Re: Borate as a rot rx--was green plywood
My cotage is finished with vertical wood boards.
As you know, with rain droping
years after years on the gallery, balcony etc...
the one feet and a haft down the wall got black
with fungies either the wood was treated in that
time with outdoor stain or not.
Fortunatly after reading about éthylène glycol
I gave it a try. With a garden sprayer and with 50% of
water to dilute, I sprayed all the black stains It was
around october and we never go there in winter.
The year after I did not notice any chage as I came
back there but I noticed that the spring rains washed
away all the black (the fungies)and desapered rain
after rains.
I can assure you that right now my docks with that
treatment after six ears always look as new.
And I will never stain or paint it. Just the
sheapest motor coolant with 50% of water.
Take care of not breathing the mist.
ROGER.
As you know, with rain droping
years after years on the gallery, balcony etc...
the one feet and a haft down the wall got black
with fungies either the wood was treated in that
time with outdoor stain or not.
Fortunatly after reading about éthylène glycol
I gave it a try. With a garden sprayer and with 50% of
water to dilute, I sprayed all the black stains It was
around october and we never go there in winter.
The year after I did not notice any chage as I came
back there but I noticed that the spring rains washed
away all the black (the fungies)and desapered rain
after rains.
I can assure you that right now my docks with that
treatment after six ears always look as new.
And I will never stain or paint it. Just the
sheapest motor coolant with 50% of water.
Take care of not breathing the mist.
ROGER.
> We get a lot of rain in south GA and concrete driveways get ablack
> fungus in the pores. Marble headstones get it too. Where a carleaks a
> little antifreeze we have a clean circle on the driveway thatlasts for
> years.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "doug6949" <doug6949@y...> wrote:
fungus in the pores. Marble headstones get it too. Where a car leaks a
little antifreeze we have a clean circle on the driveway that lasts for
years.
>We get a lot of rain in south GA and concrete driveways get a black
> Ethylene glycol is a highly effective antifungal and makes a good
> storage preservative for wood. However, propylene glycol works just as
> well and is nontoxic to warm blooded animals.
fungus in the pores. Marble headstones get it too. Where a car leaks a
little antifreeze we have a clean circle on the driveway that lasts for
years.
Ethylene glycol is a highly effective antifungal and makes a good
storage preservative for wood. However, propylene glycol works just as
well and is nontoxic to warm blooded animals.
Dave Carnell mentioned PG as an alternative but did not elaborate, as
he had not done much follow-up research on it. I did the follow-up. We
are currently using PG to effectively treat a tropical skin fungus
called penau. This is on the advise from a physician in Malaysia. It
works better than the $100 crap we got from a dermatologist.
Propylene glycol is not only an effective antifungal, it is used
throughout the world to treat skin fungal infections. As for toxicity,
well, PG is also used in food and cosmetics. Various nontoxic
automotive antifreeze formulations such as Sierra are made from PG.
The antifreeze used in travel trailer plumbing for winter storage is PG.
Woodcrafters have used antifreeze (EG and PG) for years to prevent
decay and cracking of lumber during the drying process. Unfortunately,
it leaches out very quickly in water-saturated wood. Therefore, it
isn't very useful in a boat.
Doug
storage preservative for wood. However, propylene glycol works just as
well and is nontoxic to warm blooded animals.
Dave Carnell mentioned PG as an alternative but did not elaborate, as
he had not done much follow-up research on it. I did the follow-up. We
are currently using PG to effectively treat a tropical skin fungus
called penau. This is on the advise from a physician in Malaysia. It
works better than the $100 crap we got from a dermatologist.
Propylene glycol is not only an effective antifungal, it is used
throughout the world to treat skin fungal infections. As for toxicity,
well, PG is also used in food and cosmetics. Various nontoxic
automotive antifreeze formulations such as Sierra are made from PG.
The antifreeze used in travel trailer plumbing for winter storage is PG.
Woodcrafters have used antifreeze (EG and PG) for years to prevent
decay and cracking of lumber during the drying process. Unfortunately,
it leaches out very quickly in water-saturated wood. Therefore, it
isn't very useful in a boat.
Doug
Well here we are wondering if the neighbors dog is going to lick our
boats and die. I was just at a site that says they tested EG in a spray
for killing Avian flue. We are worrying about putting it in wood in our
boats then covering it with epoxy or paint. That doesn't seem so
reckless as compared to the health department concidering spraying it
on trucks or anything else that moves from place to place and comes in
contact with birds.
It is not much good as a preservative for fence posts or decks
because it is washed out by water. If it's painted or epoxied over it
won't wash out. There is very little use for that except maybe a few
boat builders. Nobody cares whether a house rots or not as most people
sell them in about five years and then it's somebody elses problem.
When I was a kid we built skiffs and painted them all over with
copper bottom paint thinned with gasoline. Of course back then gasoline
had lead in it and nobody built a boat out of anything but tight grained
old growth lumber. My sister and her husband have a skiff that I built
when I was 14 years old. I am now 71 so it held up pretty good.
By the way, the pink in a pinky schooner came from the copper paint
that was mixed into the white or in some cases on newer boats it just
leached out into the white paint.
Doug
Nels wrote:
boats and die. I was just at a site that says they tested EG in a spray
for killing Avian flue. We are worrying about putting it in wood in our
boats then covering it with epoxy or paint. That doesn't seem so
reckless as compared to the health department concidering spraying it
on trucks or anything else that moves from place to place and comes in
contact with birds.
