Re: Pilothouse issue
I have the pilothouse version. I usually sail with the top hatches
off, and have no problem seeing the sail. I have considered making
the back roof hatch transparrent, but haven't bothered yet.
I've sailed it with ice on the lake, and in the rain. It's nice to
get out of the weather, even if you are just sitting under the back,
hard dodger, part of the pilothouse.
off, and have no problem seeing the sail. I have considered making
the back roof hatch transparrent, but haven't bothered yet.
I've sailed it with ice on the lake, and in the rain. It's nice to
get out of the weather, even if you are just sitting under the back,
hard dodger, part of the pilothouse.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "paulthober" <paulthober@y...> wrote:
> Both of these strategies, standing outside at the tiller or having
> hatches open in the pilothouse roof, negate most of the benefit of
> having the pilothouse in the first place. Indeed, standing outside
at
> the helm for 8 or 10 hours makes it worse.
>
> "Build a skylight in the pilothouse overhead"* seems to make the
most
> sense, maybe in conjunction with some kind of adjustable shading
would
> do the trick.
>
> Does anyone else have plans for a pilothouse version of one of Mr.
> Bolger's boats that offers a bit of detail or is there an
explanation
> that anyone knows of in Mr. Bolger's rather prolific writings?
>
> Paul
>
> *Susan Davis, Msg# 46056
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@e...> wrote:
> > With the Cruising Conversion Chebacco one can stand at the tiller
> and look
> > over the shelter top to see the sails. There are also hatches
along
> the
> > centerline.
> >
> > One can't sail efficiently without seeing the sails. Even
running,
> you need
> > to see the sail lift before the boom comes crashing across in an
> > uncontrolled jibe.
> >
> > I haven't tried a wind vane autopilot, but it seems to use an
analog
> of the
> > sail to sense relative wind and adjust the helm. That should work
> for
> > relaxed mode sailing.
> >
> > Roger
> > derbyrm@N...
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "paulthober" <paulthober@y...>
> >
> >
> > > My next "big" boat that I am going to build, a Seabird '86 or a
> > > Chebacco, will probably be a pilothouse version. I like the idea
> of
> > > being protected from sun and rain as I sail. However, upon
> reflection
> > > I realize I that while sailing I often glance at the sail for
> > > reassurance that everything is copacetic. With a roof over my
> head I
> > > will obviously not be able to do this. Is this a problem?
> > >
> > > I might add that I my sailing knowledge is entirely from "book
> > > learnin'" and trial and error (with considerable emphasis on the
> error
> > > part0.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Does anyone else have plans for a pilothouse version of one of Mr.Do you have a copy of BWAOM? Take a look at the Breakdown Schooner on
> Bolger's boats that offers a bit of detail or is there an
> explanation that anyone knows of in Mr. Bolger's rather prolific
> writings?
page 320; there's a "deck light" in the roof of the pilothouse,
directly above the helm station. I do have a copy of the plans
floating around somewhere in this mess I call an office; if I can dig
them up, I'll see if there's any more detail than that.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> Does anyone else have plans for a pilothouse version of one of Mr.My Micro Navigator has a pilothouse with skylights,
> Bolger's boats that offers a bit of detail or is there an explanation
> that anyone knows of in Mr. Bolger's rather prolific writings?
>
> Paul
and the plans don't show a lot of detail, other than
the locations. Which is in positions to allow good
sightlines from the locations where you naturally
sit while holding the tiller on each tack. I find that
controlling the sail from inside the cabin is plenty
easy using skylights.
> My question is: Does anyone have experience sailing without having theDesign #459 had large lexan windows on the cabin sides and top and
> sail(s) in view and how do you do it?
