Auriga
Susanne wrote:
"As to AURIGA, she underwent a series of mostly productive reconsideration on the part of PB&F and the Kolbs. Her plans are well advanced and are a rigorous treatment of the live-aboard global-reaching 50' advanced sharpie subject. Between above-mentioned distractions and thus delays, and changing life circumstances for the Kolbs, their 40-foot shed in a high-country valley may see a much scaled-down project emerge within its protection from Colorado mountain weather."
This is all true, and perhaps some additional clarifications would be helpful.
There is no doubt that the design is capable and well suited to full time living at sea. We just felt that the design had become too large, complicated, and expensive for me to build working mostly alone, and that it would be too much for my wife to handle alone on the open ocean. There was, and probably still is, some difference of opinion between Susanne and us on this point, but ultimately it was our project and our determination to make.
We had been waiting over 7 years, and were not confident in the timelines being discussed for her completion because of past experience. With the scale of the project, we worried that by the time we got to sea, we'd be too old to start learning to cross oceans. We decided to scale back our goals to coastal cruising and island hopping.
We had made clear that she would be built outside early on, but there was apparently some misunderstanding on this point. My main concern regarding building was the cost and time. I estimated that it might take 10 years or more for me to build such a large vessel alone and part time. There was apparently a perception that we had amassed a large sum of money to apply to the project and would immediately build full time, which we had not and were not likely to do.
The combination of these and lesser considerations led us to terminate the commission and request a more modest coastal cruising design from existing plans in the PB&F portfolio. We did not make this decision lightly, and it was not well received.
Since then, I have been unsuccessful in finding a stock plan to start with, and have been experimenting with my own ideas. We'd still like to know if there's a suitable stock PB&F plan that we could purchase, but I take it that lack of visibility into the portfolio is part of how the recent thread got started. Nevertheless, if that door is cracked, we're interested.
I sold the FastBrick cheap to a nice young couple from Alaska to use as a day boat on the lakes of Minnesota in summer. It's good to see it get used instead of sitting outside the shop reminding me of our failure. In the meantime, my wife's company folded, reducing our means, and I'm pulling 60 hour weeks, all but eliminating design experimentation. All the while, the years thunder by, as the old quote begins.
Jon
"As to AURIGA, she underwent a series of mostly productive reconsideration on the part of PB&F and the Kolbs. Her plans are well advanced and are a rigorous treatment of the live-aboard global-reaching 50' advanced sharpie subject. Between above-mentioned distractions and thus delays, and changing life circumstances for the Kolbs, their 40-foot shed in a high-country valley may see a much scaled-down project emerge within its protection from Colorado mountain weather."
This is all true, and perhaps some additional clarifications would be helpful.
There is no doubt that the design is capable and well suited to full time living at sea. We just felt that the design had become too large, complicated, and expensive for me to build working mostly alone, and that it would be too much for my wife to handle alone on the open ocean. There was, and probably still is, some difference of opinion between Susanne and us on this point, but ultimately it was our project and our determination to make.
We had been waiting over 7 years, and were not confident in the timelines being discussed for her completion because of past experience. With the scale of the project, we worried that by the time we got to sea, we'd be too old to start learning to cross oceans. We decided to scale back our goals to coastal cruising and island hopping.
We had made clear that she would be built outside early on, but there was apparently some misunderstanding on this point. My main concern regarding building was the cost and time. I estimated that it might take 10 years or more for me to build such a large vessel alone and part time. There was apparently a perception that we had amassed a large sum of money to apply to the project and would immediately build full time, which we had not and were not likely to do.
The combination of these and lesser considerations led us to terminate the commission and request a more modest coastal cruising design from existing plans in the PB&F portfolio. We did not make this decision lightly, and it was not well received.
Since then, I have been unsuccessful in finding a stock plan to start with, and have been experimenting with my own ideas. We'd still like to know if there's a suitable stock PB&F plan that we could purchase, but I take it that lack of visibility into the portfolio is part of how the recent thread got started. Nevertheless, if that door is cracked, we're interested.
I sold the FastBrick cheap to a nice young couple from Alaska to use as a day boat on the lakes of Minnesota in summer. It's good to see it get used instead of sitting outside the shop reminding me of our failure. In the meantime, my wife's company folded, reducing our means, and I'm pulling 60 hour weeks, all but eliminating design experimentation. All the while, the years thunder by, as the old quote begins.
Jon
Well done Garth!
Thanks for sharing again. I had not seen any other postings of your success. I used your system of glassing panels flat with film on my Birdwatcher2, (still under construction ), which saved me hours of fairing.
Best wishes,
David lipsey
Thanks for sharing again. I had not seen any other postings of your success. I used your system of glassing panels flat with film on my Birdwatcher2, (still under construction ), which saved me hours of fairing.
Best wishes,
David lipsey
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Subject: [bolger] Cormorant launch
> > (recently launched my 31' Michalak Cormorant and of course the words
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> > (recently launched my 31' Michalak Cormorant and of course the wordsHi Sue --
> > "liveaboard schooner" just make me forget all the exhaustion and start
> > dreaming of the next . . .)
>
> Congratulations! Do tell.... :-)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
I posted some of the initial Cormorant reports over on the Michalak
group and Shallowwatersailors. Then I worried that some people would
be getting the same post three times, so I never crossposted to
Bolger. But anyway -- I worked myself to near-collapse through May and
June, abandoning my business and my family in the insane drive to sail
this thing in 2005, and launched "Sea Fever" on July 7 on Indian Lake
in the Adirondacks. Everything worked -- she floated right-side up! We
happily lived on board for four days, but that trip was not a real
shakedown cruise. Swirly winds and several rainy days really kept the
sailing to a minimum. Later in July we took the boat out to Cape Cod
for a friend's wedding, and gave it a true test -- more of a test than
I'd expected.
Basically, I'm over the moon about this boat. It brought us to
isolated stretches of beach where no one else was, just a mile or two
from harbors crowded like boat parking lots. It beautifully rode out
some big winds and big waves. And now it awaits our next whim.
I'll paste in a couple of items I sent to Jim Michalak, or posted to
other groups, and I apologize to anyone who has already read much of this.
-- I keep thinking how this boat is the ideal combination of big boat
and small boat. You can trailer it wherever you want to sail, sail it
into shallow water, beach it or anchor it as you please. The only
small-boat thing you can't do is haul it up on shore above the
tideline -- but that seems a small thing to give up. We just paid
attention to the tides and always knew when to keep the dinghy handy.