It is not much good as a preservative for fence posts or decks
because it is washed out by water. If it's painted or epoxied over it
won't wash out. There is very little use for that except maybe a few
boat builders. Nobody cares whether a house rots or not as most people
sell them in about five years and then it's somebody elses problem.
When I was a kid we built skiffs and painted them all over with
copper bottom paint thinned with gasoline. Of course back then gasoline
had lead in it and nobody built a boat out of anything but tight grained
old growth lumber. My sister and her husband have a skiff that I built
when I was 14 years old. I am now 71 so it held up pretty good.
By the way, the pink in a pinky schooner came from the copper paint
that was mixed into the white or in some cases on newer boats it just
leached out into the white paint.
Doug
Nels wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@m...>
> wrote:
> >
> > No one who sells EG can claim it is useful as a preservative because
> it is
> > not registered with the EPA as such. If it had an industrial use as a
> > preservative, it would almost certainly be registered.
> >
> > (One of the businesses I've worked in is in the marketing of
> > antimicrobials/antifungals for the preservation of wood pulp and
> other
> > substances.)
>
> It may be a useful reminder to consider that the solvents used in a
> lot of wood preservatives are also toxic. I think they are used as the
> penetrating medium to carry the actual preservatives into the vicinity
> of the wood cells before evaporating, and leaving the preservative
> salts more or less inert if left undisturbed.
>
> When visiting my Viking homeland I saw wooden structures as old as 400
> years or more that are still sound. Seems they used a mixture of tar
> and turpentine as preservatives, as well as using wood that were
> natturally decay resistant. Also the ones that are the most sound used
> wooden fasteners or interlocking joints, or iron fastenings. Not
> relevant of course to modern boatbuilding but interesting to observe.
>
> Bolger states in BWAOM: Page 193
>
> "The Vikings admired weapon-skill, good luck, and self respect. Among
> them were craftsmen who produced some of the greatest art in history,
> and their vessels were the most highly perfected wooden structures
> ever created."
>
> Personally I consider Mr, Bolger as a genius of our time - using the
> true definition of genius - and his words are worth considering. We
> are extremely lucky to have him in our midst. I often wish we could
> somehow honour his ability while he is still with us.
>
> Nels
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@m...>
wrote:
lot of wood preservatives are also toxic. I think they are used as the
penetrating medium to carry the actual preservatives into the vicinity
of the wood cells before evaporating, and leaving the preservative
salts more or less inert if left undisturbed.
When visiting my Viking homeland I saw wooden structures as old as 400
years or more that are still sound. Seems they used a mixture of tar
and turpentine as preservatives, as well as using wood that were
natturally decay resistant. Also the ones that are the most sound used
wooden fasteners or interlocking joints, or iron fastenings. Not
relevant of course to modern boatbuilding but interesting to observe.
Bolger states in BWAOM: Page 193
"The Vikings admired weapon-skill, good luck, and self respect. Among
them were craftsmen who produced some of the greatest art in history,
and their vessels were the most highly perfected wooden structures
ever created."
Personally I consider Mr, Bolger as a genius of our time - using the
true definition of genius - and his words are worth considering. We
are extremely lucky to have him in our midst. I often wish we could
somehow honour his ability while he is still with us.
Nels
wrote:
>it is
> No one who sells EG can claim it is useful as a preservative because
> not registered with the EPA as such. If it had an industrial use as aother
> preservative, it would almost certainly be registered.
>
> (One of the businesses I've worked in is in the marketing of
> antimicrobials/antifungals for the preservation of wood pulp and
> substances.)It may be a useful reminder to consider that the solvents used in a
lot of wood preservatives are also toxic. I think they are used as the
penetrating medium to carry the actual preservatives into the vicinity
of the wood cells before evaporating, and leaving the preservative
salts more or less inert if left undisturbed.
When visiting my Viking homeland I saw wooden structures as old as 400
years or more that are still sound. Seems they used a mixture of tar
and turpentine as preservatives, as well as using wood that were
natturally decay resistant. Also the ones that are the most sound used
wooden fasteners or interlocking joints, or iron fastenings. Not
relevant of course to modern boatbuilding but interesting to observe.
Bolger states in BWAOM: Page 193
"The Vikings admired weapon-skill, good luck, and self respect. Among
them were craftsmen who produced some of the greatest art in history,
and their vessels were the most highly perfected wooden structures
ever created."
Personally I consider Mr, Bolger as a genius of our time - using the
true definition of genius - and his words are worth considering. We
are extremely lucky to have him in our midst. I often wish we could
somehow honour his ability while he is still with us.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@m...>
wrote:
Would you perchance know how to keep fresh cut pine wood from
developing 'blue stain'? It's a fungasy mold sort of thing that is hard
to keep from developing in humid areas and although doesn't hurt the
wood structurally it turns the sapwood grey. Sam
wrote:
> (One of the businesses I've worked in is in the marketing ofJohn,
> antimicrobials/antifungals for the preservation of wood pulp and other
> substances.)
Would you perchance know how to keep fresh cut pine wood from
developing 'blue stain'? It's a fungasy mold sort of thing that is hard
to keep from developing in humid areas and although doesn't hurt the
wood structurally it turns the sapwood grey. Sam
No one who sells EG can claim it is useful as a preservative because it is
not registered with the EPA as such. If it had an industrial use as a
preservative, it would almost certainly be registered.
