Re: Victorian river launch
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:
Oh yes,I saw that hatch too and right away my poor aching back
went "OUCH!", my crippled knees went"NOT AGAIN!" and my head
went"LOOK OUT!THUMP!FOOK!" for the umpteenth time into the same GD
deck beam. It is just too cruel to contemplate further :-)
And yes, I see the similarities to the MARK V 39. Unless my brain
has gone completely to ragu from over-exposure to heat and olympian
attempts at proper hydration with hop tea,did not the original
drawings of the MARK V 39 show a centerboard? I know this device was
later omitted but it always struck me as a somewhat premature
decision since Brad felt compelled to add a bowthruster to his MARK
V 39(only the 2nd one built to that design). And while I have no
doubt that Brad did a first class job with the bowthruster install,
it does look makeshift and spoils an otherwise handsome entry.
Bolger does show these forward centerboards on a number of his long
power sharpies and I believe they represent a simple,effective and
ellegant solution to low speed tracking in crosswind settings for
these shallow-nosed boats.
Mind you, if one is always getting into situations where only a
bowthruster can extract you,well.... you deserve the headaches of a
bowthruster :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,looking forward to the day when I can give my own
forward centerboard a good workout..............
> This is a very similiar boat to the markv39.under
> It appears their is a hatch on the for deck and you can crawl
> the wheel.to
>
> > Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting
> > observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marinamanouvering....
>V39.
>
> A bow thruster with "eye brows" would help as Brad did for his
Oh yes,I saw that hatch too and right away my poor aching back
went "OUCH!", my crippled knees went"NOT AGAIN!" and my head
went"LOOK OUT!THUMP!FOOK!" for the umpteenth time into the same GD
deck beam. It is just too cruel to contemplate further :-)
And yes, I see the similarities to the MARK V 39. Unless my brain
has gone completely to ragu from over-exposure to heat and olympian
attempts at proper hydration with hop tea,did not the original
drawings of the MARK V 39 show a centerboard? I know this device was
later omitted but it always struck me as a somewhat premature
decision since Brad felt compelled to add a bowthruster to his MARK
V 39(only the 2nd one built to that design). And while I have no
doubt that Brad did a first class job with the bowthruster install,
it does look makeshift and spoils an otherwise handsome entry.
Bolger does show these forward centerboards on a number of his long
power sharpies and I believe they represent a simple,effective and
ellegant solution to low speed tracking in crosswind settings for
these shallow-nosed boats.
Mind you, if one is always getting into situations where only a
bowthruster can extract you,well.... you deserve the headaches of a
bowthruster :-D
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,looking forward to the day when I can give my own
forward centerboard a good workout..............
Some of the Bolger designs have this feature.
Howard
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hamm" <griff10us@y...> wrote:
> I suspect that all of the long, lean, sharpie style Bolger
> powerboats would benifit from a forward mounted dagger or
> centerboard to give some hope of manuvering in a crosswind. That
> board doesn't have to be really big, a pie shaped centerboard done
> in aluminum plate would seem to be the ideal.
Certainly twin engines will help with manuvering, but with a very long
boat with a relatively tiny beam, the effect will be minimized to a
great extent.
Bill H.
boat with a relatively tiny beam, the effect will be minimized to a
great extent.
Bill H.
> > > Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interestingto
> > > observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marinamanouvering....
> >gear
>
> Can the duel motors be used for easy maneuvering.? One in forward
> and one in reverse back etc.
>
> eric s
I suspect that all of the long, lean, sharpie style Bolger
powerboats would benifit from a forward mounted dagger or
centerboard to give some hope of manuvering in a crosswind. That
board doesn't have to be really big, a pie shaped centerboard done
in aluminum plate would seem to be the ideal.
Bill H.
powerboats would benifit from a forward mounted dagger or
centerboard to give some hope of manuvering in a crosswind. That
board doesn't have to be really big, a pie shaped centerboard done
in aluminum plate would seem to be the ideal.
Bill H.
> > Really a nice looking boat and worth the asking price. Another10
> > grand to finish it off properly maybe? The engines and trailerand
> allmay
> > those bronze bits and brightwork - wow!
> >
> > Nels
>
> Very nice indeed and at that price.....WELL!.....sounds like he
> be asking only what he has in her so far.The person who buys herhas
> all the hard work done and has to do nothing more then all thatBolgers'
> small,fussy,finiky interior work(the stuff I hate !)......
> It is however interesting to compare this boat with some of
> State and Lake series boats.Inparticular, note how on Bolgers'showing
> designs,very little,if any,space is given over to looks.For
> example,the foredeck on the "launch";how does one get to it,what
> does one hold onto once there and what about anchoring
> issues,especially in windy rock-n-roll conditions? Bolger neatly
> addresses all of this with his bow cockpits on the Lake series and
> most of his State series boats.
