RE: Towing a June Bug
Bill, I certainly agree with all you say of JB's charms, esp. her remarkable
stability. I'm amazed I found grounds for criticizing her at all, given how
often I've raved about her on this list over the years. But she is a bit of
a "drag" behind a Micro. However, she gets the two of us, our dog and all
our gear for a week's worth of cruising out to the mooring in one trip, and
we still love her dearly. I'm sure the Auray punt will be a better towing
tender, but I know we'll miss JB's capacity, stability, and sail-ability.
jeb, sailing in his dreams, off the misty shores of Fundy
stability. I'm amazed I found grounds for criticizing her at all, given how
often I've raved about her on this list over the years. But she is a bit of
a "drag" behind a Micro. However, she gets the two of us, our dog and all
our gear for a week's worth of cruising out to the mooring in one trip, and
we still love her dearly. I'm sure the Auray punt will be a better towing
tender, but I know we'll miss JB's capacity, stability, and sail-ability.
jeb, sailing in his dreams, off the misty shores of Fundy
I towed a JB behind Sylvester - my Chebacco - for many years. The JB certainly degraded the performance of the Chebacco - but probably not as much as it would a Micro.
The reason I chose a JB rather than something smaller like, say, a Tortoise, was that I needed a boat that would row fast enough to stem the tide on my way out to the mooring, 100 yards offshore. She's also extremely stable for climbing in and out of the 'mothership'. And I doubt if you'll find a lighter 14-footer for manhandling up the slip at the end of the day.
Still, I eventually realised that the best way to use it was to leave the JB on the mooring when I went on a trip and so I could sail without the drag of a tender behind (so to speak!).
Bill
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The reason I chose a JB rather than something smaller like, say, a Tortoise, was that I needed a boat that would row fast enough to stem the tide on my way out to the mooring, 100 yards offshore. She's also extremely stable for climbing in and out of the 'mothership'. And I doubt if you'll find a lighter 14-footer for manhandling up the slip at the end of the day.
Still, I eventually realised that the best way to use it was to leave the JB on the mooring when I went on a trip and so I could sail without the drag of a tender behind (so to speak!).
Bill
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I'm always inspired by pictures of the Zeiger family boats. In fact I'm now
determined to convert my hurricane battered Jessie Cooper to a Chinese lug
schooner yawl (or should that be yawl schooner?) similar to Dave and Anke's
Luna. Having said that, I've not found June Bug to be a great boat for
towing. At least not with a Micro. Even though JB skims along nicely in very
light air with no noticeable drag, she's prone to stalling the Micro in
stays when trying to tack. Then if the wind picks up and Micro approaches
hull speed, JB swings out on her tether and digs in with her forward lea
chine. I'll admit tender towing is a relatively new sport for me and I might
get better performance from JB in tow if I adjust her bridle. On the other
hand my problems could be the result of trying to tow a tender that's only
16" shorter than my Micro. Mark Zeiger's MJ is probably much better suited
for the task. What I hope will be the solution to my problem is the
absolutely adorable little Auray punt (p. 16 BWAOM) I've nearly completed.
She looks like she was born to tow and I expect her to row like a dream as
well. I'll give a report on her tender charms if summer ever finds its way
to the soggy shores of Fundy.
jeb
determined to convert my hurricane battered Jessie Cooper to a Chinese lug
schooner yawl (or should that be yawl schooner?) similar to Dave and Anke's
Luna. Having said that, I've not found June Bug to be a great boat for
towing. At least not with a Micro. Even though JB skims along nicely in very
light air with no noticeable drag, she's prone to stalling the Micro in
stays when trying to tack. Then if the wind picks up and Micro approaches
hull speed, JB swings out on her tether and digs in with her forward lea
chine. I'll admit tender towing is a relatively new sport for me and I might
get better performance from JB in tow if I adjust her bridle. On the other
hand my problems could be the result of trying to tow a tender that's only
16" shorter than my Micro. Mark Zeiger's MJ is probably much better suited
for the task. What I hope will be the solution to my problem is the
absolutely adorable little Auray punt (p. 16 BWAOM) I've nearly completed.
She looks like she was born to tow and I expect her to row like a dream as
well. I'll give a report on her tender charms if summer ever finds its way
to the soggy shores of Fundy.
jeb
The Zeiger's tow a June Bug behind their Martha Jane as a Dinghy.
http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/MJsummer03.html
check out a picture of the June Bug for the all time" best scenic
picture with June Bug in it" award.
http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/Images/bernersjb.jpg
HJ
Chris and Eva Harvey wrote:
http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/MJsummer03.html
check out a picture of the June Bug for the all time" best scenic
picture with June Bug in it" award.
http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/Images/bernersjb.jpg
HJ
Chris and Eva Harvey wrote:
>I have towed a June Bug as a tender for hundreds of miles, both under sail and under power. I fastened an eye bolt about 2" from the bottom of the stem to keep the bow up. One could not ask for a better tender; it tows well, rows well, sails well, and kids really have to work hard to tip it-mine never have! I highly recommend it.
