Re: Kingston, NY messabout on 9/17? (website say 9/9-9/11)
One is Kingston Ontario, and the other Kingston, New York State, on
the Hudson River.
On September 9th to 11th there is the official Messabout in Kingston,
Ontario. This is what Ed links to. Also:
http://www.brucesboats.com/page12.html
The get-together on 9/17 is just an informal suggestion by Mike
Wagner, who is up in Rondout Creek off the Hudson River, in Kingston
NY. This Kingston is about three hours above New York City, and a half
hour above Newburgh, on the west side of the river. Rich
the Hudson River.
On September 9th to 11th there is the official Messabout in Kingston,
Ontario. This is what Ed links to. Also:
http://www.brucesboats.com/page12.html
The get-together on 9/17 is just an informal suggestion by Mike
Wagner, who is up in Rondout Creek off the Hudson River, in Kingston
NY. This Kingston is about three hours above New York City, and a half
hour above Newburgh, on the west side of the river. Rich
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "edt_978" <tomlins@c...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...>
> wrote:
> > Is the proposed Kingston, NY messabout still happening? We're
> > planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
> > _Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other
> boatbuilders
> > in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....
>
> Susan,
>
> The web site says Sept 9-11...
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/05/gatherings/kingston/free.htm
>
> Hope this helps,
> Ed Tomlinson
> Susan,Um, no, that's the Kingston *Ontario* messabout. There was some talk
>
> The web site says Sept 9-11...
of a Kingston *New York* messabout on the following weekend.
Kingston, ON is at the east end of Lake Ontario where it drains into
the St. Lawrence; Kingston, NY is on the Hudson where it flows past
the Catskills.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...>
wrote:
The web site says Sept 9-11...
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/05/gatherings/kingston/free.htm
Hope this helps,
Ed Tomlinson
wrote:
> Is the proposed Kingston, NY messabout still happening? We'reboatbuilders
> planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
> _Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other
> in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....Susan,
The web site says Sept 9-11...
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/05/gatherings/kingston/free.htm
Hope this helps,
Ed Tomlinson
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
there with _Shrike_ and the Tortoise that I'm building on my porch
right now.
I hope the Elegant Punt makes it, too -- our sailing club desperately
needs new tenders, and EP sounds like an excellent choice, especially
with metal edging attached to the bottom skids....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> We hope to make it there on Saturday the 17th. Depending onOh, yay! I've been dying to see Cormorant on the water. We'll be
> whether I can coax along a friend with a big flatbed trailer, we
> may have along not just the Cormorant, but also the glass-bottomed
> Elegant Punt, a Toto, a Mouseboat or two, and my friend's
> gold-plater pirogue.
there with _Shrike_ and the Tortoise that I'm building on my porch
right now.
I hope the Elegant Punt makes it, too -- our sailing club desperately
needs new tenders, and EP sounds like an excellent choice, especially
with metal edging attached to the bottom skids....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Garth! Nice to hear from you. I remember that day, and how you
described that sail. You came through some pretty nasty stuff. The
days you were sailing, we were enjoying some of the largest surf we
had seen on the Cape... but from the shore! I remember telling Cathy,
after you left, how you had such a great Hudson River boat. And on top
of that you can enjoy some of the rougher blue water (If "enjoy" is
the word...). Our Bivalve has been out in some unfun weather... stuff
you and Mike could handle much better in your craft, for sure. I began
to think of it as a great "lake boat" after a couple of years.
My Bivalve is in no condition to bring up on Saturday... I only sailed
it one day last year, and have not maintained it at all. It's a real
mess, unfortunately. We sail an O'day 22 for now, which works well for
us. As we all do before any big project, I agonize over what would
make sense in the future, if I build again.
It would be wonderful to see the Bolger collection you describe, and
if not, you and your Cormorant again. Rich.
described that sail. You came through some pretty nasty stuff. The
days you were sailing, we were enjoying some of the largest surf we
had seen on the Cape... but from the shore! I remember telling Cathy,
after you left, how you had such a great Hudson River boat. And on top
of that you can enjoy some of the rougher blue water (If "enjoy" is
the word...). Our Bivalve has been out in some unfun weather... stuff
you and Mike could handle much better in your craft, for sure. I began
to think of it as a great "lake boat" after a couple of years.
