Re: [bolger] Re: Paint Questons

You'll need a White Ensign then Howard if you're
joining the Grey Funnel Line
Cheers
Andy Airey(trying to catch up with back emails)
--- Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:


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In one of his books, PCB advocated painting the
topsides with aluminum
paint. It would be very cheap and go well with grey...

Howard

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@c...>
wrote:
.... > I'm itching to try some porch and garage floor
paint, but the
only color I've found locally is . . . grey.
>
> Gary





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I am way ahead of you. My daughter is well versed in the difference
between a phillips head and flat head screw driver, and knows the many
uses of duct tape. She has been equally as excited as I about the
invention of transparent duct tape. Pointy Skiff survived a week of
bashing the dock with 40 MPH winds with occasional gusts to 60 MPH
last weekend. Paint is fine.


David
Here are some photos of the end result using Interlux primer and
Brightsides. Rolled and tipped. I would say preparation played a part
here. The pictures say it all.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/radicalcy/album?.dir=/c264&.src=ph&.tok=ph2syDDB7rlO9BDa


HJ
dnjost wrote:

>Gary,
>
>I just repainted my Pointy Skiff with High Gloss Exterior Latex Alkyd
>Enamel from Home Despot.
>
>It is not as high gloss as a traditional oil paint such as Kirby's or
>as fancy as Interlux. But...the cost was worth it.
>
>I will give the group a mid season report in August. I suspect that
>it will not be as durable in the long run, but it is so easy to apply
>and clean up it was worth it. My 10 year old daughter chose the color
>from the paint cards (dangerous thing to teach young girls, that any
>color can be made!) and I had her paint the hull. I hope to take some
>photos tomorrow of Pointy Skiff in action. One of the fellows at Edey
>and Duff commented on how attractive the skiff was and wondered where
>we got it! Not a bad compliment for a boat that is 15 years old and
>was formerly plywood, now a composite, ;-0
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>David Jost
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Home Depot sells Behr paint. Porch and garage latex paint can be mixed
in ANY color of their line.
Bob Chamberland
snip
> I'm itching to try some porch and garage floor paint, but the only
> color I've found locally is . . . grey.
>
> Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <davidjost@v...> wrote:
One of the fellows at Edey
> and Duff commented on how attractive the skiff was and wondered
where
> we got it! Not a bad compliment for a boat that is 15 years old and
> was formerly plywood, now a composite, ;-0
>
> David Jost


Good on ya David! And good to get your daughter involved with the
painting.Next,you have to get her familiar with wood working tools so
she can give you a hand on your next building project :-)

Sincerely,

Peter "the helperless" Lenihan,from along the shores of the mighty
St.Lawrence...........
Gary,

I just repainted my Pointy Skiff with High Gloss Exterior Latex Alkyd
Enamel from Home Despot.

It is not as high gloss as a traditional oil paint such as Kirby's or
as fancy as Interlux. But...the cost was worth it.

I will give the group a mid season report in August. I suspect that
it will not be as durable in the long run, but it is so easy to apply
and clean up it was worth it. My 10 year old daughter chose the color
from the paint cards (dangerous thing to teach young girls, that any
color can be made!) and I had her paint the hull. I hope to take some
photos tomorrow of Pointy Skiff in action. One of the fellows at Edey
and Duff commented on how attractive the skiff was and wondered where
we got it! Not a bad compliment for a boat that is 15 years old and
was formerly plywood, now a composite, ;-0

David Jost
Nope, PreKote isn't the hi-build primer, it's the normal primer for
Brightsides and needs to be sanded to translucence before painting over.


Paul Esterle - Freelance Boating Writer
Columbia 10.7/Matilda 20
North East MD
www.captnpauley.com
pages.preferred.com/~pesterle/
In one of his books, PCB advocated painting the topsides with aluminum
paint. It would be very cheap and go well with grey...

