Re: Dakota trailer problem
My buddy just got a new trailer for his large power boat; it has a
rocking cradle arrangement in the centre of the long trailer. When
the trailer is empty, the aft end of the cradle is rocked down, so
that the rear rollers are quite low. As you move the boat forward on
the trailer, as it reaches aprox. the forward third of the trailer,
the cradle rocks down at the front, the rear rollers come up to level,
and support the aft end of the boat. Complex to engineer, but pure
pleasure to use.
Just a thought.
No, actually what happened was that when I had backed in as
rocking cradle arrangement in the centre of the long trailer. When
the trailer is empty, the aft end of the cradle is rocked down, so
that the rear rollers are quite low. As you move the boat forward on
the trailer, as it reaches aprox. the forward third of the trailer,
the cradle rocks down at the front, the rear rollers come up to level,
and support the aft end of the boat. Complex to engineer, but pure
pleasure to use.
Just a thought.
No, actually what happened was that when I had backed in as
> far as possible, the back of the trailer was well submerged and
> the aft end of the boat was floating a couple of feet above the aft
> bunks while the bow was still bearing so heavily on the forward
> bunks that it would not move and the trailer was being distorted.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yep, you've got the picture, Rick. With all the "No Wake" areas, I
see these big 900 hp beasts that run on pure testosterone
puttering along at 3 knots most of the time.
Our boating season here in northern MI ends soon, and I will be
working on the solution to the trailer problem over the winter. I
appreciate the suggestions.
Vince
see these big 900 hp beasts that run on pure testosterone
puttering along at 3 knots most of the time.
Our boating season here in northern MI ends soon, and I will be
working on the solution to the trailer problem over the winter. I
appreciate the suggestions.
Vince
I had a similar problem on a 22' sharpie a couple decades ago. I modified the trailer to that the forward end of the bunks rested right on the trailer frame, leaving the rear of the bunks high. When on level ground everyone thought the boat looked odd on the trailer, like it was falling forward, but it sure made launching and retrieving easy.
When at the launch ramp a boat floats level, but the trailer conforms to the ramp slope, so you end up with your problem, the forward end of the bunks are too high.. "Tilting" the bunks by mounting them so they are bow down solves this geometry problem. Ideally the entire length of bunks should submerge to the same level (parallel to the water surface) at the same moment as you back into the water. The lenght of the trailer tongue, or tonge extension should allow you to "lower" the bunks so the water over the entire length of bunk is deeper the hull draft. Then you "park" the boat over the bunks, secure it to the trailer with the winch (no winching up the bunks necessary) and off you go!
You may not want to trailer "bow down" so maybe you could devise a way to hinge and lower the front section of the bunks only while launching and then jack it back up and lock it in place once out for the water and on level ground...
By the way, those "gofast" boats solve this launching problem by weighing down the aft end of their boats so that at rest they float bow high and stern down, way down. That way their boat bottom is actually parallel to the bunks. They do this by putting several giant engines in the rear. Really, they only have two or three V-8's or V-12's back there because they need the weight to keep the stern down and bow up for launching... If it wasn't for that they'd only have a little four cylinder for power :)
Rick
soussouchew <soussouchew@...> wrote:
No, actually what happened was that when I had backed in as
far as possible, the back of the trailer was well submerged and
the aft end of the boat was floating a couple of feet above the aft
bunks while the bow was still bearing so heavily on the forward
bunks that it would not move and the trailer was being distorted.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
When at the launch ramp a boat floats level, but the trailer conforms to the ramp slope, so you end up with your problem, the forward end of the bunks are too high.. "Tilting" the bunks by mounting them so they are bow down solves this geometry problem. Ideally the entire length of bunks should submerge to the same level (parallel to the water surface) at the same moment as you back into the water. The lenght of the trailer tongue, or tonge extension should allow you to "lower" the bunks so the water over the entire length of bunk is deeper the hull draft. Then you "park" the boat over the bunks, secure it to the trailer with the winch (no winching up the bunks necessary) and off you go!
You may not want to trailer "bow down" so maybe you could devise a way to hinge and lower the front section of the bunks only while launching and then jack it back up and lock it in place once out for the water and on level ground...
