Re: Chebacco 25 [1 Attachment]
The spars didn't seem to have the elegance of the lining of the strakes. Maybe it was the foreshortening in the photos. I'll have to check out
Oughtred' s clinker boatbuilding book. I've immersed myself into John Gardner's books lately. Good job. Good luck on the centerboard.
Oughtred' s clinker boatbuilding book. I've immersed myself into John Gardner's books lately. Good job. Good luck on the centerboard.
ha! the flooding keel! had forgotten about that. I expected the boat to be initially stiff with the flat bottom, and I remember that Phil stressed something about sealing the hatches in the cockpit - so I knew he had thought about ultimate stability.
I see the original Chebacco as analogous to the TS 16 so would like to find a righting scheme that doesn't compromise draft. sharpies manage by being narrow and high with lots of rocker. the TS seems to be wide and low with little rocker .....
I too plan to do some pull-down tests (would love to be part of yours!) - however I suspect that real world scenarios require righting moments from 100 / 110 deg to allow for waves etc - and that with reefed or furled sails
I think my ultimate concern is with wave action - even in the bays. I have heard of at least one 'freak wave' set that nearly upset a ballasted trailersailor . with all the ships plowing around, my worst scenario involves being caught by the wake's pileup on the inside of the turn. don't think I would park for a spot of fishing by the sandbank inside the Hovell pile beacon - nor Point Nepean? nor
have you ever come across any discussion of this? I haven't
as an antidote to the "glumms" I had another sortie into westernport as a putt putt for the supermoon. definitely the right stuff!
cheers for now - and wishing you some good sails with your new world!
frank
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:13:10 -0700
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco 25 [2 Attachments]
Frank,
I see the original Chebacco as analogous to the TS 16 so would like to find a righting scheme that doesn't compromise draft. sharpies manage by being narrow and high with lots of rocker. the TS seems to be wide and low with little rocker .....
I too plan to do some pull-down tests (would love to be part of yours!) - however I suspect that real world scenarios require righting moments from 100 / 110 deg to allow for waves etc - and that with reefed or furled sails
I think my ultimate concern is with wave action - even in the bays. I have heard of at least one 'freak wave' set that nearly upset a ballasted trailersailor . with all the ships plowing around, my worst scenario involves being caught by the wake's pileup on the inside of the turn. don't think I would park for a spot of fishing by the sandbank inside the Hovell pile beacon - nor Point Nepean? nor
have you ever come across any discussion of this? I haven't
as an antidote to the "glumms" I had another sortie into westernport as a putt putt for the supermoon. definitely the right stuff!
cheers for now - and wishing you some good sails with your new world!
frank
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:13:10 -0700
Subject: [bolger] Re: Chebacco 25 [2 Attachments]
Frank,
There is no shame in paranoia - none of us knew how she would float, sail or how stiff she would be. After all - there is no other recorded experience of Chebacco 25's in the world. I would call it prudence.
As it turned out she is very stiff and the wind dropped off to about 5kn anyway. We let out the reef and found that we could do that in about 1 minute - which impressed the racing sailor crew I had on board.
I had previously done some theoretical computer modelling of the hull that suggests she will right herself from 90 degrees with no ballast except the flooding keel. I now have a feeling that calculation could be about right. We will do some proper measurements next time we are in some flat water.
One revelation was the ease with which we could steer with the mizzen sheets. We could never get stuck in irons, just back the mizzen and she came around easily. We have lots more to learn about sailing her - that will make for a fun summer.
Thanks for the appreciative comments Michael.
Bolger provided the plank lines but I could not get them to look right on my moulds - I tried and tried with battens and marks at each station. By the second week of walking back and forward measuring and adjusting battens I knew it was a pretty big clinker/lapstrake boat I was building!
In the end I used the method in Iain Oughtred's clinker boatbuilding book to lay them out again from scratch. This worked up until the sheer. Bolger had the cabin top coming out to the sheer (a raised deck) but this didn't end up looking right from some angles so I opted for a conventional cabin top with a narrow side deck.
