Re: AS29 Capability
Thanks for posting that link Bob. I hadn't seen it before.
According to my copy of "Duck Flat Wooden Boats - A Book Of Dreams"
( really a wide collection of photocopies) Matt Nash's
AS29 'Leyenda' was the first in Australia. Those posted photos of
her finish complement the sailing photos in "DFWB-ABOD". I wonder
how he went with her sale. He changed the bow somewhat from plan,
blocking it off with a 'bow insert' which blocked the easy walk
through and down to the beach. I see from the posted photos he
altered the bow of the MicroNavigator then under construction. I
wonder how he went with this boat too, touring wooden boat shows,
and cruising the outer GBR, as I haven't heard anything.
Graeme
According to my copy of "Duck Flat Wooden Boats - A Book Of Dreams"
( really a wide collection of photocopies) Matt Nash's
AS29 'Leyenda' was the first in Australia. Those posted photos of
her finish complement the sailing photos in "DFWB-ABOD". I wonder
how he went with her sale. He changed the bow somewhat from plan,
blocking it off with a 'bow insert' which blocked the easy walk
through and down to the beach. I see from the posted photos he
altered the bow of the MicroNavigator then under construction. I
wonder how he went with this boat too, touring wooden boat shows,
and cruising the outer GBR, as I haven't heard anything.
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Rusk" <rrusk9@y...> wrote:
>
> It's been pointed out that the URL that I posted doesn't work. It
> does if you go to this page first:
>http://members.fortunecity.com/booraleaboats/
>
> The other link is a link off of that page, and the site seems to
check
> the address you're coming from. :(
>
> Bob
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Rusk" <rrusk9@y...> wrote:
> >
> > In case nobody has pointed you there yet, take a look at
> >http://members.fortunecity.com/booraleaboats/AS29Handling.html,
where
> > the writer discusses sailing his AS29 offshore in 30+ knots of
wind
> > and 8-10' breaking seas.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chip Humphreys" <cbh303@y...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone here has anny real experience with
an AS29.
> > > I know a few out there own them but not sure how active they
are in
> > > the group and I am not sure who lurks out there but does not
always
> > > respond.
> > >
> > > The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense.
If you
> > > can get over the first impression of her she really is a
practical
> > > boat, at least in my case.
> > >
> > > But the question is how does she sail. I have been a
displacemnt boat
> > > type all my life. I find now however that I am limited to the
Potomac
> > > river and an realistically the amount of water there is in
this area
> > > that would support a displacemtn hull is limited. Have you
looked at
> > > slip fees in the No. Virginia area.
> > >
> > > I am torn though as to whether this is a safe boat or if she
has to be
> > > sailed like a dingy. Will she knockdown at the first gust? Is
she
> > > really an outboard motor sailer? Could I expect to have good
success
> > > up and down the Potomac if I thought to construct one? It
seems to me
> > > that when a known storm is coming you could run way up the
little
> > > tributaries where the other boats only wish they could go, but
are you
> > > lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
> > >
> > > I have written to Phil Bolger asking for more info but first
hand
> > > accounts always work better.
> > >
> >
>
It's been pointed out that the URL that I posted doesn't work. It
does if you go to this page first:
http://members.fortunecity.com/booraleaboats/
The other link is a link off of that page, and the site seems to check
the address you're coming from. :(
Bob
does if you go to this page first:
http://members.fortunecity.com/booraleaboats/
The other link is a link off of that page, and the site seems to check
the address you're coming from. :(
Bob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Rusk" <rrusk9@y...> wrote:
>
> In case nobody has pointed you there yet, take a look at
>http://members.fortunecity.com/booraleaboats/AS29Handling.html,where
> the writer discusses sailing his AS29 offshore in 30+ knots of wind
> and 8-10' breaking seas.
>
> Bob
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chip Humphreys" <cbh303@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone here has anny real experience with an AS29.
> > I know a few out there own them but not sure how active they are in
> > the group and I am not sure who lurks out there but does not always
> > respond.
> >
> > The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense. If you
> > can get over the first impression of her she really is a practical
> > boat, at least in my case.
> >
> > But the question is how does she sail. I have been a displacemnt boat
> > type all my life. I find now however that I am limited to the Potomac
> > river and an realistically the amount of water there is in this area
> > that would support a displacemtn hull is limited. Have you looked at
> > slip fees in the No. Virginia area.
> >
> > I am torn though as to whether this is a safe boat or if she has to be
> > sailed like a dingy. Will she knockdown at the first gust? Is she
> > really an outboard motor sailer? Could I expect to have good success
> > up and down the Potomac if I thought to construct one? It seems to me
> > that when a known storm is coming you could run way up the little
> > tributaries where the other boats only wish they could go, but are you
> > lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
> >
> > I have written to Phil Bolger asking for more info but first hand
> > accounts always work better.