By the way, those "gofast" boats solve this launching problem by weighing down the aft end of their boats so that at rest they float bow high and stern down, way down. That way their boat bottom is actually parallel to the bunks. They do this by putting several giant engines in the rear. Really, they only have two or three V-8's or V-12's back there because they need the weight to keep the stern down and bow up for launching... If it wasn't for that they'd only have a little four cylinder for power :)
Rick
soussouchew <soussouchew@...> wrote:
No, actually what happened was that when I had backed in as
far as possible, the back of the trailer was well submerged and
the aft end of the boat was floating a couple of feet above the aft
bunks while the bow was still bearing so heavily on the forward
bunks that it would not move and the trailer was being distorted.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...>
wrote:
far as possible, the back of the trailer was well submerged and
the aft end of the boat was floating a couple of feet above the aft
bunks while the bow was still bearing so heavily on the forward
bunks that it would not move and the trailer was being distorted.
So I removed the forward bunks. This allowed the boat to float
off, but then I was not able to winch it back up to the bumper on
the winch support.
It is the plumb bow that causes that problem. I see 40 foot
Scarab and Formula boats launched and retrieved at our ramp,
but their bow eye is low on the up-sloped bottom and thus is
several feet aft of the bow at deck level. This allows the winch
cable to start pulling at an angle about 15 degrees below
horizontal and maintain this angle until the bow hits the bumper.
With the plumb bow, the winch cable becomes more and more
vertical as the boat is pulled onto the trailer until it has little or no
horizontal force. Having the winch mounted several feet farther
forward would solve the problem, but the trailer is at the highway
limit now.
I appreciate all suggestions. I'm sure there is a solution.
Oversized tongue jack wheels and a tongue extension may be
part of the answer. Mounting the winch on the tow vehicle may be
another part.
I was pleasantly surpised when I got the bill from the yard for
launching my boat with the Travel-lift. It was $34. It only took them
15 minutes. I thought there would be a 1 hr. minimum, but
apparently not. Maybe they just liked the boat!
Vince
wrote:
> The problem (as I see it) is that Dakota (like Micro)No, actually what happened was that when I had backed in as
> has a pot belly. That belly doesn't clear the after-end
> support 'bunk' on the trailer. That after-end support
> needs to be removable, with or without rollers.
far as possible, the back of the trailer was well submerged and
the aft end of the boat was floating a couple of feet above the aft
bunks while the bow was still bearing so heavily on the forward
bunks that it would not move and the trailer was being distorted.
So I removed the forward bunks. This allowed the boat to float
off, but then I was not able to winch it back up to the bumper on
the winch support.
It is the plumb bow that causes that problem. I see 40 foot
Scarab and Formula boats launched and retrieved at our ramp,
but their bow eye is low on the up-sloped bottom and thus is
several feet aft of the bow at deck level. This allows the winch
cable to start pulling at an angle about 15 degrees below
horizontal and maintain this angle until the bow hits the bumper.
With the plumb bow, the winch cable becomes more and more
vertical as the boat is pulled onto the trailer until it has little or no
horizontal force. Having the winch mounted several feet farther
forward would solve the problem, but the trailer is at the highway
limit now.
I appreciate all suggestions. I'm sure there is a solution.
Oversized tongue jack wheels and a tongue extension may be
part of the answer. Mounting the winch on the tow vehicle may be
another part.
I was pleasantly surpised when I got the bill from the yard for
launching my boat with the Travel-lift. It was $34. It only took them
15 minutes. I thought there would be a 1 hr. minimum, but
apparently not. Maybe they just liked the boat!
Vince
> Anyway, the trailer, instead of bunks, had several rows of wheelbarrowSee illustration here:
> tires for rollers.
> RonB
http://hallman.org/boats/pot_belly_boat_trailer_problem.gif
The problem (as I see it) is that Dakota (like Micro)
has a pot belly. That belly doesn't clear the after-end
support 'bunk' on the trailer. That after-end support
needs to be removable, with or without rollers.
The other option is to submerge the trailer by the
depth of the pot belly, pretty deep in other words.
I solved my problem by having the after-end support
being removable.
Something I saw some years ago (I don't remember where; SBJ, MAIB, a Bolger
book maybe) was for a similar size boat (possibly Samuel Clyde; at least
that size & style):
Anyway, the trailer, instead of bunks, had several rows of wheelbarrow
tires for rollers. To spread the weight, there would probably need to be
several wheels per row. The center pair of wheels on each axle could be
close enough to guide the bow all the way up.
