Re: folding schooner
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
simple metal deal with 2 holes which are to line up with holes on
the other half / keel, which is not easy to do when the boat is in
the water, for obvious reasons (you can't see it!)....thanks for all
your input / advise on launching / unfolding, etc......since I have
only had the boat a short time, and only had her in the water once
so far (due to work I was doing on it for the past 4-5 weeks!), I am
sure I will experiment further with better and easier methods for
the whole launching / unfolding, etc........the dolly idea might be
useful, but the ramps I usually go to, you can't linger long because
there are usually many boats in line waiting for their turn.....
It would be great if I could find someplace locally to keep the boat
in the water for a time, so I could do more sailing trials, etc....
Will try and get some pictures of the bracket and post them soon!
Thanks all, for great input / suggestions on this historic and very
interesting Bolger / Payson schooner!!
Cheers,
Jerry
wrote:
>I
> Hi Jerry,
>
> either way that is real boating history you're sailing! To think,
> may have a picture of your actual boat on the cover of a bookonly
> published 31 years ago! Do you plan any schooner racing later in
> August?
>
> I think you could fold/unfold that boat on the trailer if you had
> help - two, but three of you would be better. FS as designed is
> a light, empty, 15' 6" skiff with a bit of foam in the bow afterthe
> all. A line off the bow led well to the front, or rear as the case
> may be, would allow the third person to control the raised half
> through quite an arc near the veticle. This would give time for
> other two to move a few steps from a lifting position to alowering
> position. I think the cautions not to perform the foldingoperations
> on the trailer arise from concern that an individual may try it bybe
> themselves. Bolger did it solo for a dare. Both he and the boat
> survived, but only just. It would be better to do this, and then
> able to launch/retrieve the boat already rigged at most ramps.folding
>
> "Mostly Harmless" style boxed-in side decks would allow the
> operations to be done on her beam ends in shallow water afterfirst
> launching in the folded position without requiring a large bailingbeam
> job upon righting. Without the side tanks I don't see how this
> ends process could be easily reversed for trailer recovery.it,
>
> Have you considered a parking lot dolly of some kind? Like as used
> by racing classes on the rigging deck, and for launch/recovery.
> Basically just a cradle for the boat, on wheels, very low to the
> ground, and for FS you wouldn't have a pulling/steering handle up
> front. For FS a cradle may need only extend a few feet at most
> either side of the hinge point - the assembled hull would sit in
> balanced. You might get away with just one pair of wheels rightdistance
> under the balance point -- this would make parking lot and launch
> ramp manouverability and steering very easy.
>
> This would have to beat carrying the FS piece by piece some
> to the ramp and assembling it there. The procedure would be to putthe
> the dolly on the ground close to the parked FS trailer, lift the
> entire unfolded boat or pieces into the dolly cradle, assemble and
> rig on the dolly, load any extra gear, push FS to the water, float
> FS off the dolly, moor FS, return the dolly to the trailer and
> secure, return to the boat and sail away.
>
> Just how different is the latching on your FS from that shown in
> books? As I understand it you also have some pieces fasteningGraeme.........the keel bracket on the bottom of my FS is just a
> across the bottom, is that right? Could you post a photo or two of
> them?
>
> HTH
> Graeme
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@> wrote:
> >> Graeme.......
> > The hull plate on my schooner is DEDABFDPM73F, I have emailed
> Dynamite
> > Payson for confirmation that this boat is one of 3 prototypes he
> built
> > in 73-74, but have not yet gotten a reply.....
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jerry
> >
>
simple metal deal with 2 holes which are to line up with holes on
the other half / keel, which is not easy to do when the boat is in
the water, for obvious reasons (you can't see it!)....thanks for all
your input / advise on launching / unfolding, etc......since I have
only had the boat a short time, and only had her in the water once
so far (due to work I was doing on it for the past 4-5 weeks!), I am
sure I will experiment further with better and easier methods for
the whole launching / unfolding, etc........the dolly idea might be
useful, but the ramps I usually go to, you can't linger long because
there are usually many boats in line waiting for their turn.....
It would be great if I could find someplace locally to keep the boat
in the water for a time, so I could do more sailing trials, etc....
Will try and get some pictures of the bracket and post them soon!
Thanks all, for great input / suggestions on this historic and very
interesting Bolger / Payson schooner!!