Howard

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gbship" <gbship@c...> wrote:
.... > I'm itching to try some porch and garage floor paint, but the
only color I've found locally is . . . grey.
>
> Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "coach10x" <coach10x@y...> wrote:
> Howdy all, I am building a Micro Trawler, and am wondering about
> painting it. I faxed Phil Bolger, he suggested I ask here. I am
> wondering about using exterior latex paint on the hull and wheel
> house. Has anyone had any experience with using latex on a boat? If
> so, any problems or any thing I need to watch out for.
>
> Thanks, Stephen

Good question, and I've enjoyed the responses. I've not used latex on
hulls, but have used it on cabins and decks, with mostly good
results. It is better than the old marine enamel paint previously
used, which had to be redone after 3 years. The deck on the large
boat was done more than four years ago with latex and looks good with
no wear. One nice thing is it's easy to touch up dings and nicks. The
only problems I've had is twice on cockpit floors (of smaller boats)
it has peeled up, but I suspect in both cases I didn't sand the epoxy
well enough and didn't properly prime before applying the finish
coats. (Okay, I know I didn't prep well enough in one case, but don't
remember what I did in the other.) It has stood up well in high
traffic areas both on deck and in the cabin of the 30-footer.

I'm itching to try some porch and garage floor paint, but the only
color I've found locally is . . . grey.

Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> Polyamide Epoxy Hi-Build Gloss Coating M36/M39
>
> ...as a primer? From what I see on the BenjMo website
> it is called a 'coating'.



Hi Bruce,
Yup,that is what it is called
but,after using the stuff and comparing it with the Interlux Inter-
protect(used on the Micro"LESTAT"),it appears to be the same
composition and is every bit as"thick",thus my use of it as a "high-
build" primer.Not what Benjamin-Moore suggests.......but then again
their definition of "coating" may be somewhat more then
Internationals definition of"high-build" :-)

>
> I know you have said before, but could you say again
> what paint you use for a topcoat?

Interlux "Brightside",with Teflon,applied with a foam brush.Really
sweet and worth it just for out-n-out durability...at least up here
in Montreal's climate and non-saltwater use ;-)

Sincerely,

Peter"the sanding fool" Lenihan..................
> yes...and this too;
>http://www.benjaminmoore.com/wrapper_pg3.asp?
> L=prod&K=indcoat&groupid=32&productid=157#article

Polyamide Epoxy Hi-Build Gloss Coating M36/M39

...as a primer? From what I see on the BenjMo website
it is called a 'coating'.

I know you have said before, but could you say again
what paint you use for a topcoat?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > Go with a "high build" primer whenever possible
> > Peter Lenihan
>
> That would be Interlux Pre-Koat
>
>http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/xrefintprekote.asp

yes...and this too;
http://www.benjaminmoore.com/wrapper_pg3.asp?
L=prod&K=indcoat&groupid=32&productid=157#article
> Go with a "high build" primer whenever possible
> Peter Lenihan

That would be Interlux Pre-Koat

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/xrefintprekote.asp
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, eheins@c... wrote:
> I'm sory folks, I know it's expensive, but I used Interlux Brightside
> polyurethane on the Chebacco, ( hatteras off white) top and (sapphire
> blue)bottom. I figured that after seven years of labor it was worth
a $25
> per quart paint. The upside is that it wears like iron and rolls or
> brushes on so smooth that it almost looks sprayed.
> The downside is that it costs $25 a quart.......


Let's see now, $25.00 a quart=seven years of trouble free
beauty....hardly sounds like a"downside" to me considering all the
labour saved during those seven years of not having to keep up a
lesser paint system with all the attendant sanding-scraping-re-
painting each Spring.:-)

Prep,prep and prep some more as per instructions on can and do not be
stingy with the product.Go with a "high build" primer whenever
possible and do the sanding between coats etc......sure,it is tedious
work but the "pro" finish with impress and dazzle all detractors for
years to come and you with be burdened with the unfortunate task of
taking in all those compliments ad nauseum.....


Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who really believes painting is MUCH easier and cheaper
then building can ever be provided you avoid the dumpster-diving
approach to boat building in the first place.:-D
-Brightsides paint is fine. Some caveats. If you use Brightside primer
read the directions on the can. It says to sand to "translucence". In
effect you want to sand almost all of the primer off. I had problems
with blistering on the deck of my Bobcat. In conversation with the
folks at International Paint I was told that Br. primer has
microballoons which can absorb moisture through the finish. Also the
finish takes weeks to fully cure and until then it is vulnerable.

The real advantage of Brightsides over latex is the high gloss. The
high gloss can be a disadvantage in that it is easily marred and
really can't be "patched". A whole panel has to be refinished. High
gloss also shows every wart in your prep; sanding marks, nicks,
insufficient sanding etc.

