Re: Wolf Trap #366 Photos (+ "Wiki" Shared Knowledge)
Peter, Howard, Jack, & All,
as Doug has referred to his "Wolf Trap", in passing, in a number of
posts in various groups now, my understanding may be somewhat
muddled. It maybe that "Wolf Trap" was designed solely for aluminium
construction. However, there was correspondence including sketch
plans to and fro between Doug and Bolger and it may be that a plan
for wood became the plan in "Different Boats" for aluminium, as due
to his work related experience that is what Doug wanted.
RE: WIKI SHARED KNOWLEDGE
Doug has posted the following:
"Graeme,
I do have a few pictures of her sailing with her original rig. They
are some what water damaged but viewable no less. I am wondering if
it
might be of interest to some if over a period of time I wrote a
series
of e-mails about how she came to be, her use and some of what we
learned. My business partner has a whole album of pictures of her
construction. I have some of the original letters and sketches
between
Phil Bolger and myself on the designing and building of Wolftrap.
These
would require his approval.
I am somewhat busy repainting my motherinlaw's old home while
building Mr. Redmonds (Elver) but through the come few months I
should
be able to accomplish this. I really would like there to be some
public
record of this adventure of mine, if there is any interest at all.
Doug"
I think there is no question but that there would be quite "some"
interest over time in pictures (water damaged or not), an album of
construction photos, original correspondence with the designer and
sketches if approved, and a series of electronic articles
concerning "Wolf Trap" and her builder/skipper.
My query for the group is how and where would Doug's adventure be
best placed on the public record? It may be good etiquette for it to
be over at yahoo smallsailboats group although possibly a little off
group topic there. It may be best on record at "Wikipedia", at some
other website with links, or at this group. Perhaps Doug should be
encouraged to write for regular type media such as MAIB, or other.
I would very much appreciate his record (and any other Bolgerverse)
entering into the public domain with easy access in a unified/linked
way for my own and history's sake. So for those in this group who
are better qualified in these public knowledge record/medium
matters, what do you think?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BARBARA SPOERING" <b.spoering@w...>
wrote:
construction I see stringers in all the corners & in between. The
same as shown on Jesse Cooper and AS-29 so i'm really assuming ply
construction is available.
As-29 I have my doubts, Perhaps a first class interion with all
it's associated equipment would seriously add to costs but a decent
Do-It-Yourselfer should have no trouble keeping costs in line.
as Doug has referred to his "Wolf Trap", in passing, in a number of
posts in various groups now, my understanding may be somewhat
muddled. It maybe that "Wolf Trap" was designed solely for aluminium
construction. However, there was correspondence including sketch
plans to and fro between Doug and Bolger and it may be that a plan
for wood became the plan in "Different Boats" for aluminium, as due
to his work related experience that is what Doug wanted.
RE: WIKI SHARED KNOWLEDGE
Doug has posted the following:
"Graeme,
I do have a few pictures of her sailing with her original rig. They
are some what water damaged but viewable no less. I am wondering if
it
might be of interest to some if over a period of time I wrote a
series
of e-mails about how she came to be, her use and some of what we
learned. My business partner has a whole album of pictures of her
construction. I have some of the original letters and sketches
between
Phil Bolger and myself on the designing and building of Wolftrap.
These
would require his approval.
I am somewhat busy repainting my motherinlaw's old home while
building Mr. Redmonds (Elver) but through the come few months I
should
be able to accomplish this. I really would like there to be some
public
record of this adventure of mine, if there is any interest at all.
Doug"
I think there is no question but that there would be quite "some"
interest over time in pictures (water damaged or not), an album of
construction photos, original correspondence with the designer and
sketches if approved, and a series of electronic articles
concerning "Wolf Trap" and her builder/skipper.
My query for the group is how and where would Doug's adventure be
best placed on the public record? It may be good etiquette for it to
be over at yahoo smallsailboats group although possibly a little off
group topic there. It may be best on record at "Wikipedia", at some
other website with links, or at this group. Perhaps Doug should be
encouraged to write for regular type media such as MAIB, or other.
I would very much appreciate his record (and any other Bolgerverse)
entering into the public domain with easy access in a unified/linked
way for my own and history's sake. So for those in this group who
are better qualified in these public knowledge record/medium
matters, what do you think?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BARBARA SPOERING" <b.spoering@w...>
wrote:
> Sorry Peter - I don't have "Different Boats" But in PB's "BoatsWith An Open Mind" Although he doesn't mention any type of
construction I see stringers in all the corners & in between. The
same as shown on Jesse Cooper and AS-29 so i'm really assuming ply
construction is available.
> Actually I'd prefer Jesse Cooper but size and cost have to stopsomewhere. When I hear that the cost of Super Brick is the same as
As-29 I have my doubts, Perhaps a first class interion with all
it's associated equipment would seriously add to costs but a decent
Do-It-Yourselfer should have no trouble keeping costs in line.
> Good hearing from you - how is Windermere coming and where doyou post the latest pics. All I can ever find are the original 4.