My Bivalve is in no condition to bring up on Saturday... I only sailed
it one day last year, and have not maintained it at all. It's a real
mess, unfortunately. We sail an O'day 22 for now, which works well for
us. As we all do before any big project, I agonize over what would
make sense in the future, if I build again.
It would be wonderful to see the Bolger collection you describe, and
if not, you and your Cormorant again. Rich.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "GarthAB" <garth@b...> wrote:
> Rich --
>
> On the subject of chance encounters -- was that you that I met at the
> Provincetown launch ramp back in late July? I had the big Michalak
> Cormorant up on the trailer. We had a brief chat about Bolger and
> Michalak boats and MAIB, and I think I recall you mentioning Bivalve.
>
> My memory is a bit murkier than usual, as we had just come through a
> rather hair-raising sail, and difficult retrieval of the boat onto the
> trailer, and we were in a state of mild shock, I think . . .
>
> In any case, it would be great to see you, and Mike's AS-29, in
> Kingston. We hope to make it there on Saturday the 17th. Depending on
> whether I can coax along a friend with a big flatbed trailer, we may
> have along not just the Cormorant, but also the glass-bottomed Elegant
> Punt, a Toto, a Mouseboat or two, and my friend's gold-plater pirogue.
>
> All best,
> Garth
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
> > This is all very interesting to me. I will try later in the week to
> > come by. Nothing would make me happier than a tour (and thank you for
> > offering). When you work in CAD with a model you get a certain feel
> > for a boat (car, plane, whatever...), which is usually far off from
> > the actual... but not always. As for the sailing characteristics of
> > the model, that is easily changed without altering the model.
> > Performance of VS models is not "read" from the graphics, but "plugged
> > in" by a file called "boat.cfg". For instance, if you substituted the
> > boat.cfg of a jetski for the AS-29 boat.cfg, the AS-29 model would
> > perform like the jetski. So I will keep your notes on performance by
> > my side, and make a new boat.cfg. I also understand, now, that most
> > owners do not use the spinnaker as a rule. I sort of (mistakenly) used
> > it like a jib on the model. So I may change that. If I get to update
> > the model, perhaps I can email you a copy which you could try, and
> > give feedback?
> >
> > For anyone interested, the model of this boat, and my Superbrick
> > model, can be found at:http://avsim.com/vs/You can get a demo copy
> > of the program to try any of the models. The models are free, of
> > course. The two Bolger models I made can also be found at my Chum
> > Bucket:http://www.angelfire.com/space/proto57/I also have a short
> > article in each download as "readme.html".
> >
> > Don't you get the feeling that several people are really close to
> > building a Superbrick?
> >
> > I actually have a set of plans for the AS-29, which I got after I made
> > the model (from study drawings and photos). I wanted to ask you a
> > couple of things which interested me... in case we don't meet up. The
> > detail around the front of the cabin house (which you lengthened) was
> > unclear to me. How it met with the deck/deck beams, for one thing. And
> > I was also wondering how you addressed the bilgeboard trunks... did
> > you reinforce the junction with the bottom? And how you constructed
> > the rudder and rudderstock, and so on. The only major boat I built was
> > a Steve Redmond Elver in '92 (20' shoal-draft canoe yawl), and I
> > quickly found that much in undertaking such a project is "educated
> > interpretation"... as people need to do with my iceboat plans, too.
> > Which keeps boatbuilding an art, as much as a science, no?
> >
> > Thanks for responding... have fun up there. I sailed into Roundout and
> > spent a weekend, with the Elver (Bivalve), around '97. I made the trip
> > from Cold Spring. I spent one night way up the creek (brought my
> > paddle, though), in the shallows... beautiful creek, off a beautiful
> > river. It's a lucky thing when we get to do it, as you are now. Rich.
> >
Rich --
On the subject of chance encounters -- was that you that I met at the
Provincetown launch ramp back in late July? I had the big Michalak
Cormorant up on the trailer. We had a brief chat about Bolger and
Michalak boats and MAIB, and I think I recall you mentioning Bivalve.
My memory is a bit murkier than usual, as we had just come through a
rather hair-raising sail, and difficult retrieval of the boat onto the
trailer, and we were in a state of mild shock, I think . . .