(By the way -- we were able to comfortably trailer it at 65 mph on the
highways.) Then, as a big boat -- you can live aboard, possibly spend
weeks at a time aboard, bring tons of gear and food and water (again
we brought the girls' 9-foot plastic slide!), and sail through
horrible weather if necessary. It's just incredible, and I'm overjoyed
at how it all worked out. It was some of the happiest time of my life
-- to feel all the exhaustion and suffering of the building process be
rewarded with a perfect family vacation, and us gaining access to a
huge world otherwise unattainable by the boatless. Paradise.
[Sue - I believe the I-60 will soon take the "ideal combination of big
boat and small boat" title]
-- And here's the longer version of our Cape Cod story:
We had an amazing time living aboard Cormorant (christened "Sea
Fever") in Provincetown harbor for 5 days. The tide there was rising
and falling about 12 feet a day with the full moon. We'd be high and
dry up on the beach for breakfast, swimming off the boat at lunchtime,
walking the flats again by dinner. It was a blissful time for me and
my wife and two girls. We moved around, took little sails here and
there across the harbor (West End to Long Point, then to the
lighthouse, then to the East End, etc.) anchoring here and there,
usually just running it aground as the tide allowed and staying for a
while. Many shells were collected, and tidal pools investigated. Of
all the harbors I've ever seen, it is the most alive. It's a couple of
miles across and fresh sea water flushes the whole place twice a day.
The number of snails, clams, crabs, fish of all sizes, mussels,
eelgrass, etc. was just mind-boggling. On high tides I'd go
spearfishing (many attempts, no luck) where at low tide I'd been
walking around.
We rigged a 8' x 15' white tarp with tent poles running crosswise as a
canopy over our cockpit and hatch, supported along the mast folded
down in the tabernacle, so we could escape the mid-day sun. Most days
were hot and humid and mild, with only gentle winds. We rode out a
nighttime thunderstorm with no trouble, just stayed up and watched the
lightning. We attended a few wedding-related events, just walking
ashore for one party, and for the wedding itself we returned late at
night and rowed our dinghy out to the boat, our sleepy children just
awake enough to get themselves aboard.
For our last two days we gave up the shallow-water life and sailed
from P-town down to Wellfleet, about 7 miles, surfing along on gentle
3-foot waves with a following wind. We beached the boat at Great
Island, walked the beach, had a picnic dinner, swam and played, spent
the night, and left the next morning at 6 a.m. to beat the falling
tide. Our weather radio mysteriously quit working that morning, so all
we had was the prior day's forecast of 10-15 knot winds from the SW.
The wind had shifted into the west during the night, so we had to beat
out of the harbor, and once we turned north to return to Provincetown,
huge rollers were coming in off the bay, more or less directly into
our port side, lifting us, rolling us, occasionally breaking and
spraying water into the boat. We stayed well offshore to avoid the
breakers in by the beach -- but with the falling tide it seemed that
we needed to be nearly a mile out. It went from exhilarating to
worrisome to mildly terrifying as we neared P-town and the wind kept
picking up, past 20 knots to 25 and higher in gusts, and the waves
just kept growing. The swells were in the 8-10 foot range, with a high
percentage of them breaking at their tops, whitecaps everywhere.
But bless this boat! With its 1000 lbs. of water ballast, and the
leeboard mostly up, we were able to bob and roll and slide over nearly
all the swells. The worst of them were very steep and threw us
sideways, maybe tilting us to 40 or 45 degrees briefly. We had two
reefs in the main and the mizzen rolled down to about half-size, and
still we blasted along on this nasty rollercoaster of a beam reach. It
was the sort of trip that would be scary fun if it was just you and a
buddy, but it's awful when you have your loved ones aboard, and you
wonder who might get thrown overboard, and how you'd manage a rescue
in the rough conditions.
Anyway -- the white knuckles got to relax as we finally made it past
the P-town breakwater, and with great relief ran her aground out on
the flats. The gale (or near-gale) continued to blow all day, kicking
up 3 and 4-foot waves even in the protected areas of the harbor. The
only boats we saw going out were an 80-foot schooner and a big
whale-watch boat. A lobsterman we talked to later said he'd stayed in
as it was too rough to check his traps.
We had a hell of a time taking the boat out and getting her on her
trailer for the trip home -- but all worked out in the end, with the
assistance of some very kind strangers; and I'm left with the memories
of incredibly happy days. -- And an incredible boat. Jim Michalak
deserves high praise for this design.
--------------------
Okay -- more than you probably wanted to know -- but only a fraction
of what there is to tell.
I hope to get a bunch of photos off to Chuck sometime soon for display
at Duckworks. Also, I sent a few pix to Jim M. and he says he'll write
the boat up in his Aug. 15 newsletter.
Best wishes,
Garth
> GarthCongratulations! Do tell.... :-)
> (recently launched my 31' Michalak Cormorant and of course the words
> "liveaboard schooner" just make me forget all the exhaustion and start
> dreaming of the next . . .)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Its not really a complaint as such, more a statement of fact, and rather dissapointing. After sending him (Bolger) close to $1000 (AuD) about 3 years ago and not even seeing a rough sketch, even though he seemed very enthusiastic about the design proposal when we spoke on the phone a couple of times.Its about 18 months since I've heard anything from him. I sent him a letter nearly 3 months ago and still have had no reply, I suspect that there may not be any progress on the design to reply about!!? It doesn't matter really because we're busy at the moment building a Lobsterboat to one of Bolger's designs. The only thing is that if the design isn't finished within the next 18-24 months my father won't be interested in building it as he doesn't intend to build any large boats( over 20') when he reaches 70. I myself don't have the experience or skills at the moment to contemplate building the "Snow Leopard/ Silver Blaze" design(If its ever finished!) and do the design justice.
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
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My ambition in life is, at 78 to have people complaining that I am not
producing enough original design work to keep them happy. Design is
taxing and difficult at 28! Be thankful, that you can still complain,
for what you have from HIM.
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john h wright <jhargrovewright2@...> wrote:
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producing enough original design work to keep them happy. Design is
taxing and difficult at 28! Be thankful, that you can still complain,
for what you have from HIM.
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My ambition in life is, at 78 to have people complaining that I am not
producing enough original design work to keep them happy. Design is
taxing and difficult at 28! Be thankful, that you can still complain,
for what you have from HIM.
producing enough original design work to keep them happy. Design is
taxing and difficult at 28! Be thankful, that you can still complain,
for what you have from HIM.
Perhaps this thread will put to rest the frequent calls complaining about
the lack of a design catalog from PCB&F.
There's only so much a 78 year old man can do, and who can blame him for
focusing on what he wants to do!
the lack of a design catalog from PCB&F.