> Aoha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdaleand
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: Wolf Trap #366 Photos
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> > Although for plywood construction he built two in aluminium.
>
> The writeup in Different Boats did not mention ply construction,
> said that it was designed for Pollard to build in aluminium. Areyou
> sure that there a construction plan for ply?horses
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> Peter
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After looking once again (and having looked countless times before)
at four ((out of how many?) pages of plans reproduced in "Different
Boats" and re-reading the write-up, I can confirm that it was
designed from scratch for aluminum construction. Some of the welded
construction details are clearly shown.
Bolger explains that the conic projection of the bottom is done
differently from the usual method, but similar to the way it was
done in Crystal, a plywood boat. There is a table of offsets, but no
drawings of panel shapes.
I don't think there would be any trouble building in plywood,
provided correct scantlings were chosen and the engineering problems
worked out e.g. the design of the centreboard case. But it seems
unlikely that the designer would be able to assist much beyond,
possibly, advising on scantlings. There is a possibility, I guess,
that the designer might have produced alternative plans for plywood;
there's one sure way to find out -- ask him.
Because the plywood would be thicker than the aluminum plate it
replaces and would need to be backed by frames or stringers, there
would be some loss of useable interior volume.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
at four ((out of how many?) pages of plans reproduced in "Different
Boats" and re-reading the write-up, I can confirm that it was
designed from scratch for aluminum construction. Some of the welded
construction details are clearly shown.
Bolger explains that the conic projection of the bottom is done
differently from the usual method, but similar to the way it was
done in Crystal, a plywood boat. There is a table of offsets, but no
drawings of panel shapes.
I don't think there would be any trouble building in plywood,
provided correct scantlings were chosen and the engineering problems
worked out e.g. the design of the centreboard case. But it seems
unlikely that the designer would be able to assist much beyond,
possibly, advising on scantlings. There is a possibility, I guess,
that the designer might have produced alternative plans for plywood;
there's one sure way to find out -- ask him.
Because the plywood would be thicker than the aluminum plate it
replaces and would need to be backed by frames or stringers, there
would be some loss of useable interior volume.
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@y...>
wrote:
> > Although for plywood construction he built two in aluminium.and
> The writeup in Different Boats did not mention ply construction,
> said that it was designed for Pollard to build in aluminium. Are
>you sure that there a construction plan for ply?
Sorry Peter - I don't have "Different Boats" But in PB's "Boats With An Open Mind" Although he doesn't mention any type of construction I see stringers in all the corners & in between. The same as shown on Jesse Cooper and AS-29 so i'm really assuming ply construction is available.
Actually I'd prefer Jesse Cooper but size and cost have to stop somewhere. When I hear that the cost of Super Brick is the same as As-29 I have my doubts, Perhaps a first class interion with all it's associated equipment would seriously add to costs but a decent Do-It-Yourselfer should have no trouble keeping costs in line.
Good hearing from you - how is Windermere coming and where do you post the latest pics. All I can ever find are the original 4.
Aoha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
Actually I'd prefer Jesse Cooper but size and cost have to stop somewhere. When I hear that the cost of Super Brick is the same as As-29 I have my doubts, Perhaps a first class interion with all it's associated equipment would seriously add to costs but a decent Do-It-Yourselfer should have no trouble keeping costs in line.
Good hearing from you - how is Windermere coming and where do you post the latest pics. All I can ever find are the original 4.
Aoha - Jack Spoering - Ft Lauderdale
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From: pvanderwaart
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Wolf Trap #366 Photos
> Although for plywood construction he built two in aluminium.
The writeup in Different Boats did not mention ply construction, and
said that it was designed for Pollard to build in aluminium. Are you
sure that there a construction plan for ply?
Peter
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> Although for plywood construction he built two in aluminium.The writeup in Different Boats did not mention ply construction, and
said that it was designed for Pollard to build in aluminium. Are you
sure that there a construction plan for ply?
Peter
Doug Pollard has recently posted some photos of Wolf Trap over on
smallsailboats2 group:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/smallsailboats2/lst
That the photos are of the stern relates to a current thread at
smallsailboats. Hopefully Doug may post more.
IIRC Doug has written he commissioned the Wolf Trap design from Bolger
(his name appears in the Different Boats scan at bolger3 files
http://tinyurl.com/8l59f).
Although for plywood construction he built two in aluminium. He later
changed the cat yawl rig to schooner. He cruised the Carribean etc.
for some time until the boat got too large (?IIRC).
Graeme
smallsailboats2 group:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/smallsailboats2/lst
That the photos are of the stern relates to a current thread at
smallsailboats. Hopefully Doug may post more.
IIRC Doug has written he commissioned the Wolf Trap design from Bolger
(his name appears in the Different Boats scan at bolger3 files
http://tinyurl.com/8l59f).
Although for plywood construction he built two in aluminium. He later
changed the cat yawl rig to schooner. He cruised the Carribean etc.
for some time until the boat got too large (?IIRC).
Graeme