The rows could be spaced to land under frames, so the boat would be
supported at the frames instead of just the planking. Each row could be
adjusted vertically to match the rocker of the boat.
An advantage of this is that the boat could be easily adjusted for position
fore and aft on the trailer after getting out of the water and up on some
flat ground.
Not a cheap solution, but neither is a boat lift.
Regards,
RonB
book maybe) was for a similar size boat (possibly Samuel Clyde; at least
that size & style):
Anyway, the trailer, instead of bunks, had several rows of wheelbarrow
tires for rollers. To spread the weight, there would probably need to be
several wheels per row. The center pair of wheels on each axle could be
close enough to guide the bow all the way up.
The rows could be spaced to land under frames, so the boat would be
supported at the frames instead of just the planking. Each row could be
adjusted vertically to match the rocker of the boat.
An advantage of this is that the boat could be easily adjusted for position
fore and aft on the trailer after getting out of the water and up on some
flat ground.
Not a cheap solution, but neither is a boat lift.
Regards,
RonB
It sounds like a roller jack stand and a winch for the trailer hitch
is the answer. You can buy dual wheel jack stands and even put bigger
wheels on them. PCB talks about them in his discussion of Topaz in MAIB.
Another idea, my Triad trailer has a 6-7ft extnsion pipe with a hitch
welded to it. Park in front of the ramp and put down jack stand,
disconnect main hitch, pull forward, pull the pipe extension out and put
extension hitch on trailer ball. This launches my keel boat except I've
never done it. Luck, Clyde
soussouchew wrote:
is the answer. You can buy dual wheel jack stands and even put bigger
wheels on them. PCB talks about them in his discussion of Topaz in MAIB.
Another idea, my Triad trailer has a 6-7ft extnsion pipe with a hitch
welded to it. Park in front of the ramp and put down jack stand,
disconnect main hitch, pull forward, pull the pipe extension out and put
extension hitch on trailer ball. This launches my keel boat except I've
never done it. Luck, Clyde
soussouchew wrote:
> The current home page photo for the group <Bolger4photos> is
It sounds like a roller jack stand and a winch for the trailer hitch
is the answer. You can buy dual wheel jack stands and even put bigger
wheels on them. PCB talks about them in his discussion of Topaz in MAIB.
Another idea, my Triad trailer has a 6-7ft extnsion pipe with a hitch
welded to it. Park in front of the ramp and put down jack stand,
disconnect main hitch, pull forward, pull the pipe extension out and put
extension hitch on trailer ball. This launches my keel boat except I've
never done it. Luck, Clyde
soussouchew wrote:
is the answer. You can buy dual wheel jack stands and even put bigger
wheels on them. PCB talks about them in his discussion of Topaz in MAIB.
Another idea, my Triad trailer has a 6-7ft extnsion pipe with a hitch
welded to it. Park in front of the ramp and put down jack stand,
disconnect main hitch, pull forward, pull the pipe extension out and put
extension hitch on trailer ball. This launches my keel boat except I've
never done it. Luck, Clyde
soussouchew wrote:
> The current home page photo for the group <Bolger4photos> is
Yes. From my limited experience, tilt-trailers tilt rather suddenly --
something that's not such a good idea at those dimensions.
Howard
something that's not such a good idea at those dimensions.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "soussouchew" <soussouchew@y...> wrote:
> Regarding tilting, etc. Keep in mind that this boat is 38' long and
> weighs 7500 lbs.
I have seen a waterproof silicone type spray in a can for carpet
bunks. Claim is it reduces sliding fricion enough to make the boat as
easy to pull on bunks as on rollers.
bunks. Claim is it reduces sliding fricion enough to make the boat as
easy to pull on bunks as on rollers.
The current home page photo for the group <Bolger4photos> is
my Dakota on the trailer it's original configuration. I could not get
the trailer deep enough to float the the boat off. Plus, with the
stern afloat, there was so much weight on the front bunk that it
was distorting the trailer. So I had my welder friend remove the
front bunk supports and reinforce the trailer frame from the axles
forward. I was then able to float the boat off by backing in so far
that my bumper was in the water and the exhaust was blowing
bubbles. NOT GOOD! Only the front wheels of the 4X4 had any
traction. The winch was useless at the cable angle. I pulled the
boat home gingerly with it about 3ft. short of the bumper on the
winch support mast, and the tongue weight WAY too light.
