Re: storm petrel

My model doesn't show the doghouse. As it's drawn, it's designed to
be lashed down. I'm thinking of just a flat plate so that the stuff
in the "cabin" can be kept dry and there would be plenty of
sprawling space on deck. The Tent Cot could be kept in the hold when
not in use.

The reduced keel is not on the plans. I made up a basic sketch and
Bolger added his comments to it.

The plans are on 2 sheets with a number key set of instructions.
Pretty complete. You start by assembling the deck upside down, add
the frames, attach the sides, nail the bottom and the hull is done.
All the woodwork is instant boat level.

Steve H

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> It really is an accomplishment to design a boat with the apparent
> capabilities and safety of Storm Petrel and only uses 8 sheets of
> 3/8" plywood!
>
> I notice the photos in the files show the doghouse as removable.
Is
> this to plan? Of course that way it could also be used as an open
> boat with watertight hold. Is this where you got the idea to use
the
> enclosed folding cot?
>
> Is the modified keel shown in the plans? If not it would probably
be
> quite similar to one for Chebacco version #2 illustrated on page
229
> of BWAOM. I agree that the transom hung rudder makes the most
sense.
>
> I am also assuming that the plans are number keyed and it
assembles
> the same way as the other Instant boats. The biggest challenge may
be
> the bevels in the chines and sheer clamps as they may not be
constant.
>
> Looks like I will be ordering plans, since I am ordering the
> Navigator supplement to my Micro plans:-)
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
> Nels,
>
> It takes 8 sheets of 3/8" ply with two sheets for the sides, most
of
> two for the bottom, one and half for the deck, and the other bits
> scattered between the remaining sheets. I've got 6 sheets of 3/8"
> okoume and will probably make the bottom from MDO along with the
> keel. I plan to only glass the bottom but epoxy coat the rest.
>
> I just pulled out one of the drawing sheets and it does say that
the
> design is for Payson.
>
> Steve H
>
It really is an accomplishment to design a boat with the apparent
capabilities and safety of Storm Petrel and only uses 8 sheets of
3/8" plywood!

I notice the photos in the files show the doghouse as removable. Is
this to plan? Of course that way it could also be used as an open
boat with watertight hold. Is this where you got the idea to use the
enclosed folding cot?

Is the modified keel shown in the plans? If not it would probably be
quite similar to one for Chebacco version #2 illustrated on page 229
of BWAOM. I agree that the transom hung rudder makes the most sense.

I am also assuming that the plans are number keyed and it assembles
the same way as the other Instant boats. The biggest challenge may be
the bevels in the chines and sheer clamps as they may not be constant.

Looks like I will be ordering plans, since I am ordering the
Navigator supplement to my Micro plans:-)

Cheers, Nels
Nels,

It takes 8 sheets of 3/8" ply with two sheets for the sides, most of
two for the bottom, one and half for the deck, and the other bits
scattered between the remaining sheets. I've got 6 sheets of 3/8"
okoume and will probably make the bottom from MDO along with the
keel. I plan to only glass the bottom but epoxy coat the rest.

I just pulled out one of the drawing sheets and it does say that the
design is for Payson.

Steve H

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> It was quite amazing to see the shape of the boat in 3-dimensions.
To
> my eye it is a very nice looking hull and I have returned to
looking
> at it over and over. I can see where it really can grow on you:-)
>
> Nice easy curves. A bit of flare in the bow to keep out the waves.
> Does it call for 3/8" ply? Maybe two layers on the bottom?
>
> Looks like a very versatile design for the investment.
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
>
> Hi Nels,
>
> I added 3 pictures of my Storm Petrel model to the Web page. Go to
>http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm
>
> Steve H

Hi Steve,

It was quite amazing to see the shape of the boat in 3-dimensions. To
my eye it is a very nice looking hull and I have returned to looking
at it over and over. I can see where it really can grow on you:-)

Nice easy curves. A bit of flare in the bow to keep out the waves.
Does it call for 3/8" ply? Maybe two layers on the bottom?

Looks like a very versatile design for the investment.

Cheers, Nels
Hi Nels,

I added 3 pictures of my Storm Petrel model to the Web page. Go to
http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm

Steve H

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> I am looking forward to any further ilustrations that show the
plan
> and cross-section views and/or photos of the model.
>
> Cheers, Nels
My wife's family has been generally congregating around the So.
Thomaston area over the past few years. Her parents live right
around the corner from the Keag Store. Her sister and her husband
are just up the road from Dynamite Payson and our new property is in
Owl's Head with access to the Keag River from a cove. I'm the only
Maine native of the lot.

