Re: Long Dory Completed, FastBrick Next, Foam Issue

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
>
> My wife wife designed our house, my guidance to her was "start with a
> 25x 30 shop, the rest is yours". The results at the bottom of
>
>http://209.193.28.16/Boats/Klondike/Rollover/Rollover.htm
>
> All I had to do was build it.
>
> HJ
>
You have my sympathy Harry;-)

House waaay too big, shop too small. I figgers if it was reversed it
would be about perfect:-)

Nels (With tongue firmly imbdded in cheek you understand.)
My wife wife designed our house, my guidance to her was "start with a
25x 30 shop, the rest is yours". The results at the bottom of

http://209.193.28.16/Boats/Klondike/Rollover/Rollover.htm

All I had to do was build it.

HJ



--snip--

>
>When looking at houses one should look at the shop first and then
>consider whatever one has to sleep in;-) Or better yet, look for a
>shop with it's own attached bedroom, bathroom and bar, thus having
>storage for the dead soldiers and a place to go without messing up the
>house while the better half is busy at work.
>
>A great choice of which I have - is a mobile home with an attached
>shop and guest-room - right next to the water. A mobile home gives one
>the "sense" of being on a liveaboard boat (narrow companionways and
>tiny "staterooms":-) without the hassles of shore power and sewage and
>having to clean the bottom. Then with the shop you are free to build
>small Bolger boats that are low maintenance and no marina fees for any
>of it!
>
>My first set-up even had a spare lot next door with two concrete pads
>for storing the toys and my newest one has the river across the road
>but not as much storage room. Always compromises it seems.
>
>Your interior color choice reminds me of the blue suit Ray Charles
>often wore. Electric Blue I think it was referred to? Just watched the
>movie "Ray" on DVD is why I had that connection. Great great movie!
>
>Cheers, Nels
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
I live in a tiny house and built a boatshop in
> the middle of an arid mountain basin instead. - I suppose it could
only be improved upon if it
> were on "the shores of the nippy St. Lawrence." As I like to tell my
> wife, building boats at this remote shop keeps me out of bars**.
>
> Thanks, Peter and everyone else, for the kind comments on Venusian.
> I hope the next project comes out half as nicely.
>
> Jon Kolb
>
> **Solution: take beer, cigars, and sports radio to shop.

Hi Jon,

Could not agree with you more. Most people live in houses far too
large, with high maintenance yards and high property taxes, tiny
garages, huge SUV's and not enough resources to purchase good plywood!

When looking at houses one should look at the shop first and then
consider whatever one has to sleep in;-) Or better yet, look for a
shop with it's own attached bedroom, bathroom and bar, thus having
storage for the dead soldiers and a place to go without messing up the
house while the better half is busy at work.

A great choice of which I have - is a mobile home with an attached
shop and guest-room - right next to the water. A mobile home gives one
the "sense" of being on a liveaboard boat (narrow companionways and
tiny "staterooms":-) without the hassles of shore power and sewage and
having to clean the bottom. Then with the shop you are free to build
small Bolger boats that are low maintenance and no marina fees for any
of it!

My first set-up even had a spare lot next door with two concrete pads
for storing the toys and my newest one has the river across the road
but not as much storage room. Always compromises it seems.

Your interior color choice reminds me of the blue suit Ray Charles
often wore. Electric Blue I think it was referred to? Just watched the
movie "Ray" on DVD is why I had that connection. Great great movie!

Cheers, Nels
Hi Peter,

> What do we think about the interior paint colour?!?! Never mind the
> colour,dammit! What really has my eyes vibrating and
> my...er....um...."nuts" hanging particularly low is the complete
and
> utter lack of sawdust,wood shavings,off-cuts,empty beer
> cases,"sleeping soldiers" or even a scrap of paper with scribbled
> notes on it, laying about your shop!!!! And as if that wasn't
enough
> to just about send one completely off his bloody rocker crying for
> his mommy, you've got tons of wood stacked in there too!!!And with
> about as much gnashing of the teeth as you care to endure,a honest-
> ta-goodness shop!!!
...snip...

