Re: [bolger] Re: best way to order plans Or Buildng Costs and How to Guestimate
I have a friend in Britain who makes coracles out of
animal hides and sticks. Peter Faulknor would be happy
to make you one or to teach you how to do it.
Phil Smith
--- Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:
animal hides and sticks. Peter Faulknor would be happy
to make you one or to teach you how to do it.
Phil Smith
--- Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:
> There is a magazine for "wooden boat owners,
> builders and designers"
> and now a society for "metal boat builders, owners
> and buyers". Is
> anyone out there made of flesh and blood?
>
> Howard
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith
> <pbs@w...> wrote:
> > <http://www.metalboatsociety.com/festival.html>
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There is a magazine for "wooden boat owners, builders and designers"
and now a society for "metal boat builders, owners and buyers". Is
anyone out there made of flesh and blood?
Howard
and now a society for "metal boat builders, owners and buyers". Is
anyone out there made of flesh and blood?
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> <http://www.metalboatsociety.com/festival.html>
I don't have any special insight into what it is going
to cost to build a boat. Two boats built to the same
plans can have costs that are an order of magnitude
apart. Which you recognize in your "how long is a
piece of string" analogy.
There are rules of thumb about how much a foot of
waterline or a ton of displacement is going to cost
you. I've seen them but I don't know where they are
now.
George Beuhler <http://www.georgebuehler.com/> in
either his book or his design catalog, both of which
are good reading, says he began building one of his
boats with $50 in the bank. This is a boat that he
cruised to Mexico from Seattle. George is great for
getting yourself over the hump of indecision about
when to build your boat. Unfortunately some of his
designs will increase your indecision about which boat
to build.
George's designs all draw too much water for me. I
like PB&F's much better for their shallow draft and
other things. George's boats do look good, to my eye.
George has attended at least one of the Metal Boat
Society's annual meetings. This year it appears that
they've imported Dudly Dix from South Africa who also
has some interesting designs.
<http://www.metalboatsociety.com/festival.html>
George is an interesting guy and easy to talk to. As
I'm sure is Dudly Dix.
If you are interested in building a metal boat or just
thinking about it, the Metal Boat Society is for you.
Going to their Festival could save you a lot of head
aches, time and trouble, even if you do decide to
build a boat. It is also interesting to meet mere
humans who have built boats with out the intervention
of multinational compaies or magic, which is one of
the reasons we all hang out here.
Phil Smith
--- ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
to cost to build a boat. Two boats built to the same
plans can have costs that are an order of magnitude
apart. Which you recognize in your "how long is a
piece of string" analogy.
There are rules of thumb about how much a foot of
waterline or a ton of displacement is going to cost
you. I've seen them but I don't know where they are
now.
George Beuhler <http://www.georgebuehler.com/> in
either his book or his design catalog, both of which
are good reading, says he began building one of his
boats with $50 in the bank. This is a boat that he
cruised to Mexico from Seattle. George is great for
getting yourself over the hump of indecision about
when to build your boat. Unfortunately some of his
designs will increase your indecision about which boat
to build.
George's designs all draw too much water for me. I
like PB&F's much better for their shallow draft and
other things. George's boats do look good, to my eye.
George has attended at least one of the Metal Boat
Society's annual meetings. This year it appears that
they've imported Dudly Dix from South Africa who also
has some interesting designs.
<http://www.metalboatsociety.com/festival.html>
George is an interesting guy and easy to talk to. As
I'm sure is Dudly Dix.
If you are interested in building a metal boat or just
thinking about it, the Metal Boat Society is for you.
Going to their Festival could save you a lot of head
aches, time and trouble, even if you do decide to
build a boat. It is also interesting to meet mere
humans who have built boats with out the intervention
of multinational compaies or magic, which is one of
the reasons we all hang out here.
Phil Smith
--- ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
> Point taken Roger,although I don't currently have a
> problem with a SO.Although I know it's a 'how long
> is
> a piece of string' type question I would have
> thought
> that the basic materials quantities and specs ought
> to
> be available for the hull - which is what I would be
> after.Although most of the cost of the boat would be
> spread over the construction period I would have
> thought that the material cost for the hull would
> come
> in a fairly large lump at the beginning - certainly
> in
> the case of a steel hulled boat like Weston Martyr.
> Cheers
> Andy Airey
Point taken Roger,although I don't currently have a
problem with a SO.Although I know it's a 'how long is
a piece of string' type question I would have thought
that the basic materials quantities and specs ought to
be available for the hull - which is what I would be
after.Although most of the cost of the boat would be
spread over the construction period I would have
thought that the material cost for the hull would come
in a fairly large lump at the beginning - certainly in
the case of a steel hulled boat like Weston Martyr.
Cheers
Andy Airey
--- Roger Derby <derbyrm@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
And how would they know how many extra gallons of
epoxy you'd slather on?
Or how many pretty tools or jigs? House paint or
Marine? Tyvek sails or
North? Phosphor bronze or homemade wood fixtures?
You're building because you like to build boats and
it's a time payment plan
you work out with your SO.