(One of the businesses I've worked in is in the marketing of
antimicrobials/antifungals for the preservation of wood pulp and other
substances.)
not registered with the EPA as such. If it had an industrial use as a
preservative, it would almost certainly be registered.
(One of the businesses I've worked in is in the marketing of
antimicrobials/antifungals for the preservation of wood pulp and other
substances.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:06 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Borate as a rot rx--was green plywood
> It is still my opinion that some of Dave's suggested uses for anti-
> freeze are off base. Not just because it is dangerous, but because
> better (cheaper, safer or more effective) alternatives are
> available. As you say, hazardous materials can be used safely.
> (Duh) However, Dave has suggested a number of uses that you will
> not find on those properly labeled jugs that you mentioned.
>
> It seems likely that ethylene glycol is not marketed as a wood
> preservative either because it doesn't work very well or because the
> manufacturers don't want the liability. I believe that most
> manufacturers would consider low production cost to be a good thing.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cosermann" <arielmiller@h...> wrote:
> >
> > So we think he's off base, because it's "dangerous"? Duh. Lots of
> > things are dangerous/hazardous. Just be careful. The problem is
> the
> > carelessness of ignorant people. MANY dangerous/hazardous things
> are
> > used routinely yet remain quite "safe" due to proper handling.
> >
> > If we didn't make use of things just because they were "dangerous"
> we'd
> > unnecessarily deprive ourselves of many useful items. Every jug of
> > antifreeze I've ever seen is properly labeled with the appropriate
> > cautions/warnings. All people need to do is read.
> >
> > BTW - While we're speculating, I suspect it's not promoted as a
> wood
> > preservative because it's so cheap. There's more money to be made
> on
> > expensive wood preservatives.
> >
> > To Dave's credit he does state on his web site that,
> > "Glycol's toxicity to humans is low enough that it has to be
> > deliberately ingested (about a half cup for a 150 lb. human); many
> > millions of gallons are used annually with few precautions and
> without
> > incident. It should not be left where children or pets can get at
> it,
> > as smaller doses would harm them, and they may be attracted by its
> > reported sweet taste that I have confirmed by accident. The lethal
> dose
> > of borates is smaller than of glycol, but the bitter taste makes
> > accidental consumption less likely."
> >
> > Here are some safety facts on the subject for those interested:
> >http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html
> >http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/e5125.htm
> >
> > Personally, I'd rather work with ethylene glycol than epoxy any day
> of
> > the week.
> >
> > > Dave Carnell has been promoting anti-freeze for many uses. I
> respect
> > > his opinion on many boat building issues, but as a health
> > > professional, I think he is way off base on this. As most of you
> > > know, anti-freeze is water soluble, highly toxic, and has a sweet
> > > taste. A very dangerous combination for animals and children, it
> > > kills many pets every year. I suspect there are also some other
> > > reasons that it is not promoted or used as a medical treatment or
> as
> > > a wood preservative.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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An old timer told me while looking at a boat that was for sale. She
is rotten I can smell it from here ( a good 30 ft away) . See those
blisters in the paint down there? "She is rotten between wind and
water". When I questioned it he said "Well the saltwater moves up
through the wood and the salt is filtered out. If there is too much
water in the wood it won't rot and not enough it won't rot . There is a
fine line where the moisture is just enough for rot to grow and that
line moves up and down as the air gets dryer and wetter."
Doug
Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
is rotten I can smell it from here ( a good 30 ft away) . See those
blisters in the paint down there? "She is rotten between wind and
water". When I questioned it he said "Well the saltwater moves up
through the wood and the salt is filtered out. If there is too much
water in the wood it won't rot and not enough it won't rot . There is a
fine line where the moisture is just enough for rot to grow and that
line moves up and down as the air gets dryer and wetter."
Doug
Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
> Old sailers will tellyou the part of the boat in the water dosen't dry
> rot easly but the part exposed to rain water will. Salt will kill dry
> rot if the bilge water is from leaks in the deck or condesation. Or so
> some old sailers say. EG is cominly used on raw wood alowed to dry then
> painted or epoxed over to limet moister that could wash it away.
>
> Jon
>
>
> > Another thought that I had as I wrote the above is that it is
> possible that
> > EG is acting as a humectant that keeps wood at a high moisture
> content that
> > is not not amiable to fungal growth. This follows the same reasoning
> that
> > old timers used to keep salt in the bilges of their boats. I don't
> know, the
> > answer to that, but it might be worth some research.
> >
> > Oh, to be independently wealthy and sufficiently bored enough to do
> the
> > experiements...
> >
> > JB
>
>
>
>
>
>
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It is still my opinion that some of Dave's suggested uses for anti-
freeze are off base. Not just because it is dangerous, but because
better (cheaper, safer or more effective) alternatives are
available. As you say, hazardous materials can be used safely.
(Duh) However, Dave has suggested a number of uses that you will
not find on those properly labeled jugs that you mentioned.
It seems likely that ethylene glycol is not marketed as a wood
preservative either because it doesn't work very well or because the
manufacturers don't want the liability. I believe that most
manufacturers would consider low production cost to be a good thing.
freeze are off base. Not just because it is dangerous, but because
better (cheaper, safer or more effective) alternatives are
available. As you say, hazardous materials can be used safely.