Yikes! Where to begin to repent for my sins? Let's see, there's at
least three photos with sawdust and shavings in them, and one with a
dead soldier you should certainly recognize since he's from your neck
of the woods. In any case, I usually run the broom and shop-vac at
the end of the weekend to starve the mice of homebuilding materials
to some degree. More importantly though, is that it's nearly always
windy in the afternoon (and morning, and noon, and night, too) in the
high basin where the shop sits, so any time the door is opened, dust
and shavings go everywhere - usually straight into fresh paint,
epoxy, or varnish.

Most of the lumber is waiting to furnish the interior of Auriga, and
has been collected over 10-15 years from the leftovers of other
projects. As for the shop, well, what can I say? Some guys spend
their money on golf, memberships to snooty clubs, big loud
motorcycles, mistresses, gambling, or still more on houses ten times
the size they need. I live in a tiny house and built a boatshop in
the middle of an arid mountain basin instead. Besides, some of the
folks on this list actually live right near water - actual permanent
bodies of water. Around here, water is what falls in tiny amounts
from the sky, usually having a sideways component of motion. Of
course, I have paid some dues to the cramped-shop gods in the past.
As soon as I can find them, I'll post the construction shots of my
Light Schooner - built diagonally in my 19' garage. My knees are
still paying for that one.

In the end, though, I'll count my blessings for having such a nice
place to build boats - I suppose it could only be improved upon if it
were on "the shores of the nippy St. Lawrence." As I like to tell my
wife, building boats at this remote shop keeps me out of bars**.

Thanks, Peter and everyone else, for the kind comments on Venusian.
I hope the next project comes out half as nicely.

Jon Kolb

**Solution: take beer, cigars, and sports radio to shop.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:

Oh...and did I mention that I like the colour scheme...especially that
blue?

Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography"
<jon@k...> wrote:
>
> It's always very satisfying to finish a boatbuilding project, so I
> had a couple of beers and lit up a big, fat cigar last Sunday
after
> completing my Long Dory. I'd be interested to hear what people
think
> of the interior paint color.
>http://www.kolbsadventures.com/long_dory_1.htm

What do we think about the interior paint colour?!?! Never mind the
colour,dammit! What really has my eyes vibrating and
my...er....um...."nuts" hanging particularly low is the complete and
utter lack of sawdust,wood shavings,off-cuts,empty beer
cases,"sleeping soldiers" or even a scrap of paper with scribbled
notes on it, laying about your shop!!!! And as if that wasn't enough
to just about send one completely off his bloody rocker crying for
his mommy, you've got tons of wood stacked in there too!!!And with
about as much gnashing of the teeth as you care to endure,a honest-
ta-goodness shop!!!
Oh for the love of all things holy and sweet baby Jesus,why is it
always those with no visible evidence of their real work(sweat
equity) that seem to build the finest examples of our Heros boats?
Why must so many of us toil endlessly amidst an ever growing layer
of sawdust/woodchips/off-cuts/beer-caps which at times threatens to
swallow us
whole before the end of the day? Oh the misery! Oh the stench of
fear that lingers in our boat shops!(or is it composting wood chips
we smell?) Whatever! This is all just plain unfair and may well
boarder on cruel and unusual taunting.Ah yes,although that big
millstone,the wheel of justice,may turn ever slowly in heaven,it
does mill very very fine indeed! I pray for your eternal soul Jon
that you may escape this ultimate justice for having taunted and
teased us so.
Of course,with a wee bit of "liquid convincing",I could put in a
good word fer ya with my buddy St.Pete which will just about ensure
you escape the "wheel" and end up with an air-conditioned suit at
the end of the day :-)

Oh rats!,I may as well....gnash,gnash.....quit beating around the
bush...gnash,gnash,gnash.....come right out and say it....gnashing
even faster......she's an absolutely gorgeous and splendid
rendering Jon and I hope for you and yours to have many safe and
fond experiences with her!

