Re: Champlain as Home....... a bit late but...........

>> ......and Nels is the only person on earth to have ever posted full
> interior shots of "LESTAT" on the net despite my having owned her
> for 10 years and never getting around to it...imagine that :-)
> .....and just for the record,both Nels and Sue are prettier in
> person then those little pictures could ever suggest.Me..? I'm just
> a rogue and boat bum happy to meet new faces and play boatbuilder:-D

> Hi Tim,
>
> If you connected to the link above that IS WINDERMERE'S bottom in
> the photos. Also that is me in the yellow t-shirt in the last two
> photos, standing with Peter, and LESTAT, his Micro is in the
> background. I had just purchased it:-)
>
> The lady in the photo with me was visiting from Norway and she

> some of the photos and also is the only person on earth to have

> inside a Micro, a Jochems Schooner (Bjorn Harbo's) and underneath

> WINDERMERE!
>
> Phil Bolger himself has been inside LESTAT and sailed in the
> prototype WDJ Schooner, but I don't think he has been under a
> WINDERMERE bottom yet:-)
>
> Nels

> Peter, that underbody looks like something nature gave us.

> And the underbody for Windermere is similar? Champlain too?....Have

> read "Out of Control" by Kevin Kelly? One of the topics is how

> is advancing by copying nature. One of my favorite reads

> opened my eyes and I thank ye.....Tim

>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@h...>
wrote:
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
> > >
> > Peter, that underbody looks like something nature gave us.
> Fascinating!
> > And the underbody for Windermere is similar? Champlain
> too?....Have you
> > read "Out of Control" by Kevin Kelly? One of the topics is how
> science
> > is advancing by copying nature. One of my favorite reads
> BTW....You've
> > opened my eyes and I thank ye.....Tim
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> If you connected to the link above that IS WINDERMERE'S bottom in
> the photos. Also that is me in the yellow t-shirt in the last two
> photos, standing with Peter, and LESTAT, his Micro is in the
> background. I had just purchased it:-)
>
> The lady in the photo with me was visiting from Norway and she
took
> some of the photos and also is the only person on earth to have
been
> inside a Micro, a Jochems Schooner (Bjorn Harbo's) and underneath
a
> WINDERMERE!
>
> Phil Bolger himself has been inside LESTAT and sailed in the
> prototype WDJ Schooner, but I don't think he has been under a
> WINDERMERE bottom yet:-)
>
> Nels
>

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
> >
> Peter, that underbody looks like something nature gave us.

> And the underbody for Windermere is similar? Champlain

> read "Out of Control" by Kevin Kelly? One of the topics is how

> is advancing by copying nature. One of my favorite reads

> opened my eyes and I thank ye.....Tim

> I can appreciate your ,oh-no-not-another-sharpie-hull-shape-to
> loosen-the-remaining-teeth-in-me-head-as-I-pound-my-way-up-the-coast
> concerns BUT.......have you seen the really sweet entry that Bolger
> offers on the "new and improved box keel sharpies"? Ought to be a
> smooth and quite as anything out there:-)
> check this out,near the bottom,beginning with pictures dated
> Nov9,2003
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@h...> wrote:
I would
> prefer not to go with another sharpie, if I can help it, as they
> pound in Puget Sound. Devlin's 30' Czarinna fills the hull bill
> better, but precious storage is taken-up by putting diesels under
the
> bunks......

Hi Tim,
I can appreciate your ,oh-no-not-another-sharpie-hull-shape-to
loosen-the-remaining-teeth-in-me-head-as-I-pound-my-way-up-the-coast
concerns BUT.......have you seen the really sweet entry that Bolger
offers on the "new and improved box keel sharpies"? Ought to be a
smooth and quite as anything out there:-)
check this out,near the bottom,beginning with pictures dated
Nov9,2003

