Re: [bolger] Re: minimalist boat
> Spur is a lovely and efficient row boat.I agree very much. Lightweight and fast too.
> Fitting and clampingWhen I built my Spur II, the clamping and fitting was a
> strakes with one hand could be a challenge.
>
> John T
big headache.
When I built 'Cartoon 5', similar to Spur II, I used Hulls.exe
to calculate the shapes of the strakes and found it much easier than
cutting and fitting in place.
I also found that narrow crown air staples, shot in at an angle,
did a real good job in lieu of clamps. Much faster. I pulled
the staples and filled the holes with thickened epoxy. Not
perfect, but adequate.
Spur is a lovely and efficient row boat. I've built a glued plywood
lapstrake boat (an Oughtred Acorn Skiff) and it can go fairly quickly.
But...you really need for the glue to harden on one set of strakes before
you start on the next one (which leads to a pair of strakes a day) and you
need many, many clamps (which can be homemade). Fitting and clamping
strakes with one hand could be a challenge.
John T
lapstrake boat (an Oughtred Acorn Skiff) and it can go fairly quickly.
But...you really need for the glue to harden on one set of strakes before
you start on the next one (which leads to a pair of strakes a day) and you
need many, many clamps (which can be homemade). Fitting and clamping
strakes with one hand could be a challenge.
John T
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From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: minimalist boat
> Another possibility might be Bolger's Spur II, as seen in his "Boats
> with an Open Mind" --commonly written as BWAOM here.
>
> Spur II is a plywood lapstrake rowboat 15'4" x 4'6". A professional
> boatbuilder finished the first one in 85 hours at a weight of under
> 100 lb. Designed displacement is 500lb, with 150 lb punds-per-inch
> immersion.
>
> Lapstrake is not that difficult, according to Bruce Hallman, and the
> result is worth the effort, judging from the photo in BWAOM. It would
> require lofting the hull shape (by hand or with a computer program) to
> get the frame shapes etc.
>
> There will be more info. about Spur II in the archives of this group
> e.g. at message #23044, or in the files or photos sections of this and
> the related Bolger groups.
>
> Howard
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Pics of building and sailing a June Bug
http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/JB.html
The picture sailing in Berner's bay is one of my all time favourites,
frequently makes it to wallpaper status.
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
http://www.alaska.net/~mzeiger/JB.html
The picture sailing in Berner's bay is one of my all time favourites,
frequently makes it to wallpaper status.
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
>Birwatcher is a 23'6" x 5'7" sailboat. Bolger's June Bug might be
>closer to your requirement. It's 14' x 3'3-1/2", with a simple
>plywood shape meant to be built instant-boat style i.e. without a
>building jig. It has a designed displacement of 450 lb but can be
>loaded up much more than that -- Bolger says he was aiming for 1,000
>lb in quiet conditions.
>
>
Bruces's pics of building one
http://hallman.org/bolger/spur/
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
http://hallman.org/bolger/spur/
HJ
Howard Stephenson wrote:
>Another possibility might be Bolger's Spur II, as seen in his "Boats
>with an Open Mind" --commonly written as BWAOM here.
>
>Spur II is a plywood lapstrake rowboat 15'4" x 4'6". A professional
>boatbuilder finished the first one in 85 hours at a weight of under
>100 lb. Designed displacement is 500lb, with 150 lb punds-per-inch
>immersion.
>
>Lapstrake is not that difficult, according to Bruce Hallman, and the
>result is worth the effort, judging from the photo in BWAOM. It would
>require lofting the hull shape (by hand or with a computer program) to
>get the frame shapes etc.
>
>There will be more info. about Spur II in the archives of this group
>e.g. at message #23044, or in the files or photos sections of this and
>the related Bolger groups.
>
>Howard
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Another possibility might be Bolger's Spur II, as seen in his "Boats
with an Open Mind" --commonly written as BWAOM here.
Spur II is a plywood lapstrake rowboat 15'4" x 4'6". A professional
boatbuilder finished the first one in 85 hours at a weight of under
100 lb. Designed displacement is 500lb, with 150 lb punds-per-inch
immersion.