There now,I've said it and it's done. You may amuse yourself with
attempting to imagine how much we all await eagerly for further
progress pictures from the"next" boat,but you will under-estimate
the eagerness :-)

I would also like to humbly suggest,with no more force then that of
a small note laid gently upon a deep rich carpet and slid timidly
beneath a closed heavy wooden door:

STOP WORRYING ABOUT THE EXPANDING FOAM RIGHT NOW! YOU'VE NOTHING TO
WORRY ABOUT THE WAY YOU BUILD BOATS!


Thanks for the photos Jon!


Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan,who can only dream of such ideal work shop settings as
Jon's...sigh....but strives heartedly...gnash,gnash...to build just
as good,from along ths hsores of the nippy St.Lawrence...........


and yet,there exist amongst us,at this very moment, an alleged
amateur builder,who claims to have done an absolutely bang up,nay!
stunning! job with a Bolger Stretched dory
See www.shawandtenney.com for a formula to determine oar length. Most
commercial oars are heavy and poorly balanced. Makung oars is not
particularly difficult and balanced sprice oars are a lot better for
recreational rowing than the ash oars. If you can lay your hands on a copy
of R D Culler's Boats, Oars, and Rowing, there are detailed instructions for
building oars. Woodenboat published the oar building chapter under the
title "The Long Oars of Pete Culler" and republished the article in one of
their books 25 Woodworking Projects.

The only drawback to making your own oars is that it will take a little
time, winter is coming, and if I had just finshed a boat as pretty as yours,
I would want to put it in the water now!

John T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Glasscock" <glasscocklanding@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Long Dory Completed, FastBrick Next, Foam Issue


> Jon, my vague recollection is 7' oars. My advice is
> to experiment with cheap oars for length, and when you
> get it right, buy a good set. If, like me, you have
> never rowed a boat built for the purpose, you will not
> believe how this thing goes under oars. She deserves
> a good set, and you can always use the others for when
> you have two oarsmen in her. You will find she is
> very attentive to proper trim--you have to keep the
> skeg in the water to drive her straight. She will
> also be very sensitve to balance athwartship. But
> when you get her right, she will scoon along like you
> will not believe. Sam
>
> --- adventures_in_astrophotography
> <jon@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> > Wow, what a beauty. I built a long dory ten years
>> > ago, and (while not as nicely finished as
>> Venusian) it
>> > was the most beautiful boat I have ever owned. It
>> > rowed like a dream. I could kick myself for
>> building
>> > it out of underlayment, which delaminated in about
>> > three years. I gave it away, it was never
>> restored
>> > (it would have been easier and better to just
>> build a
>> > new one, anyway) and I see her mouldering away on
>> a
>> > mudbank from time to time. I keep a picture of
>> her,
>> > though. What lines. Farewell, Sargassum.
>>
>> Thanks very much! Do you recall what length oars
>> you found to work
>> best with Sargassum? I'm sorry to hear of her
>> demise - it must be
>> particularly painful to have to see her in that
>> state when you do.
>>
>> Jon Kolb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hi Bill,

> Interestingly, I independently chose exactly the same colour scheme
for my Peach Pie pram. Either we've both got exquisite taste, or . . .?

Quite obviously it's the exquisite taste inherent to astronomically-
minded folk.

Jon Kolb
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Waters" <dgw@d...> wrote:
>
Hi Derek,

> Gorgeous!

Thanks!

> More than once I've heard it suggested that for a cruiser, this is a
poor
> idea. When the crew go ashore and leave their dinghy tied up, they've
left a
> clear advertisement as to which boat is likely to be unoccupied.
Paranoia
> perhaps?

I hadn't thought about that consideration - thanks for mentioning it.
I don't think it's paranoia, just a simple common sense idea.

Jon Kolb
"...Since she's to be Auriga's launch, I'm wondering if there is a custom to
paint
the mothership's name on her...."