There's only so much a 78 year old man can do, and who can blame him for
focusing on what he wants to do!
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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Lobster Boat Construction pictures/ LINK added to
Bolger5 files
> > > PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans
> may
> > never be completed???
>
> Please remember that Mr. Bolger is also supporting his designs. I was
> interested in an extended version of the Bantam (Design #654); we
> exchanged a letter or two in a reasonable time, and with no delay, the
> plans were available, with my requirements met. This may have been
> coincidental timing with another person's previous building of this
> design, feedback to Mr. Bolger, and desire for the same development as
> myself, however, it was a very good experience. Considering the time
> involved in their development, these plans are an incredible bargain.
> Over his lifetime, Mr. Bolger has considerably advanced both boat
> design, and home boat building. I see no reason to criticise his
> creativity and output at an age when most would be enjoying their well
> deserved retirement.
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> > PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plansmay
> never be completed???Please remember that Mr. Bolger is also supporting his designs. I was
interested in an extended version of the Bantam (Design #654); we
exchanged a letter or two in a reasonable time, and with no delay, the
plans were available, with my requirements met. This may have been
coincidental timing with another person's previous building of this
design, feedback to Mr. Bolger, and desire for the same development as
myself, however, it was a very good experience. Considering the time
involved in their development, these plans are an incredible bargain.
Over his lifetime, Mr. Bolger has considerably advanced both boat
design, and home boat building. I see no reason to criticise his
creativity and output at an age when most would be enjoying their well
deserved retirement.
Hi Garth,
All I know is that it's ahead of ours!
Jon Kolb
> Thanks, Jon for that excellent description. All I can say is, HolyHow about Shine, design #667 - anybody know something about that one?
> Cow! I hope Phil and Suzanne finish your commission soon. And the
> I-60. Then I can writhe in agony deciding which one to build for my
> retirement home . . .
All I know is that it's ahead of ours!
Jon Kolb
Hi Bruce,
Milky Way. The five brightest stars in the constellation make a
pentagon-shaped asterism easily seen with the naked eye even in fairly
light-polluted areas, with the brightest star being Capella. There are
lots of interesting sights in Auriga, most of which can be enjoyed with
low-powered binoculars. I captured a Leonid fireball, complete with
lingering smoke train, exploding in the atmosphere seemingly right next
to Capella during the Leonid meteor storm of 2001:
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/monster_in_auriga.htm
dealers for a lot of things I need. We do have relatives in Surrey, as
it turns out, but I'm not sure that will be any help.
to build her on, I carefully went over with the state of Colorado all
of the restrictions for the highway in my area and other factors.
We'll need a wide load permit, but probably won't need to hire a pilot
car (if we stay under 12' wide). Luckily, there are no old overpasses
(or any overpasses) between our land and I-25. There's only two
mountain passes to get over, one at 9500' and one at 9000', but the
boat will be starting out at 8800' so it's not much of a climb. 95% of
the trip from our land to the interstate is downhill, and of course to
the ocean is all downhill from CO. We'll probably launch at Corpus
Christi. That day seems a long way off right now.
motor with a 100 gallon tank, but since we've gone to the diesel, I've
seen no information from PB&F on range under power or tank capacity. I
suppose it could be roughly similar to whatever Fiji can carry, since
the hold and battery arrangement will also be somewhat similar. I
still wish it were going to be all electric.
Jon Kolb
> Is there an origin of the name, let me guess, a star?Auriga is a favorite northern constellation right smack in the winter
Milky Way. The five brightest stars in the constellation make a
pentagon-shaped asterism easily seen with the naked eye even in fairly
light-polluted areas, with the brightest star being Capella. There are
lots of interesting sights in Auriga, most of which can be enjoyed with
low-powered binoculars. I captured a Leonid fireball, complete with
lingering smoke train, exploding in the atmosphere seemingly right next
to Capella during the Leonid meteor storm of 2001:
http://home.datawest.net/jkolb/monster_in_auriga.htm
> > a Sonic catamaran outdrive.I'll have to work that out with Sonic. There are no Rocky Mountain
>
> Where will you buy your outdrive?
>
> I can't image a Rocky Mountain dealer for Sonic.
dealers for a lot of things I need. We do have relatives in Surrey, as
it turns out, but I'm not sure that will be any help.
> > 11' beam,Yes, but should be manageable. Before we bought the land we're going
>
> Is trucking an 11' load to the ocean an issue?
to build her on, I carefully went over with the state of Colorado all
of the restrictions for the highway in my area and other factors.
We'll need a wide load permit, but probably won't need to hire a pilot
car (if we stay under 12' wide). Luckily, there are no old overpasses
(or any overpasses) between our land and I-25. There's only two
mountain passes to get over, one at 9500' and one at 9000', but the
boat will be starting out at 8800' so it's not much of a climb. 95% of
the trip from our land to the interstate is downhill, and of course to
the ocean is all downhill from CO. We'll probably launch at Corpus
Christi. That day seems a long way off right now.
> > tankageI haven't a clue. The original proposal was for a 25 hp. gas Onan
>
> How much fuel? IOW, how much range under motor power?
motor with a 100 gallon tank, but since we've gone to the diesel, I've
seen no information from PB&F on range under power or tank capacity. I
suppose it could be roughly similar to whatever Fiji can carry, since
the hold and battery arrangement will also be somewhat similar. I
still wish it were going to be all electric.
Jon Kolb
Thanks, Jon for that excellent description. All I can say is, Holy
Cow! I hope Phil and Suzanne finish your commission soon. And the
I-60. Then I can writhe in agony deciding which one to build for my
retirement home . . .
Best of luck,
Garth
Cow! I hope Phil and Suzanne finish your commission soon. And the
I-60. Then I can writhe in agony deciding which one to build for my
retirement home . . .
Best of luck,
Garth
> AurigaIs there an origin of the name, let me guess, a star?
> a Sonic catamaran outdrive.Where will you buy your outdrive?
I can't image a Rocky Mountain dealer for Sonic.
> 11' beam,Is trucking an 11' load to the ocean an issue?
> tankageHow much fuel? IOW, how much range under motor power?
Hi Garth,
it hasn't been written up anywhere, although there have been cryptic
references to "other cruising boats" in some articles like the
FastrBrick writeup in MAIB. I'm hesitant to post any scans of the
proposal drawings because we're still negotiating (if you can call it
that given the limited communication) the aesthetics and because it's
copyrighted material.
