Re: [bolger] Thomaston Galley (was Re: #625 *Saint Valery* Schooner 4sale, & dory sailing

There are two articles on the Gypsy in SBJ #56 September 1987. One is a
sailing review the other an article on using it as a camp cruiser. The
sailing review article states that it was conceived as a stitch and glue
replacement for the Tomaston Galley. I can get this scanned if some
wanted a copy, will take a couple of days as my scanning procedure is
taking it two doors down and asking Fritz Funk to scan it for me.

What an awesome publication Small Boat Journal was, every time I look
something up I get caught in reading the whole magazine.

HJ




graeme19121984 wrote:

>Thanks John,
> I've found the dory group people back PCB up on those
>points. Sweeet Pea gets a good write-up in this group way back with
>a thread commencing at #573, perhaps I'll give her another look.
>
>Somehow looking at dories on the net and googling etc turned up
>PCB's Thomaston Galley.
>
>Apparently she is so good the fisherman HH Payson kept one to just
>sail, and the rower, Mr Bolger, kept one just to paddle (25 miles a
>day)! And it can motor, and be overnighted in. However I believe it
>has to be built on molds similar to the Light Dories ( what happened
>to all those dory plans PCB did for Jim Orrel's Texas Dories?)and
>there are some who have an issue with her looks, and so - Gypsy.
>There is not much written about her on this group or any where, and
>I haven't been able to find a sketch or photo. I belive its in a
>couple of HH Payson's books so I'll be sending for them, 'Instant
>Boats' probably, as well as the Sweet Pea build guide.
>cheers
>graeme
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
><John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
>
>
>>Graeme--Bolger makes very strong arguments against trying to rig a
>>
>>
>Light Dory for sail. If you are looking for a combination rowing/
>sailing boat by Bolger using plywood construction, you might
>consider his Sweet Pea. He describes it as a plywood pea pod and it
>also resembles a small gunning dory. I built one about 15 years ago
>and found that it rowed easily and was a useful, if not particularly
>fast sail boat. It is still going strong and the current owner
>periodically takes it along (though not very far off) shore.
>
>
>>Sweet Pea is written up in BWAOM.
>>
>>John T
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: graeme19121984
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:40 AM
>> Subject: [bolger] #625 *Saint Valery* Schooner 4sale, & dory
>>
>>
>sailing
>
>
>> Nice looking PCB *St Valery*, Normanby lug schooner. Built by
>>
>>
>Devlin
>
>
>> Boats Co. Scroll about halfway down the page here:
>>
>>http://www.devlinboat.com/usedboats.htm
>>
>> Re the boat pictured above it, *Egret*, does anyone know of a
>> similar Bolger design? (sorta *Windsprint*, but more seaworthy
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>> rowable, and the V-bottom cuts the noise to boot).
>>
>> I know it to be un-Bolger-like, but lately after managing to
>>
>>
>obtain
>
>
>> HH Payson's 'How to build the Gloucester Light Dory', and also
>> seeing on the study plan of the stretched version PCB's note
>>
>>
>that it
>
>
>> is *possible* to rig a sail and motor *without* his cooperation,
>> i've been considering the benefits of the recreational rowing of
>>
>>
>a
>
>
>> sailing dory.
>>
>> There appears to be a French fashion for sailing dories with one
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>> PCB's favourite rigs, the dipping lug.
>>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/files/photos/
>>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/
>> cheers
>> graeme
>>
>>
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Graeme--I built a Thomaston Galley in the 70's and used it for rowing only. It does have to be built over molds and the "snout" requires carving a chunk of wood. It was stable enough so that I was able to use it for duck hunting, though the only way to get a dog back in was over the transom. It was a nice boat.

Gypsy was used by a man to row down much of the Maine coast and his adventures were chronicled in a series of articles in Small Boat Journal. I've never actually seen a Gypsy, but articles indicate she rows and sails well. And she isn't as funny looking as the Thoamston Galley.

When I first started playing with small boats, there wasn't a lot to choose from; now the challenge is to decide which boat to build!

John T


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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: [bolger] Thomaston Galley (was Re: #625 *Saint Valery* Schooner 4sale, & dory sailing


Thanks John,
I've found the dory group people back PCB up on those
points. Sweeet Pea gets a good write-up in this group way back with
a thread commencing at #573, perhaps I'll give her another look.

Somehow looking at dories on the net and googling etc turned up
PCB's Thomaston Galley.

