Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
Hi Chuck,
I think they are right - last time I worked for pay, Delta was still
installing turbofan engines and electric/hydraulic motors to run all the
accessories on the airplanes. I think Ole Evinude just propogated an
anomaly into the vernacular when he introduced the outboard "motor".
Don Hodges
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I think they are right - last time I worked for pay, Delta was still
installing turbofan engines and electric/hydraulic motors to run all the
accessories on the airplanes. I think Ole Evinude just propogated an
anomaly into the vernacular when he introduced the outboard "motor".
Don Hodges
dhodges@...
http://www.ecoastlife.com
Your Cyber-Vacation - Loafing on the Emerald Coast
Small Boats, Building, Fishing, Paddling, Rowing, Sailing
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Leinweber <duckworks@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> This seems strange, because my dad made the very same distinction about
> engines and motors as Peter's, and Michael's. Do you suppose it was
> something in the standard science curriculum of public schools of the
time?
> FWIW my dad was born in 1922.
>
> Chuck Leinweber
> Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>
>
> >
> >
> > >From: "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
> > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:46:05 -0000
> > >
> >
> >
> > >p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine was
> > >an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never quite
> > >sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
> > >from heat.
> >
> > My dad made the same distinction and you are right IC and steam engines
> > (Heat), AC, DC and hydraulic motors (no heat). As my Dear OLD Dad use to
> say
> > "Your car has an engine that drives it and a motor that starts it." :-)
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My father didn't have a military connection, but he was born in 1914.
I think it's the generation. To add to the list, he was always
uncomfortable with calling a dry cell a 'battery.' A battery is has
multiple cells.
My grandfather (father's father) was an electrical engineer back when
that meant worrying about copper windings on motors and generators.
He always referred to a 'lamp' when the rest of use would say 'light
bulb', as in, 'the lamp burned out.'
Peter
I think it's the generation. To add to the list, he was always
uncomfortable with calling a dry cell a 'battery.' A battery is has
multiple cells.
My grandfather (father's father) was an electrical engineer back when
that meant worrying about copper windings on motors and generators.
He always referred to a 'lamp' when the rest of use would say 'light
bulb', as in, 'the lamp burned out.'
Peter
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Michael Surface" <msurface@h...> wrote:
> You may have something there. My dad was born in 1918. Here's
another
> distinction my father use to make he always referred to a philps
screw
> driver as a cros point and a cresent wrench was an ajustable jaw
wrench.
> Was either of your fathers in the military (mine was in the air
force) this
> may be another area where they picked up these terms.
>
I think we are zeroing in on it. My dad was a "farm boy" from indiana that
jointed the Army Air Corps in 1939, and serviced during WWII. It just must
be something that was common to that generation.
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jointed the Army Air Corps in 1939, and serviced during WWII. It just must
be something that was common to that generation.
>From: "Chuck Leinweber" <duckworks@...>________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:21:47 -0500
>
>Michael:
>
>Bingo! My dad was in what was then the Army Air Corps. He was a flight
>engineer instructor. Pretty heady stuff for a boy right off the farm.
>
>Chuck Leinweber
>Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>
>
> > You may have something there. My dad was born in 1918. Here's another
> > distinction my father use to make he always referred to a philps screw
> > driver as a cros point and a cresent wrench was an ajustable jaw
>wrench.
> > Was either of your fathers in the military (mine was in the air force)
>this
> > may be another area where they picked up these terms.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Chuck Leinweber" <duckworks@...>
> > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:14:48 -0500
> > >
> > >This seems strange, because my dad made the very same distinction about
> > >engines and motors as Peter's, and Michael's. Do you suppose it was
> > >something in the standard science curriculum of public schools of the
>time?
> > >FWIW my dad was born in 1922.
> > >
> > >Chuck Leinweber
> > >Duckworks Magazine
> > >http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
> > >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:18 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
> > > > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:46:05 -0000
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine
>was
> > > > >an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never
>quite
> > > > >sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
> > > > >from heat.
> > > >
> > > > My dad made the same distinction and you are right IC and steam
>engines
> > > > (Heat), AC, DC and hydraulic motors (no heat). As my Dear OLD Dad
>use
>to
> > >say
> > > > "Your car has an engine that drives it and a motor that starts it."
>:-)
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I think we are zeroing in on it. My dad was a "farm boy" from indiana that
jointed the Army Air Core in 1939, and serviced during WWII. It just must
be something that was common to that generation.
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jointed the Army Air Core in 1939, and serviced during WWII. It just must
be something that was common to that generation.
>From: "Chuck Leinweber" <duckworks@...>________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:21:47 -0500
>
>Michael:
>
>Bingo! My dad was in what was then the Army Air Corps. He was a flight
>engineer instructor. Pretty heady stuff for a boy right off the farm.
>
>Chuck Leinweber
>Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>
>
> > You may have something there. My dad was born in 1918. Here's another
> > distinction my father use to make he always referred to a philps screw
> > driver as a cros point and a cresent wrench was an ajustable jaw
>wrench.
> > Was either of your fathers in the military (mine was in the air force)
>this
> > may be another area where they picked up these terms.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Chuck Leinweber" <duckworks@...>
> > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:14:48 -0500
> > >
> > >This seems strange, because my dad made the very same distinction about
> > >engines and motors as Peter's, and Michael's. Do you suppose it was
> > >something in the standard science curriculum of public schools of the
>time?
> > >FWIW my dad was born in 1922.
> > >
> > >Chuck Leinweber
> > >Duckworks Magazine
> > >http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
> > >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:18 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
> > > > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:46:05 -0000
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine
>was
> > > > >an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never
>quite
> > > > >sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
> > > > >from heat.
