Re: [bolger] Amherst Galley

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From:fathersmeltofelderberries2009

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Subject:[bolger] Amherst Galley

 

Hi, Just wondering if plans are available for the Amherst Galley, or the Jochems Schooner. Kev

 

Hi Justin, WOW that makes two of us who have seen the film !!!, I did have another email account ie: motherwasahampster, but used yet another one for general stuff ie; lordborrolan, (because I bought a tiny piece of land on the shore of loch borralan, which evidently made me a laird), well now thats out of the way ......any news of Amherst Galley plans perhaps.........Kev

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
> Kev,
>
> By any chance, was your mother a hamster?
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fathersmeltofelderberries2009" <fathersmeltofelderberries2009@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Just wondering if plans are available for the Amherst Galley, or the Jochems Schooner. Kev
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "fathersmeltofelderberries2009" <fathersmeltofelderberries2009@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Just wondering if plans are available for the Amherst Galley, or the Jochems Schooner. Kev
>

> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@> wrote:
> >
> > While the I60 remains in limbo, Phil and Suzanne have offered us a
> > stop-gap design in the form of #643, the Amherst Galley.
>
> By "us" I am wondering if David was referring to you as well as
> himself in the above post?

>
> I posted my PDF of the vignette written by PCB in MAIB May 1, 1997

> the same place.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files
>
>
> Greg Flemming wrote:
> > Just posted the article on the Amherst Galley from the UK

> > called Water Craft from Nov/Dec 2001 edition in the Bolger 7

> > in the Files section under a file entitled Amherst Galley. The

> > other stuff from that article that I haven't posted was the sail

> > and profile etc, which are already posted on Bolger 5 Overflow

> > entitled Amherst Galley.
> >
> > Sorry if it is a bit indistinct
> >
> > Greg F
> >
> >
>

>
> I posted my PDF of the vignette written by PCB in MAIB May 1, 1997

> the same place.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files
>
>

> Just posted the article on the Amherst Galley from the UK magazine
> called Water Craft from Nov/Dec 2001 edition in the Bolger 7 overflow
> in the Files section under a file entitled Amherst Galley. The only
> other stuff from that article that I haven't posted was the sail plan
> and profile etc, which are already posted on Bolger 5 Overflow File
> entitled Amherst Galley.
>
> Sorry if it is a bit indistinct
>
> Greg F
>
>

>
> I've got an old MAIB somewhere with a vignette written by PCB

> a fictional cruise by a group two or three Amherst Galleys in the
> Thousand Islands area of New York and Ontario. I'll look for it and

> it if I can find it.
>
>
>
> Greg Flemming wrote:
> > The only write-up that I have seen for this design Nels, was in

> > UK magazine Water Craft and there is some text with this which I

> > be able to scan and send to you. I'll try, although I am no

> >
> > I really like this design, as is ; I think it takes the

> > concept to its logical limit. I am very enthusiastic and a bit
> > surprised that it has not been taken up - Can't imagine why that
> > school did not go through with it (well, apart from the insurance
> > liability which was apparently the issue!)
> >
> > I am really keen that my employer, PEP Employment ( a disability
> > employment service) takes it up, but we are undergoing a major

> > in funding arrangements now and this idea is "on-hold" until

> > settle down a bit.
> >
> > Greg F
> >
>

>
> FBBB,
>
> While the I60 remains in limbo, Phil and Suzanne have offered us a
> stop-gap design in the form of #643, the Amherst Galley.
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John Bell <smallboatdesigner@> wrote:
> >
> > I've got an old MAIB somewhere with a vignette written by PCB
> describing
> > a fictional cruise by a group two or three Amherst Galleys in the
> > Thousand Islands area of New York and Ontario. I'll look for it
and
> scan
> > it if I can find it.
> >
> Hi Greg & John,
>
> Very much appreciate your assistance. I hope we can get some
feedback
> from David as well. I can see how having two sailing together would
be
> great. So the folks in one can observe and photograph the other one.
>
> Very unfortunate about the liability stuff.
>
> Nels
>

>
> I've got an old MAIB somewhere with a vignette written by PCB

> a fictional cruise by a group two or three Amherst Galleys in the
> Thousand Islands area of New York and Ontario. I'll look for it and