The yard and boom are hollow spars that I have tapered at their aft ends but tapered somewhat less at their for'd ends. My theory being that the extra weight and stiffness at the luff ends will help balance and control the balanced lug sail. In particular the boom is only about 10% tapered at the tack but 50% at the clew. Does my theory work? I don't know if you would notice a difference. The boom at 3" diameter birdsmouth douglas fir is certainly stiff. The rig is basically a Martha Jane adaptation with a counterweighted tabernacle mast.
On day 1 the centreboard didn't want to go down (I suspect woodshavings and sawdust have fallen into the case during construction and have swollen and jammed the board, I am still trying to free it up) so I can't tell you how it sails up wind. But she seemed to run and reach through the water very well in the 5kn we had. She was very stiff too. We had kids and lubbers climbing all over her decks all day and it didn't upset anything.
In BWAOM Bolger claimed she would plane with 15hp. I had a 15hp Johnson on the back and got her up to 6.5kn with somewhat less than full throttle and about 5 adults on board. That seems to be quite a turn of speed but isn't planing, but the guys from Mythbusters wouldn't say it is busted yet ...
Lots more to learn about her. That will be fun.
Andrew
The hull looks very nice. The planks are nicely lined off. Was there a reason why the spars have no taper? How does she sail?
Frank,
There is no shame in paranoia - none of us knew how she would float, sail or how stiff she would be. After all - there is no other recorded experience of Chebacco 25's in the world. I would call it prudence.
As it turned out she is very stiff and the wind dropped off to about 5kn anyway. We let out the reef and found that we could do that in about 1 minute - which impressed the racing sailor crew I had on board.
I had previously done some theoretical computer modelling of the hull that suggests she will right herself from 90 degrees with no ballast except the flooding keel. I now have a feeling that calculation could be about right. We will do some proper measurements next time we are in some flat water.
One revelation was the ease with which we could steer with the mizzen sheets. We could never get stuck in irons, just back the mizzen and she came around easily. We have lots more to learn about sailing her - that will make for a fun summer.
hi Andrew,
Congratulations on a successful launch!
I have been meaning to email you. because I have felt a little ashamed of my paranoia of capsize that led me to urge you to reef ...
watching you in the distance subsequently I saw little evidence of drama and I trust everyone feels as happy as you.
just to explain abt capsize - most of my sailing has been done in small boats that can capsize - and have! - in all sorts of conditions ... but were relatively easy to right
I have recently graduated (?) to a TS 16 which is not
I have known a couple of trailer sailors which have fallen over . the unpredictability, suddenness , and avoidability (but too late, of course) has me in my old age, very sensitised.
correctly arranged buoyancy (less, I suspect, is better than more! ) and ballast - maybe surprisingly little?? - plus never cleating the mainsheet unless beating
but I don,t want to rabbit on
may you and family, and friends have many happy and character-building adventures as a reward for your 4 1/2 years work and their sacrifices!
cheers,
frank
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:27:29 -0700
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco 25 [1 Attachment]
Bolgerites,
If you have been following the bolger group for a few years, you may know that I have been building what is probably the first Chebacco 25 made since Phil developed the design for Story Boatbuilding in 1992. Brad Story decided not to produce the model and the plans have been in the PB&F archives since. Phil discusses the design in BWAOM. (Another boat, Mudlark, built some years ago in South Australia, was based on the Chebacco 25 but it has significant differences).
I know that a few have been following my build with interest so here is an update.
It has been 4 1/2 years of evenings spent in my shed instead of in front of the TV. But in the next couple of weeks I hope to proudly launch "KHAOS theory".
I'll get some photos and work out how to post them. In the mean time here is a photo of her sitting in my driveway in Victoria, Australia waiting for the last touches of paint, brakes on the trailer and some friends to help me celebrate her launch.
