Re: Caulking report, was Caulking stuff
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, hal <hl700@c...> wrote:
I must have missed something along the way but I did not know the
TEAL even had a deck(s)......I do recall it having just a few slates
to hold the prescribed floatation in place but otherwise deckfree.
Perhaps you WANT to have a deck(s) instead of slates and if that
is the case,the deck is so teeny why even make it removable at all
when it amounts to just a big breasthook anyway and that is
something you'd want solidly anchored in place :-)
Access bellow can be assured through openings easily made through
whatever bulkhead(s) you would place inboard to support the upper
aft edge of the "deck".
Hope this makes sense, as I can hardly understand it myself :-)
Sorry to read about the mess with caulking goop.Aim for solid boat
boatbuilding and not dismountable boats.............:-D
Sincerely,
Peter "quit caulking around" Lenihan,halfway through the aft
stateroom and making plans for the roof beintôt,from along the banks
of the St.Lawrence.........
> One of my constraints is that I want the decks to beHi Hal,
> removable.
>
I must have missed something along the way but I did not know the
TEAL even had a deck(s)......I do recall it having just a few slates
to hold the prescribed floatation in place but otherwise deckfree.
Perhaps you WANT to have a deck(s) instead of slates and if that
is the case,the deck is so teeny why even make it removable at all
when it amounts to just a big breasthook anyway and that is
something you'd want solidly anchored in place :-)
Access bellow can be assured through openings easily made through
whatever bulkhead(s) you would place inboard to support the upper
aft edge of the "deck".
Hope this makes sense, as I can hardly understand it myself :-)
Sorry to read about the mess with caulking goop.Aim for solid boat
boatbuilding and not dismountable boats.............:-D
Sincerely,
Peter "quit caulking around" Lenihan,halfway through the aft
stateroom and making plans for the roof beintôt,from along the banks
of the St.Lawrence.........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, hal <hl700@c...> wrote:
"In ten minutes I managed to caulk 35% of my body and most of the
garage. The Teal fared a little better."
Good work Hal,
Did you hear the story about the engineer with two degeres who used
expanding foam in the air chambers of his beautiful strip built
canoe....
Believe me, it can get far worse.
Bruce Hector
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000IslandFunRowers/
A group for fun or touring rowing I'm trying to get going here in
Kingston now that the water has (mostly) thawed.
On Apr 4, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
hal
> Liberal use of masking tape helps a little.Oh sure?! Now you tell me.
>
> Disposable 'one use' cardboard 'coving tools'
> you make with a sissors can help too.
hal
> I am in awe of you who can actually do this correctly.I don't think you are describing anyone around here.
> hal,
Liberal use of masking tape helps a little.
Disposable 'one use' cardboard 'coving tools'
you make with a sissors can help too.
The theme of the responses seemed to be it doesn't matter
what you use.
One of my constraints is that I want the decks to be
removable.
One suggestion was to use peanut butter, however the
only peanut butter I had was crunchy so that was out.
Going with the theme of "use what you have laying
around" I chose left over rain gutter caulk. I had
only enough to do the bow which was a blessing in
disguise. Can you say mess of the century?
If this stuff wont sand I am going to have a one mile
finish on my Teal. In ten minutes I managed to caulk
35% of my body and most of the garage. The Teal fared
a little better.
For the stern I tried tub and tile caulk. I am going
to have to repaint the caulked areas anyway, see below,
so sun resistance was not too important in the end. This
was easier than the rain gutter stuff to apply. Erroneously
thinking I could actually get a smooth finish I tried the
old wet finder trick. This caused the caulk to form lumps
so I will be sanding and painting fore and aft.
I am in awe of you who can actually do this correctly.
hal, the caulking challenged, from snowy northern Utah.
what you use.
One of my constraints is that I want the decks to be
removable.
One suggestion was to use peanut butter, however the
only peanut butter I had was crunchy so that was out.
Going with the theme of "use what you have laying
around" I chose left over rain gutter caulk. I had
only enough to do the bow which was a blessing in
disguise. Can you say mess of the century?
If this stuff wont sand I am going to have a one mile
finish on my Teal. In ten minutes I managed to caulk
35% of my body and most of the garage. The Teal fared
a little better.