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/WINDERMERE/

Czarina is a handsome boat and Devlin does a top-shelf job but;
she wastes alot of valuable "inside" living space with her large aft
cockpit and forward of the pilot house.Do you really want to have to
crawl into your master stateroom,up forward,each night? Windermere
offers full standing headroom everywhere and a clean no-through-
hulls interior.Power is provided with an efficient 4 stroke hanging
off the rear which also makes it easily serviced while keeping the
stink,spills and noise outside the living envelope.I could not
possibly conceive,at this stage in my life,not enjoying full
standing headroom everywhere and especially in the master
stateroom.Talk about putting a dent in ones repetoire of bedroom
antics.Besides,where in blazes will I ever put my big polished
chrome pole :-)

But it is your choice and the hunting grounds are richly endowed
with many a critter to please and appease.Another look at
Windermere's abundant square and cubic feet of enclosed sheltered
secure living space is worth considering verse other boats of
similar length.And do not forget too that Windermere is fully
insulated for year round pleasure.....

O.K.,enough of me and my cheapo salesman pitch.Do your homework Tim
and I am confident that the boat you settle on will be the one that
best suits your needs,and budget, as you see fit.Greatly in your
favour is your own accumulated live-a-board experience already.You
have a better then most appreciation for what you can put up with or
not and what you would really like to have the most in your boat.

Happy hunting and keep us posted !


Sincerely,

Peter Lenihan,boat-bum,guzzler of juices various,pirate wannabe
but,alas,not a salesman,from along the cold shores of the
St.Lawrence..............

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@h...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sorry about getting on to this so late and all but have been away
> busy with Windermere :-)
>
> As for using a Champlain for living aboard,here is what Bolger had
> to say in Watercraft magazine No.36 Nov./Dec 2002.
> "Mild four season living aboard would require moderate thermal
> upgrades but single folks have lived with less comfort in smaller
> environs then Champlain offers as a home.For more full-time
> liveaboard space there is Windermere".......

> > ****Thanks Peter, I'll look more closely at Windermere. I would

>

> /
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@h...> wrote:



Sorry about getting on to this so late and all but have been away
busy with Windermere :-)

As for using a Champlain for living aboard,here is what Bolger had
to say in Watercraft magazine No.36 Nov./Dec 2002.
"Mild four season living aboard would require moderate thermal
upgrades but single folks have lived with less comfort in smaller
environs then Champlain offers as a home.For more full-time
liveaboard space there is Windermere".......

Based on my own particular needs and having visited a couple of
Champlains,it would appear that to really get comfortable living
aboard full-time on a Champlain would require a highly organized and
spartan approach to living.Her interior,while spacious as all get
out for a 22 footer,does have limited usefull acreage due in part to
its'generous fenestration.In fact,Bolger manages to successfuly pull
off this small-boat-big-inside trick with clever devices(like the
galley converting to helm station and back),and a very dense
arrangement.The openings to view far away horizons help immensely to
relieve some of this density.Shelving is indicated but of rather
limited capacity. One could certainly do away with a couple of
windows,aft,on both sides to gain wall space for shelving so long as
one keeps in mind that weight placed high and outboard is generally
not a good thing for overall/ultimate stability.
Would stretching her out a few feet help? Most
certainly.However,this sort of thing is usually best done with the
professional consent and advice of the (a) designer to keep
potential heart-breaks,panic-parties and risks(your money/your life)
to a minimum.Convincing Bolger to design say a 26foot version
(Huron?) would be a worthy achievement in itself and would indeed
fill something of a void between Champlains dense(compact) 22 foot
length and Windermeres' right-on-the-edge-of-towing-comfort 31 foot
length.
And speaking of towing,here is what Bolger has to say regarding
Windermere:
"Maximum trailer-with-load length on standard civilian license
plates and without special permits in Massachusetts is(was) 33'.
Minor"fudge" factor included measuring her on the highway.....Two
feet for trailer tongue-length seems marginal,but with mindful
maneuvering and her resonably slender bow we deemed it just "good
enough" for a 5000-6000 lbs. two-axle trailer(depending on ply
species) and a medium weight tractor vehicle like SUVs,full-size
trucks/vans,and the surviving fleet of high-end station-wagons to
assemble a new/used rig to any budget and annual mileage
expectations,starting in the low 4$ digits.For just twice a year
movement a commercial hauler may be cheapest."

