Cruising Ground Scenery.
Hey Peter seeing how I fished up there a number of
years and when laying on the hook and every thing shut
down it was great to hear the wolves howl and every
now and then see them on the beach playing. Also see
more Eagles in 10 min. then most people see in a life
time, and to hear then call to others. Both wolf
howles and Eagle calls will pull at me from deep
inside. More now then ever.
Dad could call a wolf to the waters edge, they would
howl at each other. One time I was going to shoot one
for the pelt and Dad asked me why. I told him I wanted
the pelt to hang on the wall. He gave me some wise
words. "Why kill him? He's just trying to make a
living just like us." Mind you this is a man that
bounty hunted them 20 years earlyer. He's right it was
far more enjoyable to watch them on the beach.
A week or so later we had a whole pack on the beach
they were there for over an hour and only left when a
2nd boat came into the bay.
Blessings all Krissie
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years and when laying on the hook and every thing shut
down it was great to hear the wolves howl and every
now and then see them on the beach playing. Also see
more Eagles in 10 min. then most people see in a life
time, and to hear then call to others. Both wolf
howles and Eagle calls will pull at me from deep
inside. More now then ever.
Dad could call a wolf to the waters edge, they would
howl at each other. One time I was going to shoot one
for the pelt and Dad asked me why. I told him I wanted
the pelt to hang on the wall. He gave me some wise
words. "Why kill him? He's just trying to make a
living just like us." Mind you this is a man that
bounty hunted them 20 years earlyer. He's right it was
far more enjoyable to watch them on the beach.
A week or so later we had a whole pack on the beach
they were there for over an hour and only left when a
2nd boat came into the bay.
Blessings all Krissie
> Peter Lenihan,still amazed by the beauty of the____________________________________________________________________________________
> GREAT SEA's cruising
> ground scenery which sort of makes my cruising
> grounds look like no
> more then an over-flowing cess-pool of industrial
> effluent.....belch!....barf!.....retch! and stench!
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
I'll echo Bruce with a LOOKS GREAT! The re-painting of the water-
line and/or boot-top is but a stop-gap measure for sure but may
inspire would be customers since she will "look right".
As an aside, Jean and Gaby of AS-39 L'Anemone(ex-Le Cabotin fame)
experienced a similar nose down attitude on their launch day.At first
it was thought that once all the tanks were filled and interior stuff
stored in its' proper place the "problem" would be solved.
Not so lucky......the boat,though sitting much better,remained
slightly nose down.Present speculation revolves around either the
150' of 7/16" chain and/or the mast being a wee bit over-built
(heavy).The mast issue may be Jeans' fault as he was and remains
particularly concerned that Gaby(90lbs soaking wet) be fully capable
of raising or lowering the mast on her own.Added to this the need to
add considerable block and tackle gear at the mast head(again to
allow a wee whisp the power to really haul the gaff yard and sail
up!) meant that Jean had to add yet more lead counter weight to the
base of the mast.
The location of the chain locker,right in the eyes of the boat,
and its' very considerable weight,looks like a Bolger error.PCB&Fs
were not too perturbed by this slight detail and felt confident an
easy solution would prevail to remedy the"problem"........bring chain
further aft :-)
Of coarse, I look forward,with great excitement,to my own launch
date and can only begin to wonder what treats await:-)
Were I not such a brazen heathen,I might even offer up prays to
the Lord above......however,as it is, I may once again lean on my old
buddy Lucy(Lucifer to the rest of yas) to give me whatever hope in
Hell I may have remaining,that Windermere will come out right spot on
her lines.You know, just likes da plans shows :-D
Once again, thanks for the info and beautiful pictures Fritz
and,whatever you do, do not hesitate to post some glorious interior
shots too for your world-wide fan club !
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,still amazed by the beauty of the GREAT SEA's cruising
ground scenery which sort of makes my cruising grounds look like no
more then an over-flowing cess-pool of industrial
effluent.....belch!....barf!.....retch! and stench!
>Fritz,
> Looks great!. All that hull needs is a boot strip line painted
> parallel to the water.
I'll echo Bruce with a LOOKS GREAT! The re-painting of the water-
line and/or boot-top is but a stop-gap measure for sure but may
inspire would be customers since she will "look right".