>
> Paul
linkages to c\connect an inside tiller to the rudder so the boat could
be steered from inside the main cabin. There was one cabin top window
in each side, more than 5 feet long. The inside tiller was never fully
installed (it did run to the inside autopilot location under the
cockpit). The cabin top windows afforded an excellend view of sails
when below, but unfortunately in the Gulf of Mexico summer they also
turned the cabin into a greenhouse. What's different from your
situation was the boat was on autopilot anytime I was in the cabin, so
I wasn't hands on, actively sailing it, but it was nice to see the set
of the sail and it would instantly be seen if it needed adjusting.
Eventually the big windows were replaced with 8-inch squares, one on
each side, and those worked almost as well. I also made Sunbrella
covers with snaps that could be installed over the windows for shade.
The new, higher and longer cabin installed a few years ago does not
have a cabin top window, and I can usually tell by feel how the boat is
doing. But I do have plans to install another 8 inch square viewing
window, probably in the large centerline hatch the new cabin has.
If the Seabird 86 or the Chewbacco raised raised cabin version have a
centerline hatch, what I'd do is make the hatch top clear lexan, and a
Sunbrella or marine vinyl cover when shade is wanted.
Gary Blankenship
Both of these strategies, standing outside at the tiller or having
hatches open in the pilothouse roof, negate most of the benefit of
having the pilothouse in the first place. Indeed, standing outside at
the helm for 8 or 10 hours makes it worse.
"Build a skylight in the pilothouse overhead"* seems to make the most
sense, maybe in conjunction with some kind of adjustable shading would
do the trick.
Does anyone else have plans for a pilothouse version of one of Mr.
Bolger's boats that offers a bit of detail or is there an explanation
that anyone knows of in Mr. Bolger's rather prolific writings?
Paul
*Susan Davis, Msg# 46056
hatches open in the pilothouse roof, negate most of the benefit of
having the pilothouse in the first place. Indeed, standing outside at
the helm for 8 or 10 hours makes it worse.
"Build a skylight in the pilothouse overhead"* seems to make the most
sense, maybe in conjunction with some kind of adjustable shading would
do the trick.
Does anyone else have plans for a pilothouse version of one of Mr.
Bolger's boats that offers a bit of detail or is there an explanation
that anyone knows of in Mr. Bolger's rather prolific writings?
Paul
*Susan Davis, Msg# 46056
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Derby" <derbyrm@e...> wrote:
> With the Cruising Conversion Chebacco one can stand at the tiller
and look
> over the shelter top to see the sails. There are also hatches along
the
> centerline.
>
> One can't sail efficiently without seeing the sails. Even running,
you need
> to see the sail lift before the boom comes crashing across in an
> uncontrolled jibe.
>
> I haven't tried a wind vane autopilot, but it seems to use an analog
of the
> sail to sense relative wind and adjust the helm. That should work
for
> relaxed mode sailing.
>
> Roger
> derbyrm@N...
>http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "paulthober" <paulthober@y...>
>
>
> > My next "big" boat that I am going to build, a Seabird '86 or a
> > Chebacco, will probably be a pilothouse version. I like the idea
of
> > being protected from sun and rain as I sail. However, upon
reflection
> > I realize I that while sailing I often glance at the sail for
> > reassurance that everything is copacetic. With a roof over my
head I
> > will obviously not be able to do this. Is this a problem?
> >
> > I might add that I my sailing knowledge is entirely from "book
> > learnin'" and trial and error (with considerable emphasis on the
error
> > part0.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax:
> > (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
With the Cruising Conversion Chebacco one can stand at the tiller and look
over the shelter top to see the sails. There are also hatches along the
centerline.
One can't sail efficiently without seeing the sails. Even running, you need
to see the sail lift before the boom comes crashing across in an
uncontrolled jibe.
I haven't tried a wind vane autopilot, but it seems to use an analog of the
sail to sense relative wind and adjust the helm. That should work for
relaxed mode sailing.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
over the shelter top to see the sails. There are also hatches along the
centerline.
One can't sail efficiently without seeing the sails. Even running, you need
to see the sail lift before the boom comes crashing across in an
uncontrolled jibe.