Cheers,
Jerry
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
simple metal deal with 2 holes which are to line up with holes on
the other half / keel, which is not easy to do when the boat is in
the water, for obvious reasons (you can't see it!)....thanks for all
your input / advise on launching / unfolding, etc......since I have
only had the boat a short time, and only had her in the water once
so far (due to work I was doing on it for the past 4-5 weeks!), I am
sure I will experiment further with better and easier methods for
the whole launching / unfolding, etc........the dolly idea might be
useful, but the ramps I usually go to, you can't linger long because
there are usually many boats in line waiting for their turn.....
It would be great if I could find someplace locally to keep the boat
in the water for a time, so I could do more sailing trials, etc....
Will try and get some pictures of the bracket and post them soon!
Thanks all, for great input / suggestions on this historic and very
interesting Bolger / Payson schooner!!
Cheers,
Jerry
wrote:
>I
> Hi Jerry,
>
> either way that is real boating history you're sailing! To think,
> may have a picture of your actual boat on the cover of a bookonly
> published 31 years ago! Do you plan any schooner racing later in
> August?
>
> I think you could fold/unfold that boat on the trailer if you had
> help - two, but three of you would be better. FS as designed is
> a light, empty, 15' 6" skiff with a bit of foam in the bow afterthe
> all. A line off the bow led well to the front, or rear as the case
> may be, would allow the third person to control the raised half
> through quite an arc near the veticle. This would give time for
> other two to move a few steps from a lifting position to alowering
> position. I think the cautions not to perform the foldingoperations
> on the trailer arise from concern that an individual may try it bybe
> themselves. Bolger did it solo for a dare. Both he and the boat
> survived, but only just. It would be better to do this, and then
> able to launch/retrieve the boat already rigged at most ramps.folding
>
> "Mostly Harmless" style boxed-in side decks would allow the
> operations to be done on her beam ends in shallow water afterfirst
> launching in the folded position without requiring a large bailingbeam
> job upon righting. Without the side tanks I don't see how this
> ends process could be easily reversed for trailer recovery.it,
>
> Have you considered a parking lot dolly of some kind? Like as used
> by racing classes on the rigging deck, and for launch/recovery.
> Basically just a cradle for the boat, on wheels, very low to the
> ground, and for FS you wouldn't have a pulling/steering handle up
> front. For FS a cradle may need only extend a few feet at most
> either side of the hinge point - the assembled hull would sit in
> balanced. You might get away with just one pair of wheels rightdistance
> under the balance point -- this would make parking lot and launch
> ramp manouverability and steering very easy.
>
> This would have to beat carrying the FS piece by piece some
> to the ramp and assembling it there. The procedure would be to putthe
> the dolly on the ground close to the parked FS trailer, lift the
> entire unfolded boat or pieces into the dolly cradle, assemble and
> rig on the dolly, load any extra gear, push FS to the water, float
> FS off the dolly, moor FS, return the dolly to the trailer and
> secure, return to the boat and sail away.
>
> Just how different is the latching on your FS from that shown in
> books? As I understand it you also have some pieces fasteningGraeme.........the keel bracket on the bottom of my FS is just a
> across the bottom, is that right? Could you post a photo or two of
> them?
>
> HTH
> Graeme
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@> wrote:
> >> Graeme.......
> > The hull plate on my schooner is DEDABFDPM73F, I have emailed
> Dynamite
> > Payson for confirmation that this boat is one of 3 prototypes he
> built
> > in 73-74, but have not yet gotten a reply.....
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jerry
> >
>
simple metal deal with 2 holes which are to line up with holes on
the other half / keel, which is not easy to do when the boat is in
the water, for obvious reasons (you can't see it!)....thanks for all
your input / advise on launching / unfolding, etc......since I have
only had the boat a short time, and only had her in the water once
so far (due to work I was doing on it for the past 4-5 weeks!), I am
sure I will experiment further with better and easier methods for
the whole launching / unfolding, etc........the dolly idea might be
useful, but the ramps I usually go to, you can't linger long because
there are usually many boats in line waiting for their turn.....
It would be great if I could find someplace locally to keep the boat
in the water for a time, so I could do more sailing trials, etc....
Will try and get some pictures of the bracket and post them soon!
