Re: [bolger] Re: Bolger Sailpans
Huh, I guess I was wrong. ....I really must get a sub to MAIB.
RonB.
RonB.
On 18-Oct-05, at 9:03 AM, Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote: The
> balanced lug sailplan for the Alaska Cargo Boat is a PB&F
> drawing, from an article in MAIB V20 #20 [March 1 2003]. It was drawn
> by them
> for a boat being built at Yellowknife;
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
Thanks for the added information. Looks like there were some other
modifications to the design at that time as well. It would be
interesting to find out if the fellow ever finished that version. I
had his e-mail address at one time but got no reply when I enquired.
That sailplan could also be adopted for a Martha Jane or
Whalewatcher or any other that calls for a lugsail.
You will see what has been happening with me from my previous post.
Hopefully Lestat and Moriarty will indeed meet a some point! I often
imagine filming them together.
Cheers to you, Nels
>> The balanced lug sailplan for the Alaska Cargo Boat is a PB&Fdrawing, from
> an article in MAIB V20 #20 [March 1 2003]. It was drawn by themfor a boat
> being built at Yellowknife;Derek,
Thanks for the added information. Looks like there were some other
modifications to the design at that time as well. It would be
interesting to find out if the fellow ever finished that version. I
had his e-mail address at one time but got no reply when I enquired.
That sailplan could also be adopted for a Martha Jane or
Whalewatcher or any other that calls for a lugsail.
You will see what has been happening with me from my previous post.
Hopefully Lestat and Moriarty will indeed meet a some point! I often
imagine filming them together.
Cheers to you, Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Lenihan" <peterlenihan@h...>
wrote:
Lestat is now 12 years old and maybe entering puberty and has become
quite rebelious:-) He decided he did not want to spend another winter
of -35 temperatures and I had to agree with him.
If you go to this link and click on the bottom left corner of the map
that comes up, you will see a place called "Pritchard" and if you
locate the letter "P" in Thompson you will see where Lestat is resting
serenely in my recently aquired boat shop:-)
http://www.travelsmartshuswap.com/shuswap/maps.htm
As you know I spent my summer last year, touring around Norway and
Sweden and for most of the summer this year I was challenged with
physical problems which I now seem recovered from. So I never did get
Lestat out but am really excited about the prospects of launching in
our own front yard next spring. The property is right along the shore
fo the South Thompson River.
I plan to do write up with photos of Lestats journey even further
west but am in the process of madly trying to get things ready for
selling back here in Dog River Saskatchewan.
Nels (who added another 1400 kilomters to Lestat's log book - all over
the hard ground unfortunately.)
wrote:
> Hi Nels,for
> Not to take this off in a different direction but speaking of
> sail plans,have you had LESTAT out yet and if so,how did she work
> you? Enquiring mind would like to know :-)2s :-D
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Peter Lenihan,mommy and daddy to Lestat when he was but a twinkle in
> my eye and who enjoyed every bit of him even during the terrible
>Hi Peter,
Lestat is now 12 years old and maybe entering puberty and has become
quite rebelious:-) He decided he did not want to spend another winter
of -35 temperatures and I had to agree with him.
If you go to this link and click on the bottom left corner of the map
that comes up, you will see a place called "Pritchard" and if you
locate the letter "P" in Thompson you will see where Lestat is resting
serenely in my recently aquired boat shop:-)
http://www.travelsmartshuswap.com/shuswap/maps.htm
As you know I spent my summer last year, touring around Norway and
Sweden and for most of the summer this year I was challenged with
physical problems which I now seem recovered from. So I never did get
Lestat out but am really excited about the prospects of launching in
our own front yard next spring. The property is right along the shore
fo the South Thompson River.
I plan to do write up with photos of Lestats journey even further
west but am in the process of madly trying to get things ready for
selling back here in Dog River Saskatchewan.
Nels (who added another 1400 kilomters to Lestat's log book - all over
the hard ground unfortunately.)
I'm thinking the same. Kind of like the jiffy reef system with the lazy
jacks catching the boom. I have an old Freedom 21(Gary Hoyt) which has
this system to reef the main without leaving the cockpit, but I have no
experience with it. Clyde
Derek Waters wrote:
jacks catching the boom. I have an old Freedom 21(Gary Hoyt) which has
this system to reef the main without leaving the cockpit, but I have no
experience with it. Clyde
Derek Waters wrote:
> "I am wondering if there has been anything written about that particular
> saliplan as shown?"