I came across an amusing combination of ship/tender names a few years ago.

The ship was called "She" and the tender was called "Careful". Inscribed on the transom was "Careful, She's tender"

Bill

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>It's always very satisfying to finish a boatbuilding project, so I
had a couple of beers and lit up a big, fat cigar last Sunday after
completing my Long Dory. I'd be interested to hear what people think
of the interior paint color.>>>

Interestingly, I independently chose exactly the same colour scheme for my Peach Pie pram. Either we've both got exquisite taste, or . . .?

Bill



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Jon,
You do such beautiful work!
So clean and careful! An Artisan you are.

I can't wait to see the fastbrick finished out.

I don't know what is "proper" but I think any boat as nice as a boat
you build should have it's own name.
Rhett
Jon--Great job--good looking boat! I suspect that the blue will be lighter
in daylight. It appears to be various shades in the pictures depending on
how much light is in each picture.

I'll be interested to here how she performs with a single rower.

John T
----- Original Message -----
From: "adventures_in_astrophotography" <jon@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: [bolger] Long Dory Completed, FastBrick Next, Foam Issue


> It's always very satisfying to finish a boatbuilding project, so I
> had a couple of beers and lit up a big, fat cigar last Sunday after
> completing my Long Dory. I'd be interested to hear what people think
> of the interior paint color.
>http://www.kolbsadventures.com/long_dory_1.htm
>
> I've named her Venusian since she's so shapely. I hope to launch her
> either next weekend or the following and for the first time in my
> life row a boat designed specifically for rowing.
>
> FastBrick meanwhile has finally recovered from the epoxy mix ratio
> debacle on her interior floor. I've got a good sheathing of glass
> with a solid epoxy coating down now, and progress in finishing her
> should come quickly. With luck, I'll be painting her before
> Thanksgiving. Haven't come up with a name for her yet. Since she's
> to be Auriga's launch, I'm wondering if there is a custom to paint
> the mothership's name on her. Can anyone enlighten me on that?
>
> I've explained the expanding/contracting foam issue to PB&F and await
> a reply. Meanwhile, I'm letting the samples sit in my house for a
> few weeks at room temperature and some 2200 feet lower elevation than
> my shop. I'll measure them again before sending them to Peter for
> measurement at sea level.
>
> The next filler project is a Diablo, which is all cut out and ready
> for hull assembly. As soon as something is curing or drying on
> FastBrick, she'll get tacked together and the taping will begin.
> Probably this weekend. The layout for a Gypsy has also begun, but
> I'm waiting on PCB to get back to me on whether he'd approve a
> spritsail rig for her - I'd like the spars to stow in the boat.
> Assuming that I will enjoy rowing a real rowboat as much as I'm
> expecting to, I'm also planning on knocking a Michalak Robote
> together once FastBrick is done. Still the Clam Skiff plans call to
> me from across the shop. One day, perhaps...
>
> Jon Kolb
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Hi Jon

"...I've named her Venusian since she's so shapely."

Gorgeous!

"...Since she's to be Auriga's launch, I'm wondering if there is a custom to
paint
the mothership's name on her...."

More than once I've heard it suggested that for a cruiser, this is a poor
idea. When the crew go ashore and leave their dinghy tied up, they've left a
clear advertisement as to which boat is likely to be unoccupied. Paranoia
perhaps?

cheers
Derek
Jon, my vague recollection is 7' oars. My advice is
to experiment with cheap oars for length, and when you
get it right, buy a good set. If, like me, you have
never rowed a boat built for the purpose, you will not
believe how this thing goes under oars. She deserves
a good set, and you can always use the others for when
you have two oarsmen in her. You will find she is
very attentive to proper trim--you have to keep the
skeg in the water to drive her straight. She will
also be very sensitve to balance athwartship. But
when you get her right, she will scoon along like you
will not believe. Sam

--- adventures_in_astrophotography
<jon@...> wrote:

