Re: Beach Rollers and Home Depot
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lipsey" <saillips@c...> wrote:
If/when I ever get around to building a boat, the Big Box places may
be the only source I have. I may have to go once a week and pick
through the junk to find the pearls. No worries.
If that is the case, I have my eye on a John Atkin design that
probably shouldn't be built with anything better than what I can find
at the Big Box stores. Probably save a bundle in the process. No
worries.
It is the if/when that bothers me now.
Wayne
In the Swamp.
> Hi Wayne,thinking along
> Yeah, I know the thought of building a boat with materials from Home
> Depot/Lowes makes a lot of people cringe and spit, but I was
> the lines of "Dynamite" Payson, Jim Michalak, "instant boat" typestuff.
If/when I ever get around to building a boat, the Big Box places may
be the only source I have. I may have to go once a week and pick
through the junk to find the pearls. No worries.
If that is the case, I have my eye on a John Atkin design that
probably shouldn't be built with anything better than what I can find
at the Big Box stores. Probably save a bundle in the process. No
worries.
It is the if/when that bothers me now.
Wayne
In the Swamp.
> I wouldn't have had ANY boat if itThere are centuries of proof that boats made
> weren't for a "down and dirty" approach.
from ordinary and scrounged materials work fine.
Boats don't need to be shrines, unless that is
your personal preference. Heck, if your boat
lasted forever, you wouldn't need/get to build
more boats.
====2 topics in 1 subject line====
Scrounging through old MAIB's I found this cool
article about a budget boat dolly. What a
great magazine!
http://hallman.org/dolly.gif
Hi Wayne,
Yeah, I know the thought of building a boat with materials from Home
Depot/Lowes makes a lot of people cringe and spit, but I was thinking along
the lines of "Dynamite" Payson, Jim Michalak, "instant boat" type stuff.
The first boat I built (1988) was a Bolger Gypsy from The New Instant Boats
book. Luan and polyester resin. Total cost $185, rigged with a windsurfer
sail. Dragged it up into the back of the Toyota pick-up, drove to the lake,
dragged it down the grass to the rocky shore and went sailing. Sailed it
VERY hard (read gung ho), and developed ways to hike out without getting
lacerations on my thighs, for about three years. It would have lasted much
longer, except that I kept it stored in my back yard flipped upside down,
and one day an out-of-town friend dropped by to visit. He had been to get
plywood from Nashville Plywwod Co., and the bed of his full sized pick-up
was loaded with 3/4" up to the top of the bed. After a couple of hours, he
had to head back out-of-town, and as he was backing up in my back yard, he
couldn't see the Gypsy and his rear left wheel rolled right up onto the
starboard rear quarter of the hull . He imediately knew something wasn't
right and stopped with the tire resting on the bottom of the hull. I was
watching from the front yard as for about 2-3 seconds the truck just sat
there, then the wheel dropped through the hull. My friend got out of his
truck and literally fell to his knees in shock and guilt. I walked down and
consoled him the only way I knew how. "David", I said, "you've done me a
favor! You've given me a reason to build another boat!".
Point of this whole rambling is that I wouldn't have had ANY boat if it
weren't for a "down and dirty" approach.
And yes, even though there are a few old-time lumber yards around here and
good saw mills out in the country, the corporate giants have forced the
closing of smaller independents, much the shame.
FWIW, my local Home depot used to carry Doug fir at decent prices. No
longer. They used to sell 3M 5200, black and white, for $6 a tube. No
longer.
And the wheels keep turning.
Cheers, David
PS, we love to visit NOLA. Great food and libations!
Yeah, I know the thought of building a boat with materials from Home
Depot/Lowes makes a lot of people cringe and spit, but I was thinking along
the lines of "Dynamite" Payson, Jim Michalak, "instant boat" type stuff.
