Re: [bolger] Re: Paint Questions
Hi Jon
In my motorcycling days I was restoring an old Ariel
and my friend Dave a couple of Royal Enfield V-Twins.
Because powder epoxy provides a durable finish we had
arranged to have the frames and some other items
coated at a price which included the initial
shotblasting.Dave decided to go one better and have
his stuff shotblasted and zinc coated locally before
we took everything off to be epoxied.Mine came out
alright,his blistered badly and had to have everything
blasted off and redone.I just wondered if other forms
of epoxy reacted badly to zinc.
Cheers
Andy Airey
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson"
<willsamson@y...> wrote:
epoxy, whatever.
about epoxy coating.
Good old vinager is a good cleaner and surface prep
for galvanized
sheetmetal then rinse and let dry as far as epoxy over
it no clue
Jon
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In my motorcycling days I was restoring an old Ariel
and my friend Dave a couple of Royal Enfield V-Twins.
Because powder epoxy provides a durable finish we had
arranged to have the frames and some other items
coated at a price which included the initial
shotblasting.Dave decided to go one better and have
his stuff shotblasted and zinc coated locally before
we took everything off to be epoxied.Mine came out
alright,his blistered badly and had to have everything
blasted off and redone.I just wondered if other forms
of epoxy reacted badly to zinc.
Cheers
Andy Airey
--- "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...> wrote:
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson"
<willsamson@y...> wrote:
> Fresh galvanizing is very oily and nothing willstick to it - paint,
epoxy, whatever.
>but I don't know
> After a year or so's weathering, it can be painted,
about epoxy coating.
>iron?
> Just wondering the reason for epoxying galvanized
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> Bill
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
Good old vinager is a good cleaner and surface prep
for galvanized
sheetmetal then rinse and let dry as far as epoxy over
it no clue
Jon
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Will Samson" <willsamson@y...> wrote:
sheetmetal then rinse and let dry as far as epoxy over it no clue
Jon
> Fresh galvanizing is very oily and nothing will stick to it - paint,epoxy, whatever.
>about epoxy coating.
> After a year or so's weathering, it can be painted, but I don't know
>Good old vinager is a good cleaner and surface prep for galvanized
> Just wondering the reason for epoxying galvanized iron?
>
> Bill
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
sheetmetal then rinse and let dry as far as epoxy over it no clue
Jon
Fresh galvanizing is very oily and nothing will stick to it - paint, epoxy, whatever.
After a year or so's weathering, it can be painted, but I don't know about epoxy coating.
Just wondering the reason for epoxying galvanized iron?
Bill
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
After a year or so's weathering, it can be painted, but I don't know about epoxy coating.
Just wondering the reason for epoxying galvanized iron?
Bill
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I can't speak to epoxy, but it is pretty hard to get
anything to stick to galvinized metal. Talk to a
painter or a sheet metal shop and call the
manufacturer of your epoxy for good measure. They
probably have an 800 number.
Phil Smith
--- ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
anything to stick to galvinized metal. Talk to a
painter or a sheet metal shop and call the
manufacturer of your epoxy for good measure. They
probably have an 800 number.
Phil Smith
--- ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
> Has anybody had any proble4ms with using epoxy over___________________________________________________________
> galvanised steel.I know from personal experience
> that
> powder epoxy doesn't like it but that may be because
> it is heated after coating
> Cheers
> Andy Airey
> ---RKAMILS@...wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> There is one latex paint I have not seen mentioned.
> As I am within a month (I hope!) of starting to
> paint
> parts of my Bantam, the
> ongoing paint discussion has held my interest. I am
> thinking of using the
> system three water based epoxy also. I agree with
> the
> ones that can't see using
> an iffy paint after spending so much time building.
> At least on the hull and
> deck.
> The paint is Rustoleum Painters Touch. It sells for
> $6.00 a Qt at Menards.
> It does not paint like the typical house latex, and
> is
> not designed for
> houses. They advertise it for such things as
> repainting bicycles, lawn furniture,
> etc. When brushing or rolling it, it goes on much
> like the modified single
> part urethanes, which are really oil based enamels.