A friend, building an airplane, said he had to set
aside twice the cost of
any part; e.g. carburetor, since she'd say "If you're
going to spend that on
that airplane, then I can spend that on the house."
Roger (The parts that end up in the boat are a small
percentage of the
total cost.)
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
problem with a SO.Although I know it's a 'how long is
a piece of string' type question I would have thought
that the basic materials quantities and specs ought to
be available for the hull - which is what I would be
after.Although most of the cost of the boat would be
spread over the construction period I would have
thought that the material cost for the hull would come
in a fairly large lump at the beginning - certainly in
the case of a steel hulled boat like Weston Martyr.
Cheers
Andy Airey
--- Roger Derby <derbyrm@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
And how would they know how many extra gallons of
epoxy you'd slather on?
Or how many pretty tools or jigs? House paint or
Marine? Tyvek sails or
North? Phosphor bronze or homemade wood fixtures?
You're building because you like to build boats and
it's a time payment plan
you work out with your SO.
A friend, building an airplane, said he had to set
aside twice the cost of
any part; e.g. carburetor, since she'd say "If you're
going to spend that on
that airplane, then I can spend that on the house."
Roger (The parts that end up in the boat are a small
percentage of the
total cost.)
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: "ANDREW AIREY" <andyairey@...>
> <snip> ... but I need a bit more information to
estimate
> costs which I would hope to get from a study plan.
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And how would they know how many extra gallons of epoxy you'd slather on?
Or how many pretty tools or jigs? House paint or Marine? Tyvek sails or
North? Phosphor bronze or homemade wood fixtures?
You're building because you like to build boats and it's a time payment plan
you work out with your SO.
A friend, building an airplane, said he had to set aside twice the cost of
any part; e.g. carburetor, since she'd say "If you're going to spend that on
that airplane, then I can spend that on the house."
Roger (The parts that end up in the boat are a small percentage of the
total cost.)
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
Or how many pretty tools or jigs? House paint or Marine? Tyvek sails or
North? Phosphor bronze or homemade wood fixtures?
You're building because you like to build boats and it's a time payment plan
you work out with your SO.
A friend, building an airplane, said he had to set aside twice the cost of
any part; e.g. carburetor, since she'd say "If you're going to spend that on
that airplane, then I can spend that on the house."
Roger (The parts that end up in the boat are a small percentage of the
total cost.)
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: "ANDREW AIREY" <andyairey@...>
> <snip> ... but I need a bit more information to estimate
> costs which I would hope to get from a study plan.
That's what they did with Weston Martyr but I need a
bit more information to estimate costs which I would
hope to get from a study plan.Suppose I could ask for
the specific information though
Cheers
Andy AIrey
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
xerox copy
of a magazine article about the boat you are
interested in,
typically from the magazine _Messing About in Boats_.
Also sometimes they will give you a color xerox of
any photos they might have a boat built to the plans.
[In addition to a short handwritten letter.]
I have never heard of them selling study plans.
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bit more information to estimate costs which I would
hope to get from a study plan.Suppose I could ask for
the specific information though
Cheers
Andy AIrey
--- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
> Do PB&F sell study plans?Typically they will give you a fax, or snail mail
xerox copy
of a magazine article about the boat you are
interested in,
typically from the magazine _Messing About in Boats_.
Also sometimes they will give you a color xerox of
any photos they might have a boat built to the plans.
[In addition to a short handwritten letter.]
I have never heard of them selling study plans.
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> Do PB&F sell study plans?Typically they will give you a fax, or snail mail xerox copy
of a magazine article about the boat you are interested in,
typically from the magazine _Messing About in Boats_.
Also sometimes they will give you a color xerox of
any photos they might have a boat built to the plans.
[In addition to a short handwritten letter.]
I have never heard of them selling study plans.
I think it took about 6 weeks when I wrote but the
letter contained a cartoon drawing of a shorter
alternative to weston martyr.Do PB&F sell study plans
I would like one for estimating purposes for Weston
Martyr
Cheers
Andy
--- mark <planzman@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
ok, I faxed them on monday, it thursday, have not
heard form them
maybe their cruising?
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wrote:
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letter contained a cartoon drawing of a shorter
alternative to weston martyr.Do PB&F sell study plans
I would like one for estimating purposes for Weston
Martyr
Cheers
Andy
--- mark <planzman@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
ok, I faxed them on monday, it thursday, have not
heard form them
maybe their cruising?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...>
wrote:
> In my experience if you write them a letter at thethey
> address below or you fax them an inquiry at the fax
> number below. If your fax gets there before noon
> eastern time on a normal work day you will almost
> surely get a fax back that same day. Letters are
> answered with equal alacrity and despatch.
>
> Phil Smith
>
> --- mark <planzman@y...> wrote:
>
> > I am considering ordering some plans from PB&F and
> > was wondering how.
> > Do you send money order, check or what? How do you
> > find out how much
> > plans are if now one will answer the phone? Do
> > mail you back,Bolger rules!!!
> > fax or call?
> >
> > anybody know.
> >
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> ok, I faxed them on monday, it thursday, have not heard form themThey could be cruising. Another common problem
>
> maybe their cruising?
is that your 'return fax number' is illegible or missing.