The first boat I built (1988) was a Bolger Gypsy from The New Instant Boats
book. Luan and polyester resin. Total cost $185, rigged with a windsurfer
sail. Dragged it up into the back of the Toyota pick-up, drove to the lake,
dragged it down the grass to the rocky shore and went sailing. Sailed it
VERY hard (read gung ho), and developed ways to hike out without getting
lacerations on my thighs, for about three years. It would have lasted much
longer, except that I kept it stored in my back yard flipped upside down,
and one day an out-of-town friend dropped by to visit. He had been to get
plywood from Nashville Plywwod Co., and the bed of his full sized pick-up
was loaded with 3/4" up to the top of the bed. After a couple of hours, he
had to head back out-of-town, and as he was backing up in my back yard, he
couldn't see the Gypsy and his rear left wheel rolled right up onto the
starboard rear quarter of the hull . He imediately knew something wasn't
right and stopped with the tire resting on the bottom of the hull. I was
watching from the front yard as for about 2-3 seconds the truck just sat
there, then the wheel dropped through the hull. My friend got out of his
truck and literally fell to his knees in shock and guilt. I walked down and
consoled him the only way I knew how. "David", I said, "you've done me a
favor! You've given me a reason to build another boat!".
Point of this whole rambling is that I wouldn't have had ANY boat if it
weren't for a "down and dirty" approach.
And yes, even though there are a few old-time lumber yards around here and
good saw mills out in the country, the corporate giants have forced the
closing of smaller independents, much the shame.
FWIW, my local Home depot used to carry Doug fir at decent prices. No
longer. They used to sell 3M 5200, black and white, for $6 a tube. No
longer.
And the wheels keep turning.
Cheers, David
PS, we love to visit NOLA. Great food and libations!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lipsey" <saillips@c...> wrote:
I'm in New Orleans, near the Real Swamp, and looking to get out the
minute SWMBO says I can afford to retire.
Build a boat entirely out of materials purchased at Home Depot? Ick!
Some people seem to have ok luck finding the occassional clear piece
of red cedar or doug-fir. The stores here seem to have nothing but
junk SYP. Forget plywood. Don't get me started. The net result of
H.D.'s and Lowes' success is the extinction of real lumber yards. Did
I say, "Don't get me started?"
The Therm-A-Rest idea might work for a narrow flat bottom boat like a
dory. At 20" wide and $70/each I don't think they would be a good
idea for a wider boat or one like mine with a v-bottom and knuckles.
As it exists now, I don't see myself participating in the Everglades
Challenge. I might just happen to be crusing in the vicinity at the
same time. I would even volunteer to be the last boat on the course
and lend assistance to anyone who needed it. I'm after fun not work.
I already have a GPS and VHF radio. Surely you meant VHF radio and
not SSB radio? I can't picture an SSB on a kayak. An EPIRB is on my
shopping list for the Inside Passage cruise that floats around in the
back of my brain. I read recently that either Boat US or West Marine
rent EPIRBs by the month. Check it out-could be the answer for the
occasional user.
Mention the "crusers" category (see my rant elsewhere) to the Chief.
Participation might increase. Translation: more entry fees.
Good luck!
Wayne
In the Swamp.
> Hello again Wayne,you.
> Thanks for the link. Brillant idea. BTW, where "in the swamp" are
I'm in New Orleans, near the Real Swamp, and looking to get out the
minute SWMBO says I can afford to retire.
Build a boat entirely out of materials purchased at Home Depot? Ick!
Some people seem to have ok luck finding the occassional clear piece
of red cedar or doug-fir. The stores here seem to have nothing but
junk SYP. Forget plywood. Don't get me started. The net result of
H.D.'s and Lowes' success is the extinction of real lumber yards. Did
I say, "Don't get me started?"
The Therm-A-Rest idea might work for a narrow flat bottom boat like a
dory. At 20" wide and $70/each I don't think they would be a good
idea for a wider boat or one like mine with a v-bottom and knuckles.
As it exists now, I don't see myself participating in the Everglades
Challenge. I might just happen to be crusing in the vicinity at the
same time. I would even volunteer to be the last boat on the course
and lend assistance to anyone who needed it. I'm after fun not work.