Andrew
Congratulations on a successful launch!
I have been meaning to email you. because I have felt a little ashamed of my paranoia of capsize that led me to urge you to reef ...
watching you in the distance subsequently I saw little evidence of drama and I trust everyone feels as happy as you.
just to explain abt capsize - most of my sailing has been done in small boats that can capsize - and have! - in all sorts of conditions ... but were relatively easy to right
I have recently graduated (?) to a TS 16 which is not
I have known a couple of trailer sailors which have fallen over . the unpredictability, suddenness , and avoidability (but too late, of course) has me in my old age, very sensitised.
correctly arranged buoyancy (less, I suspect, is better than more! ) and ballast - maybe surprisingly little?? - plus never cleating the mainsheet unless beating
but I don,t want to rabbit on
may you and family, and friends have many happy and character-building adventures as a reward for your 4 1/2 years work and their sacrifices!
cheers,
frank
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:27:29 -0700
Subject: [bolger] Chebacco 25 [1 Attachment]
Bolgerites,
If you have been following the bolger group for a few years, you may know that I have been building what is probably the first Chebacco 25 made since Phil developed the design for Story Boatbuilding in 1992. Brad Story decided not to produce the model and the plans have been in the PB&F archives since. Phil discusses the design in BWAOM. (Another boat, Mudlark, built some years ago in South Australia, was based on the Chebacco 25 but it has significant differences).
I know that a few have been following my build with interest so here is an update.
It has been 4 1/2 years of evenings spent in my shed instead of in front of the TV. But in the next couple of weeks I hope to proudly launch "KHAOS theory".
I'll get some photos and work out how to post them. In the mean time here is a photo of her sitting in my driveway in Victoria, Australia waiting for the last touches of paint, brakes on the trailer and some friends to help me celebrate her launch.
Andrew
Thanks for the picture. That's the first good picture of Chebacco 26 I've ever seen. She looks beautiful.
Very nice
We launched my Chebacco 25 yesterday.
A beautiful winter day, and she met all of my expectations.
Here are some photos. When I get some time I'll put up some more.
Andrew
Very good tips on clinker construction. Nice work.
Wow! She's a beauty, Andrew. :o)
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/attachments/655333237
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/attachments/655333237
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:27:29 -0700, Andrew in Oz wrote:
> If you have been following the bolger group for a few years, you may
> know that I have been building what is probably the first Chebacco 25
> made since Phil developed the design for Story Boatbuilding in 1992.
> ...
> It has been 4 1/2 years of evenings spent in my shed instead of in
> front of the TV. But in the next couple of weeks I hope to proudly
> launch "KHAOS theory".
>
> I'll get some photos and work out how to post them. In the mean time
> here is a photo of her sitting in my driveway in Victoria, Australia
> waiting for the last touches of paint, brakes on the trailer and some
> friends to help me celebrate her launch.
--
John (jkohnen@...)
History repeats itself, and that's one of the things that's wrong with
history. (Clarence Darrow)
As far as i know there are only two boats built on the Chebacco 25 plans. Simon Jones of South Australia completed Mudlark some years ago with bilge boards and various other modifications. Although based on the Chebacco 25 I consider it to be a different design. The other one is mine (also co-incidentally built in Australia) which is mostly to the plans, with the exception of the cabin which I have made with side decks and 1" taller. I have also opted for a Martha Jane balanced lug rig.
There is no information on the web about Chebacco 25's except the website that a mate of mine put up about his and my boats Warrandyte Wooden Boats It isn't up to date.
I'll post some interior photos in the next week for those that are interested. The cabin is about chin height when I stand in the companionway (I'm 5'10") and I have two large berths under the cockpit seats. The big plus is the cockpit. 12'6" long.
The "bulbs" on the keel are wood reinforcing strips. The keel contains the centre board slot at this point and so is only two unsupported sheets of 1/2" ply, one on either side of the slot. The slot is 6' long. PCB designed long strips of wood to reinforce the edges of the ply.