Lapstrake is not that difficult, according to Bruce Hallman, and the
result is worth the effort, judging from the photo in BWAOM. It would
require lofting the hull shape (by hand or with a computer program) to
get the frame shapes etc.
There will be more info. about Spur II in the archives of this group
e.g. at message #23044, or in the files or photos sections of this and
the related Bolger groups.
Howard
with an Open Mind" --commonly written as BWAOM here.
Spur II is a plywood lapstrake rowboat 15'4" x 4'6". A professional
boatbuilder finished the first one in 85 hours at a weight of under
100 lb. Designed displacement is 500lb, with 150 lb punds-per-inch
immersion.
Lapstrake is not that difficult, according to Bruce Hallman, and the
result is worth the effort, judging from the photo in BWAOM. It would
require lofting the hull shape (by hand or with a computer program) to
get the frame shapes etc.
There will be more info. about Spur II in the archives of this group
e.g. at message #23044, or in the files or photos sections of this and
the related Bolger groups.
Howard
For my last boatbuilding project (plywood stitch-and-glue) I found
one of these to be invaluable:
http://www.tool-up.co.uk/tooldev/images/items/22379.jpg
There is a range of blades available for cutting different materials
and the blades can be fitted as shown or at 90 degrees, like an
ordinary sabre saw.
I found it quicker to use than a handsaw for even the smallest job.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
one of these to be invaluable:
http://www.tool-up.co.uk/tooldev/images/items/22379.jpg
There is a range of blades available for cutting different materials
and the blades can be fitted as shown or at 90 degrees, like an
ordinary sabre saw.
I found it quicker to use than a handsaw for even the smallest job.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
<John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> I concur with the recommendation for a good quality reciprocal(saber) saw.
> I use a Bosch and recently cut through all the planking (3/8" ply)
> necessary for a 19 ft boat--mostly sawing with one hand.
> a boat with the following characteristics:Pour over the information at Dynamite Paysons
> - about16 feet +/-
instantboats website, and send away for his study plans
plus his books _InstantBoats_ and _New InstantBoats._
Much of the fun is simply dreaming about and choosing between
those awsome little boats! Build more than one if you can.
> i've gotten rid of my power shop. my only power tools now are aYour tools are good enough. Though, most circular saws accept a
> circular saw, a sander, and a 3/8 inch drill. but i have a good
> selection of hand tools. minimalist shop to build a minimalist boat.
"rip guide" to provide an edge-following guide for controlled cutting
which is almost essential for ripping long straight piece from
2x lumber for use as 'chine logs' and as frame edges,
an essential part in most (all?) of the Bolger 'Instant Boat' style boats.
The option of using a table saw to rip lumber is much harder mostly
because it is easier to bring the tool to the wood than the wood to
the tool.
As you have less strength in your hands, you might want to consider
getting a lighter weight circular saw, I just love my 5 1/2" Skill 5510,
mostly because it is far easier to control with one hand than the
bigger saws. Set the blade to shallow depth and use a fine tooth blade
and it is real good at cutting plywood too. [Japanese pull saws are
also nice.]
http://www.hallman.org/roar/Ripping.jpg
http://www.shop-for-circular-saws.com/images/Skil/B0000223FJ.gif
http://images.orgill.com/200x200/6122386.JPG
For your requirements, you would be hard pressed to find a better
boat type than your old river dory. There are lots of examples out
there. Here are a couple of links (not Bolger).
http://montana-riverboats.com/
http://www.raysriverdories.com/index.html#boat%20specifications
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "j. wycliffe riley"
<jwyclifferiley@a...> wrote:
boat type than your old river dory. There are lots of examples out
there. Here are a couple of links (not Bolger).
http://montana-riverboats.com/
http://www.raysriverdories.com/index.html#boat%20specifications
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "j. wycliffe riley"
<jwyclifferiley@a...> wrote:
> i always thought bolger designs were cool, form follows function.in
> i've never built a bolger design.