As an aside, Jean and Gaby of AS-39 L'Anemone(ex-Le Cabotin fame)
experienced a similar nose down attitude on their launch day.At first
it was thought that once all the tanks were filled and interior stuff
stored in its' proper place the "problem" would be solved.
Not so lucky......the boat,though sitting much better,remained
slightly nose down.Present speculation revolves around either the
150' of 7/16" chain and/or the mast being a wee bit over-built
(heavy).The mast issue may be Jeans' fault as he was and remains
particularly concerned that Gaby(90lbs soaking wet) be fully capable
of raising or lowering the mast on her own.Added to this the need to
add considerable block and tackle gear at the mast head(again to
allow a wee whisp the power to really haul the gaff yard and sail
up!) meant that Jean had to add yet more lead counter weight to the
base of the mast.
The location of the chain locker,right in the eyes of the boat,
and its' very considerable weight,looks like a Bolger error.PCB&Fs
were not too perturbed by this slight detail and felt confident an
easy solution would prevail to remedy the"problem"........bring chain
further aft :-)
Of coarse, I look forward,with great excitement,to my own launch
date and can only begin to wonder what treats await:-)
Were I not such a brazen heathen,I might even offer up prays to
the Lord above......however,as it is, I may once again lean on my old
buddy Lucy(Lucifer to the rest of yas) to give me whatever hope in
Hell I may have remaining,that Windermere will come out right spot on
her lines.You know, just likes da plans shows :-D
Once again, thanks for the info and beautiful pictures Fritz
and,whatever you do, do not hesitate to post some glorious interior
shots too for your world-wide fan club !
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,still amazed by the beauty of the GREAT SEA's cruising
ground scenery which sort of makes my cruising grounds look like no
more then an over-flowing cess-pool of industrial
effluent.....belch!....barf!.....retch! and stench!
Looks great!. All that hull needs is a boot strip line painted
parallel to the water.
parallel to the water.
I have posted some photos to Bolger 7 in the photos section.
fritz
fritz
Peter, thanks for your encouraging words. I'll try and answer your
questions.
I have done 22 windows so far on Double Eagle. All are 1/2"
polycarbonate. I used Sikaflex 295UV sealant, Sikaflex 226 cleaner
and Sikaflex 209m primer. This is a complete system to bed
Polycarbonate (Lexan) windows. The windows are mounted on the outside
of the boat, overlapping about 1.5". There are 1/4" bolts spaced
about 8" to 10" around the perimeter. The holes are 3/8" in the
polycarbonate to allow for movement. The primer is painted on the
boat surface and the polycarbonate and is black which creates a black
frame around the window. A 1/4" X 1/4" neoprene foam strip is set
around the perimeter of the opening, this prevents the sealant from
intruding into the interior. 3/16" nylon spacer washers are set
around every bolt to maintain the reccommended 3/16" space for
sealant. Sikaflex said I didn't need the bolts but I feel better with
them. However, if these windows leak it will probably be around the
bolt holes. I squirt a little sealant around eack bolt as they are
tightened. I have put the same polycarbonate in a couple doors and in
these I didn't use bolts, we'll see. The cost for the polycarbonate
was around $2500.00 but the price has almost doubled recently. I have
used 6 sheets of 4X8. Also I used a lot of the sealant, many tubes.
used marine grade fir and since I bought so much of it I got a
wholesale price. The fir plywood is great stuff, strong, rot
resistant and the price was right. It is also heavy and hard to
finish. If I was to do it over, (not a chance) I would use a better
grade of ply and just glass below the waterline and on joints,
corners etc. The vast majority of the exterior would just be painted
with a good quality paint. The interior would be clear coated. The
fir ply requires that the entire exterior be glassed and the resin
and glass adds to the weight, cost and labor. Weight savings alone
would be substantial.
