Re: keeless navigator update.
Dennis-
I've got some building photos out there somewhere, i'll post them into
bolger 6 with the other ones.
I had an account with ofoto but since i did'nt buy anything they
disappeared after 6 months.
The cabin framing was done by roughing out the shape per plans via
scale rule and then stiching them together with zip ties. Stitch and
glue constuction is really easy and fast. I beleive Bruce buit his up
with traditional framing.....he's got photos out there somewhere.
I can take some photo's of the tabernacle and post those too. It's
waaaaay large, but it hasn't broke (yet).
Jason
I've got some building photos out there somewhere, i'll post them into
bolger 6 with the other ones.
I had an account with ofoto but since i did'nt buy anything they
disappeared after 6 months.
The cabin framing was done by roughing out the shape per plans via
scale rule and then stiching them together with zip ties. Stitch and
glue constuction is really easy and fast. I beleive Bruce buit his up
with traditional framing.....he's got photos out there somewhere.
I can take some photo's of the tabernacle and post those too. It's
waaaaay large, but it hasn't broke (yet).
Jason
Jason, I don't get a chance to browse this group very often. I'm
working on a project very similar to yours. A Navigator type boat
with dipping lug sail, weighted swing keel, water ballast. Easy
launching, low draft, beaching abilties and light trailer weight are
very important to me. Haven't built the tabernacle yet. I commend
you on doing your own thing, and after looking a your pictures, it
looks like you did a great job!
I was not able to find any building photos of your boat. I'm
especially interested in cabin framing detail. Have you thought of
posting more pictures on some of the free photo hosting services? I
was also wondering if you have any close up shots of the tabernacle.
Thanks,
Denis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
working on a project very similar to yours. A Navigator type boat
with dipping lug sail, weighted swing keel, water ballast. Easy
launching, low draft, beaching abilties and light trailer weight are
very important to me. Haven't built the tabernacle yet. I commend
you on doing your own thing, and after looking a your pictures, it
looks like you did a great job!
I was not able to find any building photos of your boat. I'm
especially interested in cabin framing detail. Have you thought of
posting more pictures on some of the free photo hosting services? I
was also wondering if you have any close up shots of the tabernacle.
Thanks,
Denis
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Stancil" <jasonstancil@h...>
wrote:
>with
> Got my navigator(almost navigator) out in 17 mph winds yesterday
> the full 200 square feet of sail up. Handeled it real well with no(i
> keel and the internal ballast. Lays over to about 15 degrees and
> sticks. Been shifting and hacking at the off centerboard trying to
> optimize size and shape.......doesn't seem to matter that much as
> guess) the hard chine grabs on pretty well till the lug starts tospace
> lose draw from getting to tight on the wind. Thinking about chine
> runners as a fall project. I'm really spoiled on this 11" draft and
> it's so much fun to screw with this thing.
>
> The exhaust from the engine with the wash boards up is really
> annoying though, going to have to boot the tiller/bulkhead air
> to try and settle the matter. Bruce or Don any comments?tight
>
> I've finally figured that it's a big no-no to sheet the lug too
> makes a world of difference in performance. My leech tends toflutter
> on a broad reach do i need to put more tension on the tack or what?still
> The grit seems to be running the right way.
>
> I found my digital camera this morning in my foulies if anyone
> wants some picture of specific things let me know and i'll post em'overnighter
>
> Jason...... with 14 nights on board and one more planned
> this weekend.
>
Hi Graeme,
Interesting, I have earlier done a sketch of a Navigator cabin on an
As19, when I was considering building one. The shoal draft is very
attractive to me, sitting on a drying out mooring as I now am. Jason's
setup would suit me well, but I can't bring myself to make another
major change.
The longer rounded bow and stern extension certainly makes for a
faster more civilised boat, though it's starting to get away from the
original concept of utmost simplicity. The rounded bow would be quite
easy to build from new when upside down.
I look forward to seeing what you come up with,
Don
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@y...>
wrote:
Interesting, I have earlier done a sketch of a Navigator cabin on an
As19, when I was considering building one. The shoal draft is very
attractive to me, sitting on a drying out mooring as I now am. Jason's
setup would suit me well, but I can't bring myself to make another
major change.
The longer rounded bow and stern extension certainly makes for a
faster more civilised boat, though it's starting to get away from the
original concept of utmost simplicity. The rounded bow would be quite
easy to build from new when upside down.
I look forward to seeing what you come up with,
Don
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@y...>
wrote:
>
> Just looked over the pics of "Oink" on your site again Don.
> Thinking of AS19, it dawned on me that you and Jason may have
> demonstrated full scale some things that may apply. Thanks.
>
> Jason has adopted internal ballast plus leeboard, and eliminated the
> ballasted salient keel as per AS19, and your lengthening fore and
> aft must make her very close to 19ft. The beam being around 12
> inches greater not withstanding, you both report excellent
> performance in many respects.
>
> The Navigator cabin on "Oink" gives a good feel for the proportions
> if applied to AS19, and the remodelled bow suggests another solution
> not presented by Bolger for the "irritating defect". It may be
> trickier, and surgery may have to commence further back as the bow
> is alredy quite high and wide. Nevertheless... hmmm...