There is no ballast at all. I have done some calculations with HullformCAD and have confirmed that PCB was right (at least theoretically, as I haven't tried on mine yet) that no ballast was necessary and that the wide form would be sufficient stability. By my calculations she should self right from a 90 degree knock down just because of the shape PCB designed.
I have a 15hp Johnson on the transom (in the transom, as the design has the motor in a virtual motor well) and I will see if it does indeed plane with this engine.
Bolgerites,
If you have been following the bolger group for a few years, you may know that I have been building what is probably the first Chebacco 25 made since Phil developed the design for Story Boatbuilding in 1992. Brad Story decided not to produce the model and the plans have been in the PB&F archives since. Phil discusses the design in BWAOM. (Another boat, Mudlark, built some years ago in South Australia, was based on the Chebacco 25 but it has significant differences).
I know that a few have been following my build with interest so here is an update.
It has been 4 1/2 years of evenings spent in my shed instead of in front of the TV. But in the next couple of weeks I hope to proudly launch "KHAOS theory".
I'll get some photos and work out how to post them. In the mean time here is a photo of her sitting in my driveway in Victoria, Australia waiting for the last touches of paint, brakes on the trailer and some friends to help me celebrate her launch.
Andrew
He clarified that to me once, sent me pictures of a similar design
that planed with a 15hp.
I don't believe it.
I've had mine up to 9mph, running in a blow with the 6hp going full
blast.
Michael Johannessen has a 20hp on his Chebacco, and his max speed is
almost exactly what mine is.
that planed with a 15hp.
I don't believe it.
I've had mine up to 9mph, running in a blow with the 6hp going full
blast.
Michael Johannessen has a 20hp on his Chebacco, and his max speed is
almost exactly what mine is.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
> <stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
> >
> > According to an old nomograph I have, you could expect 9-1/2
knots
> > with 15 hp. assuming a 25' wl length and 1 long ton of
> displacement --
> > probably not quite planing speed.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> Here is the quote from BWAOM: Page 229
>
> "However the long length lets her go faster in a good breeze, or
> under power. She planes cleanly with a 15 h.p. motor at low
cruising
> rpm."
>
> I would expect PCB&F would be willing to clarify that if one
enquired
> about the plans. At any rate it would be a nice combination with
the
> motor hardly visible on the stern. She could probably cruise at 10
> knots.
>
> Cheers, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
am seriously considering building it. Weight is about 2,700#. The
princess 22 is a lot less tender than a lot of other simular boats
such as NIS's.
I too am intregued in the Red Zinger...looks like a nice boat. I
need to make a decision soon as I am just about done with my current
project (Core Sound 20). I just want to make sure I am making a good
decision prior to starting a project that will take 1,200 hours or so.
Joe
>Caprice
> Joe --
>
> If you're looking for a trailerable cruising sharpie or cat, also
> check out Reuel Parker's "The Sharpie Book" and Jim Michalak's
> and Cormorant. Not to mention Glen-L's Chessie Flyer. All roomy,I have plans for the Princess Sharpie 26 from B&B Yacht designs and
> trailerable, and very functional for shallow-draft cruising. None so
> pretty as a lapstrake Chebacco 25, though. . . .
>
> All best,
> Garth
>
am seriously considering building it. Weight is about 2,700#. The
princess 22 is a lot less tender than a lot of other simular boats
such as NIS's.
I too am intregued in the Red Zinger...looks like a nice boat. I
need to make a decision soon as I am just about done with my current
project (Core Sound 20). I just want to make sure I am making a good
decision prior to starting a project that will take 1,200 hours or so.
Joe
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
"However the long length lets her go faster in a good breeze, or
under power. She planes cleanly with a 15 h.p. motor at low cruising
rpm."