In any case, it would be great to see you, and Mike's AS-29, in
Kingston. We hope to make it there on Saturday the 17th. Depending on
whether I can coax along a friend with a big flatbed trailer, we may
have along not just the Cormorant, but also the glass-bottomed Elegant
Punt, a Toto, a Mouseboat or two, and my friend's gold-plater pirogue.
All best,
Garth
On the subject of chance encounters -- was that you that I met at the
Provincetown launch ramp back in late July? I had the big Michalak
Cormorant up on the trailer. We had a brief chat about Bolger and
Michalak boats and MAIB, and I think I recall you mentioning Bivalve.
My memory is a bit murkier than usual, as we had just come through a
rather hair-raising sail, and difficult retrieval of the boat onto the
trailer, and we were in a state of mild shock, I think . . .
In any case, it would be great to see you, and Mike's AS-29, in
Kingston. We hope to make it there on Saturday the 17th. Depending on
whether I can coax along a friend with a big flatbed trailer, we may
have along not just the Cormorant, but also the glass-bottomed Elegant
Punt, a Toto, a Mouseboat or two, and my friend's gold-plater pirogue.
All best,
Garth
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "proto957" <helio6@h...> wrote:
> This is all very interesting to me. I will try later in the week to
> come by. Nothing would make me happier than a tour (and thank you for
> offering). When you work in CAD with a model you get a certain feel
> for a boat (car, plane, whatever...), which is usually far off from
> the actual... but not always. As for the sailing characteristics of
> the model, that is easily changed without altering the model.
> Performance of VS models is not "read" from the graphics, but "plugged
> in" by a file called "boat.cfg". For instance, if you substituted the
> boat.cfg of a jetski for the AS-29 boat.cfg, the AS-29 model would
> perform like the jetski. So I will keep your notes on performance by
> my side, and make a new boat.cfg. I also understand, now, that most
> owners do not use the spinnaker as a rule. I sort of (mistakenly) used
> it like a jib on the model. So I may change that. If I get to update
> the model, perhaps I can email you a copy which you could try, and
> give feedback?
>
> For anyone interested, the model of this boat, and my Superbrick
> model, can be found at:http://avsim.com/vs/You can get a demo copy
> of the program to try any of the models. The models are free, of
> course. The two Bolger models I made can also be found at my Chum
> Bucket:http://www.angelfire.com/space/proto57/I also have a short
> article in each download as "readme.html".
>
> Don't you get the feeling that several people are really close to
> building a Superbrick?
>
> I actually have a set of plans for the AS-29, which I got after I made
> the model (from study drawings and photos). I wanted to ask you a
> couple of things which interested me... in case we don't meet up. The
> detail around the front of the cabin house (which you lengthened) was
> unclear to me. How it met with the deck/deck beams, for one thing. And
> I was also wondering how you addressed the bilgeboard trunks... did
> you reinforce the junction with the bottom? And how you constructed
> the rudder and rudderstock, and so on. The only major boat I built was
> a Steve Redmond Elver in '92 (20' shoal-draft canoe yawl), and I
> quickly found that much in undertaking such a project is "educated
> interpretation"... as people need to do with my iceboat plans, too.
> Which keeps boatbuilding an art, as much as a science, no?
>
> Thanks for responding... have fun up there. I sailed into Roundout and
> spent a weekend, with the Elver (Bivalve), around '97. I made the trip
> from Cold Spring. I spent one night way up the creek (brought my
> paddle, though), in the shallows... beautiful creek, off a beautiful
> river. It's a lucky thing when we get to do it, as you are now. Rich.
>
This is all very interesting to me. I will try later in the week to
come by. Nothing would make me happier than a tour (and thank you for
offering). When you work in CAD with a model you get a certain feel
for a boat (car, plane, whatever...), which is usually far off from
the actual... but not always. As for the sailing characteristics of
the model, that is easily changed without altering the model.
Performance of VS models is not "read" from the graphics, but "plugged
in" by a file called "boat.cfg". For instance, if you substituted the
boat.cfg of a jetski for the AS-29 boat.cfg, the AS-29 model would
perform like the jetski. So I will keep your notes on performance by
my side, and make a new boat.cfg. I also understand, now, that most
owners do not use the spinnaker as a rule. I sort of (mistakenly) used
it like a jib on the model. So I may change that. If I get to update
the model, perhaps I can email you a copy which you could try, and
give feedback?