Thanks all, for great input / suggestions on this historic and very
interesting Bolger / Payson schooner!!
Cheers,
Jerry
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@...> wrote:
Any photos of you sailing your schooner?
Also would love to see a larger photo of the one of you in the Bolger
Long Dory that appeared in WB Launchings. What finish choices did you
use for it? Incredible how the water reflections appear as a pattern
on the hull. At first I thought it was applied as a part of the paint job!
Cheers,
Nels
<jon@...> wrote:
>When on the wind, we typically have
> Hi Bruce and Zensailor,
>
> the main sheeted in only slightly off the centerline, with the foresailHi Jon,
> out further and brought in until just before it starts to backwind the
> main. I'm sure it's similar in schooner with a headsail. Also, try
> falling off a little. You'll go faster and likely more than make up
> anything you'd gain by pointing higher. It's also possible your sails
> aren't cut well, despite the origin of the boat.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
Any photos of you sailing your schooner?
Also would love to see a larger photo of the one of you in the Bolger
Long Dory that appeared in WB Launchings. What finish choices did you
use for it? Incredible how the water reflections appear as a pattern
on the hull. At first I thought it was applied as a part of the paint job!
Cheers,
Nels
Hi Bruce and Zensailor,
...snip...
then the foresail, then the jib. When on the wind, we typically have
the main sheeted in only slightly off the centerline, with the foresail
out further and brought in until just before it starts to backwind the
main. I'm sure it's similar in schooner with a headsail. Also, try
falling off a little. You'll go faster and likely more than make up
anything you'd gain by pointing higher. It's also possible your sails
aren't cut well, despite the origin of the boat.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
...snip...
> Certainly, the tricks and techniquesDoes a cat-schooner count? My advice is to sheet for the main first,
> of sailing a schooner rig must be learned. Who among us sails a
> schooner? Susan, and who else?
then the foresail, then the jib. When on the wind, we typically have
the main sheeted in only slightly off the centerline, with the foresail
out further and brought in until just before it starts to backwind the
main. I'm sure it's similar in schooner with a headsail. Also, try
falling off a little. You'll go faster and likely more than make up
anything you'd gain by pointing higher. It's also possible your sails
aren't cut well, despite the origin of the boat.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Hi Jerry,
either way that is real boating history you're sailing! To think, I
may have a picture of your actual boat on the cover of a book
published 31 years ago! Do you plan any schooner racing later in
August?
I think you could fold/unfold that boat on the trailer if you had
help - two, but three of you would be better. FS as designed is only
a light, empty, 15' 6" skiff with a bit of foam in the bow after
all. A line off the bow led well to the front, or rear as the case
may be, would allow the third person to control the raised half
through quite an arc near the veticle. This would give time for the
other two to move a few steps from a lifting position to a lowering
position. I think the cautions not to perform the folding operations
on the trailer arise from concern that an individual may try it by
themselves. Bolger did it solo for a dare. Both he and the boat
survived, but only just. It would be better to do this, and then be
able to launch/retrieve the boat already rigged at most ramps.
"Mostly Harmless" style boxed-in side decks would allow the folding
operations to be done on her beam ends in shallow water after first
launching in the folded position without requiring a large bailing
job upon righting. Without the side tanks I don't see how this beam
ends process could be easily reversed for trailer recovery.
Have you considered a parking lot dolly of some kind? Like as used
by racing classes on the rigging deck, and for launch/recovery.
Basically just a cradle for the boat, on wheels, very low to the
ground, and for FS you wouldn't have a pulling/steering handle up
front. For FS a cradle may need only extend a few feet at most
either side of the hinge point - the assembled hull would sit in it,
balanced. You might get away with just one pair of wheels right
under the balance point -- this would make parking lot and launch
ramp manouverability and steering very easy.
This would have to beat carrying the FS piece by piece some distance
to the ramp and assembling it there. The procedure would be to put
the dolly on the ground close to the parked FS trailer, lift the
entire unfolded boat or pieces into the dolly cradle, assemble and
rig on the dolly, load any extra gear, push FS to the water, float
FS off the dolly, moor FS, return the dolly to the trailer and
secure, return to the boat and sail away.
Just how different is the latching on your FS from that shown in the
books? As I understand it you also have some pieces fastening
across the bottom, is that right? Could you post a photo or two of
them?