Apparently she is so good the fisherman HH Payson kept one to just
sail, and the rower, Mr Bolger, kept one just to paddle (25 miles a
day)! And it can motor, and be overnighted in. However I believe it
has to be built on molds similar to the Light Dories ( what happened
to all those dory plans PCB did for Jim Orrel's Texas Dories?)and
there are some who have an issue with her looks, and so - Gypsy.
There is not much written about her on this group or any where, and
I haven't been able to find a sketch or photo. I belive its in a
couple of HH Payson's books so I'll be sending for them, 'Instant
Boats' probably, as well as the Sweet Pea build guide.
cheers
graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> Graeme--Bolger makes very strong arguments against trying to rig a
Light Dory for sail. If you are looking for a combination rowing/
sailing boat by Bolger using plywood construction, you might
consider his Sweet Pea. He describes it as a plywood pea pod and it
also resembles a small gunning dory. I built one about 15 years ago
and found that it rowed easily and was a useful, if not particularly
fast sail boat. It is still going strong and the current owner
periodically takes it along (though not very far off) shore.
>
> Sweet Pea is written up in BWAOM.
>
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: graeme19121984
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:40 AM
> Subject: [bolger] #625 *Saint Valery* Schooner 4sale, & dory
sailing
>
>
> Nice looking PCB *St Valery*, Normanby lug schooner. Built by
Devlin
> Boats Co. Scroll about halfway down the page here:
>
>http://www.devlinboat.com/usedboats.htm
>
> Re the boat pictured above it, *Egret*, does anyone know of a
> similar Bolger design? (sorta *Windsprint*, but more seaworthy
and
> rowable, and the V-bottom cuts the noise to boot).
>
> I know it to be un-Bolger-like, but lately after managing to
obtain
> HH Payson's 'How to build the Gloucester Light Dory', and also
> seeing on the study plan of the stretched version PCB's note
that it
> is *possible* to rig a sail and motor *without* his cooperation,
> i've been considering the benefits of the recreational rowing of
a
> sailing dory.
>
> There appears to be a French fashion for sailing dories with one
of
> PCB's favourite rigs, the dipping lug.
>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/files/photos/
>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/
> cheers
> graeme
>
>
>
>
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> Somehow looking at dories on the net and googling etc turned up
> PCB's Thomaston Galley.

I recall that PCB once wrote, in response to a request to
design a sail for his Light Dory, that if here were to
redesign Light Dory with a sail, that it would turn out
looking like a Thomaston Galley.
I liked the bit in the add where it said "clever" design. :)
Cheers
graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robrohdeszudy" <robrohdeszudy@n...>
wrote:
> Bolger has an article on that design in Woodenboat Issue 157, page
36.
> It's about "shoal draft and self-righting" and also discusses
> the "William D. Jochems" design #639. Following Bolger's article is
an
> article on sailing the exact boat seen for sale on Devlin's site.
> --Rob
Thanks Bill,
I will check out Iain's dory plans. Small Boat Forum has
him listed as a dory designer, and of course he is famous for his
other double enders. Presently I'm trying to get his "Wooden
Boatbuilding in Britain".
cheers
graeme


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
> You might take a look at Iain Oughtred's 'Blackfish' dory, which
is designed for sail as well as oar. It's interesting to compare it
with the same designer's 'Mackerel' dory - finer lined and for oars
only.
>
> I haven't checked the dimensions, but I guess the Mackerel is
closer to Bolger's Gloucester Light Dory.
>
> Bill
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks John,
I've found the dory group people back PCB up on those
points. Sweeet Pea gets a good write-up in this group way back with
a thread commencing at #573, perhaps I'll give her another look.

Somehow looking at dories on the net and googling etc turned up
PCB's Thomaston Galley.

Apparently she is so good the fisherman HH Payson kept one to just
sail, and the rower, Mr Bolger, kept one just to paddle (25 miles a
day)! And it can motor, and be overnighted in. However I believe it
has to be built on molds similar to the Light Dories ( what happened
to all those dory plans PCB did for Jim Orrel's Texas Dories?)and
there are some who have an issue with her looks, and so - Gypsy.
There is not much written about her on this group or any where, and
I haven't been able to find a sketch or photo. I belive its in a
couple of HH Payson's books so I'll be sending for them, 'Instant
Boats' probably, as well as the Sweet Pea build guide.
cheers
graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> Graeme--Bolger makes very strong arguments against trying to rig a
Light Dory for sail. If you are looking for a combination rowing/
sailing boat by Bolger using plywood construction, you might
consider his Sweet Pea. He describes it as a plywood pea pod and it
also resembles a small gunning dory. I built one about 15 years ago
and found that it rowed easily and was a useful, if not particularly
fast sail boat. It is still going strong and the current owner
periodically takes it along (though not very far off) shore.
>
> Sweet Pea is written up in BWAOM.
>
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: graeme19121984
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:40 AM
> Subject: [bolger] #625 *Saint Valery* Schooner 4sale, & dory
sailing
>
>
> Nice looking PCB *St Valery*, Normanby lug schooner. Built by
Devlin
> Boats Co. Scroll about halfway down the page here:
>
>http://www.devlinboat.com/usedboats.htm
>
> Re the boat pictured above it, *Egret*, does anyone know of a
> similar Bolger design? (sorta *Windsprint*, but more seaworthy
and
> rowable, and the V-bottom cuts the noise to boot).
>
> I know it to be un-Bolger-like, but lately after managing to
obtain
> HH Payson's 'How to build the Gloucester Light Dory', and also
> seeing on the study plan of the stretched version PCB's note
that it
> is *possible* to rig a sail and motor *without* his cooperation,
> i've been considering the benefits of the recreational rowing of
a
> sailing dory.
>
> There appears to be a French fashion for sailing dories with one
of
> PCB's favourite rigs, the dipping lug.
>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/files/photos/
>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/
> cheers
> graeme
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead
horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,
Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip
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Bolger has an article on that design in Woodenboat Issue 157, page 36.
It's about "shoal draft and self-righting" and also discusses
the "William D. Jochems" design #639. Following Bolger's article is an
article on sailing the exact boat seen for sale on Devlin's site.
--Rob
You might take a look at Iain Oughtred's 'Blackfish' dory, which is designed for sail as well as oar. It's interesting to compare it with the same designer's 'Mackerel' dory - finer lined and for oars only.

