Re: [bolger] Neophyte Builder Supplies Questions
When we built the three Gulls a couple of years ago we put xynole on the
bottom of all three because of its supperior abrasion resistance (6
times one layer of 6 oz glass). Our beaches are not sandy. All seams
were taped, and we fiberglassed the sides of one because we were going
for max finish. We fiberglassed the sides and flowcoated before
assembly. The other two were just primed and painted one with system
three an done with surplus latex house paint. They are doing well after
two years of being stored outside, covered with a tarp when they are not
used. I sprayed everything as I was working on how to use some HVLP
guns. One was high quality marine plywood the other ACX but not fir
from our local contractors store. I just found some pics in this groups
photo files under Juneau Bolger. The red one has the fiberglassed sides
and the green one is exterior latex at $12 a gallon.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
bottom of all three because of its supperior abrasion resistance (6
times one layer of 6 oz glass). Our beaches are not sandy. All seams
were taped, and we fiberglassed the sides of one because we were going
for max finish. We fiberglassed the sides and flowcoated before
assembly. The other two were just primed and painted one with system
three an done with surplus latex house paint. They are doing well after
two years of being stored outside, covered with a tarp when they are not
used. I sprayed everything as I was working on how to use some HVLP
guns. One was high quality marine plywood the other ACX but not fir
from our local contractors store. I just found some pics in this groups
photo files under Juneau Bolger. The red one has the fiberglassed sides
and the green one is exterior latex at $12 a gallon.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>>At long last I am about to start building my Gypsy, and am ordering
>>supplies. What weight fiberglass cloth do I need? 6oz, 10 oz ????
>>What about the ring nails...#14 OK?
>>Jason
>>
>>
>
>Cool boat, a Gypsy, share pictures!
>
>Fiberglass cloth is not absolutely necessary. I just built a Bolger
>'Cartoon #5' rowboat with no cloth and it functions fine, plus
>I appreciate that it was cheaper/quicker that way and the boat is
>much lighter in weight too, essential for cartopping in my opinion.
>
>I would reserve fiberglass cloth for boats that require 'battle proof' strength,
>[or if you are trying to build a monument.] But opinions vary, I know.
>
>I recall that #14 silicon bronze 1 1/4" ring nails are handy, though many
>other types of fasteners also work. [My favorte now is a narrow crown
>air stapler.] Drywall screws are also useful.
>
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Plywood is often glassed over to prevent the surface from "checking" =
cracking. So a lot depends on the kind of ply you use. Fir ply will
check (or so I have read many times) whereas tropical hardwood veneers
will not, or at least not as much.
I've built five plywood hulls over the years, including one that was
kept for years in the water in the tropics. None was glassed over and
I've had no trouble with checking. I used a variety of plywood, all of
it marine grade, but none of it was the cheap fir plywood that people
say will check. Most of the hulls were painted with ordinary exterior
enamel over primer and undercoat, with virtually no sanding required
before painting.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jason James Komyathy <jkomyathy@h...>
wrote:
cracking. So a lot depends on the kind of ply you use. Fir ply will
check (or so I have read many times) whereas tropical hardwood veneers
will not, or at least not as much.
I've built five plywood hulls over the years, including one that was
kept for years in the water in the tropics. None was glassed over and
I've had no trouble with checking. I used a variety of plywood, all of
it marine grade, but none of it was the cheap fir plywood that people
say will check. Most of the hulls were painted with ordinary exterior
enamel over primer and undercoat, with virtually no sanding required
before painting.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jason James Komyathy <jkomyathy@h...>
wrote:
> It actually hadn't occurred to me that not fiberglassing it was an
> option
Although, judging from your photos, Bruce, you are using your small
boats in fresh water.
Howard
boats in fresh water.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
>The non-galv staples [painted over]
> seem to hold up for a decent while here in sunny California.
exactly, that is why I want to use them, if the glue is ok by itself,
then the fastener is there until the glue dries.
then the fastener is there until the glue dries.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > what kind of nails and staples are you using.
>
> I am real cheap, and am using the non-galv staples
> that came with the used ebay narrow-crown 3/16"
> Bostitch 6432 stapler I got for $41 [including a case
> of staples!]. I got a well-used dual piston air compressor
> from my neighbor for $60. The non-galv staples [painted over]
> seem to hold up for a decent while here in sunny California.
>
> The staples are most useful for tacking applications [during glue-up]
> because you can drive them into thin material one-handed with no
> [or only a little] backing support.
> what kind of nails and staples are you using.I am real cheap, and am using the non-galv staples
that came with the used ebay narrow-crown 3/16"
Bostitch 6432 stapler I got for $41 [including a case
of staples!]. I got a well-used dual piston air compressor
from my neighbor for $60. The non-galv staples [painted over]
seem to hold up for a decent while here in sunny California.