> it if I can find it.
>

> The only write-up that I have seen for this design Nels, was in the
> UK magazine Water Craft and there is some text with this which I may
> be able to scan and send to you. I'll try, although I am no expert!
>
> I really like this design, as is ; I think it takes the Birdwatcher
> concept to its logical limit. I am very enthusiastic and a bit
> surprised that it has not been taken up - Can't imagine why that
> school did not go through with it (well, apart from the insurance
> liability which was apparently the issue!)
>
> I am really keen that my employer, PEP Employment ( a disability
> employment service) takes it up, but we are undergoing a major change
> in funding arrangements now and this idea is "on-hold" until things
> settle down a bit.
>
> Greg F
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Anybody know of a more detailed write-up on this design? Seems it
> could be arranged to sleep several people if the rowing stuff was
> deleted and a motor used instead. Lots of choices these days with
fold-
> up camp cots and enflateable beds.. Have a drop leaf table and a
small
> stove and sink amidships.
>
> I notice the masts are off-set like BWII and it uses a strut from
mast
> to boom instead of the usual vang. Very clear walking space and
easy
> to cover over to keep out the weather.
>
> I could imagine keeping two of the rowing stations along with a
yuloh
> for harbour cruising and even motoring about with a small 4-stroke
or
> electric trolling motor whilst leaving the sail-rig in port.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/Amherst%20Galley/
>
> Nels
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Anybody know of a more detailed write-up on this design?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pindimarmicro" <greg@p...> wrote:
>
> Hi Carl,
>
> The boat that I am doing is up to the stage where the hull is
being
> sheathed all over in fibreglass cloth - should be finished and
> painted within another week or so. After that it will be turned
over
> and the fore & aft decks fitted, then the main cabin deck and then
> the spars etc. So, nearly there now, but when it will be finished
I
> couldn't say!
>
> Personally, I think that Scram Pram is a much better bet than IMB
but
> a lot of people seem to go in the other direction. The point
about
> Scram Pram is that it doesn't need a sail as big as 173 sq ft and
I
> have a sail that was made for a Fat Cat II by Jim Michalak some
time
> back - that is 137 sq feet, I think. Blobster, the cockpit/cabin
> version of the boat, has a sail that size, and it is a much
heavier
> boat (with 600 pounds of water ballast whereas Scram has 300)
>
> The only other changes that I have made were to raise the main
cabin
> top by two inches (plans are in Imperial, so it's easier to build
in
> that measurement)- Jim Michalak thought that was fine. I also
used
> 9mm ply for the sides rather than 6mm because larger sheet sizes
were
> available and it's a total pain trying to adapt metric sized
sheets
> to an Imperial plan! Again, Jim thought that wouldn't matter.
>
> Scram is a very big boat, inside!
>
> Don Caron, who had the first one built, used it as a motor boat
and
> said that 4hp would be more than adequate and that there was no
> point in going any bigger because hull speed was limited to about
4
> knots. 2-3 hp would push it OK but when there was any kind of
wind
> it could get a little hard to control with a 2 1/2 hp, he said.
>
> OK, strictly speaking, this is not a Bolger boat but it is a
Bolger
> concept, so discussing it here seems appropriate!
>
> Greg
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ch_bunch" <ch_bunch@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pindimarmicro" <greg@p...> wrote:
> > > I am building a Scam Pram to test this idea...
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > I am considering building a Scam Pram or an IMB. How far along
are
> > you? For motoring, do the plans specify a recommended hp and
how
> fast
> > it will push the boat?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carl
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> Below is a former posting on the above design.
>
> Is there an article available anywhere, with a few more details on
> the design? Certain details I find interesting.
>
> The mast partner design and the vang strut that holds the foremast
> down, for example. Would these details be useful on other schooner
> sailplans?
>
> I would love to spend some time studying those plans and like Greg
> says - what a great project for group or adult family to undertake.
> Compared to a houseboat for example.
>
> Anything to share? David? Susan?
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >
> > FBBB,
> >
> > While the I60 remains in limbo, Phil and Suzanne have offered us
a
> > stop-gap design in the form of #643, the Amherst Galley.
> >
> > A Birdwatcher type, the Amherst Galley is 27'x6', and carries
> about 300
> > ft of sail on a reasonably sexy (thanks in part to an 8' sprit)