We haven't seen the final lines from which calculations have been
done, but she should be right around 49' in length, around 11' beam,
and just shy of 27,000 lbs displacement. In profile, she looks much
like Fiji, but with a little longer wheelhouse and a much longer
afterdeck.
The afterdeck is long enough to store the 12' FastBrick on a
launching ramp that lowers via cable winch from horizontal to angled
launching position. This was in response to my requirement that the
cruiser have a launch capable of getting several hundred pounds of
astrophotography gear safely ashore. The idea is that the FastBrick
can be loaded up while still on deck, then winched down the lowered
ramp. The ramp is over (and mostly covers) the "outside and wet"
engine room, which will have a 3-cylinder Deutz driving a Sonic
catamaran outdrive.
Originally, we had specified electric auxilliary power, but PB&F
talked us out of it since we wanted the boat to be world-capable (but
not at high latitudes) and they felt that the current battery and
regeneration technology wasn't up to an all-electric auxilliary that
might be a couple thousand miles from land when a medical emergency
or something similar cropped up. We were disappointed but agreed.
The layout is pretty straightforward. Just ahead of the engine room
is an office or saloon or second stateroom. We'll probably use it as
a saloon. Going forward and up a few steps is the wheelhouse, which
has the galley, a dinette, chart desk, and I've specified high seats
on either side of a steering station (ala Fiji). Going forward and
down a few steps is the head, then the forward cabin with a large
double, and finally a dive-through passageway into a standing room
just ahead of the foremast from which one can enter the bow well.
Below the wheelhouse is a large hold, large industrial battery banks,
tankage, and the off-centerboard. The rest of the hull is typical of
current PCB thinking: plywood sharpie hull, steel plate belly
armour/ballast, developable anti-slap pad under the bow, masts in
tabernacles, and air-cooled diesel with outdrive.
The rig is not commonly seen, but is not bizarre by Bolger
standards. It's really a double sloop, with two identical pairs of
gaff sails with staysails on rollers. Phil told me to talk about it
as a schooner, since a separate set of nomenclature does not exist
for a double sloop, and because it fits the typical definition of a
schooner anyway. The masts fold down, of course, but in order to
keep the staysail luffs tight, they both have a single set of
shrouds. The gaff sails look just like the typical PB&F Chinese gaff
sails, but have standard sheeting on the booms and will likely have
wire boom vangs. Total sail area is now supposedly 1042 square feet,
with no sail larger than about 400 square feet, to be manageable by
either myself or my wife alone. The whole rig is supposed to be
controllable from inside the wheelhouse, but with six halyards and
four sheets, not to mention reefing lines, I'm dubious about the
practicality of that arrangement and have asked if we can run
everything to the outside aft end of the wheelhouse, or at least only
run sheets inside.
Oh yeah, she's to have twin fixed rudders, between which the
launching ramp can lower, with a skeg on center to guard the prop
when the outdrive is lowered. The rudders and skeg are meant to
carry some of the lateral load along with the centerboard. Outside
steering is via twin wheels stationed on either side of the aft
wheelhouse bulkhead. I wanted a single big tiller, but the launching
ramp solution is so attractive, I'm prepared to accept the additional
complexity and much higher cost of the wheel steering gear.
I expect her to sail well and surely be faster than Fiji. The
original proposal was for for a beam of only 9.9', and there was
mention of seatbelts in the first text we recieved. Later, Phil told
me the boat needed another foot or so of beam, and I'm hopeful that
this will eliminate the need for physical restraints. Hull draft is
about 25", by the way.
Heck, all this talk of Auriga sure makes me wish we'd get an update
on her.
Jon Kolb
> Forgive my ignorance, but can you tell us anything more aboutAuriga?
> Was it ever written up in 'Messing About in Boats' at the conceptdesign
> stage? What are its dimensions, construction method, and basic
> brief?I doubt anybody has heard about Auriga unless from PB&F directly, as
it hasn't been written up anywhere, although there have been cryptic
references to "other cruising boats" in some articles like the
FastrBrick writeup in MAIB. I'm hesitant to post any scans of the
proposal drawings because we're still negotiating (if you can call it
that given the limited communication) the aesthetics and because it's
copyrighted material.
We haven't seen the final lines from which calculations have been
done, but she should be right around 49' in length, around 11' beam,
and just shy of 27,000 lbs displacement. In profile, she looks much
like Fiji, but with a little longer wheelhouse and a much longer
afterdeck.
The afterdeck is long enough to store the 12' FastBrick on a
launching ramp that lowers via cable winch from horizontal to angled
launching position. This was in response to my requirement that the
cruiser have a launch capable of getting several hundred pounds of
astrophotography gear safely ashore. The idea is that the FastBrick
can be loaded up while still on deck, then winched down the lowered
ramp. The ramp is over (and mostly covers) the "outside and wet"
engine room, which will have a 3-cylinder Deutz driving a Sonic
catamaran outdrive.
Originally, we had specified electric auxilliary power, but PB&F
talked us out of it since we wanted the boat to be world-capable (but
not at high latitudes) and they felt that the current battery and
regeneration technology wasn't up to an all-electric auxilliary that
might be a couple thousand miles from land when a medical emergency
or something similar cropped up. We were disappointed but agreed.
The layout is pretty straightforward. Just ahead of the engine room
is an office or saloon or second stateroom. We'll probably use it as
a saloon. Going forward and up a few steps is the wheelhouse, which
has the galley, a dinette, chart desk, and I've specified high seats
on either side of a steering station (ala Fiji). Going forward and
down a few steps is the head, then the forward cabin with a large
double, and finally a dive-through passageway into a standing room
just ahead of the foremast from which one can enter the bow well.
Below the wheelhouse is a large hold, large industrial battery banks,
tankage, and the off-centerboard. The rest of the hull is typical of
current PCB thinking: plywood sharpie hull, steel plate belly
armour/ballast, developable anti-slap pad under the bow, masts in
tabernacles, and air-cooled diesel with outdrive.
The rig is not commonly seen, but is not bizarre by Bolger
standards. It's really a double sloop, with two identical pairs of
gaff sails with staysails on rollers. Phil told me to talk about it
as a schooner, since a separate set of nomenclature does not exist
for a double sloop, and because it fits the typical definition of a
schooner anyway. The masts fold down, of course, but in order to
keep the staysail luffs tight, they both have a single set of
shrouds. The gaff sails look just like the typical PB&F Chinese gaff
sails, but have standard sheeting on the booms and will likely have
wire boom vangs. Total sail area is now supposedly 1042 square feet,
with no sail larger than about 400 square feet, to be manageable by
either myself or my wife alone. The whole rig is supposed to be
controllable from inside the wheelhouse, but with six halyards and
four sheets, not to mention reefing lines, I'm dubious about the
practicality of that arrangement and have asked if we can run
everything to the outside aft end of the wheelhouse, or at least only
run sheets inside.
