Re: [bolger] Re: Diesel -- was 55 foot sharpie
I was thinking about a trip to your local car breakers
cheers
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The Briggs & Stratton diesels are Daihatsu. The prices
are rather high
though.
Doug
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The Briggs & Stratton diesels are Daihatsu. The prices
are rather high
though.
Doug
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>
> I take it that Daihatsu also import into the USA as
> well as the UK.They do/did a nice little diesel of
> about 900cc which I would have thought was crying
> for use in something other than a car.I think it's a3
> cylinder job.Possibilities?Bolger rules!!!
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The Briggs & Stratton diesels are Daihatsu. The prices are rather high
though.
Doug
though.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@y...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I take it that Daihatsu also import into the USA as
> well as the UK.They do/did a nice little diesel of
> about 900cc which I would have thought was crying out
> for use in something other than a car.I think it's a 3
> cylinder job.Possibilities?
> cheers
> Andy Airey
Hi all
I take it that Daihatsu also import into the USA as
well as the UK.They do/did a nice little diesel of
about 900cc which I would have thought was crying out
for use in something other than a car.I think it's a 3
cylinder job.Possibilities?
cheers
Andy Airey
PS Did anyone ever build a Whalewatcher or Weston
Martyr?
--- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
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Thinking about diesels, I went to the Allen Machine
Co. sight because
they usually have China diesels with reduction gears.
I only saw one
listed, but I did see a 5.5hp Briggs with a 6:1
reduction gear for $254
which put my little Bolger heart to moving. They also
have an 8hp but
the price must be a typo because it was $3389 or
something. In the past
I have seen 10 to 25 hp diesels with reduction gearing
for a couple
thousand, and other interesting stuff, so keep them in
mind if you're in
the US. Clyde
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I take it that Daihatsu also import into the USA as
well as the UK.They do/did a nice little diesel of
about 900cc which I would have thought was crying out
for use in something other than a car.I think it's a 3
cylinder job.Possibilities?
cheers
Andy Airey
PS Did anyone ever build a Whalewatcher or Weston
Martyr?
--- Clyde Wisner <clydewis@...> wrote:
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Thinking about diesels, I went to the Allen Machine
Co. sight because
they usually have China diesels with reduction gears.
I only saw one
listed, but I did see a 5.5hp Briggs with a 6:1
reduction gear for $254
which put my little Bolger heart to moving. They also
have an 8hp but
the price must be a typo because it was $3389 or
something. In the past
I have seen 10 to 25 hp diesels with reduction gearing
for a couple
thousand, and other interesting stuff, so keep them in
mind if you're in
the US. Clyde
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Fortunately, the noise in mostly airborne, which is easy to suppress.
Doug
Doug
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> Right on both counts. Good design can solve both
> problems. I am counting on PB&F to deliver a great
> design that keeps the spray out of the engine
> compartment and the noise in.
>
> Phil Smith
>> Two problems with the Deutz: Whereas no thru-holesare
>> required you do need a means of ducting the coolinguse
>> air. This must be relatively free of spray if you
>> the boat in salt water. You also need to betolerant
>> of noise. They are terribly loud due to the fan andRight on both counts. Good design can solve both
>> cooling fins.
problems. I am counting on PB&F to deliver a great
design that keeps the spray out of the engine
compartment and the noise in.
Phil Smith
I originally planned to use a Chinese diesel. When I went to order it
the distributor I was working with had just quit selling them. I asked
why and he said the quality was too unpredictable. One batch would be
as good as anything you could buy. The next shipment might not have a
single usable one in the lot.
China Diesel Imports in California has had the same problems, though
they are careful to avoid the subject. I picked one up in 1994 at
their warehouse. They admitted having the problem.
I bought a Daewoo diesel instead. Daewoo has a reputation for building
very good machinery. The workmanship shows this. Keel cooling
eliminates the need for thru-holes if you are resourceful.
Two problems with the Deutz: Whereas no thru-holes are required you do
need a means of ducting the cooling air. This must be relatively free
of spray if you use the boat in salt water. You also need to be
tolerant of noise. They are terribly loud due to the fan and cooling fins.
Doug
the distributor I was working with had just quit selling them. I asked
why and he said the quality was too unpredictable. One batch would be
as good as anything you could buy. The next shipment might not have a
single usable one in the lot.
China Diesel Imports in California has had the same problems, though
they are careful to avoid the subject. I picked one up in 1994 at
their warehouse. They admitted having the problem.
I bought a Daewoo diesel instead. Daewoo has a reputation for building
very good machinery. The workmanship shows this. Keel cooling
eliminates the need for thru-holes if you are resourceful.
Two problems with the Deutz: Whereas no thru-holes are required you do
need a means of ducting the cooling air. This must be relatively free
of spray if you use the boat in salt water. You also need to be
tolerant of noise. They are terribly loud due to the fan and cooling fins.