I haven't checked the dimensions, but I guess the Mackerel is closer to Bolger's Gloucester Light Dory.

Bill

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Graeme--Bolger makes very strong arguments against trying to rig a Light Dory for sail. If you are looking for a combination rowing/ sailing boat by Bolger using plywood construction, you might consider his Sweet Pea. He describes it as a plywood pea pod and it also resembles a small gunning dory. I built one about 15 years ago and found that it rowed easily and was a useful, if not particularly fast sail boat. It is still going strong and the current owner periodically takes it along (though not very far off) shore.

Sweet Pea is written up in BWAOM.

John T
----- Original Message -----
From: graeme19121984
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:40 AM
Subject: [bolger] #625 *Saint Valery* Schooner 4sale, & dory sailing


Nice looking PCB *St Valery*, Normanby lug schooner. Built by Devlin
Boats Co. Scroll about halfway down the page here:

http://www.devlinboat.com/usedboats.htm

Re the boat pictured above it, *Egret*, does anyone know of a
similar Bolger design? (sorta *Windsprint*, but more seaworthy and
rowable, and the V-bottom cuts the noise to boot).

I know it to be un-Bolger-like, but lately after managing to obtain
HH Payson's 'How to build the Gloucester Light Dory', and also
seeing on the study plan of the stretched version PCB's note that it
is *possible* to rig a sail and motor *without* his cooperation,
i've been considering the benefits of the recreational rowing of a
sailing dory.

There appears to be a French fashion for sailing dories with one of
PCB's favourite rigs, the dipping lug.
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/files/photos/
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/
cheers
graeme




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Thanks, St Valerie, one of my favorite designs, along with Romp. Clyde

graeme19121984 wrote:

> Nice looking PCB *St Valery*, Normanby lug schooner. Built by Devlin
> Boats Co. Scroll about halfway down the page here:
>
>http://www.devlinboat.com/usedboats.htm
>
> Re the boat pictured above it, *Egret*, does anyone know of a
> similar Bolger design? (sorta *Windsprint*, but more seaworthy and
> rowable, and the V-bottom cuts the noise to boot).
>
> I know it to be un-Bolger-like, but lately after managing to obtain
> HH Payson's 'How to build the Gloucester Light Dory', and also
> seeing on the study plan of the stretched version PCB's note that it
> is *possible* to rig a sail and motor *without* his cooperation,
> i've been considering the benefits of the recreational rowing of a
> sailing dory.
>
> There appears to be a French fashion for sailing dories with one of
> PCB's favourite rigs, the dipping lug.
>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/files/photos/
>http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/
> cheers
> graeme
>
>
>
>
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Nice looking PCB *St Valery*, Normanby lug schooner. Built by Devlin
Boats Co. Scroll about halfway down the page here:

http://www.devlinboat.com/usedboats.htm

Re the boat pictured above it, *Egret*, does anyone know of a
similar Bolger design? (sorta *Windsprint*, but more seaworthy and
rowable, and the V-bottom cuts the noise to boot).

I know it to be un-Bolger-like, but lately after managing to obtain
HH Payson's 'How to build the Gloucester Light Dory', and also
seeing on the study plan of the stretched version PCB's note that it
is *possible* to rig a sail and motor *without* his cooperation,
i've been considering the benefits of the recreational rowing of a
sailing dory.

There appears to be a French fashion for sailing dories with one of
PCB's favourite rigs, the dipping lug.
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/files/photos/
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/voile-aviron/
cheers
graeme