As for books,Windermere has "18 feet of secure bookshelf length" and
that is not including any racks set up in the head for journals
while tuning the thunderbucket :-)

Windermere may be too big for your present needs/requirements/wants
but there is a certain comfort in knowing that you can always grow
into her spacious interior and I do like very much the non over-
lapping dedicated living spaces afford by her relatively modest
size.Remember too,she is under 8' wide inside!

Have fun reviewing your choices and good luck if you do commission a
26 footer.Just be patient since Hugo,Dave&Sue,and who knows how many
others are ahead of you,paying homage to our Hero with their own
design works-in-progress.

Sincerely,

Peter come-lately Lenihan, listening to the gentle pitter-patter
of....rain?....in late November?......here?....whatthehellisgoingon
along the shores of the St.Lawrence.............



















>
> The more I hang-out with Champlain the more in love I grow. I now
live
> on a Nimble Nomad I named Cattail. One of the modifications I had
to
> make to Cattail to make her a home was to add bookcases. I do not
see
> how to do this to Champlain without stretching her 3'. What I see
is 2
> 18" pull-out cases at the end of each berth, something like the
dishes
> pull-out. I've heard altering a Bolger design disturbs the genius
of
> the design. Ya'll think this stretch too radical? Ya'll got any
other
> ideas? I wouldn't want to use the under berth drawers for
> books...........Thanks, Tim ....Champlain Link
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Champlain
/
>

>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@h...> wrote:
> >
> > The more I hang-out with Champlain the more in love I grow. I now
> live
> > on a Nimble Nomad I named Cattail.
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I notice that Nimble Boats Works is back buiding boats again!
>
> Any idea what a new Nomad would cost? Dare I ask? Looks like a really
> great design. As is the Kodiak and the Wanderer.
>
>http://www.nimbleboat.net/boats.asp
>

> Any idea what a new Nomad would cost? Dare I ask? Looks like a

> great design. As is the Kodiak and the Wanderer.
>
>http://www.nimbleboat.net/boats.asp

>
> The more I hang-out with Champlain the more in love I grow. I now

> on a Nimble Nomad I named Cattail.

> Thanks EVERYONE! I do like all those windows. You can really
> experience where you are anchored that way. Reminds me of Thoreau
> caging himself near the birds.......The V28 would be fast enough to
> get out of its own way if need be and still have the windows.
> Hmmm?......Given Bruce's comments I'll ponder the original design
> some more. I'm not a naval architect.......I am tring to stay at a
> smaller size toward what I call an old man's boat. More manageable
> because it is small........Love this group, Capt

>
> Here are a couple of links you might find interesting. Mark Van
> Abbema designed,built, and lives aboard the MarkV39.
>
>http://markvdesigns.tripod.com/boatbuilding/id12.html
>
> He is designing a 28" Trailerable:
>
>http://markvdesigns.tripod.com/boatbuilding/id16.html
>
> Vince Chew
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captainbws" <captainbws@h...> wrote:
>
> The more I hang-out with Champlain the more in love I grow. I now
live
> on a Nimble Nomad I named Cattail. One of the modifications I had
to
> make to Cattail to make her a home was to add bookcases. I do not
see
> how to do this to Champlain without stretching her 3'. What I see
is 2
> 18" pull-out cases at the end of each berth, something like the
dishes
> pull-out. I've heard altering a Bolger design disturbs the genius
of
> the design. Ya'll think this stretch too radical? Ya'll got any
other
> ideas? I wouldn't want to use the under berth drawers for
> books...........Thanks, Tim ....Champlain Link
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Champlain
/
>

> One of the modifications I had to
> make to Cattail to make her a home was to add bookcases.

> make to Cattail to make her a home was to add bookcases. I do not see
> how to do this to Champlain without stretching her 3'. What I see is 2