HTH
Graeme
either way that is real boating history you're sailing! To think, I
may have a picture of your actual boat on the cover of a book
published 31 years ago! Do you plan any schooner racing later in
August?
I think you could fold/unfold that boat on the trailer if you had
help - two, but three of you would be better. FS as designed is only
a light, empty, 15' 6" skiff with a bit of foam in the bow after
all. A line off the bow led well to the front, or rear as the case
may be, would allow the third person to control the raised half
through quite an arc near the veticle. This would give time for the
other two to move a few steps from a lifting position to a lowering
position. I think the cautions not to perform the folding operations
on the trailer arise from concern that an individual may try it by
themselves. Bolger did it solo for a dare. Both he and the boat
survived, but only just. It would be better to do this, and then be
able to launch/retrieve the boat already rigged at most ramps.
"Mostly Harmless" style boxed-in side decks would allow the folding
operations to be done on her beam ends in shallow water after first
launching in the folded position without requiring a large bailing
job upon righting. Without the side tanks I don't see how this beam
ends process could be easily reversed for trailer recovery.
Have you considered a parking lot dolly of some kind? Like as used
by racing classes on the rigging deck, and for launch/recovery.
Basically just a cradle for the boat, on wheels, very low to the
ground, and for FS you wouldn't have a pulling/steering handle up
front. For FS a cradle may need only extend a few feet at most
either side of the hinge point - the assembled hull would sit in it,
balanced. You might get away with just one pair of wheels right
under the balance point -- this would make parking lot and launch
ramp manouverability and steering very easy.
This would have to beat carrying the FS piece by piece some distance
to the ramp and assembling it there. The procedure would be to put
the dolly on the ground close to the parked FS trailer, lift the
entire unfolded boat or pieces into the dolly cradle, assemble and
rig on the dolly, load any extra gear, push FS to the water, float
FS off the dolly, moor FS, return the dolly to the trailer and
secure, return to the boat and sail away.
Just how different is the latching on your FS from that shown in the
books? As I understand it you also have some pieces fastening
across the bottom, is that right? Could you post a photo or two of
them?
HTH
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@...> wrote:
>> Graeme.......
> The hull plate on my schooner is DEDABFDPM73F, I have emailed
Dynamite
> Payson for confirmation that this boat is one of 3 prototypes he
built
> in 73-74, but have not yet gotten a reply.....
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry
>
--- I'm in the dark, as to why it's so bad to unfold on the trailer
as well. Really it would seem to make sense to unfold and at least
partly rig the schooner out of the water. I've seen at least 2 photo
sequences where the schooner is unfolded on the trailer, (using a
gin pole arrangement), but non where it's unfolded in the water. The
only thing I can think it might be is the balance of it, ie; as much
off the trailer as is on it, but it's only a guess. It may make a
difference when unfolding and using the water to cushion the front
hull, but what difference would it make to folding it back up,
except maybe you get very wet, and entertain onlookers. Could this
be a case of use the method you feel most happy with??.
Kev
Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
as well. Really it would seem to make sense to unfold and at least
partly rig the schooner out of the water. I've seen at least 2 photo
sequences where the schooner is unfolded on the trailer, (using a
gin pole arrangement), but non where it's unfolded in the water. The
only thing I can think it might be is the balance of it, ie; as much
off the trailer as is on it, but it's only a guess. It may make a
difference when unfolding and using the water to cushion the front
hull, but what difference would it make to folding it back up,
except maybe you get very wet, and entertain onlookers. Could this
be a case of use the method you feel most happy with??.
Kev
Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>because
> Not sure why they recommend against unfolding on the trailer --
> it is inconvenient to control the process or because of strain onthe
> hulls or trailer. In any event, if one is going to do theconnection in
> the water, why bother with a hinge? Why not carry both hullsupright on
> the trailer, launch one then the other, float them together, andfasten
> with two long pins going through gudgeons along the sides?you
>
> Patrick
>
> zensailor2005 wrote:
> > Thanks, Seem.......had seen the pics here and the other website
> > mentioned......my trailer has no such pole rig attachment setup, and
> > the bracket on my early boat is different than some of the laterschooner
> > subsequent models, for connecting the 2 keels / boat halves.....
> >
> > Also, both Payson and Bolger do not recommend unfolding the
> > on the trailer, when I recently corresponded with them aboutthis.
