') for stability and to
improve buoyancy.Any comments - even if only to say
that I'm shooting for the moon.
Cheers
Andy

--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

> I remember seeing a Bolger
> cartoon for a boat designed (I believe) for an
> Australian who wished
> to have ocean-crossing capability with European

canal

> compatability.

That would be Weston Martyr, design 487. It has a
balanced lug rig with small mizzen and bow steering
sails. A pretty interesting boat, except the steel
hull
scares me as too expensive, too cold, and too noisy.

I suspect that Bolger chose that rig for its low
stress
simplicity and for the tendency to spend days at a
time
on one tack while crossing oceans. I predict that he
would think that a kite sail would require the crew to

expose themselves to too much risk while handling it.
Though, I don't really understand kite sails other
than
seeing them in action and they seem to need
acrobatics.

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