It doesn't necessarily follow that "Cheap paint is for cheap boats". A
latex finish can be well done. The only real disadvantage to latex is
the lack of the very high gloss that is available with marine paints.
I rather like the low gloss (but not flat) finish.
I've use the two part Interlux, Brightsides, Easypoxy, Latex from
Sears and Latex from Behr. I am using latex for my current project and
it is a great finish.
Bob Chamberland

-- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> You are right of course, cheap paint is for cheap boats. Its a waste to
> try and save money on the finish of a boat you have many hours in
> constructing and I would presume first class materials.
>
> The Interlux brightsides has had many positive comments on other lists
> and is a lot easier and safer to use than the next step up, the two
part
> polyureathanes. The high build primer gets good reviews also, did you
> use it?
>
> HJ
>
> eheins@c... wrote:
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> >I'm sory folks, I know it's expensive, but I used Interlux Brightside
> >polyurethane on the Chebacco, ( hatteras off white) top and (sapphire
> >blue)bottom. I figured that after seven years of labor it was
worth a $25
> >per quart paint. The upside is that it wears like iron and rolls or
> >brushes on so smooth that it almost looks sprayed.
> >The downside is that it costs $25 a quart.......
> >
> >
> >
> >>I've used exterior latex on a small boat before - it works, but it is
> >>not my favorite. I prefer oil based porch and deck enamel for a low
> >>cost paint. It seems more durable than the latex at not much more
> >>expense.
> >>
> >>Bill
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I've used both the primer and the Brightside finish products. Actually I think the high build primer is one of the best buys out there. It has covered many of my wood butcher mistakes that I'd have otherwise spent a lot of time and sandpaper trying to prep. It dries fast and is really easy to work. The Brightside's finish coats especially in dark colors seems a bit thin in application, but once on with a couple coats seems to do a great job. Mind you, I was covering a white hull with a dark blue paint so several coats was probably not out of the question.

I'm not sure if Boudicea was built with the absolute best materials, it's some real nice A/B ply and a lot of Raka and cloth, and a boatload of Ebay hardware pieces & parts, but any job requiring a significant amount of labor and that you hope to get many years of service from I think is worth protecting well.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Paint Questons


The Interlux brightsides has had many positive comments on other lists
and is a lot easier and safer to use than the next step up, the two part
polyureathanes. The high build primer gets good reviews also, did you
use it?

HJ

eheins@...wrote:

>I'm sory folks, I know it's expensive, but I used Interlux Brightside
>polyurethane on the Chebacco,

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You are right of course, cheap paint is for cheap boats. Its a waste to
try and save money on the finish of a boat you have many hours in
constructing and I would presume first class materials.

The Interlux brightsides has had many positive comments on other lists
and is a lot easier and safer to use than the next step up, the two part
polyureathanes. The high build primer gets good reviews also, did you
use it?

HJ

eheins@...wrote:

>I'm sory folks, I know it's expensive, but I used Interlux Brightside
>polyurethane on the Chebacco, ( hatteras off white) top and (sapphire
>blue)bottom. I figured that after seven years of labor it was worth a $25
>per quart paint. The upside is that it wears like iron and rolls or
>brushes on so smooth that it almost looks sprayed.
>The downside is that it costs $25 a quart.......
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>>I've used exterior latex on a small boat before - it works, but it is
>>not my favorite. I prefer oil based porch and deck enamel for a low
>>cost paint. It seems more durable than the latex at not much more
>>expense.
>>
>>Bill
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>>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "coach10x" >coach10x@y...< wrote:
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In a message dated 5/25/05 3:38:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
jhkohnen@...writes:

> The home improvement store also carried Ace polyurethane
> reinforced alkyd enamel porch paint, which might be just as good, or close
> enough, to the brand name stuff and was a bit cheaper.

I used ACE porch & deck alkyd enamel on my last project. It took two-three
coats to cover unprimed wood. It seemed to be very slow curing. It had adhesive
properties that I think are quite remarkable. It is not as glossy as oil-based
boat paints. It seems very durable underfoot.

I bought a gallon of ACE's best alkyd exterior primer for my current project.
I used it to prime my building table. It did not prove to be the best choice,
as it cures really hard. Not gummy, but just a very hard surface that
challenges sandpaper. I still plan to use it on the boat, but I've switched to the
cheapest ACE flat interior latex for resurfacing my building table between
layouts.

Supposing, quite hypothetically, that my current project turns out so well
that I might want a "yacht-like" finish, does anyone have any experience in
using oil-based paint over a latex-based primer?