I would expect PCB&F would be willing to clarify that if one enquired
about the plans. At any rate it would be a nice combination with the
motor hardly visible on the stern. She could probably cruise at 10
knots.
Cheers, Nels
<stephensonhw@a...> wrote:
>displacement --
> According to an old nomograph I have, you could expect 9-1/2 knots
> with 15 hp. assuming a 25' wl length and 1 long ton of
> probably not quite planing speed.Here is the quote from BWAOM: Page 229
>
> Howard
>
"However the long length lets her go faster in a good breeze, or
under power. She planes cleanly with a 15 h.p. motor at low cruising
rpm."
I would expect PCB&F would be willing to clarify that if one enquired
about the plans. At any rate it would be a nice combination with the
motor hardly visible on the stern. She could probably cruise at 10
knots.
Cheers, Nels
According to an old nomograph I have, you could expect 9-1/2 knots
with 15 hp. assuming a 25' wl length and 1 long ton of displacement --
probably not quite planing speed.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
with 15 hp. assuming a 25' wl length and 1 long ton of displacement --
probably not quite planing speed.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
>past,
> > Also it will planes with a 15 hp
> > motor.
>
> I would not go farther than saying "Bolger expects it to plane with
> a 15hp motor." He has underestimated power requirements in the
> and it's a big boat for that power.
I think those funny-shaped things are lead ballast fitted to either
side of the of the centreboard case. There's no ballast shown
anywhere else, such as shown in the drawing of the ply C25 v2.
If you want to know how much interior space is provided by the cuddy,
it's a simple matter of taking measurements from the drawings in the
book and scaling them up. You just need a ruler and a calculator. You
know how long the boat is, so you can work out what the scale is from
that. It's just simple proportion, as learnt in primary school , or
maybe first grade in secondary school; it's a long time ago now.
Once you have a few key dimensions, you can mock up the interior with
scrap ply and sticks of wood or backs of couches and bedsheets or
whatever.
Howard
side of the of the centreboard case. There's no ballast shown
anywhere else, such as shown in the drawing of the ply C25 v2.
If you want to know how much interior space is provided by the cuddy,
it's a simple matter of taking measurements from the drawings in the
book and scaling them up. You just need a ruler and a calculator. You
know how long the boat is, so you can work out what the scale is from
that. It's just simple proportion, as learnt in primary school , or
maybe first grade in secondary school; it's a long time ago now.
Once you have a few key dimensions, you can mock up the interior with
scrap ply and sticks of wood or backs of couches and bedsheets or
whatever.
Howard
Joe --
If you're looking for a trailerable cruising sharpie or cat, also
check out Reuel Parker's "The Sharpie Book" and Jim Michalak's Caprice
and Cormorant. Not to mention Glen-L's Chessie Flyer. All roomy,
trailerable, and very functional for shallow-draft cruising. None so
pretty as a lapstrake Chebacco 25, though. . . .
All best,
Garth
If you're looking for a trailerable cruising sharpie or cat, also
check out Reuel Parker's "The Sharpie Book" and Jim Michalak's Caprice
and Cormorant. Not to mention Glen-L's Chessie Flyer. All roomy,
trailerable, and very functional for shallow-draft cruising. None so
pretty as a lapstrake Chebacco 25, though. . . .
All best,
Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Nelson" <joe_nelson22@h...> wrote:
>
> Seems like all the Bolger boats I like have scant information
> available.
>
> The Chebacco 25 seems like it would be a really nice boat. I cannot
> from any of the print or web information get a feel for the cabin
> volume and height. Anyone know of one that has been built or have
> any further information on it? I have Bolgers book, "Boats with an
> open mind". Beyond that I cannot find much info.
> Also it will planes with a 15 hpI would not go farther than saying "Bolger expects it to plane with
> motor.
a 15hp motor." He has underestimated power requirements in the past,
and it's a big boat for that power.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Nelson" <joe_nelson22@h...> wrote:
I have always loved this design. It would be possible to strip build
it as well, although the lapstrake would look beautiful and as
designed it would be quite fast. Also it will planes with a 15 hp
motor. Did you know that the Chebaccos are also available in an
offshore capable version with a pilothouse?