>
> Graeme
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
> >
> > Can't help Jason, never done the motor with washboards in place, or
> > had this problem. Also mine is changed a little from the plans at
> the
> > stern. But you certainly better put a boot in place, because you
> might
> > go to sleep for a long winter like the bears,
> > Don
> >http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
> > >
> > > The exhaust from the engine with the wash boards up is really
> > > annoying though, going to have to boot the tiller/bulkhead air
> space
> > > to try and settle the matter. Bruce or Don any comments?
> >
> > >
> > > Jason...... with 14 nights on board and one more planned
> overnighter
> > > this weekend.
> > >
> >
>
Just looked over the pics of "Oink" on your site again Don.
Thinking of AS19, it dawned on me that you and Jason may have
demonstrated full scale some things that may apply. Thanks.
Jason has adopted internal ballast plus leeboard, and eliminated the
ballasted salient keel as per AS19, and your lengthening fore and
aft must make her very close to 19ft. The beam being around 12
inches greater not withstanding, you both report excellent
performance in many respects.
The Navigator cabin on "Oink" gives a good feel for the proportions
if applied to AS19, and the remodelled bow suggests another solution
not presented by Bolger for the "irritating defect". It may be
trickier, and surgery may have to commence further back as the bow
is alredy quite high and wide. Nevertheless... hmmm...
Graeme
Thinking of AS19, it dawned on me that you and Jason may have
demonstrated full scale some things that may apply. Thanks.
Jason has adopted internal ballast plus leeboard, and eliminated the
ballasted salient keel as per AS19, and your lengthening fore and
aft must make her very close to 19ft. The beam being around 12
inches greater not withstanding, you both report excellent
performance in many respects.
The Navigator cabin on "Oink" gives a good feel for the proportions
if applied to AS19, and the remodelled bow suggests another solution
not presented by Bolger for the "irritating defect". It may be
trickier, and surgery may have to commence further back as the bow
is alredy quite high and wide. Nevertheless... hmmm...
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dbaldnz" <oink@w...> wrote:
>
> Can't help Jason, never done the motor with washboards in place, or
> had this problem. Also mine is changed a little from the plans at
the
> stern. But you certainly better put a boot in place, because you
might
> go to sleep for a long winter like the bears,
> Don
>http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
> >
> > The exhaust from the engine with the wash boards up is really
> > annoying though, going to have to boot the tiller/bulkhead air
space
> > to try and settle the matter. Bruce or Don any comments?
>
> >
> > Jason...... with 14 nights on board and one more planned
overnighter
> > this weekend.
> >
>
Can't help Jason, never done the motor with washboards in place, or
had this problem. Also mine is changed a little from the plans at the
stern. But you certainly better put a boot in place, because you might
go to sleep for a long winter like the bears,
Don
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
had this problem. Also mine is changed a little from the plans at the
stern. But you certainly better put a boot in place, because you might
go to sleep for a long winter like the bears,
Don
http://oink.kiwiwebhost.biz/
>
> The exhaust from the engine with the wash boards up is really
> annoying though, going to have to boot the tiller/bulkhead air space
> to try and settle the matter. Bruce or Don any comments?
>
> Jason...... with 14 nights on board and one more planned overnighter
> this weekend.
>
Got my navigator(almost navigator) out in 17 mph winds yesterday with
the full 200 square feet of sail up. Handeled it real well with no
keel and the internal ballast. Lays over to about 15 degrees and
sticks. Been shifting and hacking at the off centerboard trying to
optimize size and shape.......doesn't seem to matter that much as (i
guess) the hard chine grabs on pretty well till the lug starts to
lose draw from getting to tight on the wind. Thinking about chine
runners as a fall project. I'm really spoiled on this 11" draft and
it's so much fun to screw with this thing.
The exhaust from the engine with the wash boards up is really
annoying though, going to have to boot the tiller/bulkhead air space
to try and settle the matter. Bruce or Don any comments?
I've finally figured that it's a big no-no to sheet the lug too tight
makes a world of difference in performance. My leech tends to flutter
on a broad reach do i need to put more tension on the tack or what?
The grit seems to be running the right way.
I found my digital camera this morning in my foulies if anyone still
wants some picture of specific things let me know and i'll post em'
Jason...... with 14 nights on board and one more planned overnighter
this weekend.
the full 200 square feet of sail up. Handeled it real well with no
keel and the internal ballast. Lays over to about 15 degrees and
sticks. Been shifting and hacking at the off centerboard trying to
optimize size and shape.......doesn't seem to matter that much as (i
guess) the hard chine grabs on pretty well till the lug starts to
lose draw from getting to tight on the wind. Thinking about chine
runners as a fall project. I'm really spoiled on this 11" draft and
it's so much fun to screw with this thing.
The exhaust from the engine with the wash boards up is really
annoying though, going to have to boot the tiller/bulkhead air space
to try and settle the matter. Bruce or Don any comments?
I've finally figured that it's a big no-no to sheet the lug too tight
makes a world of difference in performance. My leech tends to flutter
on a broad reach do i need to put more tension on the tack or what?
The grit seems to be running the right way.
I found my digital camera this morning in my foulies if anyone still
wants some picture of specific things let me know and i'll post em'
Jason...... with 14 nights on board and one more planned overnighter
this weekend.