> > But I will need to try some other ways than what I did lastweekend,
> > which was cumbersome at best!
> >
> > Thanks for your input!!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jerry
> >
>
Not sure why they recommend against unfolding on the trailer -- because
it is inconvenient to control the process or because of strain on the
hulls or trailer. In any event, if one is going to do the connection in
the water, why bother with a hinge? Why not carry both hulls upright on
the trailer, launch one then the other, float them together, and fasten
with two long pins going through gudgeons along the sides?
Patrick
zensailor2005 wrote:
it is inconvenient to control the process or because of strain on the
hulls or trailer. In any event, if one is going to do the connection in
the water, why bother with a hinge? Why not carry both hulls upright on
the trailer, launch one then the other, float them together, and fasten
with two long pins going through gudgeons along the sides?
Patrick
zensailor2005 wrote:
> Thanks, Seem.......had seen the pics here and the other website you
> mentioned......my trailer has no such pole rig attachment set up, and
> the bracket on my early boat is different than some of the later
> subsequent models, for connecting the 2 keels / boat halves.....
>
> Also, both Payson and Bolger do not recommend unfolding the schooner
> on the trailer, when I recently corresponded with them about this.
> But I will need to try some other ways than what I did last weekend,
> which was cumbersome at best!
>
> Thanks for your input!!
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@...> wrote:
I just happen to have a good spot on the rear of my trailer to bolt on
a bracket without having to drill through the frame. I think it could
be built from some spare pressure treated plywood and lumber I have
from making the cradle for my other boat.
I envision getting the lowering mechanism all connected up before
backing down the launch ramp and stopping before the trailer tires
even get wet. Then lowering the bow section down onto the water, so
the bow floats, closing the connectors and then backing up until it
floats off the trailer.
If the ramp is not busy one could probably install the masts before
floating it off the trailer.
Only in my dreams right?
Nels
> Also, both Payson and Bolger do not recommend unfolding the schoonerSince I have the plans, I would be interested in what they recommended?
> on the trailer, when I recently corresponded with them about this.
> But I will need to try some other ways than what I did last weekend,
> which was cumbersome at best!
>
> Thanks for your input!!
>
> Cheers,
> Jerry
I just happen to have a good spot on the rear of my trailer to bolt on
a bracket without having to drill through the frame. I think it could
be built from some spare pressure treated plywood and lumber I have
from making the cradle for my other boat.
I envision getting the lowering mechanism all connected up before
backing down the launch ramp and stopping before the trailer tires
even get wet. Then lowering the bow section down onto the water, so
the bow floats, closing the connectors and then backing up until it
floats off the trailer.
If the ramp is not busy one could probably install the masts before
floating it off the trailer.
Only in my dreams right?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
mentioned......my trailer has no such pole rig attachment set up, and
the bracket on my early boat is different than some of the later
subsequent models, for connecting the 2 keels / boat halves.....
Also, both Payson and Bolger do not recommend unfolding the schooner
on the trailer, when I recently corresponded with them about this.
But I will need to try some other ways than what I did last weekend,
which was cumbersome at best!
Thanks for your input!!
Cheers,
Jerry
>years....
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello....
> >
> > I recently acquired a 1973 Payson built Bolger folding schooner,
> > which had been kept in storage by previous owners for many
> >water,
> > Couple of questions;
> > 1) Any recommendations about upgrading the keel bracket on the
> > bottom, which seems pretty difficult to use when it is under
> > and you are trying to put 2 bolts in place?what I
> >
> > 2) Is there some easier way to "unfold" this boat, than doing
> > did with one helper last weekend during my first sail / outing,unwieldy
> > which was to take the hinge "rod" off and separate the 2 halves,
> > launch separately, then put back together.....seems a bit
> > to try and unfold with just one other person....have people usedMatilda"
> > a "gin pole" or a mast with block / tackle successfully?
>
> Congratulations! Perfect boat for a zensailor:-)
>
> I will respond to item 2 first:
>
> Check out the photo album entitled: "folding schooner Waltzing
>while
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/e372
>
> It shows two methods. Unfolding it after launch or unfolding it
> still on the trailer. I would prefer the second method. The secondaccepts
> larger photo #5 shows a good view of the set-up.