Oh yeah, she's to have twin fixed rudders, between which the
launching ramp can lower, with a skeg on center to guard the prop
when the outdrive is lowered. The rudders and skeg are meant to
carry some of the lateral load along with the centerboard. Outside
steering is via twin wheels stationed on either side of the aft
wheelhouse bulkhead. I wanted a single big tiller, but the launching
ramp solution is so attractive, I'm prepared to accept the additional
complexity and much higher cost of the wheel steering gear.
I expect her to sail well and surely be faster than Fiji. The
original proposal was for for a beam of only 9.9', and there was
mention of seatbelts in the first text we recieved. Later, Phil told
me the boat needed another foot or so of beam, and I'm hopeful that
this will eliminate the need for physical restraints. Hull draft is
about 25", by the way.
Heck, all this talk of Auriga sure makes me wish we'd get an update
on her.
Jon Kolb
Hi Doug,
Design #666 (Insolent 60, I believe) was reported to be 95% completed
at that time.
Design #667 (Shine, I believe) was reported to be 90% complete at that
time.
Design #668, our Auriga, was next, but no completion percentage was
given, and they promised to get back to me on various questions and
ideas I had expressed over the months (now years).
Jon Kolb
> I had a look in the back issues of MAIB and found the last new designsFrom PB&F's last communication to me one year ago today:
> presented were #662 Fiji in Oct/Nov. 2002, 663 Fast Brick in 9/1/2003,
> 664 Proa in 8/1/2003, and 665 Yonder in May and June 2003. Does
> anyone know of any designs completed since these?
Design #666 (Insolent 60, I believe) was reported to be 95% completed
at that time.
Design #667 (Shine, I believe) was reported to be 90% complete at that
time.
Design #668, our Auriga, was next, but no completion percentage was
given, and they promised to get back to me on various questions and
ideas I had expressed over the months (now years).
Jon Kolb
> We're at 4-1/2 years and counting on our liveaboard schooner, Auriga,Hi Jon --
> but we do have a couple of proposal drawings and some text from
> them.
Forgive my ignorance, but can you tell us anything more about Auriga?
Was it ever written up in 'Messing About in Boats' at the concept
stage? What are its dimensions, construction method, and basic design
brief?
Thanks for any info.
All best,
Garth
(recently launched my 31' Michalak Cormorant and of course the words
"liveaboard schooner" just make me forget all the exhaustion and start
dreaming of the next . . .)
There comes a time in all of our lives when our mind and body still want to
do this work, but it just doesn't happen. I watched my Father at age 90
still trying to cope with commissions, but simply unable to complete
them---not because of disabilities, but simply because he was worn out.
Never having met Phil, talked to him, or even corresponded with him, I
wonder if that may be the problem. I know for myself, at 70, my mind and
body are are still willing, but for some reason I just can't get it done.
Burn-out, maybe??
Comboat
do this work, but it just doesn't happen. I watched my Father at age 90
still trying to cope with commissions, but simply unable to complete
them---not because of disabilities, but simply because he was worn out.
Never having met Phil, talked to him, or even corresponded with him, I
wonder if that may be the problem. I know for myself, at 70, my mind and
body are are still willing, but for some reason I just can't get it done.
Burn-out, maybe??
Comboat
----- Original Message -----
From: "oarmandt" <oarman89@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Lobster Boat Construction pictures/ LINK added to
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donschultz8275" <donschultz@i...> wrote:
> > > PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans may
> > never be completed???
> >
> > I believe the "swamped with work" story is just that, a story concoted
> > to cover greatly diminished capacity to do the work.
> >
> > With Bolger 80 something, and as eccentric as he apparently is, I find
> > it safest to assume he will not complete anything more in his life.
> > Sorry to be so negative. I just don't have great expectations for a
> > flurry of good work to suddenly come from a man of his years.
> >
> > As to the suggestion to "throw money" at the problem; If I'm right, it
> > won't help. Certainly if Bolger were in it for the money, he would be
> > much better organized to market his designs than he is today.
> >
> > All this is conjecture on my part though based on the observable
> > facts, and worth exactly what you paid for it.
> >
> > Don
>
> I had a look in the back issues of MAIB and found the last new designs
> presented were #662 Fiji in Oct/Nov. 2002, 663 Fast Brick in 9/1/2003,
> 664 Proa in 8/1/2003, and 665 Yonder in May and June 2003. Does
> anyone know of any designs completed since these?
>
> I have been waiting a while for word on my commission, Wandervogel
> (23' water ballast, chinese gaffer). Last fall I decided that I had
> to have something to meet the mission, if not an ideal fit, so I am
> building a Birdwatcher. I would still like to have the Wandervogel
> though, but do not see much encouragement here.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donschultz8275" <donschultz@i...> wrote:
presented were #662 Fiji in Oct/Nov. 2002, 663 Fast Brick in 9/1/2003,
664 Proa in 8/1/2003, and 665 Yonder in May and June 2003. Does
anyone know of any designs completed since these?
I have been waiting a while for word on my commission, Wandervogel
(23' water ballast, chinese gaffer). Last fall I decided that I had
to have something to meet the mission, if not an ideal fit, so I am
building a Birdwatcher. I would still like to have the Wandervogel
though, but do not see much encouragement here.
Doug
> > PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans mayI had a look in the back issues of MAIB and found the last new designs
> never be completed???
>
> I believe the "swamped with work" story is just that, a story concoted
> to cover greatly diminished capacity to do the work.
>
> With Bolger 80 something, and as eccentric as he apparently is, I find
> it safest to assume he will not complete anything more in his life.
> Sorry to be so negative. I just don't have great expectations for a
> flurry of good work to suddenly come from a man of his years.
>
> As to the suggestion to "throw money" at the problem; If I'm right, it
> won't help. Certainly if Bolger were in it for the money, he would be
> much better organized to market his designs than he is today.
>
> All this is conjecture on my part though based on the observable
> facts, and worth exactly what you paid for it.
>
> Don
presented were #662 Fiji in Oct/Nov. 2002, 663 Fast Brick in 9/1/2003,
664 Proa in 8/1/2003, and 665 Yonder in May and June 2003. Does
anyone know of any designs completed since these?
I have been waiting a while for word on my commission, Wandervogel
(23' water ballast, chinese gaffer). Last fall I decided that I had
to have something to meet the mission, if not an ideal fit, so I am
building a Birdwatcher. I would still like to have the Wandervogel
though, but do not see much encouragement here.