(Duh) However, Dave has suggested a number of uses that you will
not find on those properly labeled jugs that you mentioned.
It seems likely that ethylene glycol is not marketed as a wood
preservative either because it doesn't work very well or because the
manufacturers don't want the liability. I believe that most
manufacturers would consider low production cost to be a good thing.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cosermann" <arielmiller@h...> wrote:
>
> So we think he's off base, because it's "dangerous"? Duh. Lots of
> things are dangerous/hazardous. Just be careful. The problem is
the
> carelessness of ignorant people. MANY dangerous/hazardous things
are
> used routinely yet remain quite "safe" due to proper handling.
>
> If we didn't make use of things just because they were "dangerous"
we'd
> unnecessarily deprive ourselves of many useful items. Every jug of
> antifreeze I've ever seen is properly labeled with the appropriate
> cautions/warnings. All people need to do is read.
>
> BTW - While we're speculating, I suspect it's not promoted as a
wood
> preservative because it's so cheap. There's more money to be made
on
> expensive wood preservatives.
>
> To Dave's credit he does state on his web site that,
> "Glycol's toxicity to humans is low enough that it has to be
> deliberately ingested (about a half cup for a 150 lb. human); many
> millions of gallons are used annually with few precautions and
without
> incident. It should not be left where children or pets can get at
it,
> as smaller doses would harm them, and they may be attracted by its
> reported sweet taste that I have confirmed by accident. The lethal
dose
> of borates is smaller than of glycol, but the bitter taste makes
> accidental consumption less likely."
>
> Here are some safety facts on the subject for those interested:
>http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html
>http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/e5125.htm
>
> Personally, I'd rather work with ethylene glycol than epoxy any day
of
> the week.
>
> > Dave Carnell has been promoting anti-freeze for many uses. I
respect
> > his opinion on many boat building issues, but as a health
> > professional, I think he is way off base on this. As most of you
> > know, anti-freeze is water soluble, highly toxic, and has a sweet
> > taste. A very dangerous combination for animals and children, it
> > kills many pets every year. I suspect there are also some other
> > reasons that it is not promoted or used as a medical treatment or
as
> > a wood preservative.
>
I thought the reason for the salt was because salt water does not promote rot but fresh water does ... so when the fresh water gets in it is changed into salt water by the salt.
James Greene
James Greene
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:57:02 -0500, John Bell wrote:
> Another thought that I had as I wrote the above is that it is possible that
> EG is acting as a humectant that keeps wood at a high moisture content that
> is not not amiable to fungal growth. This follows the same reasoning that
> old timers used to keep salt in the bilges of their boats.
Old sailers will tellyou the part of the boat in the water dosen't dry
rot easly but the part exposed to rain water will. Salt will kill dry
rot if the bilge water is from leaks in the deck or condesation. Or so
some old sailers say. EG is cominly used on raw wood alowed to dry then
painted or epoxed over to limet moister that could wash it away.
Jon
rot easly but the part exposed to rain water will. Salt will kill dry
rot if the bilge water is from leaks in the deck or condesation. Or so
some old sailers say. EG is cominly used on raw wood alowed to dry then
painted or epoxed over to limet moister that could wash it away.
Jon
> Another thought that I had as I wrote the above is that it ispossible that
> EG is acting as a humectant that keeps wood at a high moisturecontent that
> is not not amiable to fungal growth. This follows the same reasoningthat
> old timers used to keep salt in the bilges of their boats. I don'tknow, the
> answer to that, but it might be worth some research.the
>
> Oh, to be independently wealthy and sufficiently bored enough to do
> experiements...
>
> JB
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John Bell" <smallboatdesigner@m...>
wrote:
not very healthy if is glassed on the outside. Especially if it gets
below freezing these days. So maybe anti-freeze might help. Also add
some to the porta potti tank if it is still in the boat. Just make
sure that pets are not using the boat as an overnight shelter.
Nels
wrote:
> Another thought that I had as I wrote the above is that it ispossible that
> EG is acting as a humectant that keeps wood at a high moisturecontent that
> is not not amiable to fungal growth. This follows the samereasoning that
> old timers used to keep salt in the bilges of their boats. I don'tknow, the
> answer to that, but it might be worth some research.do the
>
> Oh, to be independently wealthy and sufficiently bored enough to
> experiements...I guess we all know that moisture in the bilges of a plywood boat is
>
> JB
not very healthy if is glassed on the outside. Especially if it gets
below freezing these days. So maybe anti-freeze might help. Also add
some to the porta potti tank if it is still in the boat. Just make
sure that pets are not using the boat as an overnight shelter.
Nels
My biggest concern with using EG is that it is water soluble. What's to keep
it from washing out with use? For an antimicrobial to be effective, it needs
to be in the substrate at a minimum inhibitory concentration. Maybe EG is a
good anti-fungal, but at what concentration? One day I'm going to test EG
against fungi to determine the MIC. I'll wager it is pretty high, in the
10,000mg/kg range.
The products currently in use are used because the work well at low doseages
(and low costs). Also they are not appreciably water soluble so that the
concentration of the antifungal agent does not decrease with exposure to the
elements. EG will wash away over time, therefore repeat treatments will
almost certainly be necessary.
Another thought that I had as I wrote the above is that it is possible that
EG is acting as a humectant that keeps wood at a high moisture content that
is not not amiable to fungal growth. This follows the same reasoning that
old timers used to keep salt in the bilges of their boats. I don't know, the
answer to that, but it might be worth some research.
