Re: Bolger Raceboats
> The idea was to build two of them, so they could be day-raced againstWhich reminds us of the 40' Gloucester schooner drawn for a similar
> each other, with the passengers encouraged to bet on the outcome
> of the race.
scheme. A very sweet boat. Somewhere it picked up a design name that
is not in the book (BWAOM?), but I don't remember what it is.
Peter
Yes, although I think the original post referred to sailing dinghies.
Another notable Bolger racer, never built,is the Pari-Mutuel Schooner
Project out of "The Folding Schooner". It's a steel sharpie, 120' LOD,
with a five-masted schooner rig and seats on deck for 112 passengers.
The idea was to build two of them, so they could be day-raced against
each other, with the passengers encouraged to bet on the outcome of the
race.
Howard
Another notable Bolger racer, never built,is the Pari-Mutuel Schooner
Project out of "The Folding Schooner". It's a steel sharpie, 120' LOD,
with a five-masted schooner rig and seats on deck for 112 passengers.
The idea was to build two of them, so they could be day-raced against
each other, with the passengers encouraged to bet on the outcome of the
race.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
> Also the OSTAR racers!
Also the OSTAR racers!
It's one of very few Bolger boats designed to fit a set of racing
rules. Designed displacement indicates a crew of two, I think.
Howard
rules. Designed displacement indicates a crew of two, I think.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I noticed that someone asked if Bolger had ever designed any racing
> sailboats.
>
> The only one I can think of is this one from 1950. She's a bit
larger
> than I remembered at 24'6" x 19'6" x 6'1" with 196 sq.ft sail area
in a
> bermudian cat rig, set high on the mast.
>
> I've scanned the page from the August 1950 issue of the Rudder
Magazine
> and put the scan in the files section of Bolger5
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/bolger5/files/
Peter,
what you say is most likely true!!
The 30' wl or so ( I think about 45' OA) length boat that you refer to is probably "Hesperus" featured in "30 Odd Boats"- I think, the most novel feature of this boat was all it's inside cabinetry could be quickly and easily removed so you could hose the interior out after an ocean-crossing race to remove all the accumulated gunk-grunge and smell!
The point I was trying to make about the "15 Rater" Rudder Rule design was that it was probably Bolger's first design specifically for racing. Whatever happened to this class....who knows?. The design looks pretty uncompromising in 2D, but in the round, I'd bet she'd look pretty good..... If you like reverse sheers!!!?
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
PS. Looking through my Grandfather's old "Rudder" magazines I've discovered quite a number of old Bolger designs from the early - late '50s. Some of these look quite radical for their time, their looks would hold up today and into the future because they're absoloutely classic!.... mostly round-bottomed power boats though!
pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
ocean racer. About 30' on the water, as I recall.
He sketched an entry for John Marples 10' trimaran class. Probably not
a finished design.
The Pirate Racer is a - wait for it - racer, too, though with unusual
rules.(Yes I've seen a picture of a small fleet of them racing....somewhere on my internet browsing!)
Oh, and the Folding Schooner was designed expressly for the Gloucester
Schooner races.
In addition, quite a number of his boats were inspired by racing boats
even though the Bolger version was not a racer. For instance, Sparkler(Yes true but probably no match for the real thing regards speed, winward ability!)
(Lightning), Plywood 12 1/2 (Herreshoff 12 1/2), Tarantula
(International 110), Bobcat aka Tinycat (Beetle cat), a variant on the
Folkboat. He compares his Defender dinghy to a Alden racing dinghy.(Yes but not as fast due to being finer in the stern quarters)
Several writeups mention a lineage from the Montgomery v-bottom class.(Vanitie)
He designed some racing powerboats, too. In fact, history may judge
that Bolger made his biggest contributions to the art as a fast
powerboat designer, and his second biggest to methods for amateur ply
construction. His sailboats are innovative not in the sense of new
invention, but in the adaptation and combination of traditional
features. At least that's the way I see it.
Peter
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what you say is most likely true!!