>
> Looks to me like there is a bracket permanently installed on the
> trailer which also serves as a guide post for retrieval as well
> perhaps? (May have another on the other side as well.)
>
> The vertical post on the bracket is likely open at the top and
> either a gin pole or one of the masts. How it functions isinto
> self-explanatory in the photos.
>
> My plan would be to also have an addition on the bracket to hold a
> small hand winch with a brake.
>
> Back to item one. You tighten down the bolts prior to sliding it
> the water.Thanks, Seem.......had seen the pics here and the other website you
>
> When it comes to sailing these boats you might also check out Tim
> Flatchen's site in addition to getting information from Sue.
>
>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/index.htm#start
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Seem
>
mentioned......my trailer has no such pole rig attachment set up, and
the bracket on my early boat is different than some of the later
subsequent models, for connecting the 2 keels / boat halves.....
Also, both Payson and Bolger do not recommend unfolding the schooner
on the trailer, when I recently corresponded with them about this.
But I will need to try some other ways than what I did last weekend,
which was cumbersome at best!
Thanks for your input!!
Cheers,
Jerry
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
The hull plate on my schooner is DEDABFDPM73F, I have emailed Dynamite
Payson for confirmation that this boat is one of 3 prototypes he built
in 73-74, but have not yet gotten a reply.....
Thanks,
Jerry
wrote:
>Graeme.......
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@> wrote:
>
> > I recently acquired a 1973 Payson built Bolger folding schooner,
> > which had been kept in storage by previous owners for many years....
>
> Is this Folding Schooner not the protoype? FS #0?
>
> What month of 1973?
>
> Graeme
>
The hull plate on my schooner is DEDABFDPM73F, I have emailed Dynamite
Payson for confirmation that this boat is one of 3 prototypes he built
in 73-74, but have not yet gotten a reply.....
Thanks,
Jerry
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@...> wrote:
What month of 1973?
Graeme
> I recently acquired a 1973 Payson built Bolger folding schooner,Is this Folding Schooner not the protoype? FS #0?
> which had been kept in storage by previous owners for many years....
What month of 1973?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "zensailor2005" <jrwelch3@...> wrote:
I will respond to item 2 first:
Check out the photo album entitled: "folding schooner Waltzing Matilda"
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/e372
It shows two methods. Unfolding it after launch or unfolding it while
still on the trailer. I would prefer the second method. The second
larger photo #5 shows a good view of the set-up.
Looks to me like there is a bracket permanently installed on the
trailer which also serves as a guide post for retrieval as well
perhaps? (May have another on the other side as well.)
The vertical post on the bracket is likely open at the top and accepts
either a gin pole or one of the masts. How it functions is
self-explanatory in the photos.
My plan would be to also have an addition on the bracket to hold a
small hand winch with a brake.
Back to item one. You tighten down the bolts prior to sliding it into
the water.
When it comes to sailing these boats you might also check out Tim
Flatchen's site in addition to getting information from Sue.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/index.htm#start
Hope this helps.
Seem
>Congratulations! Perfect boat for a zensailor:-)
> Hello....
>
> I recently acquired a 1973 Payson built Bolger folding schooner,
> which had been kept in storage by previous owners for many years....
>
> Couple of questions;
> 1) Any recommendations about upgrading the keel bracket on the
> bottom, which seems pretty difficult to use when it is under water,
> and you are trying to put 2 bolts in place?
>
> 2) Is there some easier way to "unfold" this boat, than doing what I
> did with one helper last weekend during my first sail / outing,
> which was to take the hinge "rod" off and separate the 2 halves,
> launch separately, then put back together.....seems a bit unwieldy
> to try and unfold with just one other person....have people used
> a "gin pole" or a mast with block / tackle successfully?
I will respond to item 2 first:
Check out the photo album entitled: "folding schooner Waltzing Matilda"
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/e372
It shows two methods. Unfolding it after launch or unfolding it while
still on the trailer. I would prefer the second method. The second
larger photo #5 shows a good view of the set-up.
Looks to me like there is a bracket permanently installed on the
trailer which also serves as a guide post for retrieval as well
perhaps? (May have another on the other side as well.)
The vertical post on the bracket is likely open at the top and accepts
either a gin pole or one of the masts. How it functions is
self-explanatory in the photos.
My plan would be to also have an addition on the bracket to hold a
small hand winch with a brake.