> >
>
In case nobody has pointed you there yet, take a look at
http://members.fortunecity.com/booraleaboats/AS29Handling.html,where
the writer discusses sailing his AS29 offshore in 30+ knots of wind
and 8-10' breaking seas.
Bob
http://members.fortunecity.com/booraleaboats/AS29Handling.html,where
the writer discusses sailing his AS29 offshore in 30+ knots of wind
and 8-10' breaking seas.
Bob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chip Humphreys" <cbh303@y...> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone here has anny real experience with an AS29.
> I know a few out there own them but not sure how active they are in
> the group and I am not sure who lurks out there but does not always
> respond.
>
> The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense. If you
> can get over the first impression of her she really is a practical
> boat, at least in my case.
>
> But the question is how does she sail. I have been a displacemnt boat
> type all my life. I find now however that I am limited to the Potomac
> river and an realistically the amount of water there is in this area
> that would support a displacemtn hull is limited. Have you looked at
> slip fees in the No. Virginia area.
>
> I am torn though as to whether this is a safe boat or if she has to be
> sailed like a dingy. Will she knockdown at the first gust? Is she
> really an outboard motor sailer? Could I expect to have good success
> up and down the Potomac if I thought to construct one? It seems to me
> that when a known storm is coming you could run way up the little
> tributaries where the other boats only wish they could go, but are you
> lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
>
> I have written to Phil Bolger asking for more info but first hand
> accounts always work better.
>
I've never heard a word from Phil Bolger that suggested any
restriction on coastal cruising in an AS-29. Users suggest, as in
previous messages, that she gets to be a handful before she gets
unsafe, so the crew is prompted to reef when (or before) necessary.
User accounts also indicate that she presents a learning experence for
a sloop sailor.
As for the level of performance, I'm pretty sure that she'll sail just
about as fast as any other 30-footer off the wind, spinnakers
excepted. Owners report good upwind performance, but it's hard to
credit that she would beat a Pearson 30, for example, under racing
conditions. These flat-bottom Bolger boats simply do not have the
sail-carrying power of a keel boat. Bolger notes somewhere that the
point of maximum power (and presumeably max speed) is when the
windward chine reaches water level. I don't know what angle of heel
that is, but heeling farther is futile, so reef.
Specific comments (loosely quoted) I have read (you may find these on
the web sites, etc.)
1) from the first sail of the first prototype: "We passed all the
other boats of our size." Bolger likes to quote this one, but I have
to believe that there is an excess of enthusiasm over precision.
2) "The Norwalk Island 29 sharpie in our marina is faster"
Peter
restriction on coastal cruising in an AS-29. Users suggest, as in
previous messages, that she gets to be a handful before she gets
unsafe, so the crew is prompted to reef when (or before) necessary.
User accounts also indicate that she presents a learning experence for
a sloop sailor.
As for the level of performance, I'm pretty sure that she'll sail just
about as fast as any other 30-footer off the wind, spinnakers
excepted. Owners report good upwind performance, but it's hard to
credit that she would beat a Pearson 30, for example, under racing
conditions. These flat-bottom Bolger boats simply do not have the
sail-carrying power of a keel boat. Bolger notes somewhere that the
point of maximum power (and presumeably max speed) is when the
windward chine reaches water level. I don't know what angle of heel
that is, but heeling farther is futile, so reef.
Specific comments (loosely quoted) I have read (you may find these on
the web sites, etc.)
1) from the first sail of the first prototype: "We passed all the
other boats of our size." Bolger likes to quote this one, but I have
to believe that there is an excess of enthusiasm over precision.
2) "The Norwalk Island 29 sharpie in our marina is faster"
Peter
It seems to me
capability, on any 30-knot day where I had the choice,
I'd be up a creek on the hook, or better yet sitting
home, watching the trees sway, drink in hand, saying,
"my, look at it blow." Sam
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> > that when a known storm is coming you could runI don't know anything about the AS29, but given MY
> way up the little
> > tributaries where the other boats only wish they
> could go, but are you
> > lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
capability, on any 30-knot day where I had the choice,
I'd be up a creek on the hook, or better yet sitting
home, watching the trees sway, drink in hand, saying,
"my, look at it blow." Sam
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chip Humphreys" <cbh303@y...> wrote:
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as192939.htm#as29
>if you haven't already seen this site, try the link beloe,john
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as192939.htm#as29
>I was wondering if anyone here has anny real experience with an AS29.
> I know a few out there own them but not sure how active they are in
> the group and I am not sure who lurks out there but does not always
> respond.
>
> The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense. If you
> can get over the first impression of her she really is a practical
> boat, at least in my case.
>
> But the question is how does she sail. I have been a displacemnt boat
> type all my life. I find now however that I am limited to the Potomac
> river and an realistically the amount of water there is in this area
> that would support a displacemtn hull is limited. Have you looked at
> slip fees in the No. Virginia area.