Back at the shop, I had to jack the boat up off the trailer with
bottle jacks and lots of blocking so I could roll the trailer back to
its proper location.
Regarding tilting, etc. Keep in mind that this boat is 38' long and
weighs 7500 lbs.
my Dakota on the trailer it's original configuration. I could not get
the trailer deep enough to float the the boat off. Plus, with the
stern afloat, there was so much weight on the front bunk that it
was distorting the trailer. So I had my welder friend remove the
front bunk supports and reinforce the trailer frame from the axles
forward. I was then able to float the boat off by backing in so far
that my bumper was in the water and the exhaust was blowing
bubbles. NOT GOOD! Only the front wheels of the 4X4 had any
traction. The winch was useless at the cable angle. I pulled the
boat home gingerly with it about 3ft. short of the bumper on the
winch support mast, and the tongue weight WAY too light.
Back at the shop, I had to jack the boat up off the trailer with
bottle jacks and lots of blocking so I could roll the trailer back to
its proper location.
Regarding tilting, etc. Keep in mind that this boat is 38' long and
weighs 7500 lbs.
I think a trailer that tilts back is the opposite of what he wants to do.
My AF4 had a similar problem to Vince's: on a steep ramp the bow would be
too low and the stern too high. In order to launch and retreive my boat, I
had to back the trailer way deep in the water to prevent the bow from
grounding out as I loaded the boat. This made getting the boat lined up on
the trailer a hassle until I installed 2"PVC guides. But launch and
retrieval was never a dry foot operation with this boat.
One thing that helped was adding additional bunks foward almost to the
winch. Putting the winch (and bow eye) down low as possible helped, too.
My AF4 had a similar problem to Vince's: on a steep ramp the bow would be
too low and the stern too high. In order to launch and retreive my boat, I
had to back the trailer way deep in the water to prevent the bow from
grounding out as I loaded the boat. This made getting the boat lined up on
the trailer a hassle until I installed 2"PVC guides. But launch and
retrieval was never a dry foot operation with this boat.
One thing that helped was adding additional bunks foward almost to the
winch. Putting the winch (and bow eye) down low as possible helped, too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Stephenson" <stephensonhw@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Dakota photos added (Bolger4photos) group
> Maybe the trailer can be modified so that it becomes a tilting
> trailer. They used to be very common, although I haven't noticed any
> in recent years and never for a boat this size.
>
> Their main purpose is to allow a boat to get on and off a trailer
> without getting the wheel bearings wet. It would have the potential
> for making it easier to get the forefoot onto the trailer, because it
> tilts down.
>
> Howard
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "soussouchew" <soussouchew@y...> wrote:
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711"
> > <chodges@a...> wrote:
> > > Maybe you need to build a trolley that rolls the length of the
> > > trailer. ........
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Maybe the trailer can be modified so that it becomes a tilting
trailer. They used to be very common, although I haven't noticed any
in recent years and never for a boat this size.
Their main purpose is to allow a boat to get on and off a trailer
without getting the wheel bearings wet. It would have the potential
for making it easier to get the forefoot onto the trailer, because it
tilts down.
Howard
trailer. They used to be very common, although I haven't noticed any
in recent years and never for a boat this size.
Their main purpose is to allow a boat to get on and off a trailer
without getting the wheel bearings wet. It would have the potential
for making it easier to get the forefoot onto the trailer, because it
tilts down.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "soussouchew" <soussouchew@y...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711"
> <chodges@a...> wrote:
> > Maybe you need to build a trolley that rolls the length of the
> > trailer. ........
> is on wheels, there should be little resistance until the boat settlesMicro has lots of rocker, and it is the stern half of
> on the other bunks.
the hull that has 'support challenges'. I ended up
making some removable struts that support the
stern quarters. After the hull is on the trailer, and
snug up against the foward supports, I raise the
stern of the hull using a farm jack and install the
struts. [They fit into the aft well drain holes.]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "chodges31711"
<chodges@a...> wrote:
BTW: Dakota does have rocker -- unlike Idaho or Wyoming.
Thanks,
Vince
<chodges@a...> wrote:
> Maybe you need to build a trolley that rolls the length of theInteresting idea. I'll mull it over.
> trailer. ........