Another nice boat is the Seabird and it too is available with a
pilothouse almost the same as the Chebacco and a couple of different
rigs I believe.
I'm not convinced I want to spend that much time and effort on
building a boat that only has pipe berths. Therefore my final choice
was the Long Micro, as a part-time live aboard. It is shorter than
either, easier to build and trailer, and has a lot more interior room
than any other boat in that size range. Especially with the Navigator
mods. Also I can use the same motor and trailer I have now for my
Micro.
But I am not concerned about so called "aesthetics" and have no
qualms in firing up the engine if I want to get somewhere.
The Micro I have now, draws more positive comments than I had ever
expected. Mostly, small boat sailors are amazed at the space it has
inside.
Cheers, Nels
>Hi Joe,
> Seems like all the Bolger boats I like have scant information
> available.
>
> The Chebacco 25 seems like it would be a really nice boat.
I have always loved this design. It would be possible to strip build
it as well, although the lapstrake would look beautiful and as
designed it would be quite fast. Also it will planes with a 15 hp
motor. Did you know that the Chebaccos are also available in an
offshore capable version with a pilothouse?
Another nice boat is the Seabird and it too is available with a
pilothouse almost the same as the Chebacco and a couple of different
rigs I believe.
I'm not convinced I want to spend that much time and effort on
building a boat that only has pipe berths. Therefore my final choice
was the Long Micro, as a part-time live aboard. It is shorter than
either, easier to build and trailer, and has a lot more interior room
than any other boat in that size range. Especially with the Navigator
mods. Also I can use the same motor and trailer I have now for my
Micro.
But I am not concerned about so called "aesthetics" and have no
qualms in firing up the engine if I want to get somewhere.
The Micro I have now, draws more positive comments than I had ever
expected. Mostly, small boat sailors are amazed at the space it has
inside.
Cheers, Nels
> The Chebacco 25 seems like it would be a really nice boat.Indeed, so.
Aside from one builder (or perhaps two) in Austrailia, I'm not sure
anyone has started one. The builder I heard about was interested in
using leeboards, and making a bunch of other changes that PCB
thought undesireable. As for why it might be unpopular, it's way
over the 16' size limit that most amateurs are willing to attempt,
it would be very expensive for its capabilitites to have built by a
pro. I, for one, would be intimidated by trying to fit 25', narrow
ply strakes between widely spaced bulkheads (temp frames required?).
The is a lot of fussy detail which would take a long time, I think.
What are those funny shaped things on the outside of the box keel in
way of the centerboard? Are those wooden stringers, or lead ballast?
I've never been able to figure it out. Of course, I don't have the
plan key.
As for the interior, I have not tried to scale it, but I guess it's
pretty low.
Another factor is the number of easier-to-build alternates. Red
Zinger and Skillygallee would have most of the advantages of
Chebacco 25, plus more of their own. Still, if you want to race with
the Catboat Association...
Peter
Seems like all the Bolger boats I like have scant information
available.
The Chebacco 25 seems like it would be a really nice boat. I cannot
from any of the print or web information get a feel for the cabin
volume and height. Anyone know of one that has been built or have
any further information on it? I have Bolgers book, "Boats with an
open mind". Beyond that I cannot find much info.
available.
The Chebacco 25 seems like it would be a really nice boat. I cannot
from any of the print or web information get a feel for the cabin
volume and height. Anyone know of one that has been built or have
any further information on it? I have Bolgers book, "Boats with an
open mind". Beyond that I cannot find much info.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
When I look at the illustrations in BWAOM I notice several things of
interest:
It has a flat bottom - meaning the bottom can be plywood and the
sides can be strip planked just like Elver.