I already have a GPS and VHF radio. Surely you meant VHF radio and
not SSB radio? I can't picture an SSB on a kayak. An EPIRB is on my
shopping list for the Inside Passage cruise that floats around in the
back of my brain. I read recently that either Boat US or West Marine
rent EPIRBs by the month. Check it out-could be the answer for the
occasional user.
Mention the "crusers" category (see my rant elsewhere) to the Chief.
Participation might increase. Translation: more entry fees.
Good luck!
Wayne
In the Swamp.
Hello again Wayne,
Thanks for the link. Brillant idea. BTW, where "in the swamp" are you. I
think FLA, right? But are you down there amongst the Water Tribe? Are you
interested in or have you competed in the challenge? "Chief" from the tribe
has been very kind with information and words of encouragement, though I
have to admit to "sticker shock" when he related the entry fee to me: $590
USD to enter myself and one crew member ( I wouldn't consider entering
solo). That, coupled with the required EPIRB, GPS, SSB, and other various
letters of the alphabet drives the cost of "competing" to about what I'll
have spent to build and finish the BW2. And FWIW, I think the bridge
"filters" etc., are intriquing ways to get people to be creative with their
entries.
Speaking of the Orange Box Store, for a couple of years I've been thinking
that with an organized effort, maybe they'd sponser a Home Depot Boat event
anually. You know, people who enter build a boat with only the materials
available at the Home Depot (with certain length/displacement limits as they
probably wouldn't want to foot the bill for someone's 110' Bark or 40' dream
cruiser), turn in the receipts, and Home Depot reimburses entrants in
exchange for the publicity. I never pursued it because in reality they're
making money hand over fist on the building boom, and the DIY home
boatbuilder market is such a very small niche.I generally wait for someone
to tell me "no" rather than jump to a negative conclusion, but it probably
wouldn't be worth their time and effort.
On the other hand, I asked Chief about sponsership for the challenge,
whether it would run contrary to the spirit of the Tribe and the event, and
he said no problem, go for it. And so begins another chapter in my nautical
endeavors: Boat Slut (picture the Home Depot logo on my topsides)!
Thanks again Wayne,
David Lipsey
Thanks for the link. Brillant idea. BTW, where "in the swamp" are you. I
think FLA, right? But are you down there amongst the Water Tribe? Are you
interested in or have you competed in the challenge? "Chief" from the tribe
has been very kind with information and words of encouragement, though I
have to admit to "sticker shock" when he related the entry fee to me: $590
USD to enter myself and one crew member ( I wouldn't consider entering
solo). That, coupled with the required EPIRB, GPS, SSB, and other various
letters of the alphabet drives the cost of "competing" to about what I'll
have spent to build and finish the BW2. And FWIW, I think the bridge
"filters" etc., are intriquing ways to get people to be creative with their
entries.
Speaking of the Orange Box Store, for a couple of years I've been thinking
that with an organized effort, maybe they'd sponser a Home Depot Boat event
anually. You know, people who enter build a boat with only the materials
available at the Home Depot (with certain length/displacement limits as they
probably wouldn't want to foot the bill for someone's 110' Bark or 40' dream
cruiser), turn in the receipts, and Home Depot reimburses entrants in
exchange for the publicity. I never pursued it because in reality they're
making money hand over fist on the building boom, and the DIY home
boatbuilder market is such a very small niche.I generally wait for someone
to tell me "no" rather than jump to a negative conclusion, but it probably
wouldn't be worth their time and effort.
On the other hand, I asked Chief about sponsership for the challenge,
whether it would run contrary to the spirit of the Tribe and the event, and
he said no problem, go for it. And so begins another chapter in my nautical
endeavors: Boat Slut (picture the Home Depot logo on my topsides)!
Thanks again Wayne,
David Lipsey
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne" <wtorry@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: [bolger] Beach Rollers for Water Tribes Size Filter
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Lipsey" <saillips@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Wayne. Sounds like a great idea, one I'm ignorant of.
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> Here you go, from a place in Maryland...
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>http://www.praktek.com/mcart/index.cgi?code=3&cat=8
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> And let me just say this about the silly size filter...oops, better
> not. Mom raised me better than that.
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> Good luck!
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> Wayne
> In the Swamp.
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