Doug
Hello Howard,
ago tomorrow. In that, they said "...a set of trial lines to the final
general scale...and with which we've done some definitive
calculations..." Whether that means hydrostatics or hydrodynamics is
probably open to interpretation. I was simply trying to convey the
last status I received from them. I do know that they use a computer
for some calculations, so it's not all done by hand, although I'm
pretty sure the actual plan sheets are still drawn by hand. I'm sorry
that my inexact language surprised you.
Jon Kolb
> This a surprise, when you consider that PCB is still hand-drawing hisThe last communication from PCB&F regarding our design #668 was a year
> designs. Hard to imagine he gets beyond hydrostatics.
ago tomorrow. In that, they said "...a set of trial lines to the final
general scale...and with which we've done some definitive
calculations..." Whether that means hydrostatics or hydrodynamics is
probably open to interpretation. I was simply trying to convey the
last status I received from them. I do know that they use a computer
for some calculations, so it's not all done by hand, although I'm
pretty sure the actual plan sheets are still drawn by hand. I'm sorry
that my inexact language surprised you.
Jon Kolb
This a surprise, when you consider that PCB is still hand-drawing his
designs. Hard to imagine he gets beyond hydrostatics.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
designs. Hard to imagine he gets beyond hydrostatics.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
>and they had completed the hydrodynamic computations,
Hello Hugo,
We're at 4-1/2 years and counting on our liveaboard schooner, Auriga,
but we do have a couple of proposal drawings and some text from
them. Last we heard, there were two boats to finish before they got
to ours again, and they had completed the hydrodynamic computations,
but that was months ago. Many questions, suggested changes, and
other requests have gone unanswered, but they have promised to get to
all of this at some point.
While waiting, PCB sent me plans for the Light Schooner with a cat-
schooner rig that I completed in 2003, and I'm nearing completion on
the FastBrick that will be her tender. Big Tortoise and two Michalak
Totos have been built during this time as well (the 2nd Toto is still
a couple weekends away from completion). PCB has also sent me plans
for Long Dory, which is about 60% complete as of this past weekend
and coming along very fast (wow - rowboats sure are simpler than
sailboats!). Bulkheads and hull panels for Diablo are cut out and
waiting for space to build in my shop. Scraps of the right size keep
winding up as bits and pieces of Gypsy, which will probably happen
this winter. The Clam Skiff is tempting for a second winter
project. I'm getting good at fiberglassing plywood, and now can get
a very smooth finish, even on nearly vertical side panels.
If nothing else, I'm getting some free plans (well, not really free
considering the investment already made) and a lot of boatbuilding
practice. I should have a whole fleet of small boats by the time
Auriga is ready to build. Still, I can't help but wonder how far
along I'd be on our cruiser if the plans had been done in the
originally agreed-to 10-15 months.
Jon Kolb
Common Sense Skiff
Light Schooner
FastBrick
Big Tortoise
Long Dory
> PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans mayyet > have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
> never be completed???
> Its getting close to 3 years since I comissioned him to do a
> runabout design for me based on "Snow Leopard" from BWAOM and as
We're at 4-1/2 years and counting on our liveaboard schooner, Auriga,
but we do have a couple of proposal drawings and some text from
them. Last we heard, there were two boats to finish before they got
to ours again, and they had completed the hydrodynamic computations,
but that was months ago. Many questions, suggested changes, and
other requests have gone unanswered, but they have promised to get to
all of this at some point.
While waiting, PCB sent me plans for the Light Schooner with a cat-
schooner rig that I completed in 2003, and I'm nearing completion on
the FastBrick that will be her tender. Big Tortoise and two Michalak
Totos have been built during this time as well (the 2nd Toto is still
a couple weekends away from completion). PCB has also sent me plans
for Long Dory, which is about 60% complete as of this past weekend
and coming along very fast (wow - rowboats sure are simpler than
sailboats!). Bulkheads and hull panels for Diablo are cut out and
waiting for space to build in my shop. Scraps of the right size keep
winding up as bits and pieces of Gypsy, which will probably happen
this winter. The Clam Skiff is tempting for a second winter
project. I'm getting good at fiberglassing plywood, and now can get
a very smooth finish, even on nearly vertical side panels.
If nothing else, I'm getting some free plans (well, not really free
considering the investment already made) and a lot of boatbuilding
practice. I should have a whole fleet of small boats by the time
Auriga is ready to build. Still, I can't help but wonder how far
along I'd be on our cruiser if the plans had been done in the
originally agreed-to 10-15 months.
Jon Kolb
Common Sense Skiff
Light Schooner
FastBrick
Big Tortoise
Long Dory
Yes,
I've thought about that. I've already got Harold Payson's Book "Boat Modelling The Easy Way- A scratch Builder's guide". This has the complete plans for the "Bunny-R"(Laura B) Lobsterboat that we're building at the moment. All we had to do was take the book to a professional drafting/copying business and have them enlarge the drawings in the book by 323% to get workable plans at 3/4" : 1' scale.
As the "Snow Leopard" model plans are in the same book and are the same scale it would be pretty easy to have them enlarged by 323% to get 3/4" : 1'
Yes, there would be quite alot of extra work , but it may be worth it.
We will have to wait and see! Bolger still has about a year or so to come up with the goods while we build the Lobsterboat!
In the last corresspondance I had with the Bolgers, Phil mentioned that all the frame work and backbone (permanent) would be plywood and she'd be fibreglassed inside and out over strip planking and there would be positive foam buoyancy throughout the hull to provide reinforcement to the structure and flotation in the case of a serious mishap!!.
Working out the size of the timbers required wouldn't be too difficult. The best way to go about that would probably be to buy the Plans for the " Bermuda 28 " Mahogany runabout (Nelson Zimmer design) from the Wooden Boat shop as this craft's dimensions are approximately the same as "Snow Leopard" at 28' x 7'
Hugo Tyson.
Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:
You've probably come up with the following option already, Hugo, but
here goes, just in case you haven't.
SL appears in BWAOM, not as a complete design. Its shape is shown
there and in Harold Payson's boat modelling book as a series of
vertical "lifts". (Not sure if they're still lifts when they're
vertical, but that's what Bolger calls them).
If PB and F would let you have a copy of the original drawings, it
should be possible to loft them full size for building (cold-moulded?)
over conventional moulds, or possibly with longitudinal moulds that
follow the shapes of the lifts.