"Two Grumpy Old Men" a 20 foot version is being built this way and it
progressed rapidly. This makes it easier in fact to do the curvature
in the bow area than using plywood.
Building this way allows one to make the hull mostly open and gives
three cabin options - from minimal daysailer, to shelter house
(Birdwatcher options as well)... to offshore capability fully
enclosed pilothouse.
Plus it has a planing hull, which although perhaps not as fast under
sail would beat most sailboats once the motor is fired up.
For rivers and lakes where I would be sailing, I can see that as a
really attractive combination.
The shallow keel seems to have an end plate or bulb on it and the
centerboard is simply an aluminum plate.
Cheers, Nels
> In the unlikely event of my suddenly becoming rich beyond thedreams
> of advarice, I would have a Chebacco 25 as my daysailer. But Ithink
> I understand some of the reasons that they are not common.Yes I can understand them not being common - but not even one?
>
When I look at the illustrations in BWAOM I notice several things of
interest:
It has a flat bottom - meaning the bottom can be plywood and the
sides can be strip planked just like Elver.
"Two Grumpy Old Men" a 20 foot version is being built this way and it
progressed rapidly. This makes it easier in fact to do the curvature
in the bow area than using plywood.
Building this way allows one to make the hull mostly open and gives
three cabin options - from minimal daysailer, to shelter house
(Birdwatcher options as well)... to offshore capability fully
enclosed pilothouse.
Plus it has a planing hull, which although perhaps not as fast under
sail would beat most sailboats once the motor is fired up.
For rivers and lakes where I would be sailing, I can see that as a
really attractive combination.
The shallow keel seems to have an end plate or bulb on it and the
centerboard is simply an aluminum plate.
Cheers, Nels
> You are correct - there is nothing on the web.In the unlikely event of my suddenly becoming rich beyond the dreams
> I love the Chebacco 25
> and have been puzzled that one was never built it seems.
of advarice, I would have a Chebacco 25 as my daysailer. But I think
I understand some of the reasons that they are not common.
They are a lot harder to build than a standard Chebacco, but not
really so much better as a daysailer, the usual use. Consider that
planks may have three scarfs, and the large amount of detail work.
The interior, though useable, is minimal. Lap construction is less
popular than sheet ply.
I consider performance to be an open question. Sailboats of this size
don't sparkle (by today's standards) without deep ballast.
The bottom line is that for the effort and the money, most folks want
a more versatile boat, especially one better suited for a cruise of
several days.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Nelson" <joe_nelson22@h...> wrote:
You are correct - there is nothing on the web. I love the Chebacco 25
and have been puzzled that one was never built it seems.
There is a newsletter about the Chebaccos:
http://www.chebacco.com/
If you go there and check the "registry" you will see that one is
being built presently in Australia.
This fellow has made several changes to the design and it seems is
not getting much support from Bolger as a result.
I was considering a strip planked version with the pilothouse
modifications.
Cheers, Nels
> Does anyone here have a web site or more information on theChebacco
> 25? I cant find anything on the web.Hi Joe,
>
> Joe Nelson
You are correct - there is nothing on the web. I love the Chebacco 25
and have been puzzled that one was never built it seems.
There is a newsletter about the Chebaccos:
http://www.chebacco.com/
If you go there and check the "registry" you will see that one is
being built presently in Australia.
This fellow has made several changes to the design and it seems is
not getting much support from Bolger as a result.
I was considering a strip planked version with the pilothouse
modifications.
Cheers, Nels
Does anyone here have a web site or more information on the Chebacco
25? I cant find anything on the web.
Joe Nelson
25? I cant find anything on the web.
Joe Nelson
The Chebbaco News number 26 has a report from a 25 under construction.