The motor on Storm Petrel mounts to either the right or left side of
the transom. It's not enough off center to cause any directional
problems. Inboard mounting of the rudder, in my opinion, would
complicate things and take space away from the cockpit area. On the
other hand I've never really thought about it. I have given some
thought to a small well to keep the gas supply segregated from the
rest of the cockpit.

Thanks for your other comments.

Steve




--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:

> Wow So. Thomaston, that's Dynamite's territory! I've actually been
> there and in fact still have the T-shirt! 'Keag Store showing a
moose
> pumping gas:-)
>
> Thanks once again for taking the extra time to provide us with
some
> more details. The website looks really great and I can identify
with
> the flow of your designs. The hobie is a bit limited for coastal
> cruising I would imagine - but is probably quite seaworthy so long
as
> your chest waders don't start taking on water:-)
>
> The CSD PIROGUE looks really nice and the Shell modifications seem
> practical. I might be tempted to try the SWEET PEA rig on the
PIROGUE
> (maybe with an outrigger) and the 2 hp Honda on the Shell dingy:-)
>
> One thing I am wondering about STORM PETREL, is where does one
put
> the motor? I wonder if it might be advisable to have a set-up with
an
> inboard rudder, and a free flooding motorwell like Oldshoe and the
> Micros. This allows the outboard to be on the centerline and
> protected by the keel. Make it more a true motorsailer.
>
> I also took Mr. Bolger's comments about a high aspect fin to heart
> and won't embarras myself further with that line of thinking:-)
>
> I am looking forward to any further ilustrations that show the
plan
> and cross-section views and/or photos of the model.
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
> Hi Nels,
>
> I just updated the page (http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm)a
bit
> with some excerpts from PCB's letter to me. Yes, he specified the
> addition of a 12" wide end plate to the rudder.
>
> I am planning to use the lateen rig. It looks good, Phil specified
> it, and it keeps the mast short. I'm sure that there are strong
> parallels to other boats of the instant boat series. I believe that
> SP was done for Payson. (By the way, I saw a boat propped up in
> someone's back yard in So. Thomaston, ME a couple weeks ago. There
> was a cover over the boat but the hull shape and keel looked very
> much like SP. No one was home so I will look into this further next
> time I'm up there.)
>
Hi Steve,

Wow So. Thomaston, that's Dynamite's territory! I've actually been
there and in fact still have the T-shirt! 'Keag Store showing a moose
pumping gas:-)

Thanks once again for taking the extra time to provide us with some
more details. The website looks really great and I can identify with
the flow of your designs. The hobie is a bit limited for coastal
cruising I would imagine - but is probably quite seaworthy so long as
your chest waders don't start taking on water:-)

The CSD PIROGUE looks really nice and the Shell modifications seem
practical. I might be tempted to try the SWEET PEA rig on the PIROGUE
(maybe with an outrigger) and the 2 hp Honda on the Shell dingy:-)

One thing I am wondering about STORM PETREL, is where does one put
the motor? I wonder if it might be advisable to have a set-up with an
inboard rudder, and a free flooding motorwell like Oldshoe and the
Micros. This allows the outboard to be on the centerline and
protected by the keel. Make it more a true motorsailer.

I also took Mr. Bolger's comments about a high aspect fin to heart
and won't embarras myself further with that line of thinking:-)

I am looking forward to any further ilustrations that show the plan
and cross-section views and/or photos of the model.

Cheers, Nels
Hi Nels,

I just updated the page (http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm)a bit
with some excerpts from PCB's letter to me. Yes, he specified the
addition of a 12" wide end plate to the rudder.

I am planning to use the lateen rig. It looks good, Phil specified
it, and it keeps the mast short. I'm sure that there are strong
parallels to other boats of the instant boat series. I believe that
SP was done for Payson. (By the way, I saw a boat propped up in
someone's back yard in So. Thomaston, ME a couple weeks ago. There
was a cover over the boat but the hull shape and keel looked very
much like SP. No one was home so I will look into this further next
time I'm up there.)

I did make a balsa model of the boat. Unfortunately my wife has the
digital camera and she's away until tomorrow. I'll take a picture of
it and stick it on the Web within a couple of days.

Changing subjects a bit, I am toying with the idea of using a
modified (legless) "Tent Cot" (http://www.tentcot.com) as a solo
sleeping accomodation. Fastened to the deck it should be fairly
comfortable. Fashioning a hatch in the bottom, one could access
supplies, potti, etc. in the below decks part of the boat. These are
pretty cheap and fold up quickly.