For the stern I tried tub and tile caulk. I am going
to have to repaint the caulked areas anyway, see below,
so sun resistance was not too important in the end. This
was easier than the rain gutter stuff to apply. Erroneously
thinking I could actually get a smooth finish I tried the
old wet finder trick. This caused the caulk to form lumps
so I will be sanding and painting fore and aft.
I am in awe of you who can actually do this correctly.
hal, the caulking challenged, from snowy northern Utah.
In a message dated 4/2/05 11:06:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
clydewis@...writes:
It is not something you would want to use on any two pieces of wood you might
someday want to separate, e.g. if the boat owner decides that the boat is a
keeper and wants to rectify some of deficiencies in joinery in the future. It
sounds to me like the original inquiry was more concerned about limiting water
infiltration and enhancing the cosmetics.
Without knowing anything about anything, I think my inclination would be to
look for products that painters use when doing wood siding - 1) it would be the
kind of stuff that Home Despot, Menards, etc. stock; 2) it would be
formulated for its ease of use and cosmetic properties, rather than adhesion; 3) it
would have been developed for a much larger, more lucrative market than any
boating product and probably benefits from more R&D. Mind you, I have no idea what
house painters use for what, but I think I'd ask one.
Ciao for Niao
Bill in MN
(contemplating my latest deficiencies in wood joiner)
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clydewis@...writes:
> 5200 is very strong and hard when dry, and you can sand it and3M 5200 is also a terrific adhesive, as I believe someone has already noted.
> paint it. Clyde
>
>
It is not something you would want to use on any two pieces of wood you might
someday want to separate, e.g. if the boat owner decides that the boat is a
keeper and wants to rectify some of deficiencies in joinery in the future. It
sounds to me like the original inquiry was more concerned about limiting water
infiltration and enhancing the cosmetics.
Without knowing anything about anything, I think my inclination would be to
look for products that painters use when doing wood siding - 1) it would be the
kind of stuff that Home Despot, Menards, etc. stock; 2) it would be
formulated for its ease of use and cosmetic properties, rather than adhesion; 3) it
would have been developed for a much larger, more lucrative market than any
boating product and probably benefits from more R&D. Mind you, I have no idea what
house painters use for what, but I think I'd ask one.
Ciao for Niao
Bill in MN
(contemplating my latest deficiencies in wood joiner)
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Actually Bruce the one I helped assemble was caulked minutes before
launching. It wasn't until it was in the water did we realize that
we'd used water soluble latex caulking instead of, well, something
else. I'd like to believe that if the caulk had had a time to "cure"
it would've been OK.
Heck, it made a great breakfast table.
Bryant
launching. It wasn't until it was in the water did we realize that
we'd used water soluble latex caulking instead of, well, something
else. I'd like to believe that if the caulk had had a time to "cure"
it would've been OK.
Heck, it made a great breakfast table.
Bryant
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robert pyfrom" <neetra@c...>
> wrote: "swear by Ace bath-tub caulk,"
>
> All my TIMS units were assembled solely with drywall screws and
> whatever caulk was cheapest at HD, can't remember the name. Simple 2 by
> 2 inside franes, the goop caulked along in a solid line and screwed
> from the outside. Wipe up the excess. Simple.
>
> None of mine leaked.
>
> Two, that were assembled right at the Kingston Messabout did leak, one
> so badly that it actually caught a fish! No caulk was used on these two.
>
> Bruce Hector
>http://www.brucesboats.com
> For info on the great 2005 Kingston Messabout and lots of TIMS photos.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robert pyfrom" <neetra@c...>
wrote: "swear by Ace bath-tub caulk,"
All my TIMS units were assembled solely with drywall screws and
whatever caulk was cheapest at HD, can't remember the name. Simple 2 by
2 inside franes, the goop caulked along in a solid line and screwed
from the outside. Wipe up the excess. Simple.
None of mine leaked.
Two, that were assembled right at the Kingston Messabout did leak, one
so badly that it actually caught a fish! No caulk was used on these two.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
For info on the great 2005 Kingston Messabout and lots of TIMS photos.
wrote: "swear by Ace bath-tub caulk,"
All my TIMS units were assembled solely with drywall screws and
whatever caulk was cheapest at HD, can't remember the name. Simple 2 by
2 inside franes, the goop caulked along in a solid line and screwed
from the outside. Wipe up the excess. Simple.