BTW: Dakota does have rocker -- unlike Idaho or Wyoming.
Thanks,
Vince
Maybe you need to build a trolley that rolls the length of the
trailer. The stem would attach to a saddle bunk on the trolley and the
winch would pull the trolley. If the stern is floating and the trolley
is on wheels, there should be little resistance until the boat settles
on the other bunks.
With a flat bottom and no rocker, like Idaho, one could put the rear
edge of the trailer in the water and use a winched trolley to both
push the boat into the water and retreive it.
trailer. The stem would attach to a saddle bunk on the trolley and the
winch would pull the trolley. If the stern is floating and the trolley
is on wheels, there should be little resistance until the boat settles
on the other bunks.
With a flat bottom and no rocker, like Idaho, one could put the rear
edge of the trailer in the water and use a winched trolley to both
push the boat into the water and retreive it.
> The only negative is that I am not able to launch and retrieve
> Dakota from my trailer even though we have a very good launch
> ramp. Because of the plumb bow, the bottom is low all the way
> to the stem. When the stern floats, the bow rocks down. When
> trying to retrieve, this puts the pull of the winch cable almost
> verticle. At this angle, the winch won't pull the boat up to the
> bumper. Relocationg the winch support forward would help, but
> it is already just behind the coupler, and the rig is at the
> maximum legal length so I can't extend the tongue.
>
> Fortunately, I have a mooring for this year. So, I had the boat put
> in at a marina with a travel lift.
>
> Vince
Thanks!
Man, Bolger has a lot of groups.
Very nice boat!!
RonB.
Man, Bolger has a lot of groups.
Very nice boat!!
RonB.
On 5-Sep-05, at 1:12 PM, pvanderwaart wrote:
> The group name is Bolger4photos, not Bolger4, reasonable though it
> might be to look there.
Hi Vince,
These are the album shown in "my" Bolger 4. What am I doing wrong?
Photo Albums
Centennial
Commuter 36 a Bolgeresque cruiser
Oldshoe Photos
Sneakeasy - Inboard
Tween
RonB.
These are the album shown in "my" Bolger 4. What am I doing wrong?
Photo Albums
Centennial
Commuter 36 a Bolgeresque cruiser
Oldshoe Photos
Sneakeasy - Inboard
Tween
RonB.
On 5-Sep-05, at 11:58 AM, soussouchew wrote:
>
> Ron,
>
> Be sure you are in the right group.
> You must join to see photos.
> Try this link to the <PHOTOS>
>
>http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst
>
> "Dakota" is the 5th album.
>
> Vince
The group name is Bolger4photos, not Bolger4, reasonable though it
might be to look there.
might be to look there.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Balogh <mark@b...> wrote:
> No, it doesn't show up there for me either. On my screen, Bolger4
photos
> page has 17 files and the 5th one (1rst on second row of 4) is
named Tween.
> What is the name of the folder. I have reloaded the page just to
make sure
> it wasn't a cache version but no Dakota shows up on that page for
me.
> Mark
>
>
> From: "soussouchew" <soussouchew@y...>
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> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:58:27 -0000
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Dakota photos added (Bolger4photos) group
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <badley@s...>
> wrote:
> > I can't seem to find the pictures. Bolger4 photos and files
> don't seem
> > to have the file. Help!
> >
> > RonB.
>
> Ron,
>
> Be sure you are in the right group.
> You must join to see photos.
> Try this link to the <PHOTOS>
>
>http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst
>
> "Dakota" is the 5th album.
>
> Vince
>
>
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No, it doesn't show up there for me either. On my screen, Bolger4 photos
page has 17 files and the 5th one (1rst on second row of 4) is named Tween.
What is the name of the folder. I have reloaded the page just to make sure
it wasn't a cache version but no Dakota shows up on that page for me.
Mark
From: "soussouchew" <soussouchew@...>
Reply-To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:58:27 -0000
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Dakota photos added (Bolger4photos) group
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <badley@s...>
wrote:
Be sure you are in the right group.
You must join to see photos.
Try this link to the <PHOTOS>
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4photos/lst
"Dakota" is the 5th album.
Vince
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page has 17 files and the 5th one (1rst on second row of 4) is named Tween.
