Re: Ethan Allen in Lake George
From the pictures I've seen it looked like the "glass enclosed"
feature of the boat was disabled. It looked to me like the glass side
panels were folded up against the inside of the roof, leaving the
sides wide open. The gunwales, without the glass panels, didn't look
high enough for a boat carrying 50 people. It doesn't take much
imagination to see that if the passengers shifted to one side the boat
would have listed enough to dunk one of the gunwales.
Obviously, this was not a Bolger design. A Bolger design would have
had enough reserve stability to handle the conditions, including
misplaced passengers.
feature of the boat was disabled. It looked to me like the glass side
panels were folded up against the inside of the roof, leaving the
sides wide open. The gunwales, without the glass panels, didn't look
high enough for a boat carrying 50 people. It doesn't take much
imagination to see that if the passengers shifted to one side the boat
would have listed enough to dunk one of the gunwales.
Obviously, this was not a Bolger design. A Bolger design would have
had enough reserve stability to handle the conditions, including
misplaced passengers.
Without knowing anything except what is on TV, the most likely scenario
is: The a boat wake splashed a good amount of water on one side of the
boat and the passengers on that side moved to the other side. Twenty
people at an average of 150 lb., including gear, would be 3,000 lbs. at
one rail assuming that the people that did not go to that side would
immediately slide or fall towards it! Looking at a picture of the boat
would indicate that it is a lot more tender than a hard chine barge type
of hull.
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:22:54 -0000 "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@...>
writes:
Here are some local websites.
This has dominated our news -
http://www.wnyt.com/
www.timesunion.com
www.npr.org search on "ethan allen"
Latest news this AM was that stability tests conducted on a sister
boat were not good. Large plastic drums filled with water were used
and the tests were stopped early because the boat was starting to tip
dangerously.
A mention was made of having the boat analyzed by naval architects.
Also NTSB is looking for any video or still pictures of the boat and
they are still trying to find all the PFDs. Apparently a few of the
PFDs are missing.
eric
is: The a boat wake splashed a good amount of water on one side of the
boat and the passengers on that side moved to the other side. Twenty
people at an average of 150 lb., including gear, would be 3,000 lbs. at
one rail assuming that the people that did not go to that side would
immediately slide or fall towards it! Looking at a picture of the boat
would indicate that it is a lot more tender than a hard chine barge type
of hull.
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:22:54 -0000 "u23b_2311" <u23b_2311@...>
writes:
Here are some local websites.
This has dominated our news -
http://www.wnyt.com/
www.timesunion.com
www.npr.org search on "ethan allen"
Latest news this AM was that stability tests conducted on a sister
boat were not good. Large plastic drums filled with water were used
and the tests were stopped early because the boat was starting to tip
dangerously.
A mention was made of having the boat analyzed by naval architects.
Also NTSB is looking for any video or still pictures of the boat and
they are still trying to find all the PFDs. Apparently a few of the
PFDs are missing.
eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Crandall" <crandall@k...> wrote:
> We might wish to discuss the capsize and sinking of the Ethan Allen,
> a glass-enclosed tour boat on Lake George, NY.
>
> It apparently was capsized by a wake of a larger tour boat, while
> leaf peeping. At least 21 people died as a result--many were very
> elderly people who could take little action to save themselves, but
> the immediate capsize raises one important Bolger issue:
>
> Isn't a glass-enclosed boat supposed to have extra bouyancy for
> safety? We need to know more, of course, but you can seek out some
> of it online. THere are pictures of the boat in the New York Times
> (free, but you must register), the Times Union of Albany has a
> picture during happier times on the its front page, etc.
>
> More info: Wind conditions--slight breeze, water was calm. Boat
was
> in a smaller, protected bay.
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Here are some local websites.
This has dominated our news -
http://www.wnyt.com/
www.timesunion.com
www.npr.org search on "ethan allen"
Latest news this AM was that stability tests conducted on a sister
boat were not good. Large plastic drums filled with water were used
and the tests were stopped early because the boat was starting to tip
dangerously.
A mention was made of having the boat analyzed by naval architects.
Also NTSB is looking for any video or still pictures of the boat and
they are still trying to find all the PFDs. Apparently a few of the
PFDs are missing.
eric
This has dominated our news -
http://www.wnyt.com/
www.timesunion.com
www.npr.org search on "ethan allen"
Latest news this AM was that stability tests conducted on a sister
boat were not good. Large plastic drums filled with water were used
and the tests were stopped early because the boat was starting to tip
dangerously.
A mention was made of having the boat analyzed by naval architects.
Also NTSB is looking for any video or still pictures of the boat and
they are still trying to find all the PFDs. Apparently a few of the
PFDs are missing.
eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Crandall" <crandall@k...> wrote:
> We might wish to discuss the capsize and sinking of the Ethan Allen,
> a glass-enclosed tour boat on Lake George, NY.