>
> The balanced lug sailplan for the Alaska Cargo Boat is a PB&F drawing,
> from
> an article in MAIB V20 #20 [March 1 2003]. It was drawn by them for a boat
> being built at Yellowknife; "...has more sail area than the first one, but
> carries it lower and has more attention paid to quick and hazard free
> reefing" The smaller sticks used were intended to be easier to source
> locally, in tree form.
>
> I'd hazard a guess that the battens calm that 400+ sq ft when reefing, and
"I am wondering if there has been anything written about that particular
saliplan as shown?"
The balanced lug sailplan for the Alaska Cargo Boat is a PB&F drawing, from
an article in MAIB V20 #20 [March 1 2003]. It was drawn by them for a boat
being built at Yellowknife; "...has more sail area than the first one, but
carries it lower and has more attention paid to quick and hazard free
reefing" The smaller sticks used were intended to be easier to source
locally, in tree form.
I'd hazard a guess that the battens calm that 400+ sq ft when reefing, and
spread the load into the cloth without having to tie in points. They do
something like that on our much smaller sail. With the tabernacle moved aft
to balance the plan it looks like a workable alternative Micro main [once
scaled to suit, of course].
Dropping the mast on the Navigator rigged Micro isn't a big hassle; The way
we have ours rigged, the only extra time over an ordinary gaff rig is taken
to unclip the two shackles which connect the upper sheetlets. All that's
needed to keep things tidy at the mainmast is a couple of velcro webbing
straps passed around, binding lines and mast together.
The majority of our set up and take down time is spent on lashing down two
masts, two booms and two bundled sails for trailer transport, and freeing it
all at the ramp, then reversing that process after sailing. I'd like it to
be faster, but that would be at the expense of the advantages of the cat
yawl rig. Sadly, there's no head room in our 'boatshed' for the tabernacled
mainmast.
cheers
Derek
saliplan as shown?"
The balanced lug sailplan for the Alaska Cargo Boat is a PB&F drawing, from
an article in MAIB V20 #20 [March 1 2003]. It was drawn by them for a boat
being built at Yellowknife; "...has more sail area than the first one, but
carries it lower and has more attention paid to quick and hazard free
reefing" The smaller sticks used were intended to be easier to source
locally, in tree form.
I'd hazard a guess that the battens calm that 400+ sq ft when reefing, and
spread the load into the cloth without having to tie in points. They do
something like that on our much smaller sail. With the tabernacle moved aft
to balance the plan it looks like a workable alternative Micro main [once
scaled to suit, of course].
Dropping the mast on the Navigator rigged Micro isn't a big hassle; The way
we have ours rigged, the only extra time over an ordinary gaff rig is taken
to unclip the two shackles which connect the upper sheetlets. All that's
needed to keep things tidy at the mainmast is a couple of velcro webbing
straps passed around, binding lines and mast together.
The majority of our set up and take down time is spent on lashing down two
masts, two booms and two bundled sails for trailer transport, and freeing it
all at the ramp, then reversing that process after sailing. I'd like it to
be faster, but that would be at the expense of the advantages of the cat
yawl rig. Sadly, there's no head room in our 'boatshed' for the tabernacled
mainmast.
cheers
Derek
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
Hi Nels,
Not to take this off in a different direction but speaking of
sail plans,have you had LESTAT out yet and if so,how did she work for
you? Enquiring mind would like to know :-)
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan,mommy and daddy to Lestat when he was but a twinkle in
my eye and who enjoyed every bit of him even during the terrible 2s :-D
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@y...>
wrote:
Yes it is the first one in the files from there:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
I am wondering if there has been anything written about that
particular saliplan as shown?
Nels
wrote:
>Hi Graeme,
> That link didn't work for me. Is this it from Bolger_Study_Plans?
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c8xmn
>
> Graeme
Yes it is the first one in the files from there:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/
I am wondering if there has been anything written about that
particular saliplan as shown?
