Re: [bolger] Re: Towing a Teal
Not yet. I am now bolting more on that cutting off though. Progress. I
hope for a launch in early June. ....big race on June the 11th.
RonB.
Stella-J24-#1660----for sale!
Thistle-do-Thistle-#1634
Thumper-Express 27-#16
...plus a few wee boats.
hope for a launch in early June. ....big race on June the 11th.
RonB.
Stella-J24-#1660----for sale!
Thistle-do-Thistle-#1634
Thumper-Express 27-#16
...plus a few wee boats.
On 18-May-05, at 9:58 AM, Gary Lepak wrote:
>
> Have fun picking a design and building. Is the Express in the water?
>
> Gary Lepak
> Port Angeles, WA, USA
>
> designs, even sketching in an appropriate boat in a lot of cases. WeTrue, though he towed a tender for many years from Pointer.
> could infer that he would rather not tow.
> Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
makes a point of providing deck space for the tender on a lot of his
designs, even sketching in an appropriate boat in a lot of cases. We
could infer that he would rather not tow.
Doug
>I do not recall any reference on towing, but I have noticed that he
> I am scratching my brain to try to remember what PCB has
> written about the 'ideal tow behind tender', I am sure that
> he has written about this, does anybody remember where?
makes a point of providing deck space for the tender on a lot of his
designs, even sketching in an appropriate boat in a lot of cases. We
could infer that he would rather not tow.
Doug
> We towed a 16-17' canoe behind our Wharram cat and had the yawing problemI recall reading Bolger that his Light Dory had a yawing
problem, but no matter the gyrations it always ended
right side up and dry. He designed the Light Dory to be a tow
behind tender for his Pointer, and this dory evolved into the
later 'Gloucester Gull' dory. A good boat, but it has the flaw of
having a 'big step' to get into it due to the flared sides.
June Bug was designed as an improvement on Light Dory [solving
the 'big step' problem] for use as a 'mooring tender', and is rated
for higher capacity than Teal. I would guess that June Bug also tows
well if it is not loaded down heavy.
I am scratching my brain to try to remember what PCB has
written about the 'ideal tow behind tender', I am sure that
he has written about this, does anybody remember where?
Hi Ron,
First, I also would nix the Teal design for your intended load. I had one
and was disappointed in it's carrying capacity. 12' punt sounds nice.
We towed a 16-17' canoe behind our Wharram cat and had the yawing problem as
the bow would dig in at the bottom of a wave. We solved it by towing it so
close that the painter was holding up the bow a bit. I think a pram bow is
better for preventing yawing.
The A frame thing sounds like a worthwhile experiment.
Have fun picking a design and building. Is the Express in the water?
Gary Lepak
Port Angeles, WA, USA
First, I also would nix the Teal design for your intended load. I had one
and was disappointed in it's carrying capacity. 12' punt sounds nice.
We towed a 16-17' canoe behind our Wharram cat and had the yawing problem as
the bow would dig in at the bottom of a wave. We solved it by towing it so
close that the painter was holding up the bow a bit. I think a pram bow is
better for preventing yawing.
The A frame thing sounds like a worthwhile experiment.
Have fun picking a design and building. Is the Express in the water?
Gary Lepak
Port Angeles, WA, USA
> I was wondering about that. The drawings in the book show a secondaryI had two adults, and a little gear, perhaps 400 pounds, no problem
> rowing station for use with a passenger. Our load would be around 200kg
> (440 pounds-ish) all up including some gear. Probably too much for such
> a fine ended little boat.
really for the capacity and waterline, but not much room left to move.
Adding a child or a dog would require some 'sitting still' skills.
I don't think most 12 foot boats are big enough. Though, an 8' Brick
would work, and built with the 'flat aft bottom option' it would plane.
> Most of my towing experience that has gone badI recall reading an interesting article in MAIB about
> was partly due to the tender yawing about madly.
> RonB.
this, and if memory serves me, yawing is what a boat
does in response to being forced to travel in displacment
mode faster than its displacement speed.
The fix for this is finding for a light weight boat that
has a flat bottom, so it can plane easily. The
example given for a 'perfect' shape was an
empty aluminum canoe: light weight and flat.