For anyone interested, the model of this boat, and my Superbrick
model, can be found at:http://avsim.com/vs/You can get a demo copy
of the program to try any of the models. The models are free, of
course. The two Bolger models I made can also be found at my Chum
Bucket:http://www.angelfire.com/space/proto57/I also have a short
article in each download as "readme.html".
Don't you get the feeling that several people are really close to
building a Superbrick?
I actually have a set of plans for the AS-29, which I got after I made
the model (from study drawings and photos). I wanted to ask you a
couple of things which interested me... in case we don't meet up. The
detail around the front of the cabin house (which you lengthened) was
unclear to me. How it met with the deck/deck beams, for one thing. And
I was also wondering how you addressed the bilgeboard trunks... did
you reinforce the junction with the bottom? And how you constructed
the rudder and rudderstock, and so on. The only major boat I built was
a Steve Redmond Elver in '92 (20' shoal-draft canoe yawl), and I
quickly found that much in undertaking such a project is "educated
interpretation"... as people need to do with my iceboat plans, too.
Which keeps boatbuilding an art, as much as a science, no?
Thanks for responding... have fun up there. I sailed into Roundout and
spent a weekend, with the Elver (Bivalve), around '97. I made the trip
from Cold Spring. I spent one night way up the creek (brought my
paddle, though), in the shallows... beautiful creek, off a beautiful
river. It's a lucky thing when we get to do it, as you are now. Rich.
come by. Nothing would make me happier than a tour (and thank you for
offering). When you work in CAD with a model you get a certain feel
for a boat (car, plane, whatever...), which is usually far off from
the actual... but not always. As for the sailing characteristics of
the model, that is easily changed without altering the model.
Performance of VS models is not "read" from the graphics, but "plugged
in" by a file called "boat.cfg". For instance, if you substituted the
boat.cfg of a jetski for the AS-29 boat.cfg, the AS-29 model would
perform like the jetski. So I will keep your notes on performance by
my side, and make a new boat.cfg. I also understand, now, that most
owners do not use the spinnaker as a rule. I sort of (mistakenly) used
it like a jib on the model. So I may change that. If I get to update
the model, perhaps I can email you a copy which you could try, and
give feedback?
For anyone interested, the model of this boat, and my Superbrick
model, can be found at:http://avsim.com/vs/You can get a demo copy
of the program to try any of the models. The models are free, of
course. The two Bolger models I made can also be found at my Chum
Bucket:http://www.angelfire.com/space/proto57/I also have a short
article in each download as "readme.html".
Don't you get the feeling that several people are really close to
building a Superbrick?
I actually have a set of plans for the AS-29, which I got after I made
the model (from study drawings and photos). I wanted to ask you a
couple of things which interested me... in case we don't meet up. The
detail around the front of the cabin house (which you lengthened) was
unclear to me. How it met with the deck/deck beams, for one thing. And
I was also wondering how you addressed the bilgeboard trunks... did
you reinforce the junction with the bottom? And how you constructed
the rudder and rudderstock, and so on. The only major boat I built was
a Steve Redmond Elver in '92 (20' shoal-draft canoe yawl), and I
quickly found that much in undertaking such a project is "educated
interpretation"... as people need to do with my iceboat plans, too.
Which keeps boatbuilding an art, as much as a science, no?
Thanks for responding... have fun up there. I sailed into Roundout and
spent a weekend, with the Elver (Bivalve), around '97. I made the trip
from Cold Spring. I spent one night way up the creek (brought my
paddle, though), in the shallows... beautiful creek, off a beautiful
river. It's a lucky thing when we get to do it, as you are now. Rich.
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> Wow, you just missed us. We went out for ice cream. Had you waited,
we'd
> have been back shortly. Please try to stop by again. I'm off work this
> week and will probably take another overnight "cruise to nowhere." I'm
> still learning the boat and testing things like anchoring and even
> docking under sail. If you stop by Friday, or late afternoon
Saturday, I
> will likely be at the marina. I have to go back to work (sob) next
week,
> so Sunday afternoon is time to come home, grocery shop, do laundry, etc.