>
> I am torn though as to whether this is a safe boat or if she has to be
> sailed like a dingy. Will she knockdown at the first gust? Is she
> really an outboard motor sailer? Could I expect to have good success
> up and down the Potomac if I thought to construct one? It seems to me
> that when a known storm is coming you could run way up the little
> tributaries where the other boats only wish they could go, but are you
> lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
>
> I have written to Phil Bolger asking for more info but first hand
> accounts always work better.
>
> The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense.The AS29 also has more than a ton of hard ballast!
And, is very much a displacement sailboat.
I have found that the AS-29 behaves quite like a cat-boat. That is,when
the wind picks up she tends to round up into the wind. The more I sail
her, in all conditions, the more I'm learning to trust the design more
and more. If you overpower her, the response is that she develops too
much weather helm. If you reef down, she will balance better. If the
wind picks up again, repeat the process. I have found she's a bit tender
up to about 10 degrees of heel. After that, it takes a lot to make her
heel more. At about 15 degrees, she starts to lock down and not heel any
more. Any further increase in wind, and she rounds up again.
I never feel feel like I'm in danger of a knockdown, put then, I'm a
pretty cautious sailor.
As for power, I run her with a 9.9 and have been able to make about 6
knots, maybe a bit more, at 3/4 throttle. If I have to fight current and
wind, it can be slow going.
I've been able to make way up the Hudson River, with a NW wind. She's a
pretty efficient sailor.
Hope this helps.
Chip Humphreys wrote:
the wind picks up she tends to round up into the wind. The more I sail
her, in all conditions, the more I'm learning to trust the design more
and more. If you overpower her, the response is that she develops too
much weather helm. If you reef down, she will balance better. If the
wind picks up again, repeat the process. I have found she's a bit tender
up to about 10 degrees of heel. After that, it takes a lot to make her
heel more. At about 15 degrees, she starts to lock down and not heel any
more. Any further increase in wind, and she rounds up again.
I never feel feel like I'm in danger of a knockdown, put then, I'm a
pretty cautious sailor.
As for power, I run her with a 9.9 and have been able to make about 6
knots, maybe a bit more, at 3/4 throttle. If I have to fight current and
wind, it can be slow going.
I've been able to make way up the Hudson River, with a NW wind. She's a
pretty efficient sailor.
Hope this helps.
Chip Humphreys wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone here has anny real experience with an AS29.
>I know a few out there own them but not sure how active they are in
>the group and I am not sure who lurks out there but does not always
>respond.
>
>The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense. If you
>can get over the first impression of her she really is a practical
>boat, at least in my case.
>
>But the question is how does she sail. I have been a displacemnt boat
>type all my life. I find now however that I am limited to the Potomac
>river and an realistically the amount of water there is in this area
>that would support a displacemtn hull is limited. Have you looked at
>slip fees in the No. Virginia area.
>
>I am torn though as to whether this is a safe boat or if she has to be
>sailed like a dingy. Will she knockdown at the first gust? Is she
>really an outboard motor sailer? Could I expect to have good success
>up and down the Potomac if I thought to construct one? It seems to me
>that when a known storm is coming you could run way up the little
>tributaries where the other boats only wish they could go, but are you
>lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
>
>I have written to Phil Bolger asking for more info but first hand
>accounts always work better.
>
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I was wondering if anyone here has anny real experience with an AS29.
I know a few out there own them but not sure how active they are in
the group and I am not sure who lurks out there but does not always
respond.
The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense. If you
can get over the first impression of her she really is a practical
boat, at least in my case.
But the question is how does she sail. I have been a displacemnt boat
type all my life. I find now however that I am limited to the Potomac
river and an realistically the amount of water there is in this area
that would support a displacemtn hull is limited. Have you looked at
slip fees in the No. Virginia area.
I am torn though as to whether this is a safe boat or if she has to be
sailed like a dingy. Will she knockdown at the first gust? Is she
really an outboard motor sailer? Could I expect to have good success
up and down the Potomac if I thought to construct one? It seems to me
that when a known storm is coming you could run way up the little
tributaries where the other boats only wish they could go, but are you
lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
I have written to Phil Bolger asking for more info but first hand
accounts always work better.
I know a few out there own them but not sure how active they are in
the group and I am not sure who lurks out there but does not always
respond.
The truth of the matter is that the AS29 makes a ton of sense. If you
can get over the first impression of her she really is a practical
boat, at least in my case.
But the question is how does she sail. I have been a displacemnt boat
type all my life. I find now however that I am limited to the Potomac
river and an realistically the amount of water there is in this area
that would support a displacemtn hull is limited. Have you looked at
slip fees in the No. Virginia area.
I am torn though as to whether this is a safe boat or if she has to be
sailed like a dingy. Will she knockdown at the first gust? Is she
really an outboard motor sailer? Could I expect to have good success
up and down the Potomac if I thought to construct one? It seems to me
that when a known storm is coming you could run way up the little
tributaries where the other boats only wish they could go, but are you
lanlocked on a 30 knot day or always reefing?
I have written to Phil Bolger asking for more info but first hand
accounts always work better.