I usually use snail mail, and they have always
replied promptly.
I wasn't dis ing them, I am surprised that you can expect them to
respond in a few weeks. I just thought they might take some time to
relax and try out some of their stuff.
cheers
respond in a few weeks. I just thought they might take some time to
relax and try out some of their stuff.
cheers
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> Hey there now!
>
> Plans from the Bolgers?
>
> I think that they are really busy,
>
> I haven't had a response from Phil or Sussanne for over 18 months
or so now when I sent my last letter asking about the progress on
the design they are doing for me!@!!!!!!!
>
> Be patient, please....great art does'nt happen overnight...so to
speak!!!!!!!!!
>
> If you're in a hurry, buy some poorly designed mass produced
fibregalss or aluminium boat!!!!!!!!
>
> Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania,Australia.
> mark <planzman@y...> wrote:
> ok, I faxed them on monday, it thursday, have not heard form them
>
> maybe their cruising?
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> > In my experience if you write them a letter at the
> > address below or you fax them an inquiry at the fax
> > number below. If your fax gets there before noon
> > eastern time on a normal work day you will almost
> > surely get a fax back that same day. Letters are
> > answered with equal alacrity and despatch.
> >
> > Phil Smith
> >
> > --- mark <planzman@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > I am considering ordering some plans from PB&F and
> > > was wondering how.
> > > Do you send money order, check or what? How do you
> > > find out how much
> > > plans are if now one will answer the phone? Do they
> > > mail you back,
> > > fax or call?
> > >
> > > anybody know.
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
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Hey there now!
Plans from the Bolgers?
I think that they are really busy,
I haven't had a response from Phil or Sussanne for over 18 months or so now when I sent my last letter asking about the progress on the design they are doing for me!@!!!!!!!
Be patient, please....great art does'nt happen overnight...so to speak!!!!!!!!!
If you're in a hurry, buy some poorly designed mass produced fibregalss or aluminium boat!!!!!!!!
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania,Australia.
mark <planzman@...> wrote:
ok, I faxed them on monday, it thursday, have not heard form them
maybe their cruising?
Plans from the Bolgers?
I think that they are really busy,
I haven't had a response from Phil or Sussanne for over 18 months or so now when I sent my last letter asking about the progress on the design they are doing for me!@!!!!!!!
Be patient, please....great art does'nt happen overnight...so to speak!!!!!!!!!
If you're in a hurry, buy some poorly designed mass produced fibregalss or aluminium boat!!!!!!!!
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania,Australia.
mark <planzman@...> wrote:
ok, I faxed them on monday, it thursday, have not heard form them
maybe their cruising?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> In my experience if you write them a letter at the
> address below or you fax them an inquiry at the fax
> number below. If your fax gets there before noon
> eastern time on a normal work day you will almost
> surely get a fax back that same day. Letters are
> answered with equal alacrity and despatch.
>
> Phil Smith
>
> --- mark <planzman@y...> wrote:
>
> > I am considering ordering some plans from PB&F and
> > was wondering how.
> > Do you send money order, check or what? How do you
> > find out how much
> > plans are if now one will answer the phone? Do they
> > mail you back,
> > fax or call?
> >
> > anybody know.
> >
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ok, I faxed them on monday, it thursday, have not heard form them
maybe their cruising?
maybe their cruising?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Philip Smith <pbs@w...> wrote:
> In my experience if you write them a letter at the
> address below or you fax them an inquiry at the fax
> number below. If your fax gets there before noon
> eastern time on a normal work day you will almost
> surely get a fax back that same day. Letters are
> answered with equal alacrity and despatch.
>
> Phil Smith
>
> --- mark <planzman@y...> wrote:
>
> > I am considering ordering some plans from PB&F and
> > was wondering how.
> > Do you send money order, check or what? How do you
> > find out how much
> > plans are if now one will answer the phone? Do they
> > mail you back,
> > fax or call?
> >
> > anybody know.
> >
In my experience if you write them a letter at the
address below or you fax them an inquiry at the fax
number below. If your fax gets there before noon
eastern time on a normal work day you will almost
surely get a fax back that same day. Letters are
answered with equal alacrity and despatch.
Phil Smith
--- mark <planzman@...> wrote:
address below or you fax them an inquiry at the fax
number below. If your fax gets there before noon
eastern time on a normal work day you will almost
surely get a fax back that same day. Letters are
answered with equal alacrity and despatch.
Phil Smith
--- mark <planzman@...> wrote:
> I am considering ordering some plans from PB&F and
> was wondering how.
> Do you send money order, check or what? How do you
> find out how much
> plans are if now one will answer the phone? Do they
> mail you back,
> fax or call?
>
> anybody know.
>
I am considering ordering some plans from PB&F and was wondering how.
Do you send money order, check or what? How do you find out how much
plans are if now one will answer the phone? Do they mail you back,
fax or call?
anybody know.
Do you send money order, check or what? How do you find out how much
plans are if now one will answer the phone? Do they mail you back,
fax or call?
anybody know.