> > schooner rig. The boat features a sleeping room for 6, a camp
> kitchen
> > (stove, sink, stowage), and onboard head. Empty she should weigh
> in at
> > about #1500, making her a good trailer boat.
> >
> > Originally designed as part of a build and sail educational
> experience
> > for teenagers, the design was intended to harness the students'
> backs
> > for axillery power in the form of 4-8 "galley slaves" , on to
each
> oar.
> > If built, our galley would be crewed by one father/sailer and his
> > stalwart 6 year-old daughter/mate, lubber-mom, a six-month old
> > daughter, and two newfoundland dogs. This crew makes oar power an
> > optimistic idea, but PCP&F have some notions for how a motor
might
> be
> > mounted, possibly on the rudder itself.
> >
> > Over the last few weeks I've been going over study materials, and
> am
> > expecting full-scale plans by the end of the month. If
undertaken,
> the
> > idea would be to produce parts over the Winter, with assembly in
> March
> > and April for a Spring launch.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> Below is a former posting on the above design.
>
> Is there an article available anywhere, with a few more details on
> the design? Certain details I find interesting.
>
> The mast partner design and the vang strut that holds the foremast
> down, for example. Would these details be useful on other schooner
> sailplans?
>
> I would love to spend some time studying those plans and like Greg
> says - what a great project for group or adult family to undertake.
> Compared to a houseboat for example.
>
> Anything to share? David? Susan?
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
> >
> > FBBB,
> >
> > While the I60 remains in limbo, Phil and Suzanne have offered us
a
> > stop-gap design in the form of #643, the Amherst Galley.
> >
> > A Birdwatcher type, the Amherst Galley is 27'x6', and carries
> about 300
> > ft of sail on a reasonably sexy (thanks in part to an 8' sprit)
> > schooner rig. The boat features a sleeping room for 6, a camp
> kitchen
> > (stove, sink, stowage), and onboard head. Empty she should weigh
> in at
> > about #1500, making her a good trailer boat.
> >
> > Originally designed as part of a build and sail educational
> experience
> > for teenagers, the design was intended to harness the students'
> backs
> > for axillery power in the form of 4-8 "galley slaves" , on to
each
> oar.
> > If built, our galley would be crewed by one father/sailer and his
> > stalwart 6 year-old daughter/mate, lubber-mom, a six-month old
> > daughter, and two newfoundland dogs. This crew makes oar power an
> > optimistic idea, but PCP&F have some notions for how a motor
might
> be
> > mounted, possibly on the rudder itself.
> >
> > Over the last few weeks I've been going over study materials, and
> am
> > expecting full-scale plans by the end of the month. If
undertaken,
> the
> > idea would be to produce parts over the Winter, with assembly in
> March
> > and April for a Spring launch.
> >
> > YIBB,
> >
> > David
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
>
> > Yes, you are so right about most pictures you see of Birdwatcher
type
> > boats and the crew are sitting outside,
>
> It appears to me that there is only room for one of the crew to sit on
> the afterdeck at a time. The rest of the crew, it appears, are
> limited to being 'inside' acting as 'live' ballast.
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, bharbo@o... wrote:
>
> "John B. Trussell" <John.Trussell@w...> writes:
>
> > Finally, I note that about 3/4's of the pictures I see of
Birdwatcher type
> > boats show the captain sitting on the aft deck rather than inside
the cabin.
> > I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this....
>
> As a captain/owner of a William D Jochems (big birdwatcher type) I
> draw the following conclusion:
>
> Because it is the best position from which you can sail the
> boat. However, when I bring most of my five kids, they are more than
> happy to play and do whatever small kids do in absolutely safety
> inside the boat. They have a perfect view of the surroundings, they
> stay dry, the temperature is comfortable (even in the often not so
> friendly Norwegian climate) and I don't have to worry about kids
> falling over board. My parents (my father not included, he was the
> co-builder and finds that the only proper place for him in the boat is
> at or near the tiller...) and inlaws also enjoy sitting or lay down on
> the comfortable berths in the cabin with an unobstructed view to the
> sea.
>
> I do have tried to sail the boat from the inside steering position in
> bad weather. It is possible. But not more than possible. The view
> forward is not good. And that is probably the reason why the captain
> is mostly seen sitting in the cockpit.
>
> Bjorn in Oslo
>

> Finally, I note that about 3/4's of the pictures I see of Birdwatcher type
> boats show the captain sitting on the aft deck rather than inside the cabin.
> I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this....

