Re: [bolger] Re: His and Her Schooner photos uploaded to Bolger3
> Does anyone know of the 23Ft scooner?Probably, the 23'6" _Light Schooner_.
Hi all
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Re: Bolger H&H schooners
Bruce wrote:
In BWAOM the person that requested the His and Hers design from PB mentions that he had built PB's 23ft "scooner" and liked it a lot.
Does anyone know of the 23Ft scooner?
Kim
Brisbane, Australia
I have been a member of the group for a while and have thoroughly enjoyed the banter and have learned more than a thing or two about boats. Bolger boats in particular. I thank you all.
Re: Bolger H&H schooners
Bruce wrote:
> Wow, this is exciting: two boats at the same club to chase each otherIsn't the Single Handed Schooner also know as the His and Her Schooner?
> around? Heck, we could even match race, or start a one-design fleet....
In BWAOM the person that requested the His and Hers design from PB mentions that he had built PB's 23ft "scooner" and liked it a lot.
Does anyone know of the 23Ft scooner?
Kim
Brisbane, Australia
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From: Bruce Hallman
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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: His and Her Schooner photos uploaded to Bolger3
> Wow, this is exciting: two boats at the same club to chase each other
> around? Heck, we could even match race, or start a one-design fleet....
Isn't the Single Handed Schooner also know as the His and Her Schooner,
and in Bolger's essay he imagined sailing them in ballet-like synchroniztion
as a pleasant but challenging alternative to racing.
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
avoiding the squabble that might ensue in the wake of the wife pulling
a horizon job on the husband. I'd rather have the racing fleet.
Note that PCB also waxes enthusiastic on the subject of schooner
racing in several other spots....
-- Sue --
(who built "Hers" as a trainer for another class of racing schooner)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> > Wow, this is exciting: two boats at the same club to chase eachThat was for a married couple, to "preserve domestic harmony" by
> > other around? Heck, we could even match race, or start a one-
> > design fleet....
>
> Isn't the Single Handed Schooner also know as the His and Her
> Schooner, and in Bolger's essay he imagined sailing them in
> ballet-like synchroniztion as a pleasant but challenging alternative
> to racing.
avoiding the squabble that might ensue in the wake of the wife pulling
a horizon job on the husband. I'd rather have the racing fleet.
Note that PCB also waxes enthusiastic on the subject of schooner
racing in several other spots....
-- Sue --
(who built "Hers" as a trainer for another class of racing schooner)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> Wow, this is exciting: two boats at the same club to chase each otherIsn't the Single Handed Schooner also know as the His and Her Schooner,
> around? Heck, we could even match race, or start a one-design fleet....
and in Bolger's essay he imagined sailing them in ballet-like synchroniztion
as a pleasant but challenging alternative to racing.
(Bravely running the risk of being kicked off Bolger for being off
topic) - Nugget hops. High alpha acid, good for bittering.
Nobody actually needs a schooner. On the other hand everyone should
have one. Gives the phrase "personal watercraft" a whole new perspective.
Mike
topic) - Nugget hops. High alpha acid, good for bittering.
Nobody actually needs a schooner. On the other hand everyone should
have one. Gives the phrase "personal watercraft" a whole new perspective.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
> And Mike; 'hops' doesn't cut it - we need to know what varieties :)
>
> Derek [who absolutely does not need a schooner, but...]
It's probably been a while since there were schooner races on Lake
Ontario.
Regarding homebrewing - guilty as charged. An essential companion to
home-boat-building I guess.
Mike
Ontario.
Regarding homebrewing - guilty as charged. An essential companion to
home-boat-building I guess.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "efemiket" <efemike@r...> wrote:
> >
> > In general the SHS is a very cool boat (as so many Bolger designs
> > are). I went and got the plans from HH Payson, and once I pick the
> > hops that have taken over my back yard, it'll be time to go find
> > some plywood.
>
> Wow, this is exciting: two boats at the same club to chase each other
> around? Heck, we could even match race, or start a one-design fleet....
>
> Hops? Do you home brew? (Or have we had this conversation already?)
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
Actually in Ontario you don't need to register the boat as long as the
motor is less than 10 horsepower. I think you do supposedly need a
'hull identification number' though. See
http://www.tc.gc.ca/BoatingSafety/sbg-gsn/markings.htm
Regardless, I agree oars are the way to go.
