Re: [bolger] Re: Capsize - Oil on the waters
John,
You don't have to use petroleum oil, light vegetable or even fish oils
will work, too. Putting oil in a cloth bag and dragging it behind a
sailboat running before the seas is an old trick, but it still works.
Ford Walton
John Cupp wrote:
You don't have to use petroleum oil, light vegetable or even fish oils
will work, too. Putting oil in a cloth bag and dragging it behind a
sailboat running before the seas is an old trick, but it still works.
Ford Walton
John Cupp wrote:
>
> I have sailed that area around the Golden Gate and commercial fished
> from San Francisco for most of the years I was growing up. Before
> environmentalism ( notice any type of PC behavior has Mental added
> in) I was in the Sea Scouts at the Palo Alto Yacht Harbor down the
> bay. We were shown how to beach a boat in relative safety in heavy
> breaking surf. All you needed to do was carry some quart bottles of
> 5 weight oil. While you were coming in, in an emergency you would
> throw an open can ahead and behind you. Now they use bottles but
> this was done in the 1960's It flattens out all the breaking waves
> and you get none of the bubbling churning surf, reducing the wave
> height in the process.
>
> It is apparent that the people on that boat were asleep at the helm
> or doing things unmentionable on this forum or they would have seen
> their desperate situation. Maybe they were just trying to get close
> enough to take pictures with a camera without the use of a telephoto
> lens. I think they were crazy in that area.. Out a little further
> and to the north of that area is a place called the potato patch
> shoals and they are the most dangerous waters next to the Columbia
> Bar on the West coast of the US. Not to mention that every year
> there are Great White Shark attacks at the very beach those pictures
> were taken. Even inside the Gate there are shark attacks often. It
> is an amazing set of pictures showing what not to do. In a
> situation where you need to get on shore you come straight in and
> not at any angle to the beach. If you have a keel boat you try to
> ride the wave height in until you finally hit bottom but using an
> anchor for the boat and riding in on a rubber boat would be ten
> times better than what they did. Hind sight is always twenty,
> twenty but risking your life calls for oil.
>
> I cannot in this day an age see using oil to go through a surf
> washed beach without being attacked by the surfers themselves who
> would be mad as hell you ruined their surfing. But remember my
> advice it really can save your life and make beaching a calm event
> even when big waves are causing lots of turbulence in the water. At
> least four cans of oil might be needed and that should give you a
> window of about fifteen minutes to get on shore. You can use as
> high as twenty weight but that tends to pool up and not spread
> across the water surface as well. Remember I learned this trick in
> the Sea Scouts and I don't want to kill birds, otters or clams
> just
> save a few lives. So if you are faced with running an inlet with
> huge breaking waves and your life is in the balance, try it! I have
> seen it work very well.
>
> John Cupp
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
> <John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> > What a sad series of pictures. Happily no loss of life.
> >
> > The boat appears to be about 25 feet long with a fin keel. It was
> overtaken by a breaking wave which appears to be about 15 feet
> high. The result is an illustration of a wave induced broach--the
> boat pitches forward; bow digs in; wave action lifts the stern and
> the boat capsizes. Note that around picture 7 and 8 that the hull
> has accelerated and the sails are aback.
> >
> > The hull self righted and appears to be floating on an even keel,
> broadside to the waves. It is rolled again and, again it rights
> itself, though subsequent pictures show it is down by the stern.
> The cockpit is completely flooded and I would guess that the open
> companionway allowed the cabin to flood as well. (perhaps the
> rudder was torn off during the second capsize, opening up the back
> of the hull?)
> >
> > As Bolger has written, no boat is immune to capsize; if you doubt
> it, put a model boat in the surf at the beach or watch The Perfect
> Storm. A boat can be designed to recover from a 180 degree capsize
> (as this one did) and to be a corked bottle with a lot of bouyancy
> (assuming the "corked bottle" doesn't break).
> >
> > Running with a large breaking wave is an invitation to disaster.
> I would expect a Micro or a Micro Navigator would broach and capsize
> under a 15 foot breaking wave. Assuming it held together and
> assuming the hatches were closed and secured, I would expect it to
> remain afloat, though it would almost certainly be dismasted.
> >
> > Stay away from breaking waves!
> >
> > John T
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bruce Hallman
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Capsize
> >
> >
> >http://www.sfsurvey.com/photos/sail/index.htm
> >
> > Seeing these photos makes me contemplate
> > just how my Micro Navigator would have reacted
> > in this surf. I notice how the sinking was caused
> > by water pouring into the cockpit and then the cabin,
> > and the Micro Navigator doesn't have a cockpit.
> >
> > It also makes me more concious of sailing with
> > the cabin hatch closed versus open.
> >
> > I also suspect that the force of the wave would
> > have broken off the Micro Navigator masts.
> >
> > How would have the full length fin keel have changed
> > the tendency of the hull to slew sideways under
> > the force of the wave?
> >
> > Which Bolger boats would have survived a
> > similar experience, and how?
> >
> >
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