> It dries hard unlike the
> house latex paints. There are also Painters Touch
> primers. I am going to use it
> on the interior.
> I painted a 17' aluminum boat hull with it 2 1/2
> years
> ago. I also painted a
> hardtop I made for the boat, 1/8" ply/1" foam
> sandwich, glassed. So far it
> has held up fine, except where I have been careless
> and scraped the dock. The
> nice thing about this is that you can also buy it in
> spray cans, so touch up
> is a snap. The hardtop has seen more abuse, as it
> did
> not work out on the boat,
> as the wind would get underneath and about capsize
> it.
> It has spent the last
> two years sitting outside year round in northern
> Minnesota winters and the
> paint surface is still good. One of the nice things
> about latex is that it
> STICKS to aluminum, galvanized metal, and dries
> quickly on epoxy, unlike oil
> enamels.
> Granted, this is still not enough of a test as far
> as
> I am concerned, and why
> I'm not going to use it on the Bantam hull
> (stretched
> to 22'). However, if
> anyone is making something quick and simple like a
> dingy, It would be worth a
> try just for the experiment. $6.00 a qt!
>
> Bob, who is still having to use electric heaters to
> get the epoxy to cure
> here in Duluth. Where is summer?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
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Has anybody had any proble4ms with using epoxy over
galvanised steel.I know from personal experience that
powder epoxy doesn't like it but that may be because
it is heated after coating
Cheers
Andy Airey
---RKAMILS@...wrote:
---------------------------------
There is one latex paint I have not seen mentioned.
As I am within a month (I hope!) of starting to paint
parts of my Bantam, the
ongoing paint discussion has held my interest. I am
thinking of using the
system three water based epoxy also. I agree with the
ones that can't see using
an iffy paint after spending so much time building.
At least on the hull and
deck.
The paint is Rustoleum Painters Touch. It sells for
$6.00 a Qt at Menards.
It does not paint like the typical house latex, and is
not designed for
houses. They advertise it for such things as
repainting bicycles, lawn furniture,
etc. When brushing or rolling it, it goes on much
like the modified single
part urethanes, which are really oil based enamels.
It dries hard unlike the
house latex paints. There are also Painters Touch
primers. I am going to use it
on the interior.
I painted a 17' aluminum boat hull with it 2 1/2 years
ago. I also painted a
hardtop I made for the boat, 1/8" ply/1" foam
sandwich, glassed. So far it
has held up fine, except where I have been careless
and scraped the dock. The
nice thing about this is that you can also buy it in
spray cans, so touch up
is a snap. The hardtop has seen more abuse, as it did
not work out on the boat,
as the wind would get underneath and about capsize it.
It has spent the last
two years sitting outside year round in northern
Minnesota winters and the
paint surface is still good. One of the nice things
about latex is that it
STICKS to aluminum, galvanized metal, and dries
quickly on epoxy, unlike oil
enamels.
Granted, this is still not enough of a test as far as
I am concerned, and why
I'm not going to use it on the Bantam hull (stretched
to 22'). However, if
anyone is making something quick and simple like a
dingy, It would be worth a
try just for the experiment. $6.00 a qt!
Bob, who is still having to use electric heaters to
get the epoxy to cure
here in Duluth. Where is summer?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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galvanised steel.I know from personal experience that
powder epoxy doesn't like it but that may be because
it is heated after coating
Cheers
Andy Airey
---RKAMILS@...wrote:
---------------------------------
There is one latex paint I have not seen mentioned.
As I am within a month (I hope!) of starting to paint
parts of my Bantam, the
ongoing paint discussion has held my interest. I am
thinking of using the
system three water based epoxy also. I agree with the
ones that can't see using
an iffy paint after spending so much time building.
At least on the hull and
deck.
The paint is Rustoleum Painters Touch. It sells for
$6.00 a Qt at Menards.
It does not paint like the typical house latex, and is
not designed for
houses. They advertise it for such things as
repainting bicycles, lawn furniture,
etc. When brushing or rolling it, it goes on much
like the modified single
part urethanes, which are really oil based enamels.