Oh, to be independently wealthy and sufficiently bored enough to do the
experiements...
JB
it from washing out with use? For an antimicrobial to be effective, it needs
to be in the substrate at a minimum inhibitory concentration. Maybe EG is a
good anti-fungal, but at what concentration? One day I'm going to test EG
against fungi to determine the MIC. I'll wager it is pretty high, in the
10,000mg/kg range.
The products currently in use are used because the work well at low doseages
(and low costs). Also they are not appreciably water soluble so that the
concentration of the antifungal agent does not decrease with exposure to the
elements. EG will wash away over time, therefore repeat treatments will
almost certainly be necessary.
Another thought that I had as I wrote the above is that it is possible that
EG is acting as a humectant that keeps wood at a high moisture content that
is not not amiable to fungal growth. This follows the same reasoning that
old timers used to keep salt in the bilges of their boats. I don't know, the
answer to that, but it might be worth some research.
Oh, to be independently wealthy and sufficiently bored enough to do the
experiements...
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "cosermann" <arielmiller@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Borate as a rot rx--was green plywood
> So we think he's off base, because it's "dangerous"? Duh. Lots of
> things are dangerous/hazardous. Just be careful. The problem is the
> carelessness of ignorant people. MANY dangerous/hazardous things are
> used routinely yet remain quite "safe" due to proper handling.
>
> If we didn't make use of things just because they were "dangerous" we'd
> unnecessarily deprive ourselves of many useful items. Every jug of
> antifreeze I've ever seen is properly labeled with the appropriate
> cautions/warnings. All people need to do is read.
>
> BTW - While we're speculating, I suspect it's not promoted as a wood
> preservative because it's so cheap. There's more money to be made on
> expensive wood preservatives.
>
> To Dave's credit he does state on his web site that,
> "Glycol's toxicity to humans is low enough that it has to be
> deliberately ingested (about a half cup for a 150 lb. human); many
> millions of gallons are used annually with few precautions and without
> incident. It should not be left where children or pets can get at it,
> as smaller doses would harm them, and they may be attracted by its
> reported sweet taste that I have confirmed by accident. The lethal dose
> of borates is smaller than of glycol, but the bitter taste makes
> accidental consumption less likely."
>
> Here are some safety facts on the subject for those interested:
>http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html
>http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/e5125.htm
>
> Personally, I'd rather work with ethylene glycol than epoxy any day of
> the week.
>
> > Dave Carnell has been promoting anti-freeze for many uses. I respect
> > his opinion on many boat building issues, but as a health
> > professional, I think he is way off base on this. As most of you
> > know, anti-freeze is water soluble, highly toxic, and has a sweet
> > taste. A very dangerous combination for animals and children, it
> > kills many pets every year. I suspect there are also some other
> > reasons that it is not promoted or used as a medical treatment or as
> > a wood preservative.
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "cosermann" <arielmiller@h...> wrote:
corner: It cost less than CDN $10 and I am not sure antifreeze would
be much cheaper nor have the penetrating ability either.
http://www.recochem.com/english/products/wood_preservatives/
Used it when building the new cradle from pressure treated wood and
the copper treated plywood. I still plan to paint it with a solid
stain.
Nels
>on
> BTW - While we're speculating, I suspect it's not promoted as a wood
> preservative because it's so cheap. There's more money to be made
> expensive wood preservatives.I used the end cut preservative shown here in the bottom left-hand
>
corner: It cost less than CDN $10 and I am not sure antifreeze would
be much cheaper nor have the penetrating ability either.
http://www.recochem.com/english/products/wood_preservatives/
Used it when building the new cradle from pressure treated wood and
the copper treated plywood. I still plan to paint it with a solid
stain.
Nels
So we think he's off base, because it's "dangerous"? Duh. Lots of
things are dangerous/hazardous. Just be careful. The problem is the
carelessness of ignorant people. MANY dangerous/hazardous things are
used routinely yet remain quite "safe" due to proper handling.
If we didn't make use of things just because they were "dangerous" we'd
unnecessarily deprive ourselves of many useful items. Every jug of
antifreeze I've ever seen is properly labeled with the appropriate
cautions/warnings. All people need to do is read.
BTW - While we're speculating, I suspect it's not promoted as a wood
preservative because it's so cheap. There's more money to be made on
expensive wood preservatives.
To Dave's credit he does state on his web site that,
"Glycol's toxicity to humans is low enough that it has to be
deliberately ingested (about a half cup for a 150 lb. human); many
millions of gallons are used annually with few precautions and without
incident. It should not be left where children or pets can get at it,
as smaller doses would harm them, and they may be attracted by its
reported sweet taste that I have confirmed by accident. The lethal dose
of borates is smaller than of glycol, but the bitter taste makes
accidental consumption less likely."
Here are some safety facts on the subject for those interested:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/e5125.htm
Personally, I'd rather work with ethylene glycol than epoxy any day of
the week.
things are dangerous/hazardous. Just be careful. The problem is the
carelessness of ignorant people. MANY dangerous/hazardous things are
used routinely yet remain quite "safe" due to proper handling.
If we didn't make use of things just because they were "dangerous" we'd
unnecessarily deprive ourselves of many useful items. Every jug of
antifreeze I've ever seen is properly labeled with the appropriate
cautions/warnings. All people need to do is read.
