Re: [bolger] ocean; inshore design
Good call!!
HJ
John Bell wrote:
HJ
John Bell wrote:
>Low power, high speed, good ride in a chop.
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>Pick any two.
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>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:14 AM
>Subject: [bolger] ocean; inshore design
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I suggest you look at Renn Tolman's Alaskan skiff. It is 18 or 20'
length, shallow vee (good for speed on low power, but not as harsh in
a chop as a flat bottom). He recommends something like 40 to 55 HP
for about 20 mph cruise speed. Construction looks simple. All of the
plans are in the book by the designer, "A Skiff for All Seasons". He
has made his living building these boats, so I think they are well
adapted as they are used in Alaska.
length, shallow vee (good for speed on low power, but not as harsh in
a chop as a flat bottom). He recommends something like 40 to 55 HP
for about 20 mph cruise speed. Construction looks simple. All of the
plans are in the book by the designer, "A Skiff for All Seasons". He
has made his living building these boats, so I think they are well
adapted as they are used in Alaska.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "bru08107" <echo172@c...> wrote:
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> I'm looking for a fishing boat of a low power design like the
> sneakeasy. I will need it to handle 1-3 foot seas and 25 mile round
> trip at 25-30 mph. I haven't found info on sneakeasy performance in
> chop. Any assistance in the right direction is very much appreciated.
> Bruce in NJ
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I would not want to be anti-Bolger. As I said in an earlier post, he
is a master of this sort of powerboat. However an example of the
size/power/speed compromise is John Welsford's Rifleman:
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/rifleman/index.htm
15', 25 hp, 25kts. His comments are interesting if only because they
illustrate how much payload diminishes performance. I'm sure JW would
agree that a longer boat would give a smoother action. And although he
claims rough water capability and 25 kts, he doesn't claim the boat
can stand them simultaneously.
Bolger also had Sharpshooter. It's big skiff. I don't remember any
performance estimates.
is a master of this sort of powerboat. However an example of the
size/power/speed compromise is John Welsford's Rifleman:
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/rifleman/index.htm
15', 25 hp, 25kts. His comments are interesting if only because they
illustrate how much payload diminishes performance. I'm sure JW would
agree that a longer boat would give a smoother action. And although he
claims rough water capability and 25 kts, he doesn't claim the boat
can stand them simultaneously.
Bolger also had Sharpshooter. It's big skiff. I don't remember any
performance estimates.
Low poweer and 25-30 mph in 1-3' seas sounds like
conflicting requirements to me. To handle the speed
and the seas, Diablo or Diablo Grande spring to mind.
To handle the low power and the seas, Slicer would be
a design to think about
Phil Smith
conflicting requirements to me. To handle the speed
and the seas, Diablo or Diablo Grande spring to mind.
To handle the low power and the seas, Slicer would be
a design to think about
Phil Smith
> And if a complex-shaped boat is possible, there is the Fisherman'sAlso to consider, would be Bolger's _Inlet Runner_, which is 22' x 8'6"
> Launch, the stretched version of Shivaree. PCB feels this is the best
> OB model he has ever come up with, and that is saying something. This
> is a type of boat that he has a host of successful designs.
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> Peter
and was designed for a similar criteria.
Still, a long boat to span the crests of large chop, might be most comfortable.
> I'm looking for a fishing boat of a low power design like theWhat is your definition of "low" power? My first thought is that 25mph
> sneakeasy. I will need it to handle 1-3 foot seas and 25 mile round
> trip at 25-30 mph. I haven't found info on sneakeasy performance in
> chop. Any assistance in the right direction is very much appreciated.
> Bruce in NJ
is hard enough to achieve on land with low power, meaning 5-10 hp, and
just about impossible on the water. Then, thinking about the huge
engines hung on small boats these days, I thought maybe your idea of
"low" was more expansive than mine. If I recall correctly, a builder
of the Fast Motorsailer found that 45hp would drive her about 18
knots, but 90hp got her well into the range that you are thinking of.
That boat is about 22 1/2 ft and has a box-cutwater like the rough
water version of Sneakeasy. I'm sure it's a bit heavier but it does
give a guide to what you had in mind.
Slicer was one of my first thoughts, too. Unlike Sneakeasy, it was
designed with a cockpit for recreations like fishing, not just riding
around impressing the ladies.
And if a complex-shaped boat is possible, there is the Fisherman's
Launch, the stretched version of Shivaree. PCB feels this is the best
OB model he has ever come up with, and that is saying something. This
is a type of boat that he has a host of successful designs.
Peter
Low power, high speed, good ride in a chop.
Pick any two.
Pick any two.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bru08107" <echo172@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: [bolger] ocean; inshore design
> I'm looking for a fishing boat of a low power design like the
> sneakeasy. I will need it to handle 1-3 foot seas and 25 mile round
> trip at 25-30 mph. I haven't found info on sneakeasy performance in
> chop. Any assistance in the right direction is very much appreciated.
> Bruce in NJ
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On 10/20/05, bru08107 <echo172@...> wrote:
Personally, I would be thinking of Slicer, for a low powered 25 mile
run in 3 foot seas.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/05/excerpts/maib/1/index.cfm
Perhaps the cutwater version of Sneakeasy might be good too.
A Topaz Spyder would do the job also.
25 to 30 mph, without knocking out yer fillings, seems optomistic.
Enough length, to bridge the chop, is the way to go.
> I'm looking for a fishing boat of a low power design like theYou haven't mentioned about size.
> sneakeasy. I will need it to handle 1-3 foot seas and 25 mile round
> trip at 25-30 mph. I haven't found info on sneakeasy performance in
> chop. Any assistance in the right direction is very much appreciated.
> Bruce in NJ
Personally, I would be thinking of Slicer, for a low powered 25 mile
run in 3 foot seas.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/05/excerpts/maib/1/index.cfm
Perhaps the cutwater version of Sneakeasy might be good too.
A Topaz Spyder would do the job also.
25 to 30 mph, without knocking out yer fillings, seems optomistic.
Enough length, to bridge the chop, is the way to go.
I'm looking for a fishing boat of a low power design like the
sneakeasy. I will need it to handle 1-3 foot seas and 25 mile round
trip at 25-30 mph. I haven't found info on sneakeasy performance in
chop. Any assistance in the right direction is very much appreciated.
Bruce in NJ
sneakeasy. I will need it to handle 1-3 foot seas and 25 mile round
trip at 25-30 mph. I haven't found info on sneakeasy performance in
chop. Any assistance in the right direction is very much appreciated.
Bruce in NJ