It dries hard unlike the
house latex paints. There are also Painters Touch
primers. I am going to use it
on the interior.
I painted a 17' aluminum boat hull with it 2 1/2 years
ago. I also painted a
hardtop I made for the boat, 1/8" ply/1" foam
sandwich, glassed. So far it
has held up fine, except where I have been careless
and scraped the dock. The
nice thing about this is that you can also buy it in
spray cans, so touch up
is a snap. The hardtop has seen more abuse, as it did
not work out on the boat,
as the wind would get underneath and about capsize it.
It has spent the last
two years sitting outside year round in northern
Minnesota winters and the
paint surface is still good. One of the nice things
about latex is that it
STICKS to aluminum, galvanized metal, and dries
quickly on epoxy, unlike oil
enamels.
Granted, this is still not enough of a test as far as
I am concerned, and why
I'm not going to use it on the Bantam hull (stretched
to 22'). However, if
anyone is making something quick and simple like a
dingy, It would be worth a
try just for the experiment. $6.00 a qt!
Bob, who is still having to use electric heaters to
get the epoxy to cure
here in Duluth. Where is summer?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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There is one latex paint I have not seen mentioned.
As I am within a month (I hope!) of starting to paint parts of my Bantam, the
ongoing paint discussion has held my interest. I am thinking of using the
system three water based epoxy also. I agree with the ones that can't see using
an iffy paint after spending so much time building. At least on the hull and
deck.
The paint is Rustoleum Painters Touch. It sells for $6.00 a Qt at Menards.
It does not paint like the typical house latex, and is not designed for
houses. They advertise it for such things as repainting bicycles, lawn furniture,
etc. When brushing or rolling it, it goes on much like the modified single
part urethanes, which are really oil based enamels. It dries hard unlike the
house latex paints. There are also Painters Touch primers. I am going to use it
on the interior.
I painted a 17' aluminum boat hull with it 2 1/2 years ago. I also painted a
hardtop I made for the boat, 1/8" ply/1" foam sandwich, glassed. So far it
has held up fine, except where I have been careless and scraped the dock. The
nice thing about this is that you can also buy it in spray cans, so touch up
is a snap. The hardtop has seen more abuse, as it did not work out on the boat,
as the wind would get underneath and about capsize it. It has spent the last
two years sitting outside year round in northern Minnesota winters and the
paint surface is still good. One of the nice things about latex is that it
STICKS to aluminum, galvanized metal, and dries quickly on epoxy, unlike oil
enamels.
Granted, this is still not enough of a test as far as I am concerned, and why
I'm not going to use it on the Bantam hull (stretched to 22'). However, if
anyone is making something quick and simple like a dingy, It would be worth a
try just for the experiment. $6.00 a qt!
Bob, who is still having to use electric heaters to get the epoxy to cure
here in Duluth. Where is summer?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
As I am within a month (I hope!) of starting to paint parts of my Bantam, the
ongoing paint discussion has held my interest. I am thinking of using the
system three water based epoxy also. I agree with the ones that can't see using
an iffy paint after spending so much time building. At least on the hull and
deck.
The paint is Rustoleum Painters Touch. It sells for $6.00 a Qt at Menards.
It does not paint like the typical house latex, and is not designed for
houses. They advertise it for such things as repainting bicycles, lawn furniture,
etc. When brushing or rolling it, it goes on much like the modified single
part urethanes, which are really oil based enamels. It dries hard unlike the
house latex paints. There are also Painters Touch primers. I am going to use it
on the interior.
I painted a 17' aluminum boat hull with it 2 1/2 years ago. I also painted a
hardtop I made for the boat, 1/8" ply/1" foam sandwich, glassed. So far it
has held up fine, except where I have been careless and scraped the dock. The
nice thing about this is that you can also buy it in spray cans, so touch up
is a snap. The hardtop has seen more abuse, as it did not work out on the boat,
as the wind would get underneath and about capsize it. It has spent the last
two years sitting outside year round in northern Minnesota winters and the
paint surface is still good. One of the nice things about latex is that it
STICKS to aluminum, galvanized metal, and dries quickly on epoxy, unlike oil
enamels.