I doubt that anything like an "A-Frame tow line"
could change the fundamental physics of a boat
yawing when forced to travel in displacment
mode faster than its displacement speed.
I'd like to try an A-frame rigid tow line. Say, use two of the spars
from a lug rig with end fittings that clipped into a low down bow eye
of the tender and eyes on the corners of the stern of the Express. Most
of my towing experience that has gone bad was partly due to the tender
yawing about madly. This would also hold the tender off the boat at
anchor.
RonB.
from a lug rig with end fittings that clipped into a low down bow eye
of the tender and eyes on the corners of the stern of the Express. Most
of my towing experience that has gone bad was partly due to the tender
yawing about madly. This would also hold the tender off the boat at
anchor.
RonB.
On 17-May-05, at 11:25 AM, Joe Tribulato wrote:
> Towline should be attached low on the stem for best behavior. But you
> probably know that.
I was wondering about that. The drawings in the book show a secondary
rowing station for use with a passenger. Our load would be around 200kg
(440 pounds-ish) all up including some gear. Probably too much for such
a fine ended little boat.
Looking at the Piccup Pram again and remembering my Devlin "Cackler"
experience, I'd rather not do the stitch and glue thing again.
An Elegant Punt stretched out to 12 feet might suit. ....so many boats.
RonB.
rowing station for use with a passenger. Our load would be around 200kg
(440 pounds-ish) all up including some gear. Probably too much for such
a fine ended little boat.
Looking at the Piccup Pram again and remembering my Devlin "Cackler"
experience, I'd rather not do the stitch and glue thing again.
An Elegant Punt stretched out to 12 feet might suit. ....so many boats.
RonB.
> I am guessing it would tow fine, but it would a tight fit
> for two adults and a child.
Towline should be attached low on the stem for best behavior. But you
probably know that.
probably know that.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <badley@s...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever towed a Teal as a tender behind a fast sailboat?
>
> I really don't want to put a boat on deck for cruising but need the
> use of a good tender that can carry 2 adults and a youngster. Something
> that would make a good water toy in the anchorages would be best. The
> Teal looks well suited.
>
> But, our sailboat is quite fast. It's an Express 27 and easily
capable
> of double digit speeds off the wind. I'm not sure how the Teal would
> handle such speeds. The other choice could be a Michalak Pickup Pram.
>
> RonB.
> >I guess im comparing it to any small boat I can fit in the back of myI put a 1 hp outboard on one of the Tortoises I built. I cut a panel
> van, so I don't have to use a trailer or roof rack for fishing on
> my
> local lakes. Rowing would be important and being able to handle a
> small electric trolling motor. Also a simple but practical first time
> boat building project, as I'm not the most skilled person in the
> workshop. If there are any other boldger designs that would suit
> please let me know?
>
> Thanks Phil.
out of the rear deck and added a 3/4' backing blate inside the transom
to handle the outboard. It worked fine. I imagine with a trolling
motor you might have to put the battery in the bow and run a cable
aft. Come to think of it you might put the electric motor in the
bow..or even on the side aft of center.
The boat rows OK, but has no carry between strokes. You are just sort
of prying it along through the water.
It is easy for one person to move around, like in and out of your van.
Construction is very easy.
Reed
On 5/16/05, Ron Badley <badley@...> wrote:
for two adults and a child.
> Has anyone ever towed a Teal as a tender behind a fast sailboat?I am guessing it would tow fine, but it would a tight fit
> use of a good tender that can carry 2 adults and a youngster.
for two adults and a child.
Has anyone ever towed a Teal as a tender behind a fast sailboat?
I really don't want to put a boat on deck for cruising but need the
use of a good tender that can carry 2 adults and a youngster. Something
that would make a good water toy in the anchorages would be best. The
Teal looks well suited.
But, our sailboat is quite fast. It's an Express 27 and easily capable
of double digit speeds off the wind. I'm not sure how the Teal would
handle such speeds. The other choice could be a Michalak Pickup Pram.
RonB.