b)during the course of construction did you
better way to do something but ended up realzing that Bolger had
thought it out and his way was the best. The things I changed are
relatively small items like galley layout, tankage shapes etc. There
were some major changes that took place along the way that were
suggested by Bolger. One was increasing the overalll beam of the boat
by 4' as I was working on the second hull. This added some
substantial extra reinforcements that were a big hassle but I think
it is a much better boat than it would have been. Another change,
requested on my part, was to do away with the push boat arrangement
in favor of a centrally mounted outboard. More than anything else the
auxiliary power arrangement caused me a lot of worry. I am not sure
that the present arrangement is the best and it could change in the
future. Along the way I considered twin diesels, a single diesel
mounted on the centerline with a long catamaran leg, catamaran leg
with a gas engine, diesel generator with twin electric drives, diesel
powerplant with twin hydraulic drives.
and c) as you stare at her
idea of the amount of work involved to see those dreams to fruition.
If we had a good understanding of the work involved far fewer boats
would get built and Phil Bolger would be out of business. So I have
to say that the actual boat is far more than I imagined. Of course it
is not launched yet and that will be a vast change, one that I can
still only dream about now. I am a dreamer and also a world class
procrastinator. I really don't know how I have done it, I am a slow
plodding worker. Pride and I have to say vanity probably are major
factors. This is a very small isolated community of a few hundred
people and you can't do anything without everyone knowing about it
let alone start a project of this size. I have lived here for 28
years and plan to spend the rest of my life here and it wouldn't do
to have an unfinished hulk in my back yard for the rest of my life.
It would be easier to abandon a smaller boat. If I keep working it
will get done.
fritz koschmann
questions.
> You may have posted this before and elsewhere but,what didfigure
> you use for your windows?How are they secured and a ball-park
> for the costs(windows only)?Here is a repost of an earlier post about the windows.
I have done 22 windows so far on Double Eagle. All are 1/2"
polycarbonate. I used Sikaflex 295UV sealant, Sikaflex 226 cleaner
and Sikaflex 209m primer. This is a complete system to bed
Polycarbonate (Lexan) windows. The windows are mounted on the outside
of the boat, overlapping about 1.5". There are 1/4" bolts spaced
about 8" to 10" around the perimeter. The holes are 3/8" in the
polycarbonate to allow for movement. The primer is painted on the
boat surface and the polycarbonate and is black which creates a black
frame around the window. A 1/4" X 1/4" neoprene foam strip is set
around the perimeter of the opening, this prevents the sealant from
intruding into the interior. 3/16" nylon spacer washers are set
around every bolt to maintain the reccommended 3/16" space for
sealant. Sikaflex said I didn't need the bolts but I feel better with
them. However, if these windows leak it will probably be around the
bolt holes. I squirt a little sealant around eack bolt as they are
tightened. I have put the same polycarbonate in a couple doors and in
these I didn't use bolts, we'll see. The cost for the polycarbonate
was around $2500.00 but the price has almost doubled recently. I have
used 6 sheets of 4X8. Also I used a lot of the sealant, many tubes.
> Also,having come this far and being able to now see theThats a big question. One thing that comes to mind is the plywood. I
> light at the end of the tunnel, I would be interested in reading
> your thoughts regarding a)if you had to start all over again,what
> you would do different,
used marine grade fir and since I bought so much of it I got a
wholesale price. The fir plywood is great stuff, strong, rot
resistant and the price was right. It is also heavy and hard to
finish. If I was to do it over, (not a chance) I would use a better
grade of ply and just glass below the waterline and on joints,
corners etc. The vast majority of the exterior would just be painted
with a good quality paint. The interior would be clear coated. The
fir ply requires that the entire exterior be glassed and the resin
and glass adds to the weight, cost and labor. Weight savings alone
would be substantial.
b)during the course of construction did you
> vary much from the plans(if so,and whyI varied very little from the plans. Over and over I imagined a
better way to do something but ended up realzing that Bolger had
thought it out and his way was the best. The things I changed are
relatively small items like galley layout, tankage shapes etc. There
were some major changes that took place along the way that were
suggested by Bolger. One was increasing the overalll beam of the boat
by 4' as I was working on the second hull. This added some
substantial extra reinforcements that were a big hassle but I think
it is a much better boat than it would have been. Another change,
requested on my part, was to do away with the push boat arrangement
in favor of a centrally mounted outboard. More than anything else the
auxiliary power arrangement caused me a lot of worry. I am not sure
that the present arrangement is the best and it could change in the
future. Along the way I considered twin diesels, a single diesel
mounted on the centerline with a long catamaran leg, catamaran leg
with a gas engine, diesel generator with twin electric drives, diesel
powerplant with twin hydraulic drives.