Bill Paxton
Bill Paxton
--- In bolger@y..., "Grant" <boathead5@y...> wrote:
> I'm seeking information about the Chebacco 25, a stretched glued
> lapstrake version of the more common Chebacco 20? Does anyone know
of
> someone who has built or sailed one? -- Grant
> I'm seeking information about the Chebacco 25, a stretched gluedof someone who has built or sailed one? -- Grant
> lapstrake version of the more common Chebacco 20? Does anyone know
Grant --
Do you know about Bill Sampson's excellent "Chebacco News"?
http://members.nbci.com/billsamson/
I know that in several of the issues, there was mention (and
pictures) of a 25-footer. Unfortunately, I can't remember which
issues. Start with the more recent ones and work back -- or perhaps
Bill himself will let us know.
I'm hoping to start the 25-footer this year, too -- keep us up to
date if you build it.
All best,
Garth
I'm seeking information about the Chebacco 25, a stretched glued
lapstrake version of the more common Chebacco 20? Does anyone know of
someone who has built or sailed one? -- Grant
lapstrake version of the more common Chebacco 20? Does anyone know of
someone who has built or sailed one? -- Grant
Several questions are raised about the Chebacco 25 by what I would
call sloppy editing of the section in BWAOM. Examples:
1) The text says the rig is the same as the shorter boat, but the
drawing shows a 184sq ft solent lug main rather than a 149 sq ft gaff
main.
2) The text says 'all else is the same' when it clearly isn't. The
bigger boat seems to show ballast 'bulbs' in way of the centerboard,
for example.
It looks like a highly desireable boat to me. I am going to have to
compare the dimensions against the Barnegat Bay A-cat. I think the A-
cat is a about 4 feet longer on similar beam, with heavier
construction and a lot more sail area. I did a comparison of the A-
Cat with a Laser at one time and was interested to find the A-cat
just about twice the Laser in every linear dimension.
Peter
call sloppy editing of the section in BWAOM. Examples:
1) The text says the rig is the same as the shorter boat, but the
drawing shows a 184sq ft solent lug main rather than a 149 sq ft gaff
main.
2) The text says 'all else is the same' when it clearly isn't. The
bigger boat seems to show ballast 'bulbs' in way of the centerboard,
for example.
It looks like a highly desireable boat to me. I am going to have to
compare the dimensions against the Barnegat Bay A-cat. I think the A-
cat is a about 4 feet longer on similar beam, with heavier
construction and a lot more sail area. I did a comparison of the A-
Cat with a Laser at one time and was interested to find the A-cat
just about twice the Laser in every linear dimension.
Peter
Hi,
Nobody has completed a Chebacco-25 yet, though I understand that one (VERY
modified) is being built by Simon Jones in Australia. It's got leeboards
rather than a centreboard - THAT's how modified it is!
I don't think that Dynamite sells drawings for the 25 footer - only the 20
foot sheet ply version.
Now if anybody'd like to build one I'd be happy to publicise it!
Cheers,
Bill
--bill.samson@...
Chebacco News can be viewed on:
http://members.xoom.com/billsamson
Nobody has completed a Chebacco-25 yet, though I understand that one (VERY
modified) is being built by Simon Jones in Australia. It's got leeboards
rather than a centreboard - THAT's how modified it is!
I don't think that Dynamite sells drawings for the 25 footer - only the 20
foot sheet ply version.
Now if anybody'd like to build one I'd be happy to publicise it!
Cheers,
Bill
--bill.samson@...
Chebacco News can be viewed on:
http://members.xoom.com/billsamson
I have been amusing myself looking at the Chebacco 25 in BWAOM. Does
anyone know of any info about this design on the web? The only place
that I have ever seen anything is the Chebacco Newsletter.
Peter
(In Stamford, CT where the fruit tress, dogwoods, lilacs, & azaleas
are all in bloom. Probably the prettiest weekend of the year.)
anyone know of any info about this design on the web? The only place
that I have ever seen anything is the Chebacco Newsletter.
Peter
(In Stamford, CT where the fruit tress, dogwoods, lilacs, & azaleas
are all in bloom. Probably the prettiest weekend of the year.)