I haven't tried a wind vane autopilot, but it seems to use an analog of the
sail to sense relative wind and adjust the helm. That should work for
relaxed mode sailing.
Roger
derbyrm@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
----- Original Message -----
From: "paulthober" <paulthober@...>
> My next "big" boat that I am going to build, a Seabird '86 or a
> Chebacco, will probably be a pilothouse version. I like the idea of
> being protected from sun and rain as I sail. However, upon reflection
> I realize I that while sailing I often glance at the sail for
> reassurance that everything is copacetic. With a roof over my head I
> will obviously not be able to do this. Is this a problem?
>
> I might add that I my sailing knowledge is entirely from "book
> learnin'" and trial and error (with considerable emphasis on the error
> part0.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
> (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I'm sure there are many of us here who find it hard to imagine sailing
without being able to see the sails.
At least in smaller boats, the idea is to watch their shape for clues
as to the way the air is flowing over them, particularly when sailing
to windward, so as to maximise what is known as velocity made good or
vmg, as it's usually written. Sometimes telltales (little tufts of
wool or similar) are attached to sails, or there is a small flag on
top of the mast, to assist in this.
An alternative might be to use windvane self-steering gear, or use a
simple tiller-actuating autopilot that can be controlled by a windvane.
without being able to see the sails.
At least in smaller boats, the idea is to watch their shape for clues
as to the way the air is flowing over them, particularly when sailing
to windward, so as to maximise what is known as velocity made good or
vmg, as it's usually written. Sometimes telltales (little tufts of
wool or similar) are attached to sails, or there is a small flag on
top of the mast, to assist in this.
An alternative might be to use windvane self-steering gear, or use a
simple tiller-actuating autopilot that can be controlled by a windvane.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "paulthober" <paulthober@y...> wrote:
> My question is: Does anyone have experience sailing without having
the
> sail(s) in view and how do you do it?
> Build a skylight in the pilothouse overhead, and it won't be. IActually, there is no detail for the pilothouse version of Seabird '86
> suspect that if you look at the plans, you'll find one designed in
> already....
>
> -- Sue --,
included in the plans I purchased, only a somewhat vague cartoon
included. Perhaps this detail was omitted (I would hope inadverantly,
although the sheets are numbered 1 of 9 through 9 of 9, and I have all
9) as was the detail of the Wiley window that was referenced in the
building key.
I thought of a skylight myself, but that at least partially negates
the shading feature.
My question is: Does anyone have experience sailing without having the
sail(s) in view and how do you do it?
Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "paulthober" <paulthober@y...> wrote:
suspect that if you look at the plans, you'll find one designed in
already....
-- Sue --
(also thinking of Sea Bird '86 with pilothouse as a possible
blue-water option some day far in the future after the I60 is in the
water)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
> With a roof over my head IBuild a skylight in the pilothouse overhead, and it won't be. I
> will obviously not be able to [see the sails]. Is this a problem?
suspect that if you look at the plans, you'll find one designed in
already....
-- Sue --
(also thinking of Sea Bird '86 with pilothouse as a possible
blue-water option some day far in the future after the I60 is in the
water)
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
My next "big" boat that I am going to build, a Seabird '86 or a
Chebacco, will probably be a pilothouse version. I like the idea of
being protected from sun and rain as I sail. However, upon reflection
I realize I that while sailing I often glance at the sail for
reassurance that everything is copacetic. With a roof over my head I
will obviously not be able to do this. Is this a problem?
I might add that I my sailing knowledge is entirely from "book
learnin'" and trial and error (with considerable emphasis on the error
part0.
Paul
Chebacco, will probably be a pilothouse version. I like the idea of
being protected from sun and rain as I sail. However, upon reflection
I realize I that while sailing I often glance at the sail for
reassurance that everything is copacetic. With a roof over my head I
will obviously not be able to do this. Is this a problem?
I might add that I my sailing knowledge is entirely from "book
learnin'" and trial and error (with considerable emphasis on the error
part0.
Paul