>
> This last cruise included an incident in which the outboard motor
conked
> out. (Turned out to be dirt in the fuel line, easily fixed once
> diagnosed.) We had just left Cold Spring and were motoring up river
> against a stiff headwind. When I couldn't get the motor started again,
> we raised sail and beat our way to Newburgh. We called ahead to let the
> marina staff know that we were coming in under sail and they should
have
> help waiting. The Sherrif's boat came out and ran interference. I took
> the boat a bit north of the marina, dropped the main and sailed in
under
> mizzen alone. The boat sided up to the dock so easily and gently, you'd
> have thought I'd done it a thousand times. Once docked, we took our
time
> fiddling with engine and then decided to stay the night and enjoy the
> nightlife on the new Newburgh watefront. They've done a great job of
> fixing up the place, it almost feels like San Antonio with its
riverwalk.
>
> A few construction details. Many of the bronze parts you saw are
> salvage. The rubrail, the porthole in the doghouse, etc are salvaged
> from an old boat I once owned. All the teak blocks are also salvaged.
> There's a beautiful drop leaf table in the salon that's also salvage.
> The floors are traditional teak and holly striped. I built the galley
> slightly different from the plans; the doghouse is about a foot longer
> than specified, and the door to the bedroom is centered rather than the
> off-center placement specified. I had to fit the antique dresser I
found
> for the bedroom, and I didn't want drawers in the galley.
>
> I have to comment on your programming of the Virtual Sailor. I don't
> know if the program allows it, but the AS-29 sails very differently
than
> a sloop. The sheeting of the sails works very differently, and I was
not
> able to use the program to mimick the actual performance of the
cat-yawl
> rig. The boat is basically a cat-boat. This means that all the drive is
> in the mainsail, and it's mounted very far forward. This causes extreme
> weather helm. With the boom off at about a 45 degree angle, the boat
> will try to pull up into wind, even to the point of going in irons. If
> you sheet in tighter, she falls off and heels more, but doesn't point
> up. To sail up wind in a cat-boat, you have to constantly fight the
> tiller to keep her out of irons. The mizzen fixes that by balancing the
> rig just enough to cancel out the extreme weather helm. It looks
> strange, but she points upwind very nicely with the main eased out
quite
> a bit. As the wind picks up, instead of just heeling over, the rig
> becomes unbalanced again and she rounds up. It's a neat way to sail as
> you can trust the boat to take care of herself. I often tie off the
> tiller and just let her do her thing.
>
> By the way - top speed under sail is just over 7 knots.
>
> Hope you get a chance to stop by. I'll give you a tour.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> Mike
>
>
> proto957 wrote:
>
> >Mike: I am the guy who hailed you. I was actually in one of the kayaks
> >(1974 Folboat), with my daughter, near the Woodie Guthrie... I was
> >part of the safety escort for the Newburg to Beacon swim. The Woodie
> >was the lead boat. They got 102 swimmers for the event this year... if
> >you passed about 30 minutes later you would have been quite surprised.
> >
> >Imagine my surprise when I saw you cruise by. I had to do a
> >double-take on that vision. And to get you on the radio, and find out
> >you knew of my Virtual Sailor AS-29... for a less common design, there
> >has to be a coincidence in there.
> >
> >My wife, daughter, and I stopped by the marina on Sunday evening about
> >5:00. Unfortunately you were not around. But I appreciated the
> >opportunity to see a "real" AS-29 up close, and took the liberty of
> >snapping a few shots. I have to say you did a really wonderful job on
> >your boat. I love the bronze trim... the rub-rail, the cleats. And the
> >mast is a piece of jewelry.
> >
> >If I have a chance I may stop by again this week sometime. I don't
> >want to interfere with any of your plans, of course. Rich SantaColoma.
> >
> >
> >--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike Wagner <mwagner@f...> wrote:
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> >>No formal messabout, but I and my AS-29 will be at the Rondout Yacht
> >>Basin (Connelly, NY - just across the creek from Kingston.) all this
> >>week and the next few weekends. Feel free to come by, take a tour,
and
> >>bring your boat.
> >>
> >>The marina has camping space available, a ramp for launching, etc.
> >>
> >>Come on by. Love to meet you.