The staples are most useful for tacking applications [during glue-up]
because you can drive them into thin material one-handed with no
[or only a little] backing support.
I have a finish nailer and a narrow gage stapler, what kind of nails
and staples are you using. I just bought a box of passload galv 18
gage 1 1/2 to use on the pontoon boat. I have a hole bag of staples,
but they are not galv. Have you heard of the Raptor plastic nails.
and staples are you using. I just bought a box of passload galv 18
gage 1 1/2 to use on the pontoon boat. I have a hole bag of staples,
but they are not galv. Have you heard of the Raptor plastic nails.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> > It actually hadn't occurred to me
>
> The big decision is 'quick and dirty', versus
> 'work of art'. Personal preference.
>
> Feeling good about your boat is vital.
>
> My attitude is that I would rather have
> several cheap disposable light-weight boats now,
> than have one expensive heavy immortal boat later.
>
> [resale value on backyard boats is near zero.]
>
> [you are *much* more likely to drown
> from falling out of your boat, than
> from having it crack open on the water
> and flood]
> Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:Speaking of resale value of backyard boats does anyone have experience
>
> [resale value on backyard boats is near zero.]
with obtaining a MIC from the USCG lately. I don't really want to
start my own business, per say, but my room is limited so I will have
to keep selling to make room for new builds. Can I keep selling off my
backyard built boats [after I have registered them myself] without
much trouble.
Dave Whittington
> It actually hadn't occurred to meThe big decision is 'quick and dirty', versus
'work of art'. Personal preference.
Feeling good about your boat is vital.
My attitude is that I would rather have
several cheap disposable light-weight boats now,
than have one expensive heavy immortal boat later.
[resale value on backyard boats is near zero.]
[you are *much* more likely to drown
from falling out of your boat, than
from having it crack open on the water
and flood]
It actually hadn't occurred to me that not fiberglassing it was an
option....something to think about....particularly since summer is
already here....
The air stapler sounds like a good idea. I just hope I can get mine
back from the person I loaned it to!
option....something to think about....particularly since summer is
already here....
The air stapler sounds like a good idea. I just hope I can get mine
back from the person I loaned it to!
> At long last I am about to start building my Gypsy, and am orderingCool boat, a Gypsy, share pictures!
> supplies. What weight fiberglass cloth do I need? 6oz, 10 oz ????
> What about the ring nails...#14 OK?
> Jason
Fiberglass cloth is not absolutely necessary. I just built a Bolger
'Cartoon #5' rowboat with no cloth and it functions fine, plus
I appreciate that it was cheaper/quicker that way and the boat is
much lighter in weight too, essential for cartopping in my opinion.
I would reserve fiberglass cloth for boats that require 'battle proof' strength,
[or if you are trying to build a monument.] But opinions vary, I know.
I recall that #14 silicon bronze 1 1/4" ring nails are handy, though many
other types of fasteners also work. [My favorte now is a narrow crown
air stapler.] Drywall screws are also useful.
At long last I am about to start building my Gypsy, and am ordering
supplies. What weight fiberglass cloth do I need? 6oz, 10 oz ????
What about the ring nails...#14 OK?
Thanks.
Jason
Hi Jason,
The weight of cloth is pretty much up to yourself. If you want a really tough boat, use the heavier stuff - but you'll use more epoxy and get a heavier boat. On the other hand the light cloth (or no cloth at all) will result in a lighter boat, but you'll need to take more care with it.
Not sure about American sizes of ring nail - but thin ones of the right length should be fine.
Bill
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supplies. What weight fiberglass cloth do I need? 6oz, 10 oz ????
What about the ring nails...#14 OK?
Thanks.
Jason
Hi Jason,
The weight of cloth is pretty much up to yourself. If you want a really tough boat, use the heavier stuff - but you'll use more epoxy and get a heavier boat. On the other hand the light cloth (or no cloth at all) will result in a lighter boat, but you'll need to take more care with it.
Not sure about American sizes of ring nail - but thin ones of the right length should be fine.
Bill
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Oops, sorry - just found the answer to my own question....don't know how
I missed it.
I missed it.
Undoubtedly the first in a series of dumb questions:
At long last I am about to start building my Gypsy, and am ordering
supplies. What weight fiberglass cloth do I need? 6oz, 10 oz ????
What about the ring nails...#14 OK?
Thanks.
Jason
At long last I am about to start building my Gypsy, and am ordering
supplies. What weight fiberglass cloth do I need? 6oz, 10 oz ????
What about the ring nails...#14 OK?
Thanks.
Jason