and c) as you stare at her
> from a distance,is she everything you first envisioned upon seeingIt is easy to look at plans and dream. Luckily most of us have no
> the completed plans for the first time? Feel free to not answer if
> my questions appear too useless however,as a solo builder of
> different type of Bolger boat,I am intrigued by the psychology of
> one who must labour through many seasons and cycles and why some
> succeed with large projects,as you clearly have, while others
> sometimes fail with much smaller projects.....somewhat akin to
> simply running out of steam before the end of the track.
idea of the amount of work involved to see those dreams to fruition.
If we had a good understanding of the work involved far fewer boats
would get built and Phil Bolger would be out of business. So I have
to say that the actual boat is far more than I imagined. Of course it
is not launched yet and that will be a vast change, one that I can
still only dream about now. I am a dreamer and also a world class
procrastinator. I really don't know how I have done it, I am a slow
plodding worker. Pride and I have to say vanity probably are major
factors. This is a very small isolated community of a few hundred
people and you can't do anything without everyone knowing about it
let alone start a project of this size. I have lived here for 28
years and plan to spend the rest of my life here and it wouldn't do
to have an unfinished hulk in my back yard for the rest of my life.
It would be easier to abandon a smaller boat. If I keep working it
will get done.
fritz koschmann
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fritzdfk" <gaffcat@h...> wrote:
Absolutely FANTASTIC! What a wonderful treat to finally see
DE whole and from various angles. I can certainly appreciate the ton
of labour that you have put into her so far and recognize the small
ton to go before she is all done.
You may have posted this before and elsewhere but,what did
you use for your windows?How are they secured and a ball-park figure
for the costs(windows only)?
Also,having come this far and being able to now see the
light at the end of the tunnel, I would be interested in reading
your thoughts regarding a)if you had to start all over again,what
you would do different,b)during the course of construction did you
vary much from the plans(if so,and why) and c) as you stare at her
from a distance,is she everything you first envisioned upon seeing
the completed plans for the first time? Feel free to not answer if
my questions appear too useless however,as a solo builder of
different type of Bolger boat,I am intrigued by the psychology of
one who must labour through many seasons and cycles and why some
succeed with large projects,as you clearly have, while others
sometimes fail with much smaller projects.....somewhat akin to
simply running out of steam before the end of the track.
I look forward to seeing some glorious launch day photos
when that grand time comes and will be curious to read how you
transition from the boatbuilding-on-my-mind-all-the-time mode to the
I-have-a-wonderful-boat-lets-see-how-many-ways-I-can-enjoy-it mode.
Continued success and thanks for the photos!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,glad to be in a drier climate then Fritz :-)
>Fritz,
> I have uploaded some new photos of Double Eagle to Bolger 5 group.
>
>http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/lst
Absolutely FANTASTIC! What a wonderful treat to finally see
DE whole and from various angles. I can certainly appreciate the ton
of labour that you have put into her so far and recognize the small
ton to go before she is all done.
You may have posted this before and elsewhere but,what did
you use for your windows?How are they secured and a ball-park figure
for the costs(windows only)?
Also,having come this far and being able to now see the
light at the end of the tunnel, I would be interested in reading
your thoughts regarding a)if you had to start all over again,what
you would do different,b)during the course of construction did you
vary much from the plans(if so,and why) and c) as you stare at her
from a distance,is she everything you first envisioned upon seeing
the completed plans for the first time? Feel free to not answer if
my questions appear too useless however,as a solo builder of
different type of Bolger boat,I am intrigued by the psychology of
one who must labour through many seasons and cycles and why some
succeed with large projects,as you clearly have, while others
sometimes fail with much smaller projects.....somewhat akin to
simply running out of steam before the end of the track.