Nels
That link didn't work for me. Is this it from Bolger_Study_Plans?
http://tinyurl.com/c8xmn
Graeme
http://tinyurl.com/c8xmn
Graeme
>http://tinyurl.com/addl8
>
> Cheers, Nels
>
I think that revised sail plan was done by someone other than Bolger.
It was one of the Bolger list members but I'm not sure who.
RonB.
It was one of the Bolger list members but I'm not sure who.
RonB.
On 17-Oct-05, at 7:31 PM, Nels wrote:
> Now I see that Bolger has at some point upgraded that design and
> offers an alternative sailplan which I have never seen before to my
> knowledge. Seems to me it is a lug rig with two full length battens -
Browsing through the various files searching out information on the
One Man Liveaboard made me realize that although I always love to
study the Bolger boat designs and how he explains his rationale for
the various functions of his boats, what really fascinates me the
most are his sailplans.
How he uses such basic materials - mostly wood and simple traditonal
materials and synthetic rope to create a functional sailing system
that is a fraction of the cost of the mass produced sail hardware
specified by the majority of sail plan designs. Also is very user
friendly in a relaxed fashion by the more casual cruiser.
The One Man Liveaboard is a case in point as it specifies only a 12
foot mast on a sail plan of 231 square feet with no standing
rigging! I do not really understand how the yard is to be handled
if you want to lower the sail in a hurry for perhaps an approaching
low bridge. Can this sailplan replace having a tabernacle I would
wonder? The stub mast in a draining box is capable of rotating with
the sail position which increases the aerodynamics of the sail and
also lessens the chafe factor between the mast and the sprit boom. I
have to wonder why this set-up is not used in any other designs.
Another design that has always intrigued me is what is now called
The Alaskan Motorsailor. It was originally designed with a
traditional gaff yawl rig and I thought was a natural for the
Bolger Chinese Gaff rig, since it has an inside control station.
Now I see that Bolger has at some point upgraded that design and
offers an alternative sailplan which I have never seen before to my
knowledge. Seems to me it is a lug rig with two full length battens -
one at each reef point - and reefing lines leading into the pilot
house. Almost like something between a Chinese lug and a more
traditional balanced lug. I am wondering if there is a write up on
this sailplan anywhere? Seems like it would be a viable alternative
on a One Man Liveaboard or a Long Micro with a pilot house.
And perhaps an alternative for the Micro Navigator instead of the
Chinese gaff that has a larger number of control lines and blocks
etc. that tend to get tangled up when lowering the mast.
http://tinyurl.com/addl8
Cheers, Nels
One Man Liveaboard made me realize that although I always love to
study the Bolger boat designs and how he explains his rationale for
the various functions of his boats, what really fascinates me the
most are his sailplans.
How he uses such basic materials - mostly wood and simple traditonal
materials and synthetic rope to create a functional sailing system
that is a fraction of the cost of the mass produced sail hardware
specified by the majority of sail plan designs. Also is very user
friendly in a relaxed fashion by the more casual cruiser.
The One Man Liveaboard is a case in point as it specifies only a 12
foot mast on a sail plan of 231 square feet with no standing
rigging! I do not really understand how the yard is to be handled
if you want to lower the sail in a hurry for perhaps an approaching
low bridge. Can this sailplan replace having a tabernacle I would
wonder? The stub mast in a draining box is capable of rotating with
the sail position which increases the aerodynamics of the sail and
also lessens the chafe factor between the mast and the sprit boom. I
have to wonder why this set-up is not used in any other designs.
Another design that has always intrigued me is what is now called
The Alaskan Motorsailor. It was originally designed with a
traditional gaff yawl rig and I thought was a natural for the
Bolger Chinese Gaff rig, since it has an inside control station.
Now I see that Bolger has at some point upgraded that design and
offers an alternative sailplan which I have never seen before to my
knowledge. Seems to me it is a lug rig with two full length battens -
one at each reef point - and reefing lines leading into the pilot
house. Almost like something between a Chinese lug and a more
traditional balanced lug. I am wondering if there is a write up on
this sailplan anywhere? Seems like it would be a viable alternative
on a One Man Liveaboard or a Long Micro with a pilot house.
And perhaps an alternative for the Micro Navigator instead of the
Chinese gaff that has a larger number of control lines and blocks
etc. that tend to get tangled up when lowering the mast.
http://tinyurl.com/addl8
Cheers, Nels