BTW - While we're speculating, I suspect it's not promoted as a wood
preservative because it's so cheap. There's more money to be made on
expensive wood preservatives.
To Dave's credit he does state on his web site that,
"Glycol's toxicity to humans is low enough that it has to be
deliberately ingested (about a half cup for a 150 lb. human); many
millions of gallons are used annually with few precautions and without
incident. It should not be left where children or pets can get at it,
as smaller doses would harm them, and they may be attracted by its
reported sweet taste that I have confirmed by accident. The lethal dose
of borates is smaller than of glycol, but the bitter taste makes
accidental consumption less likely."
Here are some safety facts on the subject for those interested:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts96.html
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/e5125.htm
Personally, I'd rather work with ethylene glycol than epoxy any day of
the week.
> Dave Carnell has been promoting anti-freeze for many uses. I respect
> his opinion on many boat building issues, but as a health
> professional, I think he is way off base on this. As most of you
> know, anti-freeze is water soluble, highly toxic, and has a sweet
> taste. A very dangerous combination for animals and children, it
> kills many pets every year. I suspect there are also some other
> reasons that it is not promoted or used as a medical treatment or as
> a wood preservative.
Very true about animals and anti-freeze. I lost a dog to (most likely)
ethylene glycol poisoning. We never knew the source. It wasn't mine
and she had no access to the world outside the fence except on a leash.
She withered for about 2 weeks before we realized, 'hey, Maggie's lost
weight and doesn't seem to feel good'. We tried the usual stuff to help
her feel better, but about 2 days later she was much worse. Testing
showed renal failure. Most unpleasant having to mercy kill a member of
the family at age 2. If I spill even drops of it, I flush with copius
amounts of water proportional to the size of the spill. It doesn't
especially evaporate at normal temperatures and so lingers for a long
time. Flushing doesn't remove it, but at least dilutes it.
Will Samson wrote:
ethylene glycol poisoning. We never knew the source. It wasn't mine
and she had no access to the world outside the fence except on a leash.
She withered for about 2 weeks before we realized, 'hey, Maggie's lost
weight and doesn't seem to feel good'. We tried the usual stuff to help
her feel better, but about 2 days later she was much worse. Testing
showed renal failure. Most unpleasant having to mercy kill a member of
the family at age 2. If I spill even drops of it, I flush with copius
amounts of water proportional to the size of the spill. It doesn't
especially evaporate at normal temperatures and so lingers for a long
time. Flushing doesn't remove it, but at least dilutes it.
Will Samson wrote:
>>>I am not aware of any wood preservative that is not toxic whether
>>>
>>>
>water soluble or not.>>
>
>True - but the danger with ethylene glycol (anti-freeze) is that it is quite palatable. Some of you may remember the scandal a few years back when an Austrian wine producer was using the stuff to make his wine taste nicer!
>
>A very good friend of mine lost a cherished pet cat when it lapped some out of a puddle where a careless neighbour had spilt it when topping up his car's coolant. A slow, unpleasant death, too, I believe.
>
>Most preservatives taste awful so there's less danger of accidental poisoning.
>
>I seem to remember Karl Jagels discussing its use in WoodenBoat mag 5 or more years ago.
>
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Potassium permananate will stop rot, fungus and almost anything else
including termites, wood worms and people if they eat wood. It turns
the wood purple or there abouts and will bleed through paint over time.
So it has to be bleached with ocsolic Acid (spelling?). You wont be
able to see it but it's still there. Put it on yourself and it will cure
athelets foot, jock itch, dandruff and jungle rot. It's been used by
armies the world over until recently. It's great stuff but mess with it
over time and cancer will be the result. It is put in drinking water
believe it or not in some places to keep the towns toilets and sinks
from turning rust colored if there is a lot of iron in the water. Most
things that kill rot kill people too.
Doug
Will Samson wrote:
including termites, wood worms and people if they eat wood. It turns
the wood purple or there abouts and will bleed through paint over time.
So it has to be bleached with ocsolic Acid (spelling?). You wont be
able to see it but it's still there. Put it on yourself and it will cure
athelets foot, jock itch, dandruff and jungle rot. It's been used by
armies the world over until recently. It's great stuff but mess with it
over time and cancer will be the result. It is put in drinking water
believe it or not in some places to keep the towns toilets and sinks
from turning rust colored if there is a lot of iron in the water. Most
things that kill rot kill people too.
Doug
Will Samson wrote:
> >>I am not aware of any wood preservative that is not toxic whether
> water soluble or not.>>
>
> True - but the danger with ethylene glycol (anti-freeze) is that it
> is quite palatable. Some of you may remember the scandal a few years
> back when an Austrian wine producer was using the stuff to make his
> wine taste nicer!
>
> A very good friend of mine lost a cherished pet cat when it lapped
> some out of a puddle where a careless neighbour had spilt it when
> topping up his car's coolant. A slow, unpleasant death, too, I believe.
>
> Most preservatives taste awful so there's less danger of accidental
> poisoning.
>
> I seem to remember Karl Jagels discussing its use in WoodenBoat mag 5
> or more years ago.
>
> Bill
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I suspect that all wood preservatives are toxic, but not all of them
are equally dangerous. Two key considerations in evaluating
pesticides are the warning properties and the relative toxicity of
that material to the targeted versus non-targeted species. I think
ethylene glycol scores badly on both counts.