The 30' wl or so ( I think about 45' OA) length boat that you refer to is probably "Hesperus" featured in "30 Odd Boats"- I think, the most novel feature of this boat was all it's inside cabinetry could be quickly and easily removed so you could hose the interior out after an ocean-crossing race to remove all the accumulated gunk-grunge and smell!
The point I was trying to make about the "15 Rater" Rudder Rule design was that it was probably Bolger's first design specifically for racing. Whatever happened to this class....who knows?. The design looks pretty uncompromising in 2D, but in the round, I'd bet she'd look pretty good..... If you like reverse sheers!!!?
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
PS. Looking through my Grandfather's old "Rudder" magazines I've discovered quite a number of old Bolger designs from the early - late '50s. Some of these look quite radical for their time, their looks would hold up today and into the future because they're absoloutely classic!.... mostly round-bottomed power boats though!
pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
> I noticed that someone asked if Bolger had ever designed any racingOnce of his books has a chapter on an entry in a design contest for a
> sailboats.
ocean racer. About 30' on the water, as I recall.
He sketched an entry for John Marples 10' trimaran class. Probably not
a finished design.
The Pirate Racer is a - wait for it - racer, too, though with unusual
rules.(Yes I've seen a picture of a small fleet of them racing....somewhere on my internet browsing!)
Oh, and the Folding Schooner was designed expressly for the Gloucester
Schooner races.
In addition, quite a number of his boats were inspired by racing boats
even though the Bolger version was not a racer. For instance, Sparkler(Yes true but probably no match for the real thing regards speed, winward ability!)
(Lightning), Plywood 12 1/2 (Herreshoff 12 1/2), Tarantula
(International 110), Bobcat aka Tinycat (Beetle cat), a variant on the
Folkboat. He compares his Defender dinghy to a Alden racing dinghy.(Yes but not as fast due to being finer in the stern quarters)
Several writeups mention a lineage from the Montgomery v-bottom class.(Vanitie)
He designed some racing powerboats, too. In fact, history may judge
that Bolger made his biggest contributions to the art as a fast
powerboat designer, and his second biggest to methods for amateur ply
construction. His sailboats are innovative not in the sense of new
invention, but in the adaptation and combination of traditional
features. At least that's the way I see it.
Peter
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> I noticed that someone asked if Bolger had ever designed any racingOnce of his books has a chapter on an entry in a design contest for a
> sailboats.
ocean racer. About 30' on the water, as I recall.
He sketched an entry for John Marples 10' trimaran class. Probably not
a finished design.
The Pirate Racer is a - wait for it - racer, too, though with unusual
rules.
Oh, and the Folding Schooner was designed expressly for the Gloucester
Schooner races.
In addition, quite a number of his boats were inspired by racing boats
even though the Bolger version was not a racer. For instance, Sparkler
(Lightning), Plywood 12 1/2 (Herreshoff 12 1/2), Tarantula
(International 110), Bobcat aka Tinycat (Beetle cat), a variant on the
Folkboat. He compares his Defender dinghy to a Alden racing dinghy.
Several writeups mention a lineage from the Montgomery v-bottom class.
He designed some racing powerboats, too. In fact, history may judge
that Bolger made his biggest contributions to the art as a fast
powerboat designer, and his second biggest to methods for amateur ply
construction. His sailboats are innovative not in the sense of new
invention, but in the adaptation and combination of traditional
features. At least that's the way I see it.
Peter
Hello,
I noticed that someone asked if Bolger had ever designed any racing
sailboats.
The only one I can think of is this one from 1950. She's a bit larger
than I remembered at 24'6" x 19'6" x 6'1" with 196 sq.ft sail area in a
bermudian cat rig, set high on the mast.
I've scanned the page from the August 1950 issue of the Rudder Magazine
and put the scan in the files section of Bolger5
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/bolger5/files/
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
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I noticed that someone asked if Bolger had ever designed any racing
sailboats.
The only one I can think of is this one from 1950. She's a bit larger
than I remembered at 24'6" x 19'6" x 6'1" with 196 sq.ft sail area in a
bermudian cat rig, set high on the mast.
I've scanned the page from the August 1950 issue of the Rudder Magazine
and put the scan in the files section of Bolger5
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/bolger5/files/
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://au.messenger.yahoo.com
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