> Furthermore,the boxkeel on the Lake series,especially those
> the "fillet piece",will undoubtedly offer smoother rides,inrougher
> conditions,then the Victorian launch.elses
> It will be interesting to see how the future owner deals with rain
> water running down inside the boat via the windows....and am I
> seeing things or do the two outboards AND rudder turn together?
> Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting to
> observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marina manouvering....
>
> Anyway, I do not intend this to be a cheap knocking of someone
> boat/efforts. It is just that I am always "looking" at other boatswitness
> to see how they hold up to Windermere and visa-versa and to
> practical considerations of Bolgers' genius
>
> At any rate,a very nice looking boat and I hope the owner gets his
> asking price soon as she is certainly worth it.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,from along the sunny shores of the
> St.Lawrence..........
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:
While lurking and absorbing vast amounts of the archives I have taken
an interest in the Lake/River high aspect electric powered launches.
With the recent introduction of the DiPietro? air-powered rotary and
the solar boosted battery-electric motors my thoughts stray to small
lateral bow-thrusters. For those who are willing to accept HGWellsian
solutions
- Any thoughts?
Harry
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:Dilemma Victorian vs. Practical Bolger vs. New TechnoStuff.
>
> >
> > > Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting to
> > > observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marina manouvering....
> >
>
> Can the duel motors be used for easy maneuvering.? One in forward gear
> and one in reverse back etc.
>
> eric s
While lurking and absorbing vast amounts of the archives I have taken
an interest in the Lake/River high aspect electric powered launches.
With the recent introduction of the DiPietro? air-powered rotary and
the solar boosted battery-electric motors my thoughts stray to small
lateral bow-thrusters. For those who are willing to accept HGWellsian
solutions
- Any thoughts?
Harry
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:
likely drain the anchor well maybe?
In the last photo it looks like it has a ful length shallow keel.
Not sure how much that would help in docking in windy conditions.
The front windows look a lot like the ones in my mobile home and
they are very weather proof although they have lockdowns in addition
to cranks. But there is no overhangs on the roof like Windermere has
where the windows are protected from drips and water running down
off the roof.
I wonder what would be the result if one was steaming along at about
6 knots and went over a deadhead that was close enough to the
surface to catch the motors and rudder. It could cause some rather
extensive damage I would suggest. I wonder if the motors raise
vertically when not in use? Seems like that whole stern assembly is
very vulnerable, but I gues that is the case with any motorboat.
Nels
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:to
>
> >
> > > Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting
> > > observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marinamanouvering....
> >gear
>
> Can the duel motors be used for easy maneuvering.? One in forward
> and one in reverse back etc.In photo number 6 it looks like there are scuppers near the bow that
>
> eric s
likely drain the anchor well maybe?
In the last photo it looks like it has a ful length shallow keel.
Not sure how much that would help in docking in windy conditions.
The front windows look a lot like the ones in my mobile home and
they are very weather proof although they have lockdowns in addition
to cranks. But there is no overhangs on the roof like Windermere has
where the windows are protected from drips and water running down
off the roof.
I wonder what would be the result if one was steaming along at about
6 knots and went over a deadhead that was close enough to the
surface to catch the motors and rudder. It could cause some rather
extensive damage I would suggest. I wonder if the motors raise
vertically when not in use? Seems like that whole stern assembly is
very vulnerable, but I gues that is the case with any motorboat.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@y...> wrote:
and one in reverse back etc.
eric s
>Can the duel motors be used for easy maneuvering.? One in forward gear
> > Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting to
> > observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marina manouvering....
>
and one in reverse back etc.
eric s
This is a very similiar boat to the markv39.
http://markvdesigns.tripod.com/boatbuilding/
Brad is asking $65,000.00 for his
http://bradsboat.tripod.com
the wheel.
Sincerely,
eric schadow ,from along the sunny shores of the
Mohawk ...............
http://markvdesigns.tripod.com/boatbuilding/
Brad is asking $65,000.00 for his
http://bradsboat.tripod.com
> designs,very little,if any,space is given over to looks.ForIt appears their is a hatch on the for deck and you can crawl under
> example,the foredeck on the "launch";how does one get to it,what
the wheel.
> Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting toA bow thruster with "eye brows" would help as Brad did for his V39.
> observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marina manouvering....
>I concur - The workmenship is top notch.
>
> At any rate,a very nice looking boat and I hope the owner gets his
> asking price soon as she is certainly worth it.
>
Sincerely,
eric schadow ,from along the sunny shores of the
Mohawk ...............
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
be asking only what he has in her so far.The person who buys her has
all the hard work done and has to do nothing more then all that
small,fussy,finiky interior work(the stuff I hate !)......
It is however interesting to compare this boat with some of Bolgers'
State and Lake series boats.Inparticular, note how on Bolgers'
designs,very little,if any,space is given over to looks.For
example,the foredeck on the "launch";how does one get to it,what
does one hold onto once there and what about anchoring
issues,especially in windy rock-n-roll conditions? Bolger neatly
addresses all of this with his bow cockpits on the Lake series and
most of his State series boats.