>
> i'm looking for advice on bolger design selection. i'm interested
> a boat with the following characteristics:with
> - about16 feet +/-
> - efficient for rowing and for 5 hp or less
> - adequate for 2 or 3 people and camping
> supplies for several days
> - stability and freeboard for floating rivers,
> calm rivers like you would find in east
> texas and southern oklahoma, not whitewater,
> my whitewater adrenaline rush days are over
> - to be built by a gimpy guy with hand toosl
>
> my experience includes building an 18 foot whitewater drift boat
> (dory) back in my adrenaline rush whitewater days, and a 14 foot
> stitch and glue kayak, both well used and abused, and no longer
> us.boat.
>
> i've gotten rid of my power shop. my only power tools now are a
> circular saw, a sander, and a 3/8 inch drill. but i have a good
> selection of hand tools. minimalist shop to build a minimalist
>
> i have multiple sclerosis, which has rendered my right hand
> practically useless. i used to be right handed. i get around this
> problem by doing things more slowly and teaching my left hand to do
> things it has never done before, usually with good results, but
> usually only after cussing the damn thing I'm working on, and the
> damn tool i'm working with, and my damn hand.
>
> so does anyone have experience with such a boat?
There are lots of choices. I would suggest that you check out H H
"Dynamite" Payson's web site www.instantboats.com which shows a variety of
Bolger plans which might meet your needs.
I concur with the recommendation for a good quality reciprocal (saber) saw.
I use a Bosch and recently cut through all the planking (3/8" ply)
necessary for a 19 ft boat--mostly sawing with one hand. I am not good
enough to make long, perfect cuts, so I cut about 3/32" to 1/8" outside my
lines and planed the panels down with a low angle block plane (also used one
handed). A major challenge for any boatbuilder is to hold large pieces of
stock while you are working on it. I use a Workmate and a saw horse clamp
on a saw horse. If you can't find the saw horse clamp, two Workmates would
also work.
Have fun and keep us up to date on your progress.
John T
"Dynamite" Payson's web site www.instantboats.com which shows a variety of
Bolger plans which might meet your needs.
I concur with the recommendation for a good quality reciprocal (saber) saw.
I use a Bosch and recently cut through all the planking (3/8" ply)
necessary for a 19 ft boat--mostly sawing with one hand. I am not good
enough to make long, perfect cuts, so I cut about 3/32" to 1/8" outside my
lines and planed the panels down with a low angle block plane (also used one
handed). A major challenge for any boatbuilder is to hold large pieces of
stock while you are working on it. I use a Workmate and a saw horse clamp
on a saw horse. If you can't find the saw horse clamp, two Workmates would
also work.
Have fun and keep us up to date on your progress.
John T
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From: "Nels" <arvent@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 1:50 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: minimalist boat
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "j. wycliffe riley"
> <jwyclifferiley@a...> wrote:
> > i always thought bolger designs were cool, form follows function.
> > i've never built a bolger design.
> >
> > i'm looking for advice on bolger design selection. i'm interested
> in
> > a boat with the following characteristics:
> > - about16 feet +/-
> > - efficient for rowing and for 5 hp or less
> > - adequate for 2 or 3 people and camping
> > supplies for several days
> > - stability and freeboard for floating rivers,
> > calm rivers like you would find in east
> > texas and southern oklahoma, not whitewater,
> > my whitewater adrenaline rush days are over
> > - to be built by a gimpy guy with hand toosl
> >
> > my experience includes building an 18 foot whitewater drift boat
> > (dory) back in my adrenaline rush whitewater days, and a 14 foot
> > stitch and glue kayak, both well used and abused, and no longer
> with
> > us.
> >
> > i've gotten rid of my power shop. my only power tools now are a
> > circular saw, a sander, and a 3/8 inch drill. but i have a good
> > selection of hand tools. minimalist shop to build a minimalist
> boat.
> >
> > i have multiple sclerosis, which has rendered my right hand
> > practically useless. i used to be right handed. i get around
> this
> > problem by doing things more slowly and teaching my left hand to
> do
> > things it has never done before, usually with good results, but
> > usually only after cussing the damn thing I'm working on, and the
> > damn tool i'm working with, and my damn hand.
> >
> > so does anyone have experience with such a boat?
>
> Hi,
>
> Have you considered Birdwatcher, the basic one, at all? Did you see
> the write-up in Woodenboat awhile back? I think it is the ideal
> choice for "retired" kayakers and canoeists.