What is the name of the folder. I have reloaded the page just to make sure
it wasn't a cache version but no Dakota shows up on that page for me.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:58:27 -0000
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Subject: [bolger] Re: Dakota photos added (Bolger4photos) group
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <badley@s...>
wrote:
> I can't seem to find the pictures. Bolger4 photos and filesdon't seem
> to have the file. Help!Ron,
>
> RonB.
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You must join to see photos.
Try this link to the <PHOTOS>
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"Dakota" is the 5th album.
Vince
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <badley@s...>
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"Dakota" is the 5th album.
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wrote:
> I can't seem to find the pictures. Bolger4 photos and filesdon't seem
> to have the file. Help!Ron,
>
> RonB.
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"Dakota" is the 5th album.
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I can't seem to find the pictures. Bolger4 photos and files don't seem
to have the file. Help!
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to have the file. Help!
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> 38' trailer with another 6' or longer extension. Having the trailerYour Dakota looks great! A heck of an accomplishment,
> Vince
the completion of a big Bolger boat is a rare thing.
Are your plans for Dakota to be a 'trailer boat', if so,
that is a pretty big boat for trailering.
> The only negative is that I am not able to launch and retrieveWow! Very, very nice.
> Dakota from my trailer even though we have a very good launch
> ramp. Because of the plumb bow, the bottom is low all the way
> to the stem. When the stern floats, the bow rocks down. When
> trying to retrieve, this puts the pull of the winch cable almost
> verticle. At this angle, the winch won't pull the boat up to the
> bumper. Relocationg the winch support forward would help, but
> it is already just behind the coupler, and the rig is at the
> maximum legal length so I can't extend the tongue.
Talking a much small scale, I installed a vertical strut on the winch
post of the trailer for my Cynthia J. so the retrieval line would be
more or less horizontal as I pulled the boat onto the trailer. With
the usual low winch position, the bow was pulled down onto the
rollers, not forward into position.
Did I say, "WOW!"
Peter
Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I have thought about putting the
winch on the tow vehicle. It's a possibility. There is about 800 lbs.
of tongue weight on the hitch. I would need to figure a way to
carry around a heavy-duty trailer dolly. A simple tongue extension
probably wouldn't do it. Also, with a tongue extension, there is the
problem that most boat ramps aren't long enough to handle a
38' trailer with another 6' or longer extension. Having the trailer
wheels drop off the end of the ramp is not good! Plus, the stern
is beyond the end of the ramp dock so you can't get on and off
the boat; and standing on the tongue, you are in waist deep
water.
There was support for the forward 1/3 of the boat on the trailer
originally. The problem then was that when the stern floated, it
put so much weight on those supports that the boat wouldn't
slide off. So you can imagine the resistance to winching it back
up, It probably would have pulled the bow eye out of the boat. So I
removed the trailer supports for the forward 1/3 of the boat. This
allowed it to float off, but created the problem I described earlier.
It may turn out to be cheaper to have it launched and retrieved at
the marina once a season than to throw more money into
experiments that might not work.
Vince
winch on the tow vehicle. It's a possibility. There is about 800 lbs.
of tongue weight on the hitch. I would need to figure a way to
carry around a heavy-duty trailer dolly. A simple tongue extension
probably wouldn't do it. Also, with a tongue extension, there is the
problem that most boat ramps aren't long enough to handle a
38' trailer with another 6' or longer extension. Having the trailer
wheels drop off the end of the ramp is not good! Plus, the stern
is beyond the end of the ramp dock so you can't get on and off
the boat; and standing on the tongue, you are in waist deep
water.
There was support for the forward 1/3 of the boat on the trailer
originally. The problem then was that when the stern floated, it
put so much weight on those supports that the boat wouldn't
slide off. So you can imagine the resistance to winching it back
up, It probably would have pulled the bow eye out of the boat. So I
removed the trailer supports for the forward 1/3 of the boat. This
allowed it to float off, but created the problem I described earlier.
It may turn out to be cheaper to have it launched and retrieved at
the marina once a season than to throw more money into
experiments that might not work.
Vince
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "soussouchew" <soussouchew@y...> wrote:
When the stern floats, the bow rocks down. When
> trying to retrieve, this puts the pull of the winch cable almost
> verticle. At this angle, the winch won't pull the boat up to the
> bumper. Relocationg the winch support forward would help, but
> it is already just behind the coupler, and the rig is at the
> maximum legal length so I can't extend the tongue.