Mike
motor is less than 10 horsepower. I think you do supposedly need a
'hull identification number' though. See
http://www.tc.gc.ca/BoatingSafety/sbg-gsn/markings.htm
Regardless, I agree oars are the way to go.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
>
> I'm probably going to stick with oars as auxiliary power, though -- I
> don't need to pay for boat registration if I don't have an engine.
> Stowing the trolling motor might also be an issue, but you could
> probably put it in the main hold, or up under the foredeck.
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
> What's your 'becalmed' plan? With the boat '3D' can you see a likelyYes, gel cells would fit nicely in the back of the locker between
> place to put a gel-cell to run a wee trolling motor?
bulkheads D and E, alongside the rudder trunk. There's a wedge-shaped
space back there that's good for long skinny objects, but otherwise
isn't used much. And it would be easy to add a board to the aft edge
of the aft cockpit coaming that extended out over the rail as a motor
mount.
I'm probably going to stick with oars as auxiliary power, though -- I
don't need to pay for boat registration if I don't have an engine.
Stowing the trolling motor might also be an issue, but you could
probably put it in the main hold, or up under the foredeck.
Also, the boat has excellent ghosting capability. I've only ever lost
steerage way once, and at that point, there was no hint of wind
whatever. Faint puffs of a knot or two are enough to keep the boat
moving.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Hi Susan
What's your 'becalmed' plan? With the boat '3D' can you see a likely place
to put a gel-cell to run a wee trolling motor?
And Mike; 'hops' doesn't cut it - we need to know what varieties :)
Derek [who absolutely does not need a schooner, but...]
What's your 'becalmed' plan? With the boat '3D' can you see a likely place
to put a gel-cell to run a wee trolling motor?
And Mike; 'hops' doesn't cut it - we need to know what varieties :)
Derek [who absolutely does not need a schooner, but...]
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "efemiket" <efemike@r...> wrote:
around? Heck, we could even match race, or start a one-design fleet....
Hops? Do you home brew? (Or have we had this conversation already?)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>Wow, this is exciting: two boats at the same club to chase each other
> In general the SHS is a very cool boat (as so many Bolger designs
> are). I went and got the plans from HH Payson, and once I pick the
> hops that have taken over my back yard, it'll be time to go find
> some plywood.
around? Heck, we could even match race, or start a one-design fleet....
Hops? Do you home brew? (Or have we had this conversation already?)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Davis" <futabachan@y...> wrote:
[snip]
I was that passenger (hi Sue). I sat in the fwd cockpit in a state of
total rapture for an hour or two. What a blast! (I kept looking up at
the sails, thinking 'holy crap, it's a schooner, I must be dreaming!').
Anyhow like Sue says, a nice chop due to the southerly wind that piles
the waves up against the land in Humber Bay. There was occasional
light spray, and just one wave that was a bit more than that. Since
you sit low down on the bottom you are very well protected, far more
so than you are high up in the cockpit of a bigger boat. Also there is
more to hang on to than there generally is in a conventional cockpit
so you don't get thrown around much.
The weighted keel/daggerboard gives you a far more solid feeling than
you get in a dinghy. In spite of the chop and the breeze the boat (and
Sue) handled everything very nicely, especially to weather.
In general the SHS is a very cool boat (as so many Bolger designs
are). I went and got the plans from HH Payson, and once I pick the
hops that have taken over my back yard, it'll be time to go find some
plywood.
Thanks for a great sail, Sue!
Mike
>
> Wednesday evening, I had a passenger out for a spin around Humber Bay,
> and there was an incredible amount of very confused chop. We took one
> wave over the bow that let a gallon or two of water into the forward
> cockpit (and put obtaining a cover for up forward much higher on my
> priority list), but stayed dry otherwise, except for a drop or two of
> spray now and again. The winds were a high force 4 to a low force 5.
>
> All in all, she's a very dry boat. If I get a chance to finish
> installing the bolting system for the daggerboard this weekend, I
> might try a knockdown drill to see how she handles it.
>
> --
> Susan Davis <futabachan@y...>
That's not fear. That's a state of being "incredibly alert."
Roger
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----- Original Message -----
From: "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...>
>> As it is, she gets pretty squirrely on runs and deep
>> reaches in heavy air.
>
> I love that word 'squirrely.' It makes excitement and fear sound so
> cosy and quaint.