Doug
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> Thinking about diesels, I went to the Allen Machine Co. sight
because
> they usually have China diesels with reduction gears. I only saw one
> listed, but I did see a 5.5hp Briggs with a 6:1 reduction gear for $254
> which put my little Bolger heart to moving. They also have an 8hp but
> the price must be a typo because it was $3389 or something. In the past
> I have seen 10 to 25 hp diesels with reduction gearing for a couple
> thousand, and other interesting stuff, so keep them in mind if
you're in
> the US. Clyde
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Thinking about diesels, I went to the Allen Machine Co. sight because
they usually have China diesels with reduction gears. I only saw one
listed, but I did see a 5.5hp Briggs with a 6:1 reduction gear for $254
which put my little Bolger heart to moving. They also have an 8hp but
the price must be a typo because it was $3389 or something. In the past
I have seen 10 to 25 hp diesels with reduction gearing for a couple
thousand, and other interesting stuff, so keep them in mind if you're in
the US. Clyde
Roger Derby wrote:
they usually have China diesels with reduction gears. I only saw one
listed, but I did see a 5.5hp Briggs with a 6:1 reduction gear for $254
which put my little Bolger heart to moving. They also have an 8hp but
the price must be a typo because it was $3389 or something. In the past
I have seen 10 to 25 hp diesels with reduction gearing for a couple
thousand, and other interesting stuff, so keep them in mind if you're in
the US. Clyde
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That sounds similar to my experience. I bought a used Volvo MD7B, 18 hp,
saildrive, diesel for $500, BUT I then spent another $500 for shipping from
Tacoma, WA, to Fort Worth, TX, and a third for parts and gaskets. Volvo
dealers have a very high opinion of their parts value. I never did find a
prop before I aborted the project.
That said, I learned a very great deal about diesels and I consider the
experience well worth it. (Do you know, instinctively, that turning off the
"ignition" key does NOT shut the engine down?)
If someone wants it, it's available cheap. It did run a few years ago. The
sail drive leg has a gouge cut by a steel mooring cable sometime before I
bought it. Theoretically it can be welded over. (I used duct tape for my
test runs.)
Note that while you can probably rebuild the Deutz engine side
inexpensively, the fuel injector system is about half the value of the whole
powerplant and I'd be surprised if it were significantly cheaper for the
Deutz.
Part of the Diesel's value is that it gets more miles per gallon so the cost
per gallon is not the whole story.
Roger
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saildrive, diesel for $500, BUT I then spent another $500 for shipping from
Tacoma, WA, to Fort Worth, TX, and a third for parts and gaskets. Volvo
dealers have a very high opinion of their parts value. I never did find a
prop before I aborted the project.
That said, I learned a very great deal about diesels and I consider the
experience well worth it. (Do you know, instinctively, that turning off the
"ignition" key does NOT shut the engine down?)
If someone wants it, it's available cheap. It did run a few years ago. The
sail drive leg has a gouge cut by a steel mooring cable sometime before I
bought it. Theoretically it can be welded over. (I used duct tape for my
test runs.)
Note that while you can probably rebuild the Deutz engine side
inexpensively, the fuel injector system is about half the value of the whole
powerplant and I'd be surprised if it were significantly cheaper for the
Deutz.
Part of the Diesel's value is that it gets more miles per gallon so the cost
per gallon is not the whole story.
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Smith" <pbs@...>
>>>Diesel engines,at least up here, are roughly $10,000
>>>more expensive then a similar gasoline inboard and
>>>certainly a fair deal more expensive then a 4 stoke
>>>outboard of similar Hp.
>
> If you are going to build boats on the cheap,
> scrounging isn't a bad skill.
>
> PB&F are big fans of Deutz air cooled diesels. I
> bought one for my still aborted project on Ebay for
> less than a grand. There's three cylinder one on Ebay
> now for less than a grand. Mine is newer and is
> air/oil cooled rather than simply air cooled.
>
> One of the features of using the air cooled Deutz is
> that it doesn't require any through hull fittings.
> Eliminating holes in your boat in the design phase is
> a good thing to do.
>
> A feature of all the air and air/oil cooled Deutz
> diesels is that they are totally field rebuildable.
> Heads and cylinder jugs are replaceable as they are on
> air cooled VW engines. You can carry a spare cylinder
> kit or two and be ready for substantially any
> eventuality. Plus Deutz is sold around the world.
>
> Deutz engines are very reliable and are found all over
> the place. I remember being in a field in Wyoming
> talking about irrigation. There was a Deutz diesel.
> I'd never heard of one until PB&F mentioned them.
> "Where do you get it worked on?" I asked. Oh, there's
> a guy over in Sheridan who sells them and works on
> them. No problems after years of 24/7 use over many
> summers.
>
> The three cylinder Deutz is small enough, low enough
> horsepower, to mate up with PB&F's favorite British
> sail drive unit. I can't recall the make at the moment
> but it will retract, like an outboard, totally out of
> the water. This is handy for eliminating electrolisis.
>
> Eliminating potential sources of electrolisis in your
> boat in the design phase is another good thing to do.
>
> I'd bet that with proper shopping or scrounging that
> one could find a nice Deutz and the British sail drive
> for less than one can buy one of those great Yamaha
> high thrust 50s.
>
> With an on board diesel you get less exposure to
> explosion. You can mount several high capacity
> alternators to provide you with electricity for
> recharging your battery banks. You should also get
> better fuel economy.
>
> I also think that, because of PB&F's infatuation with
> the Deutz/British saildrive combination that they'd be
> happy to redesign appropriate existing designs such as
> Loose Moose and Cabotien or Illinois or Puffer to use
> the Deutz. Of course their plate is really full, so it
> might take longer than you can wait. It's an approach
> I think I'll follow if I get to the building phase.
>
> Phil Smith
>
>
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