In any case, I think we would agree that selection of proper wood,
good workmanship, painting, and maintenance are the best approach.
Rob
are equally dangerous. Two key considerations in evaluating
pesticides are the warning properties and the relative toxicity of
that material to the targeted versus non-targeted species. I think
ethylene glycol scores badly on both counts.
In any case, I think we would agree that selection of proper wood,
good workmanship, painting, and maintenance are the best approach.
Rob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Nels" <arvent@h...> wrote:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Dave Carnell has been promoting anti-freeze for many uses. I
> respect
> > his opinion on many boat building issues, but as a health
> > professional, I think he is way off base on this. As most of you
> > know, anti-freeze is water soluble, highly toxic, and has a sweet
> > taste. A very dangerous combination for animals and children, it
> > kills many pets every year. I suspect there are also some other
> > reasons that it is not promoted or used as a medical treatment or
as
> > a wood preservative.
> >
> I am not aware of any wood preservative that is not toxic whether
> water soluble or not.
>
> They are basically pesticides are they not?
>
> The best protection for wood is to coat it with the most
> environmentally friendly paint or other sealing method one can find
> and afford. Or choose a wood that is naturally rot-resistant. Even
> some woods, a person must be careful of. Enhaling cedar sanding
dust,
> for example.
>
> Nels
>
>>I am not aware of any wood preservative that is not toxic whetherwater soluble or not.>>
True - but the danger with ethylene glycol (anti-freeze) is that it is quite palatable. Some of you may remember the scandal a few years back when an Austrian wine producer was using the stuff to make his wine taste nicer!
A very good friend of mine lost a cherished pet cat when it lapped some out of a puddle where a careless neighbour had spilt it when topping up his car's coolant. A slow, unpleasant death, too, I believe.
Most preservatives taste awful so there's less danger of accidental poisoning.
I seem to remember Karl Jagels discussing its use in WoodenBoat mag 5 or more years ago.
Bill
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@y...>
wrote:
water soluble or not.
They are basically pesticides are they not?
The best protection for wood is to coat it with the most
environmentally friendly paint or other sealing method one can find
and afford. Or choose a wood that is naturally rot-resistant. Even
some woods, a person must be careful of. Enhaling cedar sanding dust,
for example.
Nels
wrote:
>respect
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
>
> Dave Carnell has been promoting anti-freeze for many uses. I
> his opinion on many boat building issues, but as a healthI am not aware of any wood preservative that is not toxic whether
> professional, I think he is way off base on this. As most of you
> know, anti-freeze is water soluble, highly toxic, and has a sweet
> taste. A very dangerous combination for animals and children, it
> kills many pets every year. I suspect there are also some other
> reasons that it is not promoted or used as a medical treatment or as
> a wood preservative.
>
water soluble or not.
They are basically pesticides are they not?
The best protection for wood is to coat it with the most
environmentally friendly paint or other sealing method one can find
and afford. Or choose a wood that is naturally rot-resistant. Even
some woods, a person must be careful of. Enhaling cedar sanding dust,
for example.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
Dave Carnell has been promoting anti-freeze for many uses. I respect
his opinion on many boat building issues, but as a health
professional, I think he is way off base on this. As most of you
know, anti-freeze is water soluble, highly toxic, and has a sweet
taste. A very dangerous combination for animals and children, it
kills many pets every year. I suspect there are also some other
reasons that it is not promoted or used as a medical treatment or as
a wood preservative.
(Not effective?)
It may or not prevent rot, but since it is water soluble I expect it
would wash out of any exposed areas over time. I don't remember the
exact date, but about two years ago Woodenboat ran one or two
articles on the subject of wood treatments for rot prevention. You
might find some reference to that on their forum.
Rob M
>
> You can read Dave's chemotherapy for rot at
>
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> HJ
>
> RKAMILS@a... wrote:
>
> >I seem to recall reading something about using antifreeze for rot
proofing,
> >but I can't remember if it was an article in MAIB by Dave Carnell,
or somewhere
> >else by Dave Gerr. Wherever, whoever, he claimed this was not only
the
> >perfect rotproofing, but also took care of the toenail fungus most
of us older guys
> >have:) Anyone??
> >Bob
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See Dave carnell's website....anti rot info there :
http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/davecarnell/
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RKAMILS@...wrote:
> I seem to recall reading something about using antifreeze for rot
> proofing,
> but I can't remember if it was an article in MAIB by Dave Carnell, or
> somewhere
> else by Dave Gerr. Wherever, whoever, he claimed this was not only the
> perfect rotproofing, but also took care of the toenail fungus most of
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You can read Dave's chemotherapy for rot at
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HJ
RKAMILS@...wrote:
>I seem to recall reading something about using antifreeze for rot proofing,
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>else by Dave Gerr. Wherever, whoever, he claimed this was not only the
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I seem to recall reading something about using antifreeze for rot proofing,
but I can't remember if it was an article in MAIB by Dave Carnell, or somewhere
else by Dave Gerr. Wherever, whoever, he claimed this was not only the
perfect rotproofing, but also took care of the toenail fungus most of us older guys
have:) Anyone??
Bob
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
but I can't remember if it was an article in MAIB by Dave Carnell, or somewhere
else by Dave Gerr. Wherever, whoever, he claimed this was not only the
perfect rotproofing, but also took care of the toenail fungus most of us older guys
have:) Anyone??