Steve H




--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> Thanks for taking the time to add this information. I think it
might
> be of interest for a lot of the Bolgerados.
>
> The changes to the keel look to be much more friendly for
trailering
> and I wonder if it would work in conjunction with a shallow rudder
> with end plate?
>
> Not too sure if I'm that crazy about the sailing rig in the file
> photos. I might tend to favor the original one from the Zephyr.
> Reason being a shorter mast and no jib to worry about. Having
sailed
> a sunfish I have found this to be a friendly rig that can peak a
sail
> up pretty well while keeping a short mast that adds to the boats
> ability to ride out bad weather.
>
> Out here on the prairies, because of control dams etc. - many of
the
> lakes are more like resevoirs. They can get pretty ugly when an
> afternoon thunderstorm suddenly pops over the hills. Therefore
many
> fishermen have big boats with huge motors to get off the lake
> quickly. Often these storms only last for 15 or 30 minutes and
them
> everything settles down again.
>
> Something like this offers another option - the cork in the
bottle:-)
> A person could drop the sail - batten down the hatch and lie down
> until the storm passed. (Deploying the anchor too - almost forgot:-
)
> It also gives an option to using the motor. In fact a yuloh might
> work as well.
>
> I would be interested in seeing any further diagrams - not to
build
> from - but just get a sense of what the construction entails.
Seems
> sort of like a SURF with the midship section sealed up, together
with
> a Zephyr sailplan and a full length keel.
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/images/surfst.jpg
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
> > Nels,
> >
> > I have started a page on Storm Petrel, see
> >http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
> Nels,
>
> I have started a page on Storm Petrel, see
>http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm
>
> There's not much there yet but I do have a sketch per Phil's
> recommendations. I'll probably end up with a keel about 6-8 inches
> deep and may (may) have a provision for a dagger board or something
> similar as an assist.

Hi Steve,

Thanks for taking the time to add this information. I think it might
be of interest for a lot of the Bolgerados.

The changes to the keel look to be much more friendly for trailering
and I wonder if it would work in conjunction with a shallow rudder
with end plate?

Not too sure if I'm that crazy about the sailing rig in the file
photos. I might tend to favor the original one from the Zephyr.
Reason being a shorter mast and no jib to worry about. Having sailed
a sunfish I have found this to be a friendly rig that can peak a sail
up pretty well while keeping a short mast that adds to the boats
ability to ride out bad weather.

Out here on the prairies, because of control dams etc. - many of the
lakes are more like resevoirs. They can get pretty ugly when an
afternoon thunderstorm suddenly pops over the hills. Therefore many
fishermen have big boats with huge motors to get off the lake
quickly. Often these storms only last for 15 or 30 minutes and them
everything settles down again.

Something like this offers another option - the cork in the bottle:-)
A person could drop the sail - batten down the hatch and lie down
until the storm passed. (Deploying the anchor too - almost forgot:-)
It also gives an option to using the motor. In fact a yuloh might
work as well.

I would be interested in seeing any further diagrams - not to build
from - but just get a sense of what the construction entails. Seems
sort of like a SURF with the midship section sealed up, together with
a Zephyr sailplan and a full length keel.

http://www.instantboats.com/images/surfst.jpg

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
> Nels,
>
> I have started a page on Storm Petrel, see
>http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm
Nels,

I have started a page on Storm Petrel, see
http://www.belljar.net/bolgersp.htm

There's not much there yet but I do have a sketch per Phil's
recommendations. I'll probably end up with a keel about 6-8 inches
deep and may (may) have a provision for a dagger board or something
similar as an assist.

The keel will be plywood, fairly thick and with a steel shoe. I'll
have lead inserts with a mass comparable to the steel plate and with
the center of gravity placed where the full steel plate's CG would
have been.

I first saw SP in Small Boat Journal. There was a small
illustration/sketch, probably the same as was in the book (haven't
seen that) but there were no dimensions. I'd spend the $50 with Phil
if you are interested in building it.

At some point I'll put the content of Phil's letter to me on the
site along with pictures. When I first communicated with him
something over 10 years ago he couldn't find the plans and he stated
that he didn't think it was one of his better efforts.

I'm not sure if he changed his opinion or not but about 3 years ago
when he did uncover the plans (cost was a reasonable $50) he said
that it should suit my purposes fine. I'm not looking for an
efficient sailer but something that can use a sail in good
conditions (otherwise I've got a selection of OBs in the 2-5 hp
range), be easy to tow, and perform safely when the sea kicks up a
bit. I also like the flat deck/seating area. Should make a decent
fly fishing platform.

We live in So. NH and just purchased some waterfront land (well,
it's on an inlet that dries out at low tide) in midcoast Maine. It's
about 5 miles to the Muscle Ridge Islands in Penobscot Bay and I can
see this boat fitting in nicely.

Thanks for your interest.