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, David Ryan <david@c...> wrote:
>
> FBBB,
>
> While the I60 remains in limbo, Phil and Suzanne have offered us a
> stop-gap design in the form of #643, the Amherst Galley.
>
> A Birdwatcher type, the Amherst Galley is 27'x6', and carries
about 300
> ft of sail on a reasonably sexy (thanks in part to an 8' sprit)
> schooner rig. The boat features a sleeping room for 6, a camp
kitchen
> (stove, sink, stowage), and onboard head. Empty she should weigh
in at
> about #1500, making her a good trailer boat.
>
> Originally designed as part of a build and sail educational
experience
> for teenagers, the design was intended to harness the students'
backs
> for axillery power in the form of 4-8 "galley slaves" , on to each
oar.
> If built, our galley would be crewed by one father/sailer and his
> stalwart 6 year-old daughter/mate, lubber-mom, a six-month old
> daughter, and two newfoundland dogs. This crew makes oar power an
> optimistic idea, but PCP&F have some notions for how a motor might
be
> mounted, possibly on the rudder itself.
>
> Over the last few weeks I've been going over study materials, and
am
> expecting full-scale plans by the end of the month. If undertaken,
the
> idea would be to produce parts over the Winter, with assembly in
March
> and April for a Spring launch.
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>

>
> Greg,
>
> The Birdwatcher concept is very attractive and perhaps some day

> one. There are a couple of issues to consider...
>
> In smaller sizes, the crew sits on the bottom of the boat or on

> benches--fine if you are young and limber; not so good if you are

> arthritic.
>
> To get comfortable seating requires a fair sized boat and, even

> ultra-simple design and construction, a fair sized boat is a fair

> building project and requires a fair sized towing capability.
>

> Yes, you are so right about most pictures you see of Birdwatcher type
> boats and the crew are sitting outside,

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Mulcahy" <kakwariver@y...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John B. Trussell"
> <John.Trussell@w...> wrote:
> >
> > Greg,
> >
> > The Birdwatcher concept is very attractive and perhaps some day
> I'll build
> > one. There are a couple of issues to consider...
> >
> > In smaller sizes, the crew sits on the bottom of the boat or on
> very low
> > benches--fine if you are young and limber; not so good if you are
> old and
> > arthritic.
> >
> > To get comfortable seating requires a fair sized boat and, even
> with
> > ultra-simple design and construction, a fair sized boat is a fair
> sized
> > building project and requires a fair sized towing capability.
> >
> > The larger boats like the Amherst Galley work well for a crowd,
but
> is
> > perhaps unsuited for a single hander. (And the smaller, single
> hand boats
> > put you back on the bottom of the boat.)
> >
> > Finally, I note that about 3/4's of the pictures I see of
> Birdwatcher type
> > boats show the captain sitting on the aft deck rather than inside
> the cabin.
> > I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this....
> >
> > John T
>
> I have a smaller birdwatcher design with low benches (a modified
> Michalak Philsboat) and my 90 year old stepfather has sailed with
me
> a number of times and never complained of discomfort and my aunt
(in
> her mid 80's) went out with me and seemed ok about it too and she
> has a lot of trouble with arthritis. Neither of them seemed to have
> any trouble getting up or down on the low seat. Perhaps they both
are
> more game than your average person of that age. I don't think it is
> any worse than getting in and out of a car. It helps a lot that you
> can reach up to the slot and grap a hold to pull yourself up. It
> seems to me that the designs without the low benches would be a
> little harder to get up from but I've never been in one so I don't
> know.
>
> I don't know why the captains are always seen on the back deck. I
> find the most comfortable place on the boat is inside, I'm almost
> always in there.
>
> I'm 52 and I'm not arthritic but I do have a lot of problems with
my
> back and I find my boat very comfortable (my butt gets a bit sore
> after a days sail though).
>
> Mike
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ch_bunch" <ch_bunch@y...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pindimarmicro" <greg@p...> wrote:
> > I am building a Scam Pram to test this idea...
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> I am considering building a Scam Pram or an IMB. How far along are
> you? For motoring, do the plans specify a recommended hp and how
fast
> it will push the boat?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl
>

> I am building a Scam Pram to test this idea...