> As it is, she gets pretty squirrely on runs and deepI love that word 'squirrely.' It makes excitement and fear sound so
> reaches in heavy air.
cosy and quaint.
On Sep 9, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Susan Davis wrote:
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> > And how fast will this boat scoot downwind with full sail in 30 ktsHappiness is your schooner planing while running wing and wing!
> of
> > wind?
>
> I'd be hesitant to try it until I get a chance to rig boom vangs on
> both booms. As it is, she gets pretty squirrely on runs and deep
> reaches in heavy air.
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Sue
Do you have a breakdown on costs for your Schooner.
HJ
Do you have a breakdown on costs for your Schooner.
HJ
> And how fast will this boat scoot downwind with full sail in 30 kts ofI'd be hesitant to try it until I get a chance to rig boom vangs on
> wind?
both booms. As it is, she gets pretty squirrely on runs and deep
reaches in heavy air.
> She looks splendid!Well, she looks better now that I've had a chance to scrub the filth
off her decks that appears in the pictures. I'm hoping to get a
chance to cover up those epoxy stains with another coat of Interdeck
tonight before she has her big public debut tomorrow....
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> close to 30 knotsAnd how fast will this boat scoot downwind with full sail in 30 kts of
> with full sail still set.
wind?
In your (very special and well-deserved) place (as a schooner
captain), I would be working on some way to rig the jib so it could be
struck from the main hatch.
She looks splendid!
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@h...> wrote:
that abruptly built to close to 30 knots due to the narrow channel,
with full sail still set. Several times, it felt like I was starting
to get knocked down, and I heeled past the point that would have been
unrecoverable on an unballasted racing dinghy, but it all happened so
slowly that I had plenty of time to put the helm down and pinch high
enough to come back to an even keel. I buried the leeward rail, but
didn't ship any water.
(Going forward to take my jib in in the middle of a crowded harbour
was a bit of an adventure.)
Wednesday evening, I had a passenger out for a spin around Humber Bay,
and there was an incredible amount of very confused chop. We took one
wave over the bow that let a gallon or two of water into the forward
cockpit (and put obtaining a cover for up forward much higher on my
priority list), but stayed dry otherwise, except for a drop or two of
spray now and again. The winds were a high force 4 to a low force 5.
All in all, she's a very dry boat. If I get a chance to finish
installing the bolting system for the daggerboard this weekend, I
might try a knockdown drill to see how she handles it.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>Coming back in through the Inner Harbour on Saturday, I ran into wind
> I am curious, with the high cockpit combings, whether you
> can imagine that the boat would be tender to the point that
> water washes up on the deck? Or, can you imagine getting
> knocked down?
that abruptly built to close to 30 knots due to the narrow channel,
with full sail still set. Several times, it felt like I was starting
to get knocked down, and I heeled past the point that would have been
unrecoverable on an unballasted racing dinghy, but it all happened so
slowly that I had plenty of time to put the helm down and pinch high
enough to come back to an even keel. I buried the leeward rail, but
didn't ship any water.
(Going forward to take my jib in in the middle of a crowded harbour
was a bit of an adventure.)
Wednesday evening, I had a passenger out for a spin around Humber Bay,
and there was an incredible amount of very confused chop. We took one
wave over the bow that let a gallon or two of water into the forward
cockpit (and put obtaining a cover for up forward much higher on my
priority list), but stayed dry otherwise, except for a drop or two of
spray now and again. The winds were a high force 4 to a low force 5.
All in all, she's a very dry boat. If I get a chance to finish
installing the bolting system for the daggerboard this weekend, I
might try a knockdown drill to see how she handles it.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> I uploaded a few photos from last weekend to Bolger3.http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger3/lst?.dir=/His+and+Her+Schooner&.src=gr&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger3/lst%3f%26.dir=/His%2band%2bHer%2bSchooner
http://tinyurl.com/86qq4
Cool looking boat, much bigger than it seems on paper.
I am curious, with the high cockpit combings, whether you
can imagine that the boat would be tender to the point that
water washes up on the deck? Or, can you imagine getting
knocked down?
I uploaded a few photos from last weekend to Bolger3. All of them
were taken on board; apparently, there are extant photos taken of the
boat from other vessels, but I haven't received copies yet.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
were taken on board; apparently, there are extant photos taken of the
boat from other vessels, but I haven't received copies yet.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>