Bob
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I have put dry borate powder into the sealed
compartments of my Topaz, on the theory that if there
are seeps into the comparment the borate will go into
solution and prevent rot. After I did this I
read--someplace--that borate solution can soften
epoxy. Since I can't get to these sections, I have no
idea what they look like after several years, but all
the joints appear tight and strong. Sam
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compartments of my Topaz, on the theory that if there
are seeps into the comparment the borate will go into
solution and prevent rot. After I did this I
read--someplace--that borate solution can soften
epoxy. Since I can't get to these sections, I have no
idea what they look like after several years, but all
the joints appear tight and strong. Sam
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> The newer ACQ formulation is less toxic than CCA but__________________________________
> it is also more
> brittle. Epoxy doesn't stick to either one very
> well, mostly due to
> the salt crystalization on the surface. You can
> overcome this on
> dimensional lumber by curing it and then planing the
> surfaces. Not an
> option with plywood.
>
> If you are looking for secondary rot protection you
> might consider
> treating possible moisture entry points with copper
> napthenate prior
> to epoxy encapsulation.
>
> A relatively nontoxic alternative to ACQ is borate
> pressure treatment.
> Unfortunately, the borate will leach out if the wood
> saturates.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
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The newer ACQ formulation is less toxic than CCA but it is also more
brittle. Epoxy doesn't stick to either one very well, mostly due to
the salt crystalization on the surface. You can overcome this on
dimensional lumber by curing it and then planing the surfaces. Not an
option with plywood.
If you are looking for secondary rot protection you might consider
treating possible moisture entry points with copper napthenate prior
to epoxy encapsulation.
A relatively nontoxic alternative to ACQ is borate pressure treatment.
Unfortunately, the borate will leach out if the wood saturates.
Doug
brittle. Epoxy doesn't stick to either one very well, mostly due to
the salt crystalization on the surface. You can overcome this on
dimensional lumber by curing it and then planing the surfaces. Not an
option with plywood.
If you are looking for secondary rot protection you might consider
treating possible moisture entry points with copper napthenate prior
to epoxy encapsulation.
A relatively nontoxic alternative to ACQ is borate pressure treatment.
Unfortunately, the borate will leach out if the wood saturates.
Doug
> Anyone have any thoughts on green pressure treated plywood?It might be useful in certain rot prone areas, and/or perhaps
the shoe, or bottom, etc..
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@p...> wrote:
>proofing,
> I have used it in house construction where I needed the rot
> but I would not use it for boatbuilding, Bad chemicals, lots ofvoids.
>stackof bed springs. Awful warpage. Terrible stuff all the way around.
> HJ
>
>In additon the what is said above a bunk of that stuff is like a
I have used it in house construction where I needed the rot proofing,
but I would not use it for boatbuilding, Bad chemicals, lots of voids.
HJ
Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
but I would not use it for boatbuilding, Bad chemicals, lots of voids.
HJ
Jon & Wanda(Tink) wrote:
>A lot of talk about it on Shantyboats and with the chemicals used and[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>the fact it is often not dried all the way through getting epoxy or
>glass to hold up long term is something even the makers don't want to
>touch. Enough for me not to want to look at.
>
>Jon
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ch_bunch" <ch_bunch@y...> wrote:
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>>Anyone have any thoughts on green pressure treated plywood? I'd
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>never
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>
>>noticed it before at the local lumberyard. But they had several big
>>stacks of it. It looked rough, like B/C or something and came in 3/8
>>and 1/2 inch, I think. Maybe 3/4. The sign said something like
>>exterior for direct contact with the ground. Not sure what kind of
>>wood it was. "Plywood green is people!" (anyone get that joke?
>>anyone... no?)
>>
>>Carl
>>
>>
>>
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anyone... no?)
Carl
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A lot of talk about it on Shantyboats and with the chemicals used and
the fact it is often not dried all the way through getting epoxy or
glass to hold up long term is something even the makers don't want to
touch. Enough for me not to want to look at.
Jon
the fact it is often not dried all the way through getting epoxy or
glass to hold up long term is something even the makers don't want to
touch. Enough for me not to want to look at.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ch_bunch" <ch_bunch@y...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on green pressure treated plywood? I'd
never
> noticed it before at the local lumberyard. But they had several big
> stacks of it. It looked rough, like B/C or something and came in 3/8
> and 1/2 inch, I think. Maybe 3/4. The sign said something like
> exterior for direct contact with the ground. Not sure what kind of
> wood it was. "Plywood green is people!" (anyone get that joke?
> anyone... no?)
>
> Carl
>
Anyone have any thoughts on green pressure treated plywood? I'd never
noticed it before at the local lumberyard. But they had several big
stacks of it. It looked rough, like B/C or something and came in 3/8
and 1/2 inch, I think. Maybe 3/4. The sign said something like
exterior for direct contact with the ground. Not sure what kind of
wood it was. "Plywood green is people!" (anyone get that joke?
anyone... no?)
Carl
noticed it before at the local lumberyard. But they had several big
stacks of it. It looked rough, like B/C or something and came in 3/8
and 1/2 inch, I think. Maybe 3/4. The sign said something like
exterior for direct contact with the ground. Not sure what kind of
wood it was. "Plywood green is people!" (anyone get that joke?
anyone... no?)
Carl