Re: [bolger] Re: Info on the folding schooner
> > most every amateur builder makes the mistake of tryingPerhaps I am off base, but my thinking was this... if you use
> > to build a gold plated monument,
> Everything Bruce said(and he should know!) 'cept this last part.
your first boat as a [quick] learning experience, the second
boat will be a much better *and* more efficient 'gold plater'
should that be what you want.
It is hard to make a real glossy boat until after you learn some
of the basic skills.
My first boat at least, built 35 years ago, was a true failure.
[Though I *still* had fun building it...]
> First off, what's the best place to get a set of plans for theMy friend Leader got his plans from Payson. They are very inexpensive
> schooner? Do the books I've seen on the web have an adequate set in
> them? Any advice for the compete amateur?
compared to the cost of the other materials.
Leander found the most annoying part of the build to be finding a
metalworking shop that would build the hinges for him at less than
goldplater prices. I think they were finally built by a downeast
Yankee somewhere in Maine. The absolute trickiest part was drilling
all the holes at odd angles in the top of the foremast. He used some
epoxy and some PL Premium.
Leander did not confront the problem of the chine latches until the
hulls were built. By that time, the interior inboard of the chines was
pretty much inaccessible due to the daggerboard cases. There was some
concern about the number of screwholes necessary in a short section of
chine along there, and it was not possible to use bolts.
Peter
p.s. The boat is for sale. Message me for more info if interested.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
like to think my "needs" are defined by my "wants" and if what I
really wants is a pretty boat,then I needs to take the time to do it
right with the best I can afford.Besides,does it really take that
much longer to cut through a piece of mahogany instead of a .59¢
piece of garbage-spruce-reject-propeller-stock 2X4? Or how about
cutting through a sheet of Swissluan or Swissokume....faster then
some nice marine fir? If you're in some sort of unholy rush to be
boating or have 30 days to live,perhaps renting a boat is most
expedient.Otherwise,why bother to build a "new" boat that will look
like a salvaged wreck come launch day?
Of course, if THAT is what you really wants then you really needs to
git buildin' tout suite with whatever you have handy laying about in
the cellar or lane way....and buy lots of flat paint :-)
Good luck!
Peter Lenihan....crazy fool........
> [Depending on your personality of course], but I believe thatEverything Bruce said(and he should know!) 'cept this last part. I
> most every amateur builder makes the mistake of trying
> to build a gold plated monument, as opposed to a plain and
> simple boat. In the process taking three times as long
> and three times as much money as they really need.
like to think my "needs" are defined by my "wants" and if what I
really wants is a pretty boat,then I needs to take the time to do it
right with the best I can afford.Besides,does it really take that
much longer to cut through a piece of mahogany instead of a .59¢
piece of garbage-spruce-reject-propeller-stock 2X4? Or how about
cutting through a sheet of Swissluan or Swissokume....faster then
some nice marine fir? If you're in some sort of unholy rush to be
boating or have 30 days to live,perhaps renting a boat is most
expedient.Otherwise,why bother to build a "new" boat that will look
like a salvaged wreck come launch day?
Of course, if THAT is what you really wants then you really needs to
git buildin' tout suite with whatever you have handy laying about in
the cellar or lane way....and buy lots of flat paint :-)
Good luck!
Peter Lenihan....crazy fool........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jack" <Sagramaine@h...> wrote:
with any silly ideas you have so he can tell you not to. this boat is
a big job but doable. i built mine on my own . it does need a lot of
crew and a really nice place to sail.
cheers paul day
>student
> Hello everybody. I am looking for any information I can find on
> constructing one of Bolger's folding schooners. I'm a college
> with no real experience in boat building outside of a restoration jobGet your plans from bolger. they are good . you can then fax him
> on a wooden x boat, so absolutely any help would be appreciated.
>
> First off, what's the best place to get a set of plans for the
> schooner? Do the books I've seen on the web have an adequate set in
> them? Any advice for the compete amateur?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Jack C. Pellinen
with any silly ideas you have so he can tell you not to. this boat is
a big job but doable. i built mine on my own . it does need a lot of
crew and a really nice place to sail.
cheers paul day
In a message dated 4/26/2005 10:07:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Sagramaine@...writes:
First off, what's the best place to get a set of plans for the
schooner? Do the books I've seen on the web have an adequate set in
them? Any advice for the compete amateur?