Granted, this is still not enough of a test as far as I am concerned, and why
I'm not going to use it on the Bantam hull (stretched to 22'). However, if
anyone is making something quick and simple like a dingy, It would be worth a
try just for the experiment. $6.00 a qt!
Bob, who is still having to use electric heaters to get the epoxy to cure
here in Duluth. Where is summer?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I used water based System Three primer and finish coat on my Wineglass
Wherry in 1996. Other than some dulling it has only come off where I
damaged it. Sys 3 says it takes 24hrs to cure and a light rain washed
some of mine off before I could get the boat back under cover. It
didn't hurt the finish at all but it took forever for it to wear off my
feet and my toenails were green until they grew out. Clyde
William King wrote:
Wherry in 1996. Other than some dulling it has only come off where I
damaged it. Sys 3 says it takes 24hrs to cure and a light rain washed
some of mine off before I could get the boat back under cover. It
didn't hurt the finish at all but it took forever for it to wear off my
feet and my toenails were green until they grew out. Clyde
William King wrote:
> Stephen,
> When I built my Bolger Gypsy (ten years ago) I used System Three epoxy,
> primer, and paint.
> After ten years of sitting outside, and sailing, the boat hasn't required
> any weather related
> touchup, or repainting. I imagine that I'll have to repaint her in a
> couple
> more years. My Long
Stephen,
When I built my Bolger Gypsy (ten years ago) I used System Three epoxy,
primer, and paint.
After ten years of sitting outside, and sailing, the boat hasn't required
any weather related
touchup, or repainting. I imagine that I'll have to repaint her in a couple
more years. My Long
Micro (which I'm currently building) is getting the same System Three
treatment. I'm confident
that the paint will hold up for a long time. [I'm not associated with
System Three, just a happy customer].
My experience with other paints involve my wooden-shingled house. Yeah, I
know, it's not a boat and it's not coated in fiberglass or epoxy. But it
sits outside in the rain and sun. I've painted plywood, and wood shingles
with oil-based primer and a latex top-coat. And within five years, or
less, I'm back doing a little touchup painting here and there. I would be
much more concerned if these house parts were routinely dipped in water
(like a boat might).
I realize that everyone has to weigh the costs and benefits of the painting
system they'll use and that the costs of latex paint are attractive. I
wouldn't consider painting a boat with it.
Just my $.02
Bill, in Ohio
When I built my Bolger Gypsy (ten years ago) I used System Three epoxy,
primer, and paint.
After ten years of sitting outside, and sailing, the boat hasn't required
any weather related
touchup, or repainting. I imagine that I'll have to repaint her in a couple
more years. My Long
Micro (which I'm currently building) is getting the same System Three
treatment. I'm confident
that the paint will hold up for a long time. [I'm not associated with
System Three, just a happy customer].
My experience with other paints involve my wooden-shingled house. Yeah, I
know, it's not a boat and it's not coated in fiberglass or epoxy. But it
sits outside in the rain and sun. I've painted plywood, and wood shingles
with oil-based primer and a latex top-coat. And within five years, or
less, I'm back doing a little touchup painting here and there. I would be
much more concerned if these house parts were routinely dipped in water
(like a boat might).
I realize that everyone has to weigh the costs and benefits of the painting
system they'll use and that the costs of latex paint are attractive. I
wouldn't consider painting a boat with it.
Just my $.02
Bill, in Ohio
>Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:36:24 -0000
> From: "coach10x" <coach10x@...>
>Subject: Paint Questons
>
>Howdy all, I am building a Micro Trawler, and am wondering about
>painting it. I faxed Phil Bolger, he suggested I ask here. I am
>wondering about using exterior latex paint on the hull and wheel
>house. Has anyone had any experience with using latex on a boat? If
>so, any problems or any thing I need to watch out for.
>
>Thanks, Stephen