I really don't want to put a boat on deck for cruising but need the
use of a good tender that can carry 2 adults and a youngster. Something
that would make a good water toy in the anchorages would be best. The
Teal looks well suited.
But, our sailboat is quite fast. It's an Express 27 and easily capable
of double digit speeds off the wind. I'm not sure how the Teal would
handle such speeds. The other choice could be a Michalak Pickup Pram.
RonB.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captreed48" <captreed@s...> wrote:
my
local lakes. Rowing would be important and being able to handle a
small electric trolling motor. Also a simple but practical first time
boat building project, as I'm not the most skilled person in the
workshop. If there are any other boldger designs that would suit
please let me know?
Thanks Phil.
> Hi Phil,van, so I don't have to use a trailer or roof rack for fishing on
>
> Tortoise is a great little boat. I've build 3 of them. The best
> picture is on Dynamite Payson's website:
>http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm
>
> What were you comparing it too?
>
>I guess im comparing it to any small boat I can fit in the back of my
my
local lakes. Rowing would be important and being able to handle a
small electric trolling motor. Also a simple but practical first time
boat building project, as I'm not the most skilled person in the
workshop. If there are any other boldger designs that would suit
please let me know?
Thanks Phil.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@c...> wrote:
other
members suggestions and there doesn't seem to be many photos or
info,
there's a lot on bricks and the other, I think its called elegant
punt? If you could send me some photos it would be a great
inspiration. Also people say there stability is good? I'm wanting
a
small boat I can fit in the back of my van, so I don't have to
use a
trailer or roof rack for fishing on my local lakes so rowing would be
important and being able to handle a small electric trolling motor.
Also a simple but practical first time boat building project, as
I'm
not the most skilled person in the workshop.
Thanks Phil.
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zpz_777" <phil777262@h...> wrote:couple
> > Hello Group is there anybody that can help me locate pictures of a
> > tortoise punt, I am thinking of building one, and would like a
> comparison.
> >
> > Thanks Phil.
>
> Phil: If you don't find any online, let me know and I'll shoot a
> shots of mine in the backyard and send them on....Thanks Gary, I've had a look around with google, and some of the
>
> Gary Blankenship
other
members suggestions and there doesn't seem to be many photos or
info,
there's a lot on bricks and the other, I think its called elegant
punt? If you could send me some photos it would be a great
inspiration. Also people say there stability is good? I'm wanting
a
small boat I can fit in the back of my van, so I don't have to
use a
trailer or roof rack for fishing on my local lakes so rowing would be
important and being able to handle a small electric trolling motor.
Also a simple but practical first time boat building project, as
I'm
not the most skilled person in the workshop.
Thanks Phil.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zpz_777" <phil777262@h...> wrote:
shots of mine in the backyard and send them on....
Gary Blankenship
> Hello Group is there anybody that can help me locate pictures of acomparison.
> tortoise punt, I am thinking of building one, and would like a
>Phil: If you don't find any online, let me know and I'll shoot a couple
> Thanks Phil.
shots of mine in the backyard and send them on....
Gary Blankenship
> Hello Group is there anybody that can help me locate pictures of aI was going to say just Google: "Bolger Tortoise" but indeed
> tortoise punt, I am thinking of building one, and would like a comparison.
>
> Thanks Phil.
there appears not to be any definitive website about the
building of a Tortoise.
If you build one, please put up a photo journal.
I have built one myself, a fun and quick project, and an
amazingly compact functional boat. Some say it is
Bolger's best design, and I agree that it is, if the measure
is simplicity, and suitablilty to a task.
Hi Phil,
Tortoise is a great little boat. I've build 3 of them. The best
picture is on Dynamite Payson's website:
http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm
What were you comparing it too?
Reed
Tortoise is a great little boat. I've build 3 of them. The best
picture is on Dynamite Payson's website:
http://www.instantboats.com/tortoise.htm
What were you comparing it too?
Reed
Hello Group is there anybody that can help me locate pictures of a
tortoise punt, I am thinking of building one, and would like a comparison.
Thanks Phil.
tortoise punt, I am thinking of building one, and would like a comparison.
Thanks Phil.