Furthermore,the boxkeel on the Lake series,especially those showing
the "fillet piece",will undoubtedly offer smoother rides,in rougher
conditions,then the Victorian launch.
It will be interesting to see how the future owner deals with rain
water running down inside the boat via the windows....and am I
seeing things or do the two outboards AND rudder turn together?
Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting to
observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marina manouvering....
Anyway, I do not intend this to be a cheap knocking of someone elses
boat/efforts. It is just that I am always "looking" at other boats
to see how they hold up to Windermere and visa-versa and to witness
practical considerations of Bolgers' genius
At any rate,a very nice looking boat and I hope the owner gets his
asking price soon as she is certainly worth it.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from along the sunny shores of the
St.Lawrence..........
> Really a nice looking boat and worth the asking price. Another 10all
> grand to finish it off properly maybe? The engines and trailer and
> those bronze bits and brightwork - wow!Very nice indeed and at that price.....WELL!.....sounds like he may
>
> Nels
be asking only what he has in her so far.The person who buys her has
all the hard work done and has to do nothing more then all that
small,fussy,finiky interior work(the stuff I hate !)......
It is however interesting to compare this boat with some of Bolgers'
State and Lake series boats.Inparticular, note how on Bolgers'
designs,very little,if any,space is given over to looks.For
example,the foredeck on the "launch";how does one get to it,what
does one hold onto once there and what about anchoring
issues,especially in windy rock-n-roll conditions? Bolger neatly
addresses all of this with his bow cockpits on the Lake series and
most of his State series boats.
Furthermore,the boxkeel on the Lake series,especially those showing
the "fillet piece",will undoubtedly offer smoother rides,in rougher
conditions,then the Victorian launch.
It will be interesting to see how the future owner deals with rain
water running down inside the boat via the windows....and am I
seeing things or do the two outboards AND rudder turn together?
Without any skegs or centerboard,this boat will be interesting to
observe in lowspeed/crosswind settings,like marina manouvering....
Anyway, I do not intend this to be a cheap knocking of someone elses
boat/efforts. It is just that I am always "looking" at other boats
to see how they hold up to Windermere and visa-versa and to witness
practical considerations of Bolgers' genius
At any rate,a very nice looking boat and I hope the owner gets his
asking price soon as she is certainly worth it.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,from along the sunny shores of the
St.Lawrence..........
Thanks, Nels, I didn't see the other pics. Now I've looked at them I'm
even more surprised that the vendor estimates only 60% of the work is
done. It has to be value for money, but it's not the kind of boat many
people would want although no doubt several members of this group
would.
It would look just right tied up to my pontoon.
Howard
even more surprised that the vendor estimates only 60% of the work is
done. It has to be value for money, but it's not the kind of boat many
people would want although no doubt several members of this group
would.
It would look just right tied up to my pontoon.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<stephensonhw@a...>
> wrote:
> > Lovely, isn't it? They say it's only 60% completed, suggesting the
> > interior is not yet fitted out.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> Perhaps you never noticed Howard but if you click on the photo you
can
> view 30 others, including the interior.
>
> Really a nice looking boat and worth the asking price. Another 10
> grand to finish it off properly maybe? The engines and trailer and
all
> those bronze bits and brightwork - wow!
>
> Nels
> Perhaps you never noticed Howard but if you click onWow==thanks for the tip about access to the interior
> the photo you can
> view 30 others, including the interior.
>
> Nels
photos. What a pretty vessel. I am afraid there must
be some tragedy associated with her sale. Looking at
the shape of the hull aft, I am even more convinced
that she could make hull speed with the engines at
about 3/4 speed--a quiet and econmical 7 or 8 kts.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@a...>
wrote:
view 30 others, including the interior.
Really a nice looking boat and worth the asking price. Another 10
grand to finish it off properly maybe? The engines and trailer and all
those bronze bits and brightwork - wow!
Nels
wrote:
> Lovely, isn't it? They say it's only 60% completed, suggesting thePerhaps you never noticed Howard but if you click on the photo you can
> interior is not yet fitted out.
>
> Howard
>
view 30 others, including the interior.
Really a nice looking boat and worth the asking price. Another 10
grand to finish it off properly maybe? The engines and trailer and all
those bronze bits and brightwork - wow!
Nels
Lovely, isn't it? They say it's only 60% completed, suggesting the
interior is not yet fitted out.
Howard
interior is not yet fitted out.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711" <chodges@a...> wrote:
> This boat is for sale in WoodenBoat.
> It has the flavor of a Bolger state series.
> Maybe like a Dakota in a picnic version.
> Brightwork and glass looks good.
>
>http://www.victorianriverlaunch.info
This boat is for sale in WoodenBoat.
It has the flavor of a Bolger state series.
Maybe like a Dakota in a picnic version.
Brightwork and glass looks good.
http://www.victorianriverlaunch.info
Charles
It has the flavor of a Bolger state series.
Maybe like a Dakota in a picnic version.
Brightwork and glass looks good.
http://www.victorianriverlaunch.info
Charles