>
> Vince
Wasn't it Bolger who suggested attaching a winch to the tow vehicle and
winching the entire trailer down the ramp and into the water? That way
you could get it deep enough to float Flow Blue all the way up to your
to your trailer winch. You might also consider a removable support for
the bow to keep most of the weight off the bow eye when the stern
starts to float and the bow wants to go down.
Chris Stewart
--- Michael Friday <michael_friday@...> wrote:
going to trust the yahoo spellcheck!
The word I was trying to write was "tongue"
-M
>Gee, sorry about the fractured spelling, that's the last time I am
> .. a longer totongueight ....
>
> ...a totonguextension that you would install at the ramp?
>
>
going to trust the yahoo spellcheck!
The word I was trying to write was "tongue"
-M
Extremely beautiful boat, Vince! Congratulations! I would love
to hear about your cruising plans.
You wrote that a longer totongueight solve your launching problem
but your trailer was as long as possible as it is. Perhaps you
could rig a totonguextension that you would install at the ramp?
-Michael
--- sosoussouchewsosoussouchewahoo.com> wrote:
to hear about your cruising plans.
You wrote that a longer totongueight solve your launching problem
but your trailer was as long as possible as it is. Perhaps you
could rig a totonguextension that you would install at the ramp?
-Michael
--- sosoussouchewsosoussouchewahoo.com> wrote:
> Dakota is in the water. Her name "Flow Blue" is from a type of
> blue and white antique porcelain that Mary Ann collects. My son
> took these wading while we were anchored at a beach. I don't
> have any of her underway yet. I will have to wait until a GPGPSs
> installed to get performance numbers, but she gets up and
> moves at WOT. It feels like she is planing, but I can't be sure. I
> usually run at about 3000 r.p.m.'s where she is smooth and
> quiet.
>
> The only negative is that I am not able to launch and retrieve
> Dakota from my trailer even though we have a very good launch
> ramp. Because of the plumb bow, the bottom is low all the way
> to the stem. When the stern floats, the bow rocks down. When
> trying to retrieve, this puts the pull of the winch cable almost
> veverticleAt this angle, the winch won't pull the boat up to the
> bumper. ReRelocationghe winch support forward would help, but
> it is already just behind the coupler, and the rig is at the
> maximum legal length so I can't extend the tongue.
>
> Fortunately, I have a mooring for this year. So, I had the boat put
>
> in at a marina with a travel lift.
>
> Vince
>
>
Dakota is in the water. Her name "Flow Blue" is from a type of
blue and white antique porcelain that Mary Ann collects. My son
took these wading while we were anchored at a beach. I don't
have any of her underway yet. I will have to wait until a GPS is
installed to get performance numbers, but she gets up and
moves at WOT. It feels like she is planing, but I can't be sure. I
usually run at about 3000 r.p.m.'s where she is smooth and
quiet.
The only negative is that I am not able to launch and retrieve
Dakota from my trailer even though we have a very good launch
ramp. Because of the plumb bow, the bottom is low all the way
to the stem. When the stern floats, the bow rocks down. When
trying to retrieve, this puts the pull of the winch cable almost
verticle. At this angle, the winch won't pull the boat up to the
bumper. Relocationg the winch support forward would help, but
it is already just behind the coupler, and the rig is at the
maximum legal length so I can't extend the tongue.
Fortunately, I have a mooring for this year. So, I had the boat put
in at a marina with a travel lift.
Vince
blue and white antique porcelain that Mary Ann collects. My son
took these wading while we were anchored at a beach. I don't
have any of her underway yet. I will have to wait until a GPS is
installed to get performance numbers, but she gets up and
moves at WOT. It feels like she is planing, but I can't be sure. I
usually run at about 3000 r.p.m.'s where she is smooth and
quiet.
The only negative is that I am not able to launch and retrieve
Dakota from my trailer even though we have a very good launch
ramp. Because of the plumb bow, the bottom is low all the way
to the stem. When the stern floats, the bow rocks down. When
trying to retrieve, this puts the pull of the winch cable almost
verticle. At this angle, the winch won't pull the boat up to the
bumper. Relocationg the winch support forward would help, but
it is already just behind the coupler, and the rig is at the
maximum legal length so I can't extend the tongue.
Fortunately, I have a mooring for this year. So, I had the boat put
in at a marina with a travel lift.
Vince