> Hi Sam,
>
> > Wow, what a beauty. I built a long dory ten years
> > ago, and (while not as nicely finished as
> Venusian) it
> > was the most beautiful boat I have ever owned. It
> > rowed like a dream. I could kick myself for
> building
> > it out of underlayment, which delaminated in about
> > three years. I gave it away, it was never
> restored
> > (it would have been easier and better to just
> build a
> > new one, anyway) and I see her mouldering away on
> a
> > mudbank from time to time. I keep a picture of
> her,
> > though. What lines. Farewell, Sargassum.
>
> Thanks very much! Do you recall what length oars
> you found to work
> best with Sargassum? I'm sorry to hear of her
> demise - it must be
> particularly painful to have to see her in that
> state when you do.
>
> Jon Kolb
>
>
>
>




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> the first time in my
> life row a boat designed specifically for rowing.

You will like it I bet. 'Human power' is such low power
that a dedicated 'rowing design' is warranted, IMO.

Pretty boat, congratulations.
Hi Sam,

> Wow, what a beauty. I built a long dory ten years
> ago, and (while not as nicely finished as Venusian) it
> was the most beautiful boat I have ever owned. It
> rowed like a dream. I could kick myself for building
> it out of underlayment, which delaminated in about
> three years. I gave it away, it was never restored
> (it would have been easier and better to just build a
> new one, anyway) and I see her mouldering away on a
> mudbank from time to time. I keep a picture of her,
> though. What lines. Farewell, Sargassum.

Thanks very much! Do you recall what length oars you found to work
best with Sargassum? I'm sorry to hear of her demise - it must be
particularly painful to have to see her in that state when you do.

Jon Kolb
--- adventures_in_astrophotography
<jon@...> wrote:

> It's always very satisfying to finish a boatbuilding
> project, so I
> had a couple of beers and lit up a big, fat cigar
> last Sunday after
> completing my Long Dory.

Wow, what a beauty. I built a long dory ten years
ago, and (while not as nicely finished as Venusian) it
was the most beautiful boat I have ever owned. It
rowed like a dream. I could kick myself for building
it out of underlayment, which delaminated in about
three years. I gave it away, it was never restored
(it would have been easier and better to just build a
new one, anyway) and I see her mouldering away on a
mudbank from time to time. I keep a picture of her,
though. What lines. Farewell, Sargassum.



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It's always very satisfying to finish a boatbuilding project, so I
had a couple of beers and lit up a big, fat cigar last Sunday after
completing my Long Dory. I'd be interested to hear what people think
of the interior paint color.
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/long_dory_1.htm

I've named her Venusian since she's so shapely. I hope to launch her
either next weekend or the following and for the first time in my
life row a boat designed specifically for rowing.

FastBrick meanwhile has finally recovered from the epoxy mix ratio
debacle on her interior floor. I've got a good sheathing of glass
with a solid epoxy coating down now, and progress in finishing her
should come quickly. With luck, I'll be painting her before
Thanksgiving. Haven't come up with a name for her yet. Since she's
to be Auriga's launch, I'm wondering if there is a custom to paint
the mothership's name on her. Can anyone enlighten me on that?

I've explained the expanding/contracting foam issue to PB&F and await
a reply. Meanwhile, I'm letting the samples sit in my house for a
few weeks at room temperature and some 2200 feet lower elevation than
my shop. I'll measure them again before sending them to Peter for
measurement at sea level.

The next filler project is a Diablo, which is all cut out and ready
for hull assembly. As soon as something is curing or drying on
FastBrick, she'll get tacked together and the taping will begin.
Probably this weekend. The layout for a Gypsy has also begun, but
I'm waiting on PCB to get back to me on whether he'd approve a
spritsail rig for her - I'd like the spars to stow in the boat.
Assuming that I will enjoy rowing a real rowboat as much as I'm
expecting to, I'm also planning on knocking a Michalak Robote
together once FastBrick is done. Still the Clam Skiff plans call to
me from across the shop. One day, perhaps...

Jon Kolb
http://www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm