Re: WINDERMERE up-date
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lefebvre" <paul@w...> wrote:
it's looking real good, Peter! Man, you're flying on that project.
> Somehow in dreamland I crossed paths with you in
> Windermere, and was admiring the shape of her, and that nifty,
uniquely
> Bolger hull...
>
> oh well, back to work! I'm still crawling along, but making
progress
on
> micro and enjoying myself immensely.
>
> Paul Lefebvre
Thanks Paul! It is nice to hear you think "I'm flying on that
project"
as there are times when I surely wish I was.With a boat this size,it
is amazing how many fun things there are to do.This amazement,no
doubt,gets compounded more so if you are even half way obsessional
comme moi :-)
Nevertheless,I too am enjoying myself immensely with the whole
process
and dream ever more vivid dreams of her underway.
Perhaps our futures will one day find us anchored together in some
small deep water cove while nature whips fury all around us.Safely
and
warmly ensconed within the almost palatial salon on board
Windermere,we may further amuse ourselves with deep explorations of
some foreboding rich red ports,alluring tawnies and playful whites
while we grow numb-in-the-bum since the woman-folk will keep us
happily plied with goodies from the galley(now I'm really dreaming!!)
With winter coming on like the creeping crud, we'll soon be
seperating the men from the real crazies in winter wonderland :-)
All the best to you and keep at it....shan't be much longer now!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,who proudly counts himself among the crazies,from
along the shores of the ever-flowing,never fresh
St.lawrence..........
with all this talk about expanding/exploding foam, nobody has yet bothered
to say it's looking real good, Peter! Man, you're flying on that project.
I actually had a dream about your boat the other night... and mine. My micro
was actually done, so I knew I was dreaming - it was actually old and the
paint was peeling in places, it had put lots of miles under its keel and had
a few stories to tell. Somehow in dreamland I crossed paths with you in
Windermere, and was admiring the shape of her, and that nifty, uniquely
Bolger hull...
oh well, back to work! I'm still crawling along, but making progress on
micro and enjoying myself immensely.
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:15 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: WINDERMERE up-date
effect on rigid foam in an MAIB article, I don't recall
which one, but he has written more than one about
Jon's boats.
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to say it's looking real good, Peter! Man, you're flying on that project.
I actually had a dream about your boat the other night... and mine. My micro
was actually done, so I knew I was dreaming - it was actually old and the
paint was peeling in places, it had put lots of miles under its keel and had
a few stories to tell. Somehow in dreamland I crossed paths with you in
Windermere, and was admiring the shape of her, and that nifty, uniquely
Bolger hull...
oh well, back to work! I'm still crawling along, but making progress on
micro and enjoying myself immensely.
Paul Lefebvre
-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:15 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: WINDERMERE up-date
>.A query to PCB&F's regarding your elevationI recall that Bolger has already mentioned the elevation
effect on rigid foam in an MAIB article, I don't recall
which one, but he has written more than one about
Jon's boats.
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Hi Peter,
high, and I'd like you to spread that story around back east, in
order to keep fewer people from moving up here and crowding our small
lakes ;) Actually, I'd love to see your boat on the lake I sail at
anytime!
haven't seen the construction drawings yet, I don't know if the
sandwich is structural or not.
send you a sample of both the 1" and 2" foam. In the meantime, I'll
fax PCB&F and see what they think.
Thanks for your help,
Jon Kolb
> It is an interesting observation you have made regardingto
> atmospheric pressure and your foam thickness.Could I expect my boat
> expand or explode if I tow it up to your place ?Yes, almost certainly your boat will explode if you bring it up this
high, and I'd like you to spread that story around back east, in
order to keep fewer people from moving up here and crowding our small
lakes ;) Actually, I'd love to see your boat on the lake I sail at
anytime!
> On the other hand,if the inner sheathing you intend on yourlive-a-
> board is NOT glued to the foam which IS glued to the hullsides,then
> any shrinking or expanding of the foam,small as this may be,shouldI thought about that, and my concern may be misplaced, but since I
> have no effect on your sole,soul or any other bits :-)
haven't seen the construction drawings yet, I don't know if the
sandwich is structural or not.
> Send foam if you wish and I'll be glad to record any staticLet's do both. If you'll send me your mailing address off-line, I'll
> measurements for you.A query to PCB&F's regarding your elevation
> concerns may prove most illuminating for us all.
send you a sample of both the 1" and 2" foam. In the meantime, I'll
fax PCB&F and see what they think.
Thanks for your help,
Jon Kolb
Hi Bruce,
issue. I don't save every copy of MAIB, so if someone does find the
mention, perhaps they could summarize it here.
Jon Kolb
> I recall that Bolger has already mentioned the elevationI'd be interested to read that article, if anybody can remember the
> effect on rigid foam in an MAIB article, I don't recall
> which one, but he has written more than one about
> Jon's boats.
issue. I don't save every copy of MAIB, so if someone does find the
mention, perhaps they could summarize it here.
Jon Kolb
>.A query to PCB&F's regarding your elevationI recall that Bolger has already mentioned the elevation
effect on rigid foam in an MAIB article, I don't recall
which one, but he has written more than one about
Jon's boats.
For those not familiar with the characteristics of the two common
Styrofoam types. The blue foam mentioned is extruded and "unicellular"
which means that each little internal bubble is sealed to air and water.
The light bead board that is common in packaging and such is much more
open to the intrusion of air and water and is much more "permeable"
meaning that it will let in a lot more water. I found the speculation
about expansion interesting but I think you would have to drive very fast
for your boat to blow up. Be sure to tell us if that happens. I can see
it on the front page "CARELESS BOATER EXPLODES BOAT".
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:50:04 -0000 "Peter Lenihan"
<peterlenihan@...> writes:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
You must tell me what thickness
My 2" Blue Styrofoam measures exactly 2 1/32" thick. No big deal
really since the pine framing/core stock is harder then the foam which
ended up sitting higher still due to the thickness of the epoxy"glue
line".Sanding and fairing it down to the pine stock was light work
with sand paper backed boards.
It is an interesting observation you have made regarding
atmospheric pressure and your foam thickness.Could I expect my boat to
expand or explode if I tow it up to your place ?
On the other hand,if the inner sheathing you intend on your live-a-
board is NOT glued to the foam which IS glued to the hull sides,then
any shrinking or expanding of the foam,small as this may be,should
have no effect on your sole,soul or any other bits :-)
Send foam if you wish and I'll be glad to record any static
measurements for you.A query to PCB&F's regarding your elevation
concerns may prove most illuminating for us all.
Success with your Super Brick and patience on the completion of
your live-a-board plans.I'm sure they will be worth the wait!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,vertically challenged at a mere 300 +/- feet above sea
level but feeling the pressure nevertheless :-)
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Styrofoam types. The blue foam mentioned is extruded and "unicellular"
which means that each little internal bubble is sealed to air and water.
The light bead board that is common in packaging and such is much more
open to the intrusion of air and water and is much more "permeable"
meaning that it will let in a lot more water. I found the speculation
about expansion interesting but I think you would have to drive very fast
for your boat to blow up. Be sure to tell us if that happens. I can see
it on the front page "CARELESS BOATER EXPLODES BOAT".
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:50:04 -0000 "Peter Lenihan"
<peterlenihan@...> writes:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
You must tell me what thickness
> the foam actually measured compared to the advertised thickness.Hi Jon,
> slightly oversize like this, I'll feel better, but what I've been
> suspecting is that the elevation of my shop at nearly 8800' is the
> real culprit, and that the foam is expanding slightly due to the
> lower atmospheric pressure.
>
> If the foam decides to revert to its nominal thickness when the boat
> gets to sea level, there might be problems, especially with the
> sole.
My 2" Blue Styrofoam measures exactly 2 1/32" thick. No big deal
really since the pine framing/core stock is harder then the foam which
ended up sitting higher still due to the thickness of the epoxy"glue
line".Sanding and fairing it down to the pine stock was light work
with sand paper backed boards.
It is an interesting observation you have made regarding
atmospheric pressure and your foam thickness.Could I expect my boat to
expand or explode if I tow it up to your place ?
On the other hand,if the inner sheathing you intend on your live-a-
board is NOT glued to the foam which IS glued to the hull sides,then
any shrinking or expanding of the foam,small as this may be,should
have no effect on your sole,soul or any other bits :-)
Send foam if you wish and I'll be glad to record any static
measurements for you.A query to PCB&F's regarding your elevation
concerns may prove most illuminating for us all.
Success with your Super Brick and patience on the completion of
your live-a-board plans.I'm sure they will be worth the wait!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,vertically challenged at a mere 300 +/- feet above sea
level but feeling the pressure nevertheless :-)
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
You must tell me what thickness
My 2" Blue Styrofoam measures exactly 2 1/32" thick. No big deal
really since the pine framing/core stock is harder then the foam which
ended up sitting higher still due to the thickness of the epoxy"glue
line".Sanding and fairing it down to the pine stock was light work
with sand paper backed boards.
It is an interesting observation you have made regarding
atmospheric pressure and your foam thickness.Could I expect my boat to
expand or explode if I tow it up to your place ?
On the other hand,if the inner sheathing you intend on your live-a-
board is NOT glued to the foam which IS glued to the hull sides,then
any shrinking or expanding of the foam,small as this may be,should
have no effect on your sole,soul or any other bits :-)
Send foam if you wish and I'll be glad to record any static
measurements for you.A query to PCB&F's regarding your elevation
concerns may prove most illuminating for us all.
Success with your Super Brick and patience on the completion of
your live-a-board plans.I'm sure they will be worth the wait!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,vertically challenged at a mere 300 +/- feet above sea
level but feeling the pressure nevertheless :-)
<jon@k...> wrote:
You must tell me what thickness
> the foam actually measured compared to the advertised thickness.Hi Jon,
> slightly oversize like this, I'll feel better, but what I've been
> suspecting is that the elevation of my shop at nearly 8800' is the
> real culprit, and that the foam is expanding slightly due to the
> lower atmospheric pressure.
>
> If the foam decides to revert to its nominal thickness when the boat
> gets to sea level, there might be problems, especially with the
> sole.
My 2" Blue Styrofoam measures exactly 2 1/32" thick. No big deal
really since the pine framing/core stock is harder then the foam which
ended up sitting higher still due to the thickness of the epoxy"glue
line".Sanding and fairing it down to the pine stock was light work
with sand paper backed boards.
It is an interesting observation you have made regarding
atmospheric pressure and your foam thickness.Could I expect my boat to
expand or explode if I tow it up to your place ?
On the other hand,if the inner sheathing you intend on your live-a-
board is NOT glued to the foam which IS glued to the hull sides,then
any shrinking or expanding of the foam,small as this may be,should
have no effect on your sole,soul or any other bits :-)
Send foam if you wish and I'll be glad to record any static
measurements for you.A query to PCB&F's regarding your elevation
concerns may prove most illuminating for us all.
Success with your Super Brick and patience on the completion of
your live-a-board plans.I'm sure they will be worth the wait!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,vertically challenged at a mere 300 +/- feet above sea
level but feeling the pressure nevertheless :-)
Hi Peter,
blue foam, indeed.
But wait - did I say "blue foam?" You must tell me what thickness
the foam actually measured compared to the advertised thickness.
While building FastBrick, I discovered that both 1" and 2" nominal
thickness foam was actually 1/8" thicker than advertised. This led
to some shimming and additional building time. If all blue foam is
slightly oversize like this, I'll feel better, but what I've been
suspecting is that the elevation of my shop at nearly 8800' is the
real culprit, and that the foam is expanding slightly due to the
lower atmospheric pressure.