>
> Are you familar with Duckworks forum? The moderator there might have
> some ideas as he is a Texan. there are a few designs that he has
> built and a lot of messing around in his native state and beyond.
>
> Birdwatcher is basically a dory shape with raised side decks to give
> you some shelter.
>
> A tool I would consider you check out is a good quality random
> orbital jigsaw. They are so much more capable than the little cheap
> ones they used to sell and so are the blades, and I think are about
> the easiest saw to use with both hands.
>
> Best of luck. I am sure you will get lots more suggestions:-)
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
>
>
>
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>
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Another suggestion - an older Bolger design is the Thomaston Galley. Not quite 'instant' because of its Vee bottom but still very straightforward to build.
Bolger designed it to be equally good with oars, OB or sail.
Payson sells the Thomaston Galley plans. www.instantboats.com
Bill Samson
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Bolger designed it to be equally good with oars, OB or sail.
Payson sells the Thomaston Galley plans. www.instantboats.com
Bill Samson
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Birwatcher is a 23'6" x 5'7" sailboat. Bolger's June Bug might be
closer to your requirement. It's 14' x 3'3-1/2", with a simple
plywood shape meant to be built instant-boat style i.e. without a
building jig. It has a designed displacement of 450 lb but can be
loaded up much more than that -- Bolger says he was aiming for 1,000
lb in quiet conditions.
Apparently it rows quite well but the design includes a sailing rig
(with a rudder and leeboard) that could be eliminated if you were
not interested in sailing. It is not really designed for using an
outboard, but it shouldn't be too hard to modify the transom with a
little pad to take a small outboard -- 2 or 3 hp would be enough.
Harold Payson's book "Building the New Instant Boats" includes plans
and complete building instructions for June Bug and a few other
Bolger designs.
June Bug might not be ideal, but right now I can't think of a better
fit among Bolger's designs. The Duckworks website gives details of
plans by several designers. There might be something suitable among
Jim Michalak's many designs.
Howard
closer to your requirement. It's 14' x 3'3-1/2", with a simple
plywood shape meant to be built instant-boat style i.e. without a
building jig. It has a designed displacement of 450 lb but can be
loaded up much more than that -- Bolger says he was aiming for 1,000
lb in quiet conditions.
Apparently it rows quite well but the design includes a sailing rig
(with a rudder and leeboard) that could be eliminated if you were
not interested in sailing. It is not really designed for using an
outboard, but it shouldn't be too hard to modify the transom with a
little pad to take a small outboard -- 2 or 3 hp would be enough.
Harold Payson's book "Building the New Instant Boats" includes plans
and complete building instructions for June Bug and a few other
Bolger designs.
June Bug might not be ideal, but right now I can't think of a better
fit among Bolger's designs. The Duckworks website gives details of
plans by several designers. There might be something suitable among
Jim Michalak's many designs.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "j. wycliffe riley"
> <jwyclifferiley@a...> wrote:
> > i'm looking for advice on bolger design selection.
> Have you considered Birdwatcher, the basic one, at all? Did you
see
> the write-up in Woodenboat awhile back? I think it is the ideal
> choice for "retired" kayakers and canoeists.
>
> Are you familar with Duckworks forum?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "j. wycliffe riley"
<jwyclifferiley@a...> wrote:
Have you considered Birdwatcher, the basic one, at all? Did you see
the write-up in Woodenboat awhile back? I think it is the ideal
choice for "retired" kayakers and canoeists.
Are you familar with Duckworks forum? The moderator there might have
some ideas as he is a Texan. there are a few designs that he has
built and a lot of messing around in his native state and beyond.
Birdwatcher is basically a dory shape with raised side decks to give
you some shelter.
A tool I would consider you check out is a good quality random
orbital jigsaw. They are so much more capable than the little cheap
ones they used to sell and so are the blades, and I think are about
the easiest saw to use with both hands.
Best of luck. I am sure you will get lots more suggestions:-)
Cheers, Nels
<jwyclifferiley@a...> wrote:
> i always thought bolger designs were cool, form follows function.in
> i've never built a bolger design.