> >>
> >>I happend to sail past the "Woody Guthrie" this weekend. As I did, I
> >>
> >>
> >was
> >
> >
> >>hailed on the radio by one of her crew who claims to be the
programmer
> >>who put the AS-29 on "Virtual Sailor." He has promised to stop by and
> >>check out the boat.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>Susan Davis wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Is the proposed Kingston, NY messabout still happening? We're
> >>>planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
> >>>_Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other boatbuilders
> >>>in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Wow, you just missed us. We went out for ice cream. Had you waited, we'd
have been back shortly. Please try to stop by again. I'm off work this
week and will probably take another overnight "cruise to nowhere." I'm
still learning the boat and testing things like anchoring and even
docking under sail. If you stop by Friday, or late afternoon Saturday, I
will likely be at the marina. I have to go back to work (sob) next week,
so Sunday afternoon is time to come home, grocery shop, do laundry, etc.
This last cruise included an incident in which the outboard motor conked
out. (Turned out to be dirt in the fuel line, easily fixed once
diagnosed.) We had just left Cold Spring and were motoring up river
against a stiff headwind. When I couldn't get the motor started again,
we raised sail and beat our way to Newburgh. We called ahead to let the
marina staff know that we were coming in under sail and they should have
help waiting. The Sherrif's boat came out and ran interference. I took
the boat a bit north of the marina, dropped the main and sailed in under
mizzen alone. The boat sided up to the dock so easily and gently, you'd
have thought I'd done it a thousand times. Once docked, we took our time
fiddling with engine and then decided to stay the night and enjoy the
nightlife on the new Newburgh watefront. They've done a great job of
fixing up the place, it almost feels like San Antonio with its riverwalk.
A few construction details. Many of the bronze parts you saw are
salvage. The rubrail, the porthole in the doghouse, etc are salvaged
from an old boat I once owned. All the teak blocks are also salvaged.
There's a beautiful drop leaf table in the salon that's also salvage.
The floors are traditional teak and holly striped. I built the galley
slightly different from the plans; the doghouse is about a foot longer
than specified, and the door to the bedroom is centered rather than the
off-center placement specified. I had to fit the antique dresser I found
for the bedroom, and I didn't want drawers in the galley.
I have to comment on your programming of the Virtual Sailor. I don't
know if the program allows it, but the AS-29 sails very differently than
a sloop. The sheeting of the sails works very differently, and I was not
able to use the program to mimick the actual performance of the cat-yawl
rig. The boat is basically a cat-boat. This means that all the drive is
in the mainsail, and it's mounted very far forward. This causes extreme
weather helm. With the boom off at about a 45 degree angle, the boat
will try to pull up into wind, even to the point of going in irons. If
you sheet in tighter, she falls off and heels more, but doesn't point
up. To sail up wind in a cat-boat, you have to constantly fight the
tiller to keep her out of irons. The mizzen fixes that by balancing the
rig just enough to cancel out the extreme weather helm. It looks
strange, but she points upwind very nicely with the main eased out quite
a bit. As the wind picks up, instead of just heeling over, the rig
becomes unbalanced again and she rounds up. It's a neat way to sail as
you can trust the boat to take care of herself. I often tie off the
tiller and just let her do her thing.
By the way - top speed under sail is just over 7 knots.
Hope you get a chance to stop by. I'll give you a tour.
Thanks for your interest.
Mike
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Wow, you just missed us. We went out for ice cream. Had you waited, we'd
have been back shortly. Please try to stop by again. I'm off work this
week and will probably take another overnight "cruise to nowhere." I'm
still learning the boat and testing things like anchoring and even
docking under sail. If you stop by Friday, or late afternoon Saturday, I
will likely be at the marina. I have to go back to work (sob) next week,
so Sunday afternoon is time to come home, grocery shop, do laundry, etc.
This last cruise included an incident in which the outboard motor conked
out. (Turned out to be dirt in the fuel line, easily fixed once
diagnosed.) We had just left Cold Spring and were motoring up river
against a stiff headwind. When I couldn't get the motor started again,
we raised sail and beat our way to Newburgh. We called ahead to let the
marina staff know that we were coming in under sail and they should have
help waiting. The Sherrif's boat came out and ran interference. I took
the boat a bit north of the marina, dropped the main and sailed in under
mizzen alone. The boat sided up to the dock so easily and gently, you'd
have thought I'd done it a thousand times. Once docked, we took our time
fiddling with engine and then decided to stay the night and enjoy the
nightlife on the new Newburgh watefront. They've done a great job of
fixing up the place, it almost feels like San Antonio with its riverwalk.