>
>Chris Harvey
>
>bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:
>
>
> I have towed a June Bug as a tender for hundreds of miles...June Bug is an interesting Bolger boat, a central boat to
> I highly recommend it.
> Chris Harvey
one of Bolger's 'signature' styles, the plumb sided boat.
Right at the same time he was designing June Bug,
he wrote this letter to the editor of _Small Boat Journal_
in which he explains the logic of plumb sided boats.
Summer of 1981.
http://hallman.org/bolger/junebug_letter.gif
My experience is exactly the same. My only reservation is that it's a big tender!
Bill
Bill
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From: Chris and Eva Harvey
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Towing a June Bug
I have towed a June Bug as a tender for hundreds of miles, both under sail and under power. I fastened an eye bolt about 2" from the bottom of the stem to keep the bow up. One could not ask for a better tender; it tows well, rows well, sails well, and kids really have to work hard to tip it-mine never have! I highly recommend it.
Chris Harvey
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I have towed a June Bug as a tender for hundreds of miles, both under sail and under power. I fastened an eye bolt about 2" from the bottom of the stem to keep the bow up. One could not ask for a better tender; it tows well, rows well, sails well, and kids really have to work hard to tip it-mine never have! I highly recommend it.
Chris Harvey
bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:
There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: Towing a Teal
From: Bruce Hallman
2. Good deal on plywood in B'More DC metro area
From: "Mike Walsh"
3. Re: Towing a Teal
From: "oarmandt"
4. Re: Re: Towing a Teal
From: Bruce Hallman
5. Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
From: "seagulloutb"
6. Re: Digest Number 2474
From: "Michael Kline"
7. Re: Digest Number 2474
From: Bruce Hallman
8. Re: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
From: Bruce Hallman
9. Re: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
From: Philip Smith
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:33:27 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman
Subject: Re: Re: Towing a Teal
problem, but no matter the gyrations it always ended
right side up and dry. He designed the Light Dory to be a tow
behind tender for his Pointer, and this dory evolved into the
later 'Gloucester Gull' dory. A good boat, but it has the flaw of
having a 'big step' to get into it due to the flared sides.
June Bug was designed as an improvement on Light Dory [solving
the 'big step' problem] for use as a 'mooring tender', and is rated
for higher capacity than Teal. I would guess that June Bug also tows
well if it is not loaded down heavy.
I am scratching my brain to try to remember what PCB has
written about the 'ideal tow behind tender', I am sure that
he has written about this, does anybody remember where?
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:46:25 -0000
From: "Mike Walsh"
Subject: Good deal on plywood in B'More DC metro area
For anyone that lives within about 150 miles of Baltimore, Maryland,
this may be of interest.
Harborsales.com sells marine grade ply in fir, okoume, sapele, MDO
single or dual side resin covered. There prices are a bit higher than
other online vendors.
What makes them a great deal is that they will deliver to your door for
FREE, so long as they do not have to make a special delivery just to
you. Some of the costs for shipping at other online vendors almost
equalled the cost of the plywood.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:24:29 -0000
From: "oarmandt"
Subject: Re: Towing a Teal
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman
wrote:
makes a point of providing deck space for the tender on a lot of his
designs, even sketching in an appropriate boat in a lot of cases. We
could infer that he would rather not tow.
Doug
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:34:16 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman
Subject: Re: Re: Towing a Teal
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:17:57 -0000
From: "seagulloutb"
Subject: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
Latest MAIB (May 15'05) has a wonderful article by PCB on Micro
Navigator Update. I'd be strongly inclined to build one with the
Chinese Gaffer rig if it weren't quite true that I'm slave to
completing a Chebacco. In fact, I cannot think of a finer boat as
permanent backyard vessel of choice -- for stargazing, faux navigating,
dreaming by self or with others. Bruce Hallman quoted a length. Can
one imagine going from Africa to the Cape Verde Islands in this
toy...or is it not a serious boat afterall. Wife thinks it darned cute
and I do too. -- dick b.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:29:57 -0500
From: "Michael Kline"
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2474
Where? Oh, where did you see this opportunity?
Chris Harvey
bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:
There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: Towing a Teal
From: Bruce Hallman
2. Good deal on plywood in B'More DC metro area
From: "Mike Walsh"
3. Re: Towing a Teal
From: "oarmandt"
4. Re: Re: Towing a Teal
From: Bruce Hallman
5. Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
From: "seagulloutb"
6. Re: Digest Number 2474
From: "Michael Kline"
7. Re: Digest Number 2474
From: Bruce Hallman
8. Re: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
From: Bruce Hallman
9. Re: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
From: Philip Smith
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:33:27 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman
Subject: Re: Re: Towing a Teal
> We towed a 16-17' canoe behind our Wharram cat and had the yawing problemI recall reading Bolger that his Light Dory had a yawing
problem, but no matter the gyrations it always ended
right side up and dry. He designed the Light Dory to be a tow
behind tender for his Pointer, and this dory evolved into the
later 'Gloucester Gull' dory. A good boat, but it has the flaw of
having a 'big step' to get into it due to the flared sides.