If the foam decides to revert to its nominal thickness when the boat
gets to sea level, there might be problems, especially with the
sole. This would be a big concern for our eventual liveaboard #668
Auriga when I build her up here (plans still some time off, according
to PCB - sigh), since her interior sides and overhead are all to be
sandwiched with the stuff.
Of course, there could simply be manufacturing differences accounting
for the extra thickness. To be sure, would you or somebody else mind
if I sent you a couple of samples of my blue foam, to be measured
after spending some time at sea level, and then report your findings
here?
Jon Kolb,
with everlasting thanks to my wife for buying a satellite radio so I
can hear the Michigan game and build boats at the same time in the
middle of nowhere.
> Have up-loaded some new photos showing some more progress.ThisIt all looks great! That's an especially neat job of fitting the
> latest batch shows essentially the assembly of the insulated roof
> called for on Windermere....
blue foam, indeed.
But wait - did I say "blue foam?" You must tell me what thickness
the foam actually measured compared to the advertised thickness.
While building FastBrick, I discovered that both 1" and 2" nominal
thickness foam was actually 1/8" thicker than advertised. This led
to some shimming and additional building time. If all blue foam is
slightly oversize like this, I'll feel better, but what I've been
suspecting is that the elevation of my shop at nearly 8800' is the
real culprit, and that the foam is expanding slightly due to the
lower atmospheric pressure.
If the foam decides to revert to its nominal thickness when the boat
gets to sea level, there might be problems, especially with the
sole. This would be a big concern for our eventual liveaboard #668
Auriga when I build her up here (plans still some time off, according
to PCB - sigh), since her interior sides and overhead are all to be
sandwiched with the stuff.
Of course, there could simply be manufacturing differences accounting
for the extra thickness. To be sure, would you or somebody else mind
if I sent you a couple of samples of my blue foam, to be measured
after spending some time at sea level, and then report your findings
here?
Jon Kolb,
with everlasting thanks to my wife for buying a satellite radio so I
can hear the Michigan game and build boats at the same time in the
middle of nowhere.
Bolgeradoes,
Have up-loaded some new photos showing some more progress.This
latest batch shows essentially the assembly of the insulated roof
called for on Windermere.With average daily temperatures reaching a
baking 52C up on the roof inside the bowshed,it is a wonder the film
in the camera didn't just melt away! Needless to say, this was the
toughest part so far in the building process.Not just for the heat
but also because of the limited headroom on the roof which had me
crawling around on my hands and knees,sweat running down into my
eyes like a river and not a helping hand around for miles to at
least toss me up a cold beer once in awhile :-(
Anyhow,that is all in the past now and work has begun in ernest
on the interior.Falls cooler temperatures are much anticipated by
this puppy who is also very happy to have all the "big work" parked
nicely behind him!
Pictures of roof asembly can be viewed here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/WINDERMERE/
they start at "00.jpg" through to "12.jpg". Hope you all enjoy them
and feel free to fire away with any questions.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,newly horsed and shod but not hitched right yet,from
along the darkening shores of the mighty St.Lawrence........
Have up-loaded some new photos showing some more progress.This
latest batch shows essentially the assembly of the insulated roof
called for on Windermere.With average daily temperatures reaching a
baking 52C up on the roof inside the bowshed,it is a wonder the film
in the camera didn't just melt away! Needless to say, this was the
toughest part so far in the building process.Not just for the heat
but also because of the limited headroom on the roof which had me
crawling around on my hands and knees,sweat running down into my
eyes like a river and not a helping hand around for miles to at
least toss me up a cold beer once in awhile :-(
Anyhow,that is all in the past now and work has begun in ernest
on the interior.Falls cooler temperatures are much anticipated by
this puppy who is also very happy to have all the "big work" parked
nicely behind him!
Pictures of roof asembly can be viewed here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger4/files/WINDERMERE/
they start at "00.jpg" through to "12.jpg". Hope you all enjoy them
and feel free to fire away with any questions.
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,newly horsed and shod but not hitched right yet,from
along the darkening shores of the mighty St.Lawrence........