>
> i'm looking for advice on bolger design selection. i'm interested
> a boat with the following characteristics:with
> - about16 feet +/-
> - efficient for rowing and for 5 hp or less
> - adequate for 2 or 3 people and camping
> supplies for several days
> - stability and freeboard for floating rivers,
> calm rivers like you would find in east
> texas and southern oklahoma, not whitewater,
> my whitewater adrenaline rush days are over
> - to be built by a gimpy guy with hand toosl
>
> my experience includes building an 18 foot whitewater drift boat
> (dory) back in my adrenaline rush whitewater days, and a 14 foot
> stitch and glue kayak, both well used and abused, and no longer
> us.boat.
>
> i've gotten rid of my power shop. my only power tools now are a
> circular saw, a sander, and a 3/8 inch drill. but i have a good
> selection of hand tools. minimalist shop to build a minimalist
>this
> i have multiple sclerosis, which has rendered my right hand
> practically useless. i used to be right handed. i get around
> problem by doing things more slowly and teaching my left hand todo
> things it has never done before, usually with good results, butHi,
> usually only after cussing the damn thing I'm working on, and the
> damn tool i'm working with, and my damn hand.
>
> so does anyone have experience with such a boat?
Have you considered Birdwatcher, the basic one, at all? Did you see
the write-up in Woodenboat awhile back? I think it is the ideal
choice for "retired" kayakers and canoeists.
Are you familar with Duckworks forum? The moderator there might have
some ideas as he is a Texan. there are a few designs that he has
built and a lot of messing around in his native state and beyond.
Birdwatcher is basically a dory shape with raised side decks to give
you some shelter.
A tool I would consider you check out is a good quality random
orbital jigsaw. They are so much more capable than the little cheap
ones they used to sell and so are the blades, and I think are about
the easiest saw to use with both hands.
Best of luck. I am sure you will get lots more suggestions:-)
Cheers, Nels
i always thought bolger designs were cool, form follows function.
i've never built a bolger design.
i'm looking for advice on bolger design selection. i'm interested in
a boat with the following characteristics:
- about16 feet +/-
- efficient for rowing and for 5 hp or less
- adequate for 2 or 3 people and camping
supplies for several days
- stability and freeboard for floating rivers,
calm rivers like you would find in east
texas and southern oklahoma, not whitewater,
my whitewater adrenaline rush days are over
- to be built by a gimpy guy with hand toosl
my experience includes building an 18 foot whitewater drift boat
(dory) back in my adrenaline rush whitewater days, and a 14 foot
stitch and glue kayak, both well used and abused, and no longer with
us.
i've gotten rid of my power shop. my only power tools now are a
circular saw, a sander, and a 3/8 inch drill. but i have a good
selection of hand tools. minimalist shop to build a minimalist boat.
i have multiple sclerosis, which has rendered my right hand
practically useless. i used to be right handed. i get around this
problem by doing things more slowly and teaching my left hand to do
things it has never done before, usually with good results, but
usually only after cussing the damn thing I'm working on, and the
damn tool i'm working with, and my damn hand.
so does anyone have experience with such a boat?
i've never built a bolger design.
i'm looking for advice on bolger design selection. i'm interested in
a boat with the following characteristics:
- about16 feet +/-
- efficient for rowing and for 5 hp or less
- adequate for 2 or 3 people and camping
supplies for several days
- stability and freeboard for floating rivers,
calm rivers like you would find in east
texas and southern oklahoma, not whitewater,
my whitewater adrenaline rush days are over
- to be built by a gimpy guy with hand toosl
my experience includes building an 18 foot whitewater drift boat
(dory) back in my adrenaline rush whitewater days, and a 14 foot
stitch and glue kayak, both well used and abused, and no longer with
us.
i've gotten rid of my power shop. my only power tools now are a
circular saw, a sander, and a 3/8 inch drill. but i have a good
selection of hand tools. minimalist shop to build a minimalist boat.
i have multiple sclerosis, which has rendered my right hand
practically useless. i used to be right handed. i get around this
problem by doing things more slowly and teaching my left hand to do
things it has never done before, usually with good results, but
usually only after cussing the damn thing I'm working on, and the
damn tool i'm working with, and my damn hand.
so does anyone have experience with such a boat?