>
> Greg,
>
> The Birdwatcher concept is very attractive and perhaps some day

> one. There are a couple of issues to consider...
>
> In smaller sizes, the crew sits on the bottom of the boat or on

> benches--fine if you are young and limber; not so good if you are

> arthritic.
>
> To get comfortable seating requires a fair sized boat and, even

> ultra-simple design and construction, a fair sized boat is a fair

> building project and requires a fair sized towing capability.
>
> The larger boats like the Amherst Galley work well for a crowd, but

> perhaps unsuited for a single hander. (And the smaller, single

> put you back on the bottom of the boat.)
>
> Finally, I note that about 3/4's of the pictures I see of

> boats show the captain sitting on the aft deck rather than inside

> I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this....
>
> John T

>
> Greg,
>
> The Birdwatcher concept is very attractive and perhaps some day

> one. There are a couple of issues to consider...
>
> In smaller sizes, the crew sits on the bottom of the boat or on

> benches--fine if you are young and limber; not so good if you are

> arthritic.
>
> To get comfortable seating requires a fair sized boat and, even

> ultra-simple design and construction, a fair sized boat is a fair

> building project and requires a fair sized towing capability.
>
> The larger boats like the Amherst Galley work well for a crowd, but

> perhaps unsuited for a single hander. (And the smaller, single

> put you back on the bottom of the boat.)
>
> Finally, I note that about 3/4's of the pictures I see of

> boats show the captain sitting on the aft deck rather than inside

> I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this....
>
> John T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pindimarmicro" <greg@p...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:04 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Amherst Galley
>
>
> > Well, this may be a good chance to bring up the issue of the

> > Galley, which is, again, a Bolger design that has featured in the

> > mag. Water Craft. (No. 30, from Nov/Dec 2001, actually) Now

> > a boat that has fantastic potential as a boat for team building/
> > social skills building purposes. I happen to work for a

> > Employment Service specialising in people suffering from, or
> > rcovering from, a mental disability, and we have tried to get our
> > clients involved in some boat building classes at times -

> > kayak construction. This has been useful to some extent, but the

> > of the Amherst Galley as a craft that clients could be involved in
> > building, and then sailing, is a concept that, I think, has
> > tremendous potential. It is still a dream, however - it's a long
> > story!
> >
> > I am a bit surprised that this design has not been picked up and

> > a higher profile. Personally, I think that the "Birdwatcher"

> > has met it's greatest potential in this design. BUT! you never

> > a word about it! I am building a Scam Pram to test this idea, (to
> > some extent), but, really, why hasn't this concept taken off?

> > do you all think? I reckon there should be fleets of these things
> > around!!!
> >
> > Anyway, just trying move things on!
> >
> > Greg F (from Pindimar, until 25/1/06!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: "pindimarmicro" <greg@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: [bolger] Amherst Galley


> Well, this may be a good chance to bring up the issue of the Amherst
> Galley, which is, again, a Bolger design that has featured in the UK
> mag. Water Craft. (No. 30, from Nov/Dec 2001, actually) Now this is
> a boat that has fantastic potential as a boat for team building/
> social skills building purposes. I happen to work for a disability
> Employment Service specialising in people suffering from, or
> rcovering from, a mental disability, and we have tried to get our
> clients involved in some boat building classes at times - basically
> kayak construction. This has been useful to some extent, but the idea
> of the Amherst Galley as a craft that clients could be involved in
> building, and then sailing, is a concept that, I think, has
> tremendous potential. It is still a dream, however - it's a long
> story!
>
> I am a bit surprised that this design has not been picked up and had
> a higher profile. Personally, I think that the "Birdwatcher" concept
> has met it's greatest potential in this design. BUT! you never hear
> a word about it! I am building a Scam Pram to test this idea, (to
> some extent), but, really, why hasn't this concept taken off? What
> do you all think? I reckon there should be fleets of these things
> around!!!
>
> Anyway, just trying move things on!
>
> Greg F (from Pindimar, until 25/1/06!)
>
>
>
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> Didn't Martha Jane (pre-sponsons and ballast update) have only 250 sq.
> ft. of sail on a 6 foot or 6'6" beam, and that produced capsize
> problems? Now Amherst Galley is carrying 301 sq. ft. on a narrower
> beam.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...> wrote:
> I put Amherst Galley graphics in
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/files/Amherst%20Galley/

> I haven't been maintaining those Cheap Pages for several years,
> because I went over quota on the web server.
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> it's OK if it remains static, but if I want to change anything
> it requires forking over more money for a commercial account there.