There'd still be a lot of design work on construction details,
machinery etc. and probably a certain amount of modification after
construction and testing. For example it seem to me a spray rail might
be required in the forward part of the hull. If your father doesn't
feel up to the design work, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone
with the necessary experience to do it.
Just an idea...
I've thought about that. I've already got Harold Payson's Book "Boat Modelling The Easy Way- A scratch Builder's guide". This has the complete plans for the "Bunny-R"(Laura B) Lobsterboat that we're building at the moment. All we had to do was take the book to a professional drafting/copying business and have them enlarge the drawings in the book by 323% to get workable plans at 3/4" : 1' scale.
As the "Snow Leopard" model plans are in the same book and are the same scale it would be pretty easy to have them enlarged by 323% to get 3/4" : 1'
Yes, there would be quite alot of extra work , but it may be worth it.
We will have to wait and see! Bolger still has about a year or so to come up with the goods while we build the Lobsterboat!
In the last corresspondance I had with the Bolgers, Phil mentioned that all the frame work and backbone (permanent) would be plywood and she'd be fibreglassed inside and out over strip planking and there would be positive foam buoyancy throughout the hull to provide reinforcement to the structure and flotation in the case of a serious mishap!!.
Working out the size of the timbers required wouldn't be too difficult. The best way to go about that would probably be to buy the Plans for the " Bermuda 28 " Mahogany runabout (Nelson Zimmer design) from the Wooden Boat shop as this craft's dimensions are approximately the same as "Snow Leopard" at 28' x 7'
Hugo Tyson.
Howard Stephenson <stephensonhw@...> wrote:
You've probably come up with the following option already, Hugo, but
here goes, just in case you haven't.
SL appears in BWAOM, not as a complete design. Its shape is shown
there and in Harold Payson's boat modelling book as a series of
vertical "lifts". (Not sure if they're still lifts when they're
vertical, but that's what Bolger calls them).
If PB and F would let you have a copy of the original drawings, it
should be possible to loft them full size for building (cold-moulded?)
over conventional moulds, or possibly with longitudinal moulds that
follow the shapes of the lifts.
There'd still be a lot of design work on construction details,
machinery etc. and probably a certain amount of modification after
construction and testing. For example it seem to me a spray rail might
be required in the forward part of the hull. If your father doesn't
feel up to the design work, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone
with the necessary experience to do it.
Just an idea...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans may
never be completed???
> Its getting close to 3 years since I comissioned him to do a
runabout design for me based on "Snow Leopard" from BWAOM and as yet
have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
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You've probably come up with the following option already, Hugo, but
here goes, just in case you haven't.
SL appears in BWAOM, not as a complete design. Its shape is shown
there and in Harold Payson's boat modelling book as a series of
vertical "lifts". (Not sure if they're still lifts when they're
vertical, but that's what Bolger calls them).
If PB and F would let you have a copy of the original drawings, it
should be possible to loft them full size for building (cold-moulded?)
over conventional moulds, or possibly with longitudinal moulds that
follow the shapes of the lifts.
There'd still be a lot of design work on construction details,
machinery etc. and probably a certain amount of modification after
construction and testing. For example it seem to me a spray rail might
be required in the forward part of the hull. If your father doesn't
feel up to the design work, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone
with the necessary experience to do it.
Just an idea...
here goes, just in case you haven't.
SL appears in BWAOM, not as a complete design. Its shape is shown
there and in Harold Payson's boat modelling book as a series of
vertical "lifts". (Not sure if they're still lifts when they're
vertical, but that's what Bolger calls them).
If PB and F would let you have a copy of the original drawings, it
should be possible to loft them full size for building (cold-moulded?)
over conventional moulds, or possibly with longitudinal moulds that
follow the shapes of the lifts.
There'd still be a lot of design work on construction details,
machinery etc. and probably a certain amount of modification after
construction and testing. For example it seem to me a spray rail might
be required in the forward part of the hull. If your father doesn't
feel up to the design work, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone
with the necessary experience to do it.
Just an idea...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans may
never be completed???
> Its getting close to 3 years since I comissioned him to do a
runabout design for me based on "Snow Leopard" from BWAOM and as yet
have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
> PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans maynever be completed???
I believe the "swamped with work" story is just that, a story concoted
to cover greatly diminished capacity to do the work.
With Bolger 80 something, and as eccentric as he apparently is, I find
it safest to assume he will not complete anything more in his life.
Sorry to be so negative. I just don't have great expectations for a
flurry of good work to suddenly come from a man of his years.
As to the suggestion to "throw money" at the problem; If I'm right, it
won't help. Certainly if Bolger were in it for the money, he would be
much better organized to market his designs than he is today.
All this is conjecture on my part though based on the observable
facts, and worth exactly what you paid for it.
Don
Ok,
Close ups will have to wait until next weekend, when I get back down to Port Sorell. Hopefully more progress will have been made by then, like the rabbet for the planking along the keel. Possibly the stainless steel keelband sheathing may also be fitted by then also.
Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
Close ups will have to wait until next weekend, when I get back down to Port Sorell. Hopefully more progress will have been made by then, like the rabbet for the planking along the keel. Possibly the stainless steel keelband sheathing may also be fitted by then also.
Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> We can't roll up the shade cloth that easily as its all screwed
down!
Perhaps a nice length of 2x3 tacked along the bottom edge so that
the whole affair could be rolled up,bamboo curtain style, for non-
rainy days and better pictures and held securely closed with a
couple of lines :-) 12-18 months is going to a long go of imagining
through the green screen...........
>
> It would be nice though to see some progress after 3 years and
quite a tidy sum of money spent already on the "Silver Blaze"
runabout design!
Fair enough Hugo....only you know what has changed hands between
yourself and HIM,money wise,and I agree whole heartedly with"it
would be nice to see some progress adfter 3 years......"!
Here's to getting the plans the day after the lobster boat is
launched!
You still have time to repent Hugo.....close up shots from inside
the shelter,hint,hint,nudge,nudge,wink,wink.....:-D
All the best to you and your dad and continued success on the as
yet "un-seen 'cept through the green screen" lobster boat build!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,almost time to begin feeling a mighty fierce thirst
coming on....heeehaaaa!
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
Perhaps a nice length of 2x3 tacked along the bottom edge so that
the whole affair could be rolled up,bamboo curtain style, for non-
rainy days and better pictures and held securely closed with a
couple of lines :-) 12-18 months is going to a long go of imagining
through the green screen...........
runabout design!
Fair enough Hugo....only you know what has changed hands between
yourself and HIM,money wise,and I agree whole heartedly with"it
would be nice to see some progress adfter 3 years......"!
Here's to getting the plans the day after the lobster boat is
launched!