A few construction details. Many of the bronze parts you saw are
salvage. The rubrail, the porthole in the doghouse, etc are salvaged
from an old boat I once owned. All the teak blocks are also salvaged.
There's a beautiful drop leaf table in the salon that's also salvage.
The floors are traditional teak and holly striped. I built the galley
slightly different from the plans; the doghouse is about a foot longer
than specified, and the door to the bedroom is centered rather than the
off-center placement specified. I had to fit the antique dresser I found
for the bedroom, and I didn't want drawers in the galley.
I have to comment on your programming of the Virtual Sailor. I don't
know if the program allows it, but the AS-29 sails very differently than
a sloop. The sheeting of the sails works very differently, and I was not
able to use the program to mimick the actual performance of the cat-yawl
rig. The boat is basically a cat-boat. This means that all the drive is
in the mainsail, and it's mounted very far forward. This causes extreme
weather helm. With the boom off at about a 45 degree angle, the boat
will try to pull up into wind, even to the point of going in irons. If
you sheet in tighter, she falls off and heels more, but doesn't point
up. To sail up wind in a cat-boat, you have to constantly fight the
tiller to keep her out of irons. The mizzen fixes that by balancing the
rig just enough to cancel out the extreme weather helm. It looks
strange, but she points upwind very nicely with the main eased out quite
a bit. As the wind picks up, instead of just heeling over, the rig
becomes unbalanced again and she rounds up. It's a neat way to sail as
you can trust the boat to take care of herself. I often tie off the
tiller and just let her do her thing.
By the way - top speed under sail is just over 7 knots.
Hope you get a chance to stop by. I'll give you a tour.
Thanks for your interest.
Mike
proto957 wrote:
>Mike: I am the guy who hailed you. I was actually in one of the kayaks[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>(1974 Folboat), with my daughter, near the Woodie Guthrie... I was
>part of the safety escort for the Newburg to Beacon swim. The Woodie
>was the lead boat. They got 102 swimmers for the event this year... if
>you passed about 30 minutes later you would have been quite surprised.
>
>Imagine my surprise when I saw you cruise by. I had to do a
>double-take on that vision. And to get you on the radio, and find out
>you knew of my Virtual Sailor AS-29... for a less common design, there
>has to be a coincidence in there.
>
>My wife, daughter, and I stopped by the marina on Sunday evening about
>5:00. Unfortunately you were not around. But I appreciated the
>opportunity to see a "real" AS-29 up close, and took the liberty of
>snapping a few shots. I have to say you did a really wonderful job on
>your boat. I love the bronze trim... the rub-rail, the cleats. And the
>mast is a piece of jewelry.
>
>If I have a chance I may stop by again this week sometime. I don't
>want to interfere with any of your plans, of course. Rich SantaColoma.
>
>
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>>No formal messabout, but I and my AS-29 will be at the Rondout Yacht
>>Basin (Connelly, NY - just across the creek from Kingston.) all this
>>week and the next few weekends. Feel free to come by, take a tour, and
>>bring your boat.
>>
>>The marina has camping space available, a ramp for launching, etc.
>>
>>Come on by. Love to meet you.
>>
>>I happend to sail past the "Woody Guthrie" this weekend. As I did, I
>>
>>
>was
>
>
>>hailed on the radio by one of her crew who claims to be the programmer
>>who put the AS-29 on "Virtual Sailor." He has promised to stop by and
>>check out the boat.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Susan Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is the proposed Kingston, NY messabout still happening? We're
>>>planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
>>>_Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other boatbuilders
>>>in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Things are pretty crazy with me, but I may be able to
make a weekend with my Martha Jane. I just towed it
from San Francisco to Albany, NY not CA.
Phil Smith
--- Mike Wagner <mwagner@...> wrote:
make a weekend with my Martha Jane. I just towed it
from San Francisco to Albany, NY not CA.
Phil Smith
--- Mike Wagner <mwagner@...> wrote:
> No formal messabout, but I and my AS-29 will be at
> the Rondout Yacht
> Basin (Connelly, NY - just across the creek from
> Kingston.) all this
> week and the next few weekends. Feel free to come
> by, take a tour, and
> bring your boat.
>
> The marina has camping space available, a ramp for
> launching, etc.
>
> Come on by. Love to meet you.