Steve H


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> Thanks for the response. That is a very interesting essay by
the "The
> Man" himself as to what to consider in a seaworthy boat. I am
> interested in three things:
>
> 1. How much you are planning to reduce the depth of keel by and if
> you are making it thicker to keep the weight the same.
>
> 2. Whether or not you purchased plans or did Mr. Bolger allow it
to
> be built from the information provided in "Different Boats?"
>
> 3. Is it possible to obtain the illustrations that may have come
with
> the article? I no longer have my copy of "Different Boats" it
seems:-(
>
> Thanks again, Nels
--- pseudospark wrote:
> I have started on the frames
> for my Storm Petrel and ...

I am sure I am not alone
around here eager to see
pictures! Pleeeeease!

Also, I would love to hear
specifics of Phil Bolger's
comments about Storm Petrel.

Is there a sketch of the
revised fin?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pseudospark" <shansen@t...> wrote:
>
> The link below is to my site. I've not updated it in a while but I
> have started on the frames for my Storm Petrel and I am planning to
> have it essentially done this summer. I am still planning to reduce
> the depth of the keel per the advice I got from PCB last year.
>
> Steve H
>
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the response. That is a very interesting essay by the "The
Man" himself as to what to consider in a seaworthy boat. I am
interested in three things:

1. How much you are planning to reduce the depth of keel by and if
you are making it thicker to keep the weight the same.

2. Whether or not you purchased plans or did Mr. Bolger allow it to
be built from the information provided in "Different Boats?"

3. Is it possible to obtain the illustrations that may have come with
the article? I no longer have my copy of "Different Boats" it seems:-(

Thanks again, Nels
The link below is to my site. I've not updated it in a while but I
have started on the frames for my Storm Petrel and I am planning to
have it essentially done this summer. I am still planning to reduce
the depth of the keel per the advice I got from PCB last year.

Steve H

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> --- Nels wrote:
>
> > Don't know if you saw this...
> >
> >http://www.belljar.net/petrel.htm
>
> That text is the [nearly?] exact
> text found in the Chapter on Storm
> Petrel in the book _Different Boats_.
>
> Also in the book is the builders key
> and reduced size prints of the plans.
>
> Eight sheet of plywood! I want one!
--- Nels wrote:

> Don't know if you saw this...
>
>http://www.belljar.net/petrel.htm

That text is the [nearly?] exact
text found in the Chapter on Storm
Petrel in the book _Different Boats_.

Also in the book is the builders key
and reduced size prints of the plans.

Eight sheet of plywood! I want one!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cuatralbo" <cuatralbo@y...> wrote:
> Thanks a lot, Bruce. I will write to Bolger.
> Best regards

Don't know if you saw this...

http://www.belljar.net/petrel.htm
Thanks a lot, Bruce. I will write to Bolger.
Best regards
> Re: storm petrel building plans for this
> boat? And any file or document about?

According to the database, Chapter 10, of the Bolger Book
_Different Boats_.

I don't have my copy at my finger tips to check, but I
recall that most of the plans in that book are
reproduced 'in full' [reduced size, need a magnifying
glass]. It is a debatable question if the purchase
price of the book grants a right to build from the
plans. I'd bet that plans [and rights to build] can
be purchased from the designer too.

I vaguely recall that this design was also published
somewhere else, was it the old Common Sense Boats
catalogue.

I have always liked Storm Petrel, simple, sturdy and safe,
I want one!

The steel plate fin keel is elegant.
Any body knows if it is possible to find building plans for this
boat? And any file or document about?
A possible reason for Mr. Bolger's delay is that he may actually be
boating! The weather in Boston was absolutely delightful today
(Mother's Day) and anyone in their right mind was either building a
boat as I was, or out enjoying the day in a boat. The Annisquam
River
would be wonderful on a day like today.

David Jost
Who is now celebrating the completion of bulkhead B for the
currently two dimensional Micro "Firefly". (and currently out of
bronze boat nails)
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
>
> Go to the Source:
>
> Phil Bolger & Friends, Inc
> PO Box 1209
> Gloucester, MA 01930 USA
>
> FAX: 978-282-1349
>
> :-)
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, fung42@h... wrote:
> > where can i buy building plans for the STORM PETREL, and what is
> the
> > price? ? ?
>
good evening,
thanks for the replies.there is one little problem, sent a fax to
phil bolger and friends two weeks ago. no reply so far. >
Regards
Go to the Source:

Phil Bolger & Friends, Inc
PO Box 1209
Gloucester, MA 01930 USA

FAX: 978-282-1349

:-)

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, fung42@h... wrote:
> where can i buy building plans for the STORM PETREL, and what is
the
> price? ? ?
> Regards
where can i buy building plans for the STORM PETREL, and what is the
price? ? ?
Regards
anyone built or building the STORM PETREL, can let me know of their
experiences.
thanking you
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