June Bug was designed as an improvement on Light Dory [solving
the 'big step' problem] for use as a 'mooring tender', and is rated
for higher capacity than Teal. I would guess that June Bug also tows
well if it is not loaded down heavy.
I am scratching my brain to try to remember what PCB has
written about the 'ideal tow behind tender', I am sure that
he has written about this, does anybody remember where?
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:46:25 -0000
From: "Mike Walsh"
Subject: Good deal on plywood in B'More DC metro area
For anyone that lives within about 150 miles of Baltimore, Maryland,
this may be of interest.
Harborsales.com sells marine grade ply in fir, okoume, sapele, MDO
single or dual side resin covered. There prices are a bit higher than
other online vendors.
What makes them a great deal is that they will deliver to your door for
FREE, so long as they do not have to make a special delivery just to
you. Some of the costs for shipping at other online vendors almost
equalled the cost of the plywood.
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:24:29 -0000
From: "oarmandt"
Subject: Re: Towing a Teal
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman
wrote:
>I do not recall any reference on towing, but I have noticed that he
> I am scratching my brain to try to remember what PCB has
> written about the 'ideal tow behind tender', I am sure that
> he has written about this, does anybody remember where?
makes a point of providing deck space for the tender on a lot of his
designs, even sketching in an appropriate boat in a lot of cases. We
could infer that he would rather not tow.
Doug
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:34:16 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman
Subject: Re: Re: Towing a Teal
> designs, even sketching in an appropriate boat in a lot of cases. WeTrue, though he towed a tender for many years from Pointer.
> could infer that he would rather not tow.
> Doug
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:17:57 -0000
From: "seagulloutb"
Subject: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
Latest MAIB (May 15'05) has a wonderful article by PCB on Micro
Navigator Update. I'd be strongly inclined to build one with the
Chinese Gaffer rig if it weren't quite true that I'm slave to
completing a Chebacco. In fact, I cannot think of a finer boat as
permanent backyard vessel of choice -- for stargazing, faux navigating,
dreaming by self or with others. Bruce Hallman quoted a length. Can
one imagine going from Africa to the Cape Verde Islands in this
toy...or is it not a serious boat afterall. Wife thinks it darned cute
and I do too. -- dick b.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:29:57 -0500
From: "Michael Kline"
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2474
Where? Oh, where did you see this opportunity?
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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: [bolger] Digest Number 2474
There is 1 message in this issue.
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1. Re: Re: weekender?
From: Bruce Hallman
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:28:02 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman
>
Subject: Re: Re: weekender?
> of Friendship Maine, not freedom. Bolger has a design called Fancy,
> 15ft 7in., lapstrake and trailerable.
I am pretty sure that there is a _Fancy_ currently for sale
in Chicago right now.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:15:54 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2474
On 5/18/05, Michael Kline wrote:
> Where? Oh, where did you see this opportunity?
> > I am pretty sure that there is a _Fancy_ currently for sale
> > in Chicago right now.
Dennis wrote me about it, off list.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:27:31 -0700
From: Bruce Hallman
Subject: Re: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
On 5/18/05, seagulloutb wrote:
> Latest MAIB (May 15'05) has a wonderful article by PCB on Micro
> Navigator Update.
More than usual, I can't wait for the next issue of MAIB
to arrive in the mailbox.
> I'd be strongly inclined to build one with the
> Chinese Gaffer rig if it weren't quite true that I'm slave to
> completing a Chebacco.
I have a similar problem, the urge to build too many boats,
especially Bolger boats. Building models helps somewhat!
> In fact, I cannot think of a finer boat as
> permanent backyard vessel of choice --
I agree, it is a darn good boat, for purposes.
I can think of almost no other boat that meets
the same purpose; that is a safe small cabin cruising
sailboat that fits on a trailer in my driveway.
> for stargazing,
Well...there is the roof, and no cockpit, so not so good.
> faux navigating, dreaming by self or with others.
A definite yes.
> Wife thinks it darned cute
> and I do too. -- dick b.
It is funny how many people say that.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Philip Smith
Subject: Re: Nice article on Micro Nav. Update
> I agree, it is a darn good boat, for purposes.
> I can think of almost no other boat that meets
> the same purpose; that is a safe small cabin
> cruising
> sailboat that fits on a trailer in my driveway.
>
> > for stargazing,
>
The modified Martha Jane is a pretty good candidate.
If I was solo or didn't expect to have as much money
available as I hope to have, I'd build Tahiti.
Phil Smith
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