>
> It apparently was capsized by a wake of a larger tour boat, while
> leaf peeping. At least 21 people died as a result--many were very
> elderly people who could take little action to save themselves, but
> the immediate capsize raises one important Bolger issue:
>
> Isn't a glass-enclosed boat supposed to have extra bouyancy for
> safety? We need to know more, of course, but you can seek out some
> of it online. THere are pictures of the boat in the New York Times
> (free, but you must register), the Times Union of Albany has a
> picture during happier times on the its front page, etc.
>
> More info: Wind conditions--slight breeze, water was calm. Boat
was
> in a smaller, protected bay.
Here are some local websites.
This has dominated our news -
http://www.wnyt.com/
www.timesunion.com
www.npr.org search on "ethan allen"
Latest news this AM was that stability tests conducted on a sister
boat were not good. Large plastic drums filled with water were used
and the tests were stopped early because the boat was starting to tip
dangerously.
A mention was made of having the boat analyzed by naval architects.
Also NTSB is looking for any video or still pictures of the boat and
they are still trying to find all the PFDs. Apparently a few of the
PFDs are missing.
eric
This has dominated our news -
http://www.wnyt.com/
www.timesunion.com
www.npr.org search on "ethan allen"
Latest news this AM was that stability tests conducted on a sister
boat were not good. Large plastic drums filled with water were used
and the tests were stopped early because the boat was starting to tip
dangerously.
A mention was made of having the boat analyzed by naval architects.
Also NTSB is looking for any video or still pictures of the boat and
they are still trying to find all the PFDs. Apparently a few of the
PFDs are missing.
eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Crandall" <crandall@k...> wrote:
> We might wish to discuss the capsize and sinking of the Ethan Allen,
> a glass-enclosed tour boat on Lake George, NY.
>
> It apparently was capsized by a wake of a larger tour boat, while
> leaf peeping. At least 21 people died as a result--many were very
> elderly people who could take little action to save themselves, but
> the immediate capsize raises one important Bolger issue:
>
> Isn't a glass-enclosed boat supposed to have extra bouyancy for
> safety? We need to know more, of course, but you can seek out some
> of it online. THere are pictures of the boat in the New York Times
> (free, but you must register), the Times Union of Albany has a
> picture during happier times on the its front page, etc.
>
> More info: Wind conditions--slight breeze, water was calm. Boat
was
> in a smaller, protected bay.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Crandall" <crandall@k...> wrote:
learned to our boats.
> We might wish to discuss the capsize and sinking of the Ethan Allen,Good idea - we all need to know what went wrong and apply the facts
> a glass-enclosed tour boat on Lake George, NY.
>
> It apparently was capsized by a wake of a larger tour boat, while
> leaf peeping. At least 21 people died as a result--many were very
> elderly people who could take little action to save themselves, but
> the immediate capsize raises one important Bolger issue:
>
> Isn't a glass-enclosed boat supposed to have extra bouyancy for
> safety? We need to know more, of course, but you can seek out some
> of it online. THere are pictures of the boat in the New York Times
> (free, but you must register), the Times Union of Albany has a
> picture during happier times on the its front page, etc.
>
> More info: Wind conditions--slight breeze, water was calm. Boat was
> in a smaller, protected bay.
learned to our boats.
We might wish to discuss the capsize and sinking of the Ethan Allen,
a glass-enclosed tour boat on Lake George, NY.
It apparently was capsized by a wake of a larger tour boat, while
leaf peeping. At least 21 people died as a result--many were very
elderly people who could take little action to save themselves, but
the immediate capsize raises one important Bolger issue:
Isn't a glass-enclosed boat supposed to have extra bouyancy for
safety? We need to know more, of course, but you can seek out some
of it online. THere are pictures of the boat in the New York Times
(free, but you must register), the Times Union of Albany has a
picture during happier times on the its front page, etc.
More info: Wind conditions--slight breeze, water was calm. Boat was
in a smaller, protected bay.
a glass-enclosed tour boat on Lake George, NY.
It apparently was capsized by a wake of a larger tour boat, while
leaf peeping. At least 21 people died as a result--many were very
elderly people who could take little action to save themselves, but
the immediate capsize raises one important Bolger issue:
Isn't a glass-enclosed boat supposed to have extra bouyancy for
safety? We need to know more, of course, but you can seek out some
of it online. THere are pictures of the boat in the New York Times
(free, but you must register), the Times Union of Albany has a
picture during happier times on the its front page, etc.
More info: Wind conditions--slight breeze, water was calm. Boat was
in a smaller, protected bay.