Mike: I am the guy who hailed you. I was actually in one of the kayaks
(1974 Folboat), with my daughter, near the Woodie Guthrie... I was
part of the safety escort for the Newburg to Beacon swim. The Woodie
was the lead boat. They got 102 swimmers for the event this year... if
you passed about 30 minutes later you would have been quite surprised.
Imagine my surprise when I saw you cruise by. I had to do a
double-take on that vision. And to get you on the radio, and find out
you knew of my Virtual Sailor AS-29... for a less common design, there
has to be a coincidence in there.
My wife, daughter, and I stopped by the marina on Sunday evening about
5:00. Unfortunately you were not around. But I appreciated the
opportunity to see a "real" AS-29 up close, and took the liberty of
snapping a few shots. I have to say you did a really wonderful job on
your boat. I love the bronze trim... the rub-rail, the cleats. And the
mast is a piece of jewelry.
If I have a chance I may stop by again this week sometime. I don't
want to interfere with any of your plans, of course. Rich SantaColoma.
(1974 Folboat), with my daughter, near the Woodie Guthrie... I was
part of the safety escort for the Newburg to Beacon swim. The Woodie
was the lead boat. They got 102 swimmers for the event this year... if
you passed about 30 minutes later you would have been quite surprised.
Imagine my surprise when I saw you cruise by. I had to do a
double-take on that vision. And to get you on the radio, and find out
you knew of my Virtual Sailor AS-29... for a less common design, there
has to be a coincidence in there.
My wife, daughter, and I stopped by the marina on Sunday evening about
5:00. Unfortunately you were not around. But I appreciated the
opportunity to see a "real" AS-29 up close, and took the liberty of
snapping a few shots. I have to say you did a really wonderful job on
your boat. I love the bronze trim... the rub-rail, the cleats. And the
mast is a piece of jewelry.
If I have a chance I may stop by again this week sometime. I don't
want to interfere with any of your plans, of course. Rich SantaColoma.
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> No formal messabout, but I and my AS-29 will be at the Rondout Yacht
> Basin (Connelly, NY - just across the creek from Kingston.) all this
> week and the next few weekends. Feel free to come by, take a tour, and
> bring your boat.
>
> The marina has camping space available, a ramp for launching, etc.
>
> Come on by. Love to meet you.
>
> I happend to sail past the "Woody Guthrie" this weekend. As I did, I
was
> hailed on the radio by one of her crew who claims to be the programmer
> who put the AS-29 on "Virtual Sailor." He has promised to stop by and
> check out the boat.
>
> Mike
>
> Susan Davis wrote:
>
> >Is the proposed Kingston, NY messabout still happening? We're
> >planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
> >_Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other boatbuilders
> >in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....
> >
> >
> >
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No formal messabout, but I and my AS-29 will be at the Rondout Yacht
Basin (Connelly, NY - just across the creek from Kingston.) all this
week and the next few weekends. Feel free to come by, take a tour, and
bring your boat.
The marina has camping space available, a ramp for launching, etc.
Come on by. Love to meet you.
I happend to sail past the "Woody Guthrie" this weekend. As I did, I was
hailed on the radio by one of her crew who claims to be the programmer
who put the AS-29 on "Virtual Sailor." He has promised to stop by and
check out the boat.
Mike
Susan Davis wrote:
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No formal messabout, but I and my AS-29 will be at the Rondout Yacht
Basin (Connelly, NY - just across the creek from Kingston.) all this
week and the next few weekends. Feel free to come by, take a tour, and
bring your boat.
The marina has camping space available, a ramp for launching, etc.
Come on by. Love to meet you.
I happend to sail past the "Woody Guthrie" this weekend. As I did, I was
hailed on the radio by one of her crew who claims to be the programmer
who put the AS-29 on "Virtual Sailor." He has promised to stop by and
check out the boat.
Mike
Susan Davis wrote:
>Is the proposed Kingston, NY messabout still happening? We're
>planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
>_Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other boatbuilders
>in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....
>
>
>
Is the proposed Kingston, NY messabout still happening? We're
planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
_Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other boatbuilders
in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
planning to be in Palenville that weekend (9/17-9/18) anyway, with
_Shrike_, and would be happy to get together with other boatbuilders
in the area whether the formal messabout happens or not....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>