Back to item one. You tighten down the bolts prior to sliding it into
the water.
When it comes to sailing these boats you might also check out Tim
Flatchen's site in addition to getting information from Sue.
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/index.htm#start
Hope this helps.
Seem
> I recently acquired a 1973 Payson built Bolger folding schooner,Wow, I am eager to hear answers to you questions. I have not sailed a
Folding Schooner before, (except for a hundred times in my
imagination). I can say that I have seen plenty of photos of the
folding/unfolding operation done with the 'gin pole', and it looks
workable. Also, I can say that after decades of sailing nothing but
sloops, my transition to another rig (in my case, a cat yawl) involved
re-learning how to sail again. Certainly, the tricks and techniques
of sailing a schooner rig must be learned. Who among us sails a
schooner? Susan, and who else?
Hello....
I recently acquired a 1973 Payson built Bolger folding schooner,
which had been kept in storage by previous owners for many years....
Couple of questions;
1) Any recommendations about upgrading the keel bracket on the
bottom, which seems pretty difficult to use when it is under water,
and you are trying to put 2 bolts in place?
2) Is there some easier way to "unfold" this boat, than doing what I
did with one helper last weekend during my first sail / outing,
which was to take the hinge "rod" off and separate the 2 halves,
launch separately, then put back together.....seems a bit unwieldy
to try and unfold with just one other person....have people used
a "gin pole" or a mast with block / tackle successfully?
3) Is upwind performance improved markedly by adjusting the
daggerboards for various points of sail? Sailing the boat for the
first time, in 10-15 knots of wind, she seemed a bit sluggish upwind
and got stuck in irons when coming about....not sure if I need to
experiment more with the daggerboard trim....
Any thoughts?
Thanks for any input!
I recently acquired a 1973 Payson built Bolger folding schooner,
which had been kept in storage by previous owners for many years....
Couple of questions;
1) Any recommendations about upgrading the keel bracket on the
bottom, which seems pretty difficult to use when it is under water,
and you are trying to put 2 bolts in place?
2) Is there some easier way to "unfold" this boat, than doing what I
did with one helper last weekend during my first sail / outing,
which was to take the hinge "rod" off and separate the 2 halves,
launch separately, then put back together.....seems a bit unwieldy
to try and unfold with just one other person....have people used
a "gin pole" or a mast with block / tackle successfully?
3) Is upwind performance improved markedly by adjusting the
daggerboards for various points of sail? Sailing the boat for the
first time, in 10-15 knots of wind, she seemed a bit sluggish upwind
and got stuck in irons when coming about....not sure if I need to
experiment more with the daggerboard trim....
Any thoughts?
Thanks for any input!
Re: Leander's Folding Schooner ... I bought top-grade fir dimensional
lumber and marine mahogany for a Folding Schooner last summer. Cost was
three times what he's asking for a complete one with motor and trailer
and sort-of sails. What a bargain!
(I finished the forward hull of my schooner about half-way before
Charley came and blew the doors of my shop open [no damage except to
the plans, which were papier mache.] Charley stole my O'Day 23 moored
at the mouth of the Peace River and hasn't returned it, and a few other
excuses, like fixing up an old San Juan 21 to replace the O'Day for
PHRF racing and cruising. Expect to get back to the schooner in a few
more weeks.)
-- Will
lumber and marine mahogany for a Folding Schooner last summer. Cost was
three times what he's asking for a complete one with motor and trailer
and sort-of sails. What a bargain!
(I finished the forward hull of my schooner about half-way before
Charley came and blew the doors of my shop open [no damage except to
the plans, which were papier mache.] Charley stole my O'Day 23 moored
at the mouth of the Peace River and hasn't returned it, and a few other
excuses, like fixing up an old San Juan 21 to replace the O'Day for
PHRF racing and cruising. Expect to get back to the schooner in a few
more weeks.)
-- Will
Leander tells me the Folding Schooner price has
been reduced to $1500 or best offer for boat, trailer, trolling motor,
battery, suit of polytarp sails, and enough real sail cloth to make a
second suit of sails.
Email me, and i'll put you in touch.
been reduced to $1500 or best offer for boat, trailer, trolling motor,
battery, suit of polytarp sails, and enough real sail cloth to make a
second suit of sails.
Email me, and i'll put you in touch.