> > > >
> > > > My dad made the same distinction and you are right IC and steam
>engines
> > > > (Heat), AC, DC and hydraulic motors (no heat). As my Dear OLD Dad
>use
>to
> > >say
> > > > "Your car has an engine that drives it and a motor that starts it."
>:-)
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Michael:
Bingo! My dad was in what was then the Army Air Corps. He was a flight
engineer instructor. Pretty heady stuff for a boy right off the farm.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
Bingo! My dad was in what was then the Army Air Corps. He was a flight
engineer instructor. Pretty heady stuff for a boy right off the farm.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> You may have something there. My dad was born in 1918. Here's another
> distinction my father use to make he always referred to a philps screw
> driver as a cros point and a cresent wrench was an ajustable jaw wrench.
> Was either of your fathers in the military (mine was in the air force)
this
> may be another area where they picked up these terms.
>
>
> >From: "Chuck Leinweber" <duckworks@...>
> >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:14:48 -0500
> >
> >This seems strange, because my dad made the very same distinction about
> >engines and motors as Peter's, and Michael's. Do you suppose it was
> >something in the standard science curriculum of public schools of the
time?
> >FWIW my dad was born in 1922.
> >
> >Chuck Leinweber
> >Duckworks Magazine
> >http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
> >To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
> > > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:46:05 -0000
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine was
> > > >an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never quite
> > > >sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
> > > >from heat.
> > >
> > > My dad made the same distinction and you are right IC and steam
engines
> > > (Heat), AC, DC and hydraulic motors (no heat). As my Dear OLD Dad use
to
> >say
> > > "Your car has an engine that drives it and a motor that starts it."
:-)
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> > > Get Your Private, Free Email athttp://www.hotmail.com
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You may have something there. My dad was born in 1918. Here's another
distinction my father use to make he always referred to a philps screw
driver as a cros point and a cresent wrench was an ajustable jaw wrench.
Was either of your fathers in the military (mine was in the air force) this
may be another area where they picked up these terms.
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail athttp://www.hotmail.com
distinction my father use to make he always referred to a philps screw
driver as a cros point and a cresent wrench was an ajustable jaw wrench.
Was either of your fathers in the military (mine was in the air force) this
may be another area where they picked up these terms.
>From: "Chuck Leinweber" <duckworks@...>________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:14:48 -0500
>
>This seems strange, because my dad made the very same distinction about
>engines and motors as Peter's, and Michael's. Do you suppose it was
>something in the standard science curriculum of public schools of the time?
>FWIW my dad was born in 1922.
>
>Chuck Leinweber
>Duckworks Magazine
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>
>
> >
> >
> > >From: "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
> > >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >To:bolger@egroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:46:05 -0000
> > >
> >
> >
> > >p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine was
> > >an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never quite
> > >sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
> > >from heat.
> >
> > My dad made the same distinction and you are right IC and steam engines
> > (Heat), AC, DC and hydraulic motors (no heat). As my Dear OLD Dad use to
>say
> > "Your car has an engine that drives it and a motor that starts it." :-)
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email athttp://www.hotmail.com
> >
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> >
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This seems strange, because my dad made the very same distinction about
engines and motors as Peter's, and Michael's. Do you suppose it was
something in the standard science curriculum of public schools of the time?
FWIW my dad was born in 1922.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
engines and motors as Peter's, and Michael's. Do you suppose it was
something in the standard science curriculum of public schools of the time?
FWIW my dad was born in 1922.
Chuck Leinweber
Duckworks Magazine
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Surface <msurface@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>
>
> >From: "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>
> >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> >To:bolger@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
> >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:46:05 -0000
> >
>
>
> >p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine was
> >an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never quite
> >sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
> >from heat.
>
> My dad made the same distinction and you are right IC and steam engines
> (Heat), AC, DC and hydraulic motors (no heat). As my Dear OLD Dad use to
say
> "Your car has an engine that drives it and a motor that starts it." :-)
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email athttp://www.hotmail.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>From: "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@...>My dad made the same distinction and you are right IC and steam engines
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: row row row your boat
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:46:05 -0000
>
>p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine was
>an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never quite
>sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
>from heat.
(Heat), AC, DC and hydraulic motors (no heat). As my Dear OLD Dad use to say
"Your car has an engine that drives it and a motor that starts it." :-)
______________________________________________________
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> p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine wasHi Peter, Are we related? It sure sounds like we had the same father.
> an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never quite
> sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
> from heat. Insisting on this fine distinction in usage is not going
> to help you be 'just one of the guys' down at the local garage. :-)
>
If I was corrected once on this point, I must have been corrected a
thousand times. Up to and including, our Scott- Atwater was an outboard
engine, NOT a outboard motor! ;-)
Stan, Micro Tugger, Snow Goose. member MOA.
>There are very few "great lakes" inI thought you guys in England always had so much wind there was no
>England!!
point in having a motor.
Peter
p.s. My father was scrupulous that an internal combustion machine was
an 'engine.' If it was electric, it was a 'motor.' I was never quite
sure of the distinction, but I think an 'engine' derives its power
from heat. Insisting on this fine distinction in usage is not going
to help you be 'just one of the guys' down at the local garage. :-)
What engine size will I need for my Micro?? Is there any advantage to Saildrive
type?? With such heavy displacement for length I was thinking that it would not
make a lot of difference.
I am particularly interested in responses from people who regularly use thier
Micro in Coastal/Tidal environment... There are very few "great lakes" in
England!!
type?? With such heavy displacement for length I was thinking that it would not
make a lot of difference.
I am particularly interested in responses from people who regularly use thier
Micro in Coastal/Tidal environment... There are very few "great lakes" in
England!!