Not an expert, but starting on my third boat (Pile of ply in the driveway)
Bolger sells plans directly as does Payson of Instant boat fame. Dynamite
Payson's book on Instant boats has reduced plans for the folding schooner, but
reduced in size to be almost illegible. But I would recommend buying that book
for the information contained on wood, tools, techniques etc. Then buy the
plans set from either Bolger or Payson. Unless you are familiar with boat plans
definitely read up on how navel architects do plans and drawings. I have been
a mechanical engineer since 1952 and boat plans have me scratching my head
and making some fire place fuel out of ply every once in a while. Like all
professions there are some conventions that "everybody" knows except us amateur
builders.
John Meacham
High desert of California
Bolger Cartopper.
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Sagramaine@...writes:
First off, what's the best place to get a set of plans for the
schooner? Do the books I've seen on the web have an adequate set in
them? Any advice for the compete amateur?
Not an expert, but starting on my third boat (Pile of ply in the driveway)
Bolger sells plans directly as does Payson of Instant boat fame. Dynamite
Payson's book on Instant boats has reduced plans for the folding schooner, but
reduced in size to be almost illegible. But I would recommend buying that book
for the information contained on wood, tools, techniques etc. Then buy the
plans set from either Bolger or Payson. Unless you are familiar with boat plans
definitely read up on how navel architects do plans and drawings. I have been
a mechanical engineer since 1952 and boat plans have me scratching my head
and making some fire place fuel out of ply every once in a while. Like all
professions there are some conventions that "everybody" knows except us amateur
builders.
John Meacham
High desert of California
Bolger Cartopper.
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> constructing one of Bolger's folding schooners....
>what's the best place to get a set of plansH.H. 'Dynamite' Payson sells the plans, probably cheaper than Phil Bolger.
Dynamite Payson
http://www.instantboats.com/
is a good place to buy the plans, because he has a reputation of
patiently answering questions about the 'building' of the boat.
Plans can also be bought directly from Phil Bolger, and this might be
the 'best place' to buy the plans for the reason that Phil Bolger is most
likely to have the most up-to-date version of the plans. If you buy the
plans directly from Mr. Bolger, you have the right to ask questions
about the 'design' of the boat. [Not so much about the 'building' of
the boat.] Plans typically cost a bit more when purchased from Phil
Bolger versus from Dynamite Payson. Though, plans purchased from
either person work out to a negligible fraction of the costs will incur
building the boat.
[For instance, buying the material to make seat cushions for my boat
cost three times the cost of the plans.]
Both the Bolger book _Folding Schooner_ and the Payson book
_Instant Boats_ include reduced size plans for Folding Schooner.
[you need a magnifying glass]
I would bet that neither of these books include all the latest
revisions to the design. Though, both of these books are
an essential read for anybody thinking of building a Folding
Schooner, in my opinion.
> Any advice for the compete amateur?[Depending on your personality of course], but I believe that
most every amateur builder makes the mistake of trying
to build a gold plated monument, as opposed to a plain and
simple boat. In the process taking three times as long
and three times as much money as they really need.
Hello everybody. I am looking for any information I can find on
constructing one of Bolger's folding schooners. I'm a college student
with no real experience in boat building outside of a restoration job
on a wooden x boat, so absolutely any help would be appreciated.
First off, what's the best place to get a set of plans for the
schooner? Do the books I've seen on the web have an adequate set in
them? Any advice for the compete amateur?
Thanks a lot,
Jack C. Pellinen
constructing one of Bolger's folding schooners. I'm a college student
with no real experience in boat building outside of a restoration job
on a wooden x boat, so absolutely any help would be appreciated.
First off, what's the best place to get a set of plans for the
schooner? Do the books I've seen on the web have an adequate set in
them? Any advice for the compete amateur?
Thanks a lot,
Jack C. Pellinen