None of mine leaked.
Two, that were assembled right at the Kingston Messabout did leak, one
so badly that it actually caught a fish! No caulk was used on these two.
Bruce Hector
http://www.brucesboats.com
For info on the great 2005 Kingston Messabout and lots of TIMS photos.
5200 is very strong and hard when dry, and you can sand it and
paint it. Clyde
hal wrote:
paint it. Clyde
hal wrote:
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> On Apr 1, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> > If you are adding a deck, glue or caulk (or just nails with no caulk)
> > would work, it doesn't really matter much.
>
> Confession time. In addition to keeping water out of screw
> holes and crevices I am trying to hide less than stellar
> carpentry.
>
> hal
>
>
>
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Really hate to keep haroung on the cheap,but i and [my drag-racing friends]
swear by Ace bath-tub caulk, and no, I'm not an Ace dealer!
Comboat51
swear by Ace bath-tub caulk, and no, I'm not an Ace dealer!
Comboat51
----- Original Message -----
From: "hal" <hl700@...>
To: <Bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: [bolger] Caulking stuff
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for a Lowes/Home Depot available
> water/sun proof caulking material?
>
> hal
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
To answer the original question...
I have seen 3M-5200 at Home Depot if you absolutely, positively,
never ever wish to separate the deck from the rest of the boat. Next
to the 3M-5200 was something called Marine GOOP. No clue what the
stuff is, but it was cheaper than the 3M product. A good grade of
exterior house caulk and paint ought to do the trick. Unless you have
an abundance of chewing gum.
Wayne
In the Swamp.
> > Confession time. In addition to keeping water out of screwThere you go.
> > holes and crevices I am trying to hide less than stellar
> > carpentry.
> >
> > hal
>
> Don't worry about it too much.
> That is the purpose of Teal.
> It is a great amateur backyard boat, very forgiving.
> Fill in the holes with whatever you got,
> my preference is thickened epoxy,
> but chewing gum would work too.
To answer the original question...
I have seen 3M-5200 at Home Depot if you absolutely, positively,
never ever wish to separate the deck from the rest of the boat. Next
to the 3M-5200 was something called Marine GOOP. No clue what the
stuff is, but it was cheaper than the 3M product. A good grade of
exterior house caulk and paint ought to do the trick. Unless you have
an abundance of chewing gum.
Wayne
In the Swamp.
> Confession time. In addition to keeping water out of screwDon't worry about it too much.
> holes and crevices I am trying to hide less than stellar
> carpentry.
>
> hal
That is the purpose of Teal.
It is a great amateur backyard boat, very forgiving.
Fill in the holes with whatever you got,
my preference is thickened epoxy,
but chewing gum would work too.
On Apr 1, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
holes and crevices I am trying to hide less than stellar
carpentry.
hal
> If you are adding a deck, glue or caulk (or just nails with no caulk)Confession time. In addition to keeping water out of screw
> would work, it doesn't really matter much.
holes and crevices I am trying to hide less than stellar
carpentry.
hal
> I need to caulk the joint between the deck and sides of my teal.I recall that a 'per plans' Teal doesn't have a deck,
> hal
but rather it has the option of floation blocks with
wood slats glued on top for decoration.
If you mean "the joint between the bottom and sides",
it is probably best to use some good glue, I prefer epoxy,
many other glues would also work.
If you are adding a deck, glue or caulk (or just nails with no caulk)
would work, it doesn't really matter much.
On Apr 1, 2005, at 9:05 AM, John Bell wrote:
and sides of my teal.
hal
>Sorry about that. I need to caulk the joint between the deck
> What are you planning to caulk?
and sides of my teal.
hal
What are you planning to caulk?
----- Original Message -----
From: "hal" <hl700@...>
To: <Bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: [bolger] Caulking stuff
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for a Lowes/Home Depot available
> water/sun proof caulking material?
>
> hal
>
Does anyone have a suggestion for a Lowes/Home Depot available
water/sun proof caulking material?
hal
water/sun proof caulking material?
hal