I look forward to seeing some glorious launch day photos
when that grand time comes and will be curious to read how you
transition from the boatbuilding-on-my-mind-all-the-time mode to the
I-have-a-wonderful-boat-lets-see-how-many-ways-I-can-enjoy-it mode.
Continued success and thanks for the photos!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,glad to be in a drier climate then Fritz :-)
Go Fritz!!
Make sure to give enough warning on the launch date so we can get ferry
tickets over
HJ
.fritzdfk wrote:
Make sure to give enough warning on the launch date so we can get ferry
tickets over
HJ
.fritzdfk wrote:
>I have uploaded some new photos of Double Eagle to Bolger 5 group.
>
>http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/lst
>
>It is not painted yet but I have removed the shelter as it had
>collapsed somewhat and it was difficult to work around the boat. I hope
>to get it painted in the next few weeks, May being the statistically
>driest month here. As you can see one hull has some primer on it, I
>changed my mind about priming after the first hull was done. I kept
>having to sand off primer when attaching more parts. I plan to use
>acrylic latex primer and topcoat for the topsides though it has been a
>hard decision. At any rate it is very exciting to be able to stand back
>and look at the boat now that the shelter is gone. There are many
>cosmetic items to take care of before painting but not any structural
>items left.
>
>fritz koschmann
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I am truly awed. An awesome ship, ie: not a boat. Ships carry boats, as
this will. Boats don't carry ships.
I have a very small idea of the amount of work you have put into this
beautiful rendition of Phil's two dimension plans, turning it into a
graceful mountain of wood.
Here! Here!
Please post passage package price info, I want a ride!
Bruce Hector
this will. Boats don't carry ships.
I have a very small idea of the amount of work you have put into this
beautiful rendition of Phil's two dimension plans, turning it into a
graceful mountain of wood.
Here! Here!
Please post passage package price info, I want a ride!
Bruce Hector
Fritz,
You're doing an excellent job on a great boat. I'm excited to see her
coming to completion. She's going to be much prettier than the
cartoon led me to believe.
TomP
You're doing an excellent job on a great boat. I'm excited to see her
coming to completion. She's going to be much prettier than the
cartoon led me to believe.
TomP
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fritzdfk" <gaffcat@h...> wrote:
>
> I have uploaded some new photos of Double Eagle to Bolger 5 group.
>
>http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/lst
>
> It is not painted yet but I have removed the shelter as it had
> collapsed somewhat and it was difficult to work around the boat. I hope
> to get it painted in the next few weeks, May being the statistically
> driest month here. As you can see one hull has some primer on it, I
> changed my mind about priming after the first hull was done. I kept
> having to sand off primer when attaching more parts. I plan to use
> acrylic latex primer and topcoat for the topsides though it has been a
> hard decision. At any rate it is very exciting to be able to stand back
> and look at the boat now that the shelter is gone. There are many
> cosmetic items to take care of before painting but not any structural
> items left.
>
> fritz koschmann
> I have uploaded some new photos of Double Eagle to Bolger 5 group.Wow, what an incredible boat!
I have uploaded some new photos of Double Eagle to Bolger 5 group.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/lst
It is not painted yet but I have removed the shelter as it had
collapsed somewhat and it was difficult to work around the boat. I hope
to get it painted in the next few weeks, May being the statistically
driest month here. As you can see one hull has some primer on it, I
changed my mind about priming after the first hull was done. I kept
having to sand off primer when attaching more parts. I plan to use
acrylic latex primer and topcoat for the topsides though it has been a
hard decision. At any rate it is very exciting to be able to stand back
and look at the boat now that the shelter is gone. There are many
cosmetic items to take care of before painting but not any structural
items left.
fritz koschmann
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/lst
It is not painted yet but I have removed the shelter as it had
collapsed somewhat and it was difficult to work around the boat. I hope
to get it painted in the next few weeks, May being the statistically
driest month here. As you can see one hull has some primer on it, I
changed my mind about priming after the first hull was done. I kept
having to sand off primer when attaching more parts. I plan to use
acrylic latex primer and topcoat for the topsides though it has been a
hard decision. At any rate it is very exciting to be able to stand back
and look at the boat now that the shelter is gone. There are many
cosmetic items to take care of before painting but not any structural
items left.
fritz koschmann