>
> With shop grade plywood, and an airpowered stapler,
> [and no fiberglass sheathing]...

> Please refresh my memory of more precisely what
> an Amherst Galley is?� Scans or photos, and/or written
> description?

>
> Though a less satisfying proposition, a 25-30 foot production boat
> could be purchased, used until the I60 was ready to go and re-sold
> at a price that would probably not hurt too much.

> YIBB,
> David

>a boat that is ultimately a stop-gap. ... the Amherst Galley
> YIBB,
> David

> On 8/27/05, David Ryan  wrote:
> > The Amherst Galley
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> I agree, a fascinating design, and -Bolgeresque- too.

> I've just added a link for #426 Jinni. I couldn't figure how to make
> it more direct, yet cover all the Jinni references there in the PDF
> copies (Surf is there, others too). I think everyone readily sees
> the only other Jinni link I know at Craig O'Donnell's famous Cheap
> Pages (disregarding the many other references to Jim Michalak's boat
> in his own webpages).
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> Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> On 8/30/05, pvanderwaart wrote:
> All that is missing to achieve a Bolger Wiki are volunteer(s) to
make one,
>I looked at the existing one and, computer geek though I am, I found
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> could be done now would be for people to fill in the details
> in the Bolger Yahoo group database. Also, perhaps, for
> people who are interested, to collect together links to Bolger
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> published in _Messing About in Boats_. That collection could
> be kept in a new Yahoo Bolger group 'bibliography' database,
> perhaps?

> > All that is missing to achieve a Bolger Wiki are volunteer(s) to
> make one,
> I looked at the existing one and, computer geek though I am, I found
> it prohibitively confusing.

> All that is missing to achieve a Bolger Wiki are volunteer(s) to

> indeed you can argue that the beginnings already exist.

On Aug 28, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Derek Waters wrote:

> Are there images of this Amherst Galley available somewhere on the
> Web? A
> fairly diligent trawl through the Yahoo groups and some Googling
> failed to
> turn anything up for me. [Perhaps it is time to revisit the
> BolgerWiki,
> where the existing database could be expanded to include links to
> extant
> images...]
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> Derek
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
> On 8/28/05, Derek Waters wrote:
> > turn anything up for me. [Perhaps it is time to revisit the
BolgerWiki,
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> All that is missing to achieve a Bolger Wiki are volunteer(s) to
make one,
> indeed you can argue that the beginnings already exist.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/database?method=reportRows&tbl=3&sortBy=1&sortDir=down&startAt=&prntRpt=1
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>http://tinyurl.com/8wg2u
> -and-
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Bolger

> turn anything up for me. [Perhaps it is time to revisit the BolgerWiki,

> feet of sail on a hull that's only a little wider and and deeper than
> the Light Scooner.

> The Amherst Galley

On Aug 26, 2005, at 12:05 PM, pvanderwaart wrote:

> > While the I60 remains in limbo, Phil and Suzanne have offered us a
> > stop-gap design in the form of #643, the Amherst Galley.
>
> 'nother daughter, 'nother dog. The tribe increases. Congratulations.
>
> Given your previous comments in favor of Birdwatcher, I can see the
> attraction of the Amherst Galley. I'd have to take another look at the
> various drawings to weigh the differences between AG, BW, and the
> Jochems Schooner.
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> Keep us informed.
>
> Peter
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> While the I60 remains in limbo, Phil and Suzanne have offered us a
> stop-gap design in the form of #643, the Amherst Galley.

>
> If built, our galley would be crewed by. . . a six-month old
> daughter

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ryan" <david@...>
<snip> .. the design was intended to harness the students'
> backs for axillery power in the form of 4-8 "galley slaves"
<snip> ... , and two newfoundland dogs. This crew makes oar power an
> optimistic idea