You still have time to repent Hugo.....close up shots from inside
the shelter,hint,hint,nudge,nudge,wink,wink.....:-D
All the best to you and your dad and continued success on the as
yet "un-seen 'cept through the green screen" lobster boat build!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,almost time to begin feeling a mighty fierce thirst
coming on....heeehaaaa!
> We can't roll up the shade cloth that easily as its all screweddown!
Perhaps a nice length of 2x3 tacked along the bottom edge so that
the whole affair could be rolled up,bamboo curtain style, for non-
rainy days and better pictures and held securely closed with a
couple of lines :-) 12-18 months is going to a long go of imagining
through the green screen...........
>quite a tidy sum of money spent already on the "Silver Blaze"
> It would be nice though to see some progress after 3 years and
runabout design!
Fair enough Hugo....only you know what has changed hands between
yourself and HIM,money wise,and I agree whole heartedly with"it
would be nice to see some progress adfter 3 years......"!
Here's to getting the plans the day after the lobster boat is
launched!
You still have time to repent Hugo.....close up shots from inside
the shelter,hint,hint,nudge,nudge,wink,wink.....:-D
All the best to you and your dad and continued success on the as
yet "un-seen 'cept through the green screen" lobster boat build!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,almost time to begin feeling a mighty fierce thirst
coming on....heeehaaaa!
Peter,
We can't roll up the shade cloth that easily as its all screwed down! Maybe in Summertime when we don't get a lot of rain, like we've had recently.
As to giving Bolger more money in hope of seeing some progress on the runabout design, I don't think so, not yet anyway until I see some progress, even if its only a cartoon drawing. Anyway I'm in no real hurry yet, as the Lobsterboat will take up the next 12 - 18 months time and money!!!
It would be nice though to see some progress after 3 years and quite a tidy sum of money spent already on the "Silver Blaze" runabout design!
Hugo Tyson.
Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
We can't roll up the shade cloth that easily as its all screwed down! Maybe in Summertime when we don't get a lot of rain, like we've had recently.
As to giving Bolger more money in hope of seeing some progress on the runabout design, I don't think so, not yet anyway until I see some progress, even if its only a cartoon drawing. Anyway I'm in no real hurry yet, as the Lobsterboat will take up the next 12 - 18 months time and money!!!
It would be nice though to see some progress after 3 years and quite a tidy sum of money spent already on the "Silver Blaze" runabout design!
Hugo Tyson.
Peter Lenihan <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
> All the keel, deadwood, stem, cheekpieces and horn timber are now
all
> glued and bolted together.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/
>
> Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
>
> PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans may
never be completed???
> Its getting close to 3 years since I comissioned him to do a
runabout design for me based on "Snow Leopard" from BWAOM and as yet
have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
Hi Hugo,
That's a terrible thing to do! How dare you! There should be
some sort of penalty for teasing in such a cruel fashion!For a swift
pardon,I suggest you hurry on back out to the yard,ROLL UP THE CLOTH
SIDES and take the good pictures you promised :-) For a slightly
less quick pardon, several close up shots may just suffice,but we'll
have to wait-n-see how good those close ups are ;-)
As to your P.S.,it is anyones' guess why you have "seen
absolutley nothing" and I hesitate to even pretend to know a
solution and wish not to tread where I have no business BUT have you
tried throwing some(more) money at PCB&F's ? This ruse would get me
arse in gear real quick like :-D
Awaiting on your pennance,
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,watching another day awaken to a chorus of hungry
horny crows,chattey starlings and little thieving sparrows from
along the shores of the St.Lawrence...........
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@y...> wrote:
have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
Hi Hugo,
That's a terrible thing to do! How dare you! There should be
some sort of penalty for teasing in such a cruel fashion!For a swift
pardon,I suggest you hurry on back out to the yard,ROLL UP THE CLOTH
SIDES and take the good pictures you promised :-) For a slightly
less quick pardon, several close up shots may just suffice,but we'll
have to wait-n-see how good those close ups are ;-)
As to your P.S.,it is anyones' guess why you have "seen
absolutley nothing" and I hesitate to even pretend to know a
solution and wish not to tread where I have no business BUT have you
tried throwing some(more) money at PCB&F's ? This ruse would get me
arse in gear real quick like :-D
Awaiting on your pennance,
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,watching another day awaken to a chorus of hungry
horny crows,chattey starlings and little thieving sparrows from
along the shores of the St.Lawrence...........
> All the keel, deadwood, stem, cheekpieces and horn timber are nowall
> glued and bolted together.never be completed???
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/
>
> Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
>
> PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans may
> Its getting close to 3 years since I comissioned him to do arunabout design for me based on "Snow Leopard" from BWAOM and as yet
have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
Hi Hugo,
That's a terrible thing to do! How dare you! There should be
some sort of penalty for teasing in such a cruel fashion!For a swift
pardon,I suggest you hurry on back out to the yard,ROLL UP THE CLOTH
SIDES and take the good pictures you promised :-) For a slightly
less quick pardon, several close up shots may just suffice,but we'll
have to wait-n-see how good those close ups are ;-)
As to your P.S.,it is anyones' guess why you have "seen
absolutley nothing" and I hesitate to even pretend to know a
solution and wish not to tread where I have no business BUT have you
tried throwing some(more) money at PCB&F's ? This ruse would get me
arse in gear real quick like :-D
Awaiting on your pennance,
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,watching another day awaken to a chorus of hungry
horny crows,chattey starlings and little thieving sparrows from
along the shores of the St.Lawrence...........
Hi,
I've just posted pictures in Bolger5 files section in the Folder
Tyson's Lobsterboat folder of the latest progress of our 28' Bolger
designed Gloucester Lobsterboat. The latest pictures are all dated 31
July 2005.
All the keel, deadwood, stem, cheekpieces and horn timber are now all
glued and bolted together.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans may never be completed???
Its getting close to 3 years since I comissioned him to do a runabout design for me based on "Snow Leopard" from BWAOM and as yet have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
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I've just posted pictures in Bolger5 files section in the Folder
Tyson's Lobsterboat folder of the latest progress of our 28' Bolger
designed Gloucester Lobsterboat. The latest pictures are all dated 31
July 2005.
All the keel, deadwood, stem, cheekpieces and horn timber are now all
glued and bolted together.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/
Hugo Tyson, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia.
PS. Is Bolger so far behind in his design work that many plans may never be completed???
Its getting close to 3 years since I comissioned him to do a runabout design for me based on "Snow Leopard" from BWAOM and as yet have seen absolutely nothing, not even a rough sketch!!!!
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