Ciao for Niao,
Bill in MN


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I have had pretty good successs with exterior latex, both rolled and
sprayed. This is in more Northern climes. I will email you a photo of my
Gull with exterior latex if you want. Proper priming helps a lot and you
have to wait for it to dry properly.

HJ

coach10x wrote:

>Howdy all, I am building a Micro Trawler, and am wondering about
>painting it. I faxed Phil Bolger, he suggested I ask here. I am
>wondering about using exterior latex paint on the hull and wheel
>house. Has anyone had any experience with using latex on a boat? If
>so, any problems or any thing I need to watch out for.
>
>Thanks, Stephen
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On 5/25/05,jhkohnen@...<jhkohnen@...> wrote:
> Brightsides is good paint. It's a polyurethane reinforced alkyd enamel.

Does Sherwin Williams make a paint like this?

http://www2.sherwin-williams.com/Architects/specguide/products.asp
Brightsides is good paint. It's a polyurethane reinforced alkyd enamel. A
few years ago I was browsing through a local home improvement store when I
noticed a polyurethane reinforced alkyd enamel porch paint (I don't recall
the brand) for $11 a quart. I bought some and painted the plywood
floorboards of my skiff. It went on nice, looks good, and has stood up well
to me stomping around on it, and scrubbing the floorboards once or twice a
year. I think a good porch paint is the way to go for those of us who want a
niver finish than latex house paint, but don't want to splurge on fancy
yacht paint. The home improvement store also carried Ace polyurethane
reinforced alkyd enamel porch paint, which might be just as good, or close
enough, to the brand name stuff and was a bit cheaper. BTW, a gallon of the
brand name porch paint cost about the same as a quart of Brightsides!

On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:30:41 -0400 (EDT), Bill wrote:
> I'm sory folks, I know it's expensive, but I used Interlux Brightside
> polyurethane on the Chebacco, ( hatteras off white) top and (sapphire
> blue)bottom. I figured that after seven years of labor it was worth a $25
> per quart paint. The upside is that it wears like iron and rolls or
> brushes on so smooth that it almost looks sprayed.
> The downside is that it costs $25 a quart.......

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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "coach10x" <coach10x@y...> wrote:
> Howdy all, I am building a Micro Trawler, and am wondering about
> painting it. I faxed Phil Bolger, he suggested I ask here. I am
> wondering about using exterior latex paint on the hull and wheel
> house. Has anyone had any experience with using latex on a boat? If
> so, any problems or any thing I need to watch out for.
>
> Thanks, Stephen

I too had tried latex but found it a bit soft, and have since used
floor and porch enamel on a couple Gypsys. It has given a good finish
that is quite durable. it is also economical compaired with the
polyurethane paints, and nearly as durable.

Scott
I'm sory folks, I know it's expensive, but I used Interlux Brightside
polyurethane on the Chebacco, ( hatteras off white) top and (sapphire
blue)bottom. I figured that after seven years of labor it was worth a $25
per quart paint. The upside is that it wears like iron and rolls or
brushes on so smooth that it almost looks sprayed.
The downside is that it costs $25 a quart.......

> I've used exterior latex on a small boat before - it works, but it is
> not my favorite. I prefer oil based porch and deck enamel for a low
> cost paint. It seems more durable than the latex at not much more
> expense.
>
> Bill
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "coach10x" >coach10x@y...< wrote:
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> Has anyone had any experience with using latex on a boat?

I have used latex, and it works 'pretty good' and is appropriate
depending upon your quality standards. Still, on my boats (that I
care more about), I used cheap oil based house paint over tinted epoxy.

It hasn't peeled, but scratches through the paint are hard to see
because of the tinting of the epoxy below.

You will get lots of varied advice from boat builders around
here, but I bet the best advice you might get would be from
some professional painters.

Such as: a good paint job requires good prep, etc..
I've used exterior latex on a small boat before - it works, but it is
not my favorite. I prefer oil based porch and deck enamel for a low
cost paint. It seems more durable than the latex at not much more
expense.

Bill

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "coach10x" <coach10x@y...> wrote:
Has anyone had any experience with using latex on a boat?
Howdy all, I am building a Micro Trawler, and am wondering about
painting it. I faxed Phil Bolger, he suggested I ask here. I am
wondering about using exterior latex paint on the hull and wheel
house. Has anyone had any experience with using latex